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Best Answer Pn'N says
AMEN thank you brother
Rod Martin Jr says
But I caution this, as it tends to put cart before horse. The newcomer should read and learn and not wait for the Holy Spirit, for somehow one has to be receptive to the Holy Spirit. We must not say "only" for that limits God.
eric, not so - if the original apostles, taught by Jesus, were to wait on the Holy Spirit why not us? And if the conversion is proper they will have been baptized , water & Spirit,right away and understand. God said HS necessary for understandin
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not true , preaching is to bring the lost to Christ, then they are responsible to study themselves and the Holy Spirit will show them truth. Very few preachers these days lead people to Jesus, most lead them to their "church".
So then all the letters to the Churches (People that were already born again) that the apostles wrote weren't to give them better understanding and revelation of God and His ways?
absolutely, thats what we study the bible , to understand. not what men say but what the scriptures say. We have the holy Spirit who will teach us all truth, no man does that. . the modern "church" preaching at the people, is not NT church
The Bible still says that "Preaching is for the perfecting of the saints...for the edifying of the body of Christ:" that's why God gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; Eph. 4:11-12
actually i am not against preaching or teaching, just against people being sucked into the modern "church" system and preached at instead of have church like NT where all participate. 1 Cor 14
I agree but just because some twist the rule to fit their thinking don't mean we should shun the rule.
And my last line got cut off last post, it was supposed to say preaching is to bring folks to Christ but it is also to keep folks in Christ.
actually we are pretty much in agreement. I have seen too much preaching condemnation that I just prefer teaching , which is really what Paul and the others did, they taught and always toward redemption. no condemnation except with troublemakers
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