Can a normal human rightfully claim that their interpretation of the Bible is the only correct one?
Can this notion of "I am right and you are wrong" really exist in a healthy Christian? I am beginning to think that it cannot. It is becoming a little obvious that those who proclaim their truth to be true for all others are just a little unbalanced. What do you think?
It's not a matter of what any one person says or thinks. The solution is to allow Scripture to speak for itself. It's not a shallow study and it can only truly begin by faith in dependance on God. A help comes from the body of work that has stood the test of time done by people who have earnestly studied His Word and allowed their work to be evaluated by peers–iron sharpening iron, so to speak. Rightly dividing the Word of truth requires diligence, as we are told in 2 Timothy.
You're RIGHT RT! Everyone wants to "talk," but no one wants to READ His WORD! Without READING, they have no "iron to sharpen iron" yet continue to elaborate & voice "their opinion!" Are they really that "ignorant" to listen to pastors?
While all are not what they should be, many pastors are faithful to the Word, Heb. 5:14. Humble, kind, and patient, these exemplify His strong but gentle compassion in the way they reach out to others with God's Word, 1 Tim. 2:1-6, 2 Tim. 2:25-26.
"I would not have you "ignorant" brethren..." (I Thess 4:13)! Sounds like "meekness?" He's talking to Believers! JESUS tore up Temple on unbelievers! Angers me Bible is there for ALL but too LAZY to READ! Just keep "foolishly" talking voicing "their
@Norine Williams wrote :"(I Thess 4:13)!....He's talking to Believers! JESUS....Angers me Bible is there for ALL but too LAZY to READ!" First verse says this is from Paul, Silas, and Timothy, not He/Jesus. Speaking of being too lazy to read....
How can scripture speak for it self, literally or in metaphor? This is where confusion may come among opinionated interpretations. The one who possesses God's Spirit comes the pureness of his soul, God's spirit is revealed in truth.
Due diligence is always with d help of d HS, without Him we cannot think right, with love n light. Without Him darkness may rule the mind, the comes corruption. Unless healed by d light (word) and cleansed by d blood of d Lamb, no truth is in Him.
When WORD is given "truth" is in me! I say Gal 1:6-9 "any other gospel"="ACCURSED!" I didn't say IT GOD did! GOD said Paul "vessel" (Acts 9:15) "put laws in heart & mind" (Jer 31:33) Spoke thru Paul & told us what to do for SALVATION! Diff=
example the mail carriers, we are similar.We deliver, its not our job to open your mail or to read it. Thats your job.We do not follow mail carriers just because they deliver. carriers do not expect any one to follow them. Your mail is your buisness
When GOD tells u to open ltr, u BETTER open!Rm10:14-15 "How then shall they call on him n whom they have not blv'd? & how shall they blv in him of whom they have not heard? & how shall they hear w/o a preacher? & how shall they preach exc
Eric I'd agree with you on this, but I can already hear the 'howls of protest' you're going to get. I think that there are some things that are 'irrefutable'' and do not change like the redeeming work of Jesus and the work of the Holy Spirit in our lives (the fact he does) but some things are deliberately left open and as I'm writing this I wonder if he didn't do that to see if we could handle his new command 'to love one another' what do you think?
Are you all so "ignorant" of His WORD? Love "ignorance?" Did JESUS? The Bible has been written for ALL but u guys act like nothing's in IT! Have you READ? All say "love," but don't know what that is (Jn 21:15-17)! U don't love JESUS r u would READ
Norine I've read the Bible thru at least once a year for 30 years! I think I know what it says! Have you? (And I mean even the hard parts of the OT!). You may think you have the monopoly on truth but remember Jesus prayer in John 17 please
Grt Law! Then u no Jesus came, sent Holy Spirit to HELP, anointed Paul to talk for Him, & we now "Worship n Spirit" under New Covenant! With that being said, if u WAITED ur "revelation" should be SAME as mine (ONE SPIRIT) & "love" is automa
As I said. Some things are unchanging like Christ's work on Calvary and his Deity etc. Some things he leaves for us to work out like do we want the gifts of the Spirit (for me , yes please) not all Christians accept them. That's what I mean.
Did u accept Law? If so, we should have THAT SAME SPIRIT! Again, since u've read, did Christ not die, sent HS, anointed Paul to talk thru him (vessel), & we NOW live under New Covenant? If so, we should have THAT SAME SPIRIT w/no mistakes, RIGH
I agree. But with some things left for us to choose or work out (Proverbs 25 verse 2 and Deut 29 verse 29). Classic is how many gifts are there? some say 9 others teach from other lists in the Bible there are 27!
No Law! When "we choose" or "work out" the Holy Spirit allows one to do so and "we" mess up "thinking we can do it better!" Belief becomes "twisted" & not as Holy Spirit (JESUS) says! "Cast your cares on Him! Results "accurate!" Not "ur" interpr
Glory of God or glory of Kings? I know which I want! but I can still show what Jesus wants (love and understanding) to those choosing the glory of Kings! God loves us, that's why he wants us to think things through and come to our own conclusions
Law: HE doesn't want us to "think things out" or HE wouldn't have told us to "Lean not to our OWN understanding" (Proverbs 3:5)! Eric: That's the man's name Law short for Lawrence! No rm to spell out entire name! TOO MUCH "CARNAL" V "SPIRITUAL"
Norine I can see where you're coming from but that's with regard to salvation!. That's why I put the two other scriptures in, that there are things for us to figure out, that's also why Jesus used parables.
Law: Prov 25:2 "kings" King of the Jews (JESUS) sent HS to HELP (Jn 14:26;16:13).Deut 29:29 "revelation belong to us" via HS! Rm 8:1-14. "Not by works" ("figure out"), lest any man should boast" (Eph 2:9)! The HOLY SPIRIT does it ALL! No mistakes!
Amen, the fullness of the law of God is to love in truth, God and of others, even to love your enemies. Believing in Jesus in 'true faith' comes love for the poor and the astray, that more may be saved believing n sharing what is true in d gospel.
As an unbeliever, I have a better chance of using my life in a way that gives benefit, joy and satisfaction to others as well as my self. Since there is no consciousness for me after death, now must be the time for full consciousness.
Jon: You said it "myself!" Pleasing "self" is ungodly! Rm 8:8 "So then they that are in the flesh cannot please GOD." What say thee? Eric: If "IN CHRIST" u r "contained in a vessel" (Spirit)! Remove "your thinking" & rely on WORD!
Obedience 2 God s pureness in one's heart, in God's law of Love, and to love in truth. I can see man's pride, they can't boast I Jesus, but of 'self,' it's insecurity 2 b governed by their stomach n death - I still pray 4 hope in light that heals
Ed: I pray you are delivered fm the "Catholic Faith!" The Book of Hebrews condemns their doctrine! I Cor 1:13 condemns their belief in Trinity by asking "IS CHRIST DIVIDED?" II Tim 2:15 asks you to "STUDY" for yourself, yet you follow "Catholics
The truth lies in r Spirit, Norine, never in our heart, soul or mind. Saint Peter a d apostles best understood ol these as Christ's dis'ples. Their love 4 Jesus saw their very imperfection w/in their souls. Humbled, they repented, b/blood cleansed
Eric: Yes, we are to be of the SAME MIND "if" IN CHRIST JESUS! The Holy Spirit will not tell one something diff fm another! He is ONE Spirit w/SAME MIND (I Cor 1:10Phil 2:5)! READ! Law: Not True! Heb 13:5 "I will never leave you are forsake you!
Eric, if you would READ vs "talking," you would see, GOD is a ONE MINDED SPIRIT! IF He's in you, you have the SAME MIND (Phil 2:5)! He didn't say "let this mind be in Norine & another in Eric!" READ sometime!
Jon: YOU still letting that "thing" (demon) control u? Grow up! Take YOUR LIFE back! YOU should display control, not him! Or do u like being about "your father's" business (Jn 8:44)? It appears u do since u "stalk" me everywhere I go!
Peace, Norine. I don't manage to get a trip to the theater these days, I live too far out of town. But following yourself is as good as, if not better than, going to see a comedy show. It's just a matter of finding out where you perform.
That's because you don't care what's in WORD and just pick out all the "love" Scriptures! If GOD only "loves," why is there a hell or lake of fire? To keep you warm with all of that "love?" Jon: (Satan) Not worth response!
Again Eric/KC, Matthew 5:8 tells us how d Holy Spirit may reveal Himself 2 us through Christ. No malice, no pride, nothing evil or accursed may corrupt our minds, for in God's Kingdom comes d everlasting light, nothing accursed may enter- pure n holy
Ed: Follow the "Chain of Events" in Scripture which shows we CURRENTLY live under New Covenant & should "OBSERVE" disciples (Matt 28:20) for SALVATION! Otherwise, Gal 1:6-9 applies "ACCURSED!" "STUDY" (II Tim 2:15) asking Holy Spirit for "rev
Norine, as we pray for one another, see the Spirit of love in ur heart, events that happen r history, made meaningless ov time. See d signs fr God in r Sp of truth, fr images in d heavens we c window of r sp, in rev n 'divine logic' we best know
Ed: "events that happen r history?" Not in JESUS! HS "reveals" understanding in HIS WORD-SAME MIND/W/SAME TRUTH! "Catholic Faith" errs! NEW COVENANT in effect! Sent HS (POWER;Acts 1:8) to HELP us become ONE MIND following disciples (Matt 28:20)!
Amen KC God bless ur ways to d lighted path, where truth in the covenant of God is in d blood of Christ, it cleanses d soul n may reveal in u the truth in God's words with Christ in you. 'Thy will be done thy Kingdom come on earth as is is in heaven'
Ed: The "Holy Spirit" would NOT tell you to "IGNORE" HIS WORD (Hebrews)! Then why do you think you're "IN CHRIST" & DENY HIS WORD? We have to BELIEVE "ALL" not just "cherry pick" for FALSE DOCTRINE! I Cor 10:20;11:20!
I think I know what or who you mean and smile, Bro. What took you so long to find out? Ha ha.
They can claim so, yes and many do, even from other Faiths and branches within Christianity too. We all live in different Apartments and it is up to them to tell us what is in their houses. We know what is in ours, or each one knows. They do not have to be the same.
One day I may lend you a vacuum cleaner, and another day you may lend me your grass-cutter. Problem is that some are stuck in narrowness; self-sufficiency; separativity; boxes....God has never been found in Isolation; division; narrow confines.
Still, I will let them grow in their own way. Sometimes, I see you seemingly battling it out with some people, and I know that you will never convince them. Better to practice 'silent Love.' We are servants, not converts. Again there is always the risk that we may assist in creating the very thing that we set out to avoid. Conflict or separation.
So give them their space. But yes, I know what you mean. So many of us use the intellect! We forget the purity and innocence of the child; we read the beatitudes and yet fail too interpret its beauty; universality and fragrance, like a garden of beautiful flowers. We have forgotten how to smell the roses. Much Love, my dear Brother.
Yes. Without prudence they will drain our energy; take us down to their own levels. Again, they are God's children, not ours. We should do our duty, yes, but surrendering the results to a Higher Authority. Much Love.
Either you guys don't believe GOD (Bible) or think there are diff highways to get to HIM when He's said ONE LORD, ONE faith, ONE Baptism (Eph 4:4-6)! and you will "be "ACCURSED" if u preach any other gospel" (Gal 1:6-9)! Bible is God's WORD so...
He sure does "Wisdom of the world!" He uses "intellect," knows what "his," don't have to serve SAME GOD, don't think GOD is "confining," isolated," or divides!" Don't know WORD (or use) just pitiful man made "love!" Yup! He's "brilliant" 2 man!
Silent love is not what God may want us to do, for He has given us the breathe of life to seek God's Kingdom and His righteousness to save us from sin and evil. Spreading what is true in the gospel makes us one with Him in the light of truth.
silent love is NOT OF GOD. it is a product of the minds of unstable men. you say you "love" everyone but you do not love enough t give scriptural correction. if you do not have enough love to follow scripture you are not of God.
Amen. 8 Beatitudes lead us to God's heavenly Kingdom Manatita44, it can be experienced revealed by God to you, as He may allow, for He knows what is in your heart. But silent love is passive love, blessed are we n family 2 spread d gospel of truth.
Sin of omission is doing wat good u are supposed to do but did not care 2 do, similar to James 4:17, it's spreading d light of truth manatita44, n ol who may need 2 seek guidance fr d HS, for d perfection of r love in Christ - 2 love in Truth no fear
No carrier is saying You better open that letter. That is not the carriers business. That message in a letter is yours to accept or decline . people mix this up. we have already done the delivery. Its up to you what you do with the message.
How r we to "make disciples" r "teach" w/o giving WORD? Is 8:20 "..if they speak not according to this word, it's because there's no light n them." WORD judges-not "me!" Some ppl never read Bible! MOST ppl "taught" TWISTED! Yes, it's up to you!
Eric - This is such a good question. There are so many interpretations of the Bible. What makes it difficult is that the original languages of the Bible are very complex--especially Greek. The Greek language can say in one word what it takes us a complete sentence or paragraph to state. As a result errors have crept in because rephrasing has been done on "the last version" rather than the original. Do you remember what Xerox copies were like before everything was digitized? If you made a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy....pretty soon you had an image that was no longer recognizable.
I feel blessed that I have a Pastor who can read and write Greek, Hebrew, and Latin. He can look at the original word and explain it to us.
As for the "I'm right, you're wrong" sentiment--it needs to be done with patience and in love, not one-upman's ship.
Linda, some times you redirect me. What a pleasant connection we have. I have some insight to goodness that I did not know. I really like that. I think in a very positive way you have in a sense corrected me. How nice that is to have a friend.
Human Intelligence is not key to the right interpretation of the bible, humility and obedience to God, to His laws and words, comes our oneness with God, in the love for one another as we bear to carry our own cross in rejection of our 'true faith.'
I am a little worried people go overboard here. God created my intelligence Should I not use it? Arms, legs and a brain. Is man hateful to God? I think man is delightful to God -- don't make me cite scripture, you know I can.
Eric: Why do u thk u r more intelligent than GOD? "Unless u become as lil children" (Ignorant) & allow Holy Spirit, u r "prideful" & GOD HATES! Yes, man is "hateful" (sinful) to GOD! Give Scripture where GOD said use "YOUR brain?" U don't
Alan n Eric many intelligent people lost n got defeated by those humbled by d Lord, d Spirit of d Lord was d humbled. Intelligence n talents r gifts fr D Lord, humbly use them to boast of D Lord not of 'self' or pride, d idolatry of d soul. Blessings
RT said it perfectly! What ONLY matters is what Scripture (GOD) says not man!
The problem is "their interpretation!" REVELATION of Scripture should be received by the Holy Spirit Who gives "complete" understanding. It's plain to see you have not STUDIED Scriptures given you or you wouldn't say "their truth!" I give you Scripture Eric and apparently you throw them in the trash!
When Scriptures are given (IF you are truly seeking salvation), you should READ and ask the Holy Spirit to"guide" you into ALL truth" (John 14:26) as the Bereans did (Acts 17:11)! See, I've given two Scriptures but will you READ? Then you say it's "my interpretation" when GOD has spoken in Scriptures given!
Do you know what a "healthy Christian" is? One that can PROVE belief with Scripture! I do that but apparently you throw in trash! II Timothy 3:16 says "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is PROFITABLE for DOCTRINE, for REPROOF, for CORRECTION, for INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS." Have I not provided Scripture? Have you only thrown in trash? If so, that's why you feel it's "my interpretation" versus what GOD has actually said! If I give Scripture, how can it be wrong or "my truth" unless GOD is wrong and not true? Why would you say something like that? Because you're too "lazy" to STUDY you blame the messenger!
Then because Man has "created his own god," he runs to your defense! II Kings 17:29-41 still applies to you Man! There are not different gods that will lead one to THE GOD and II Kings confirms this! If IT IS WRITTEN, whether you like it or not, the ALMIGHTY "I AM" has spoken and there's no way you can get around IT! Keep worshiping the god of your nation and see if the ALMIGHTY approves!
Eric, you know the unbelievers said something similar to your statement on the Day of Pentecost ("just a little unbalanced.") when the disciples were filled with the Holy Ghost! Acts 2:13 "Others MOCKING said, These men are full of new wine."
"What do I think?" You "mock" the Word of God and apparently throw It in trash when given "PROVING" what HE has said!
You say: "Angers me Bible is there for ALL but too LAZY to READ!" The Bible reads: "Do not have companionship with anyone given in to anger" Proverbs - The Faithful should simply stay away from You. You spread poison with your anger.
Guess they should have "stayed away from" JESUS too when He tore up the Temple! "Be ye angry, but do not sin" (Eph 4:26)! Do you thk "sinful" to say we should READ GOD'S WORD? You've "given place to the devil!" Get real?
Haha, see how You pick and chose? You obviously did not like the quote I provided from the Bible (but it is there in the Bible, I did not make it up) so, You just ignore it and keep spewing your venom. Good job!
Happy: Did you READ the Scripture n Proverbs "GIVEN IN TO anger?" I've NEVER "GIVEN IN TO anger" The sun NEVER goes down on "ignorance" in my life! I pray for "ignorance" feeling sorry (compassion) for ALL! Again, angers me there BUT no 1 READS!
"Angers me Bible is there for ALL but too LAZY to READ!" - Those are your words. "Angers me" means something makes You angry LOL Look what You are doing, You're twisting this in a discussion about Linguistics. You run away from your own words...
Your name does not suit u (mr happy)! JESUS displayed "anger" righteous "anger" so did I! NOT READING WORD & angry bcuz they don't is righteous anger! U're a demon if perceived otherwise! I'm STILL angry no one READS & u allow demon overt
Beware, Mr. Happy. You are about to be told Happiness is of the Devil ! Norine is on a personal crusade and she's got God's commission in her hand. Trouble is, she got to write the message. All in fun.
Where is faith in the scriptures if one believes differently from the others? The scriptures may still differ in interpretation by the natural person, who only lives by his stomach, but 1 who lives in d Spirit of God boast of Jesus in him.
If anointed by HS there no "interpretation" for HE "leads & guides!" "U will know them by their fruit" or w/ONE ACCORD! If Christ dwells in u, there is no diff for HE will not tell 1 one thg & another another thg! I Cor 12 HE is the SAME SP
If u fail to c d essence of unity of faith in d Holy Eucharist u need enlightenment from d light of truth, Norine n ol Prot. Be saved by 'true faith' n live in Christ's light, c d truth in ALL His words, not one or 2, but ALL n be healed - truth n Sp
Hello Eric. I mean this next respectfully and not facetiously. Within circles of the mental health world there is an old joke. It goes like this . . . normal is only a setting on the washer and dryer. All washers normally become unbalanced at some time. :-) So, said with humor consider this is written during the rinse cycle. So, it may jump about a bit and be unbalanced :-)
IMHO said respectfully the answer is no. Why? Well . . . that means it would be universal. Next, thank you for the interesting long journey of discovery. That said here are some interesting notations and facts for wrong interpretations. First we each interpret the life experience individually and then collectively.
For some that is inclusive of knowledge of the Bible and experience with it. Sometimes sharing personal interpretations for others is enlightening and other times are provocative. So, collectively there is probability of disagreements, even though agreement of collective principles may ensue. So, let’s peek at the probability of disagreement.
Fact #1 – Change is inevitable, thus a personal interpretation may in fact change nullifying a previous one Fact #2 – Simply reading the Bible is interpreting it since it is based on one’s prior knowledge and experience. That said there are guidelines offered that can be discovered at Bible.org (Lesson #6) Fact #3 – There are over 100 English translations or interpretations. Here is a link to a site for those [http:] tyndalearchive [dot] com/scriptures/index [dot] htm Fact #4 – There are as of March 2002 per the Statistical Summary provided by UBS World Report 2,287 languages a portion or entirety of the bible has been translated. Thus, each is an interpretation. There are over 6,500 spoken languages today. Any who have knowledge or experience with the Bible with no translation heard it second hand (An interpretation) and then interpreted it.
That for me is mind blowing. Taking a step back a moment regard life experiences being interpreted which may or may not include knowledge/experience of/with the Bible some facts are:
Fact #1 – The past total world population up to 1950 is 14,707 million Fact #2 – World population today is over 7 Billion
What a "crock!" Nothing biblical! GOD is of ONE MIND! Why do you think you see "WITH ONE ACCORD" so often in Scripture? PROBLEM: No Holy Spirit "guidance" & is why MOST can't get on "ONE ACCORD" with JESUS (aka Holy Spirit)!! READ!
Your Welcome Eric. It was revealing to me. I feel fortunate to have had the opportunity to read it when pondering how many never did. They did not have opportunity of interpretation [period], so how can they be wrong?
II Pet 1:20-21 "...no prophecy of the scripture is of PRIVATE INTERPRETATION. For the prophecy came not in old time BY THE WILL OF MAN: but holy men of God as spake as they were MOVED BY THE HOLY GHOST." You "ignorant fool!" Have not STUDIED!
Funny, really... I bet that if you sat down at the meal table with some present company, you would hardly get through "Grace" without a remonstration. But a little humour would carry the day (mealtime) I suspect.
Follow disciples ("OBSERVE" Matt 28:20) & Paul "AFTER ASCENSION" who was "a vessel" for JESUS (Acts 9:15) & who JESUS spoke through according to Jer & Heb "put HIS Laws in their hearts & minds" & you've got IT (I Cor 11:1)!
God gave us talents to serve Him n mankind, as gifts fr God, so is everything in this life. But d realities of life is w/n human knowledge, frm d 'word' comes 'divine wisdom' best understood by 'divine logic,' fr were man/evil may corrupt. Blessings
Either u can't READ or u don't care (Blasphemy)! READ the Book of Hebrews (Communion; 1 Cor 11:20) & tell me you're NOT Blaspheming! Worshiping Mary (Exd 20:3)? Can't u READ (Is 42:8)? You will DIE re: "TRADITIONS" in FALSE DOCTRINE!
Tim Interpretations n versions of d bible came fr 1825, fr original bible (NAB) 2 Prot interp. Let d light of truth in d HS guide us ol, in 'true faith' w d blood of Christ in us, as we eat Christ's flesh n drink His bld more revelations fr HS comes.
The only way TRUE WORSHIPERS eat of HIM is through HIS WORD for HE SAID "I am the Bread & drink" & the WORD is GOD (Jesus): So EAT! This we should do until HIS return! ALL SPIRITUAL! No more "rituals/sacrifices" (Heb)! CHRIST HAS DONE IT ALL
The plain answer is No. Why do I say this? Because from the Bible we have a clear split between the Greek-Orthodox and the Catholic followers. We celebrate Easter on different dates, as a quick example. I just celebrated Easter two weeks ago (1st of May), while the Catholics celebrated Easter over a month ago I think. Am I wrong, or are the Catholics wrong? That's the wrong question to ask in my opinion. Who cares, or why care? As long as we are kind-loving people, who respect each other, I see no problem in how we interpret every little detail in the Bible.
Col 2:16 "Let no man judge u in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath day." However, this has nothing to do w/SALVATION but "ordinances" (v20)! However for SALVATION "READ" Galatians 1:6-9 "ACCURSED!"
The Universal (Catholic in Greek) faith comes d true vine of faith, from where Protestantism w born.Pride in man over wealth n greed came about, but, things happen because they need 2 happen, as God's Div P, but condemnation is at d end, God judges.
Norine, you are free to judge your self and your actions. But you are NOT free to judge me or anyone else, by you book or any other criterion. Because to judge you need to possess ALL the facts. And you are ignorant of many facts.
Personal interpretation of the scriptures is what gets folk in trouble and leads them into spiritual error. Remember Jim Jones.... The Word has definite and clear guidelines to follow and definite things that we are to believe...Jesus is Lord!!!!
"Personal Interp" is sin (Prov 3:5)!HOLY SPIRIT "reveals" (Gal 1:12)! Follow JESUS in "chronological order" for TRUTH! Born, Promised HS, DIED, asked us 2 "OBSERVE" disciples (Matt 28:20) & 2 "WAIT" for HS, sent HS,Spoke thru Paul (Acts 9:15) GR
Eric, allow me a scriptural answer to your question:
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.
The Bible claims it is given by God to communicate truth. Thus, when biblical statements are definitive, Christians must accept those statements as authoritative. An example:
John 3:18 He who believes in Him [Jesus] is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
That is totally clear and definitive, and, along with other passages that amplify and clarify it, not subject to substantial interpretive variations. My observation is that on such core issues, Bible believers don’t have large differences of interpretation. The difference is in whether a person accepts biblical teaching as authoritative.
So, on issues where the Bible speaks definitively, Christians can and should say their beliefs are “right” because they are based not on their interpretation [see 2 Peter 1:20], but on clear statements intended by God to communicate His mind on the issue.
On the other hand, the Bible not only permits but encourages some differences of belief:
Romans 14:4-5 Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls… 5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.
All of Romans 14 is devoted to the idea that Christians can legitimately differ in belief about some things. And when that happens, none of us has the right to judge the other.
For example, I am convinced that baptism should be by immersion. My Methodist brethren believe a sprinkle or two does the job. But since the Bible never says, “thou shalt baptize only by immersion," it’s ok to differ.
To sum up, on issues where biblical teaching is clear-cut and definitive, Christians should be confident that beliefs that adhere to that biblical teaching are indeed “right,” and any that contradict that teaching are “wrong.” As I said before, among those who actually accept the Bible as the word of God, there is remarkably little disagreement on such core issues.
But on issues that God left open to interpretation, we each have the privilege and the responsibility to have our own convictions, and must respect the right of other believers to do the same.
Do you believe the first CHURCH was established on Day of Pentecost & our example? Do u blv Acts 1:4; WAIT; Acts 2:38;42 or if not Gal 1:6-9 applies? Therefore, Col 2:16 speaks of "Ordinances" (v20) vs "Salvation!" Baptism: Col 2:12 "Buried!"
"God left open to interpretation" What did GOD leave "open to interpretation?" Did He not say "Lean not to YOUR OWN understanding" (Prov 3:5)? II Pet 1:3 says "ALL THINGS that pertain unto life & godliness" are in Scripture! Why so many "TWIST
Well, if u "love it," U hate the WORD of GOD! Did I not just give Scripture that "WE" are not "open to interpretation" of the WORD? Can u now see why there are so many diff beliefs? Each have "their own" interp rather than HS "revelation!"
Hi Ron, I agree with Eric that your answer is well thought out. We never should "add to" or "take away from" the Bible, as God tells us on the last page of the Bible when the answer is right there in black and white.
Ronald, You make the mistake of using material to back your case which is itself the subject of the matter under discussion. You cannot answer "How do you know the Bible speaks the truth?" by saying "because the Bible says it is".
Titus 1:15, "To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted." The corrupted soul finds folly from his human intelligence - 2 live in flesh
there are NO issues left to interpretation that have eternal consequences. all the thing you mentioned have NO bearing on your eternal destiny. but REAL Christianity has NO PLACE FOR DIVISION, 1 Cor 1:10
John Welford, the question is whether a Christian can be justified in thinking their interpretation of the Bible is "right." That the Christian believes the Bible is inherent in the question. Otherwise, what difference does it make?
Ron: Why do u thk u can "interpret" Scripture? New Cov is a Spiritual Cov in which the Holy Spirit does EVERYTHING (Jn 14:26 "ALL TRUTH")! Why do u thk your "thoughts" r "higher than GOD'S?" Holy Spirit "reveals" "Man" not needed! Tells ea same!
Norine, to "interpret" simply means to explain what the text means or how it applies. Your comments in this thread are filled with your interpretations of certain verses. The Bible never says all Christians must see things as you do. Rom 14 says not.
Ron: What does "WITH ONE ACCORD" mean to you? I don't "interpret" Holy Spirit "reveals!" Rm 14 speaks of "carnal" thgs? Did u hear v17 & 20? I Cor 12 speaks of ONE SPIRIT Who "leads & guides" (Jn 14:26)! No 1 "with one accord," haven't "wa
If "you think" or "interpret," you "overtake" the job of the Holy Spirit Who is JESUS. Do you "think" you can do better? Why does Scripture say "You must become as a little child?" Why does IT say "Lean not to "your own" understanding?" Man v GOD?
There is proof though, that the bible has been edited by corrupt bishops and popes of history, and has since been too edited to be an exact word of god. How can we still that it is the definitve word of god, yet accept the fact that man has edited it
When you have not forgiven, then you have not humbled yourself b4 D Lord. You live in sin and the Spirit in not in you Ron. Jesus came for the sinner not the rightouse, surrender pride, which is the idolatry of the soul, cleanse it w Holy Eucharist.
What in the devil is the "Holy Eucharist?" Does it supersede the blood of Christ? What man-made doctrine is this? The "Catholic Faith?" Hog wash! Did you read the Book of Hebrews? If so, why all these "rituals?"
Jon: And so does SATAN! He has "legions" of "demonic spirits" to "impregnant " one! CELAFOE: DID u "HEAR?" Paul is the "MOSES" of the New Covenant and brought the "MESSAGE" of "GRACE" Which IS the "GOSPEL OF CHRIST!" STUDY to SHEW THYSELF APPR'D
Romans addresses the true converts to Christanity Ron, from Jesus to Peter and the apostles, all baptized in truth by d Holy Trinity. Those who can enlighten in d 'word' are those in d 'vine of true faith' nourished by d Father - sanctified by blood.
GOD operates in "GLORIES" not a "Trinity!" You "limit" GOD as 3! The "Catholic Faith" KILLS! I Corinthians Chapter 12 says "ONE SPIRIT" not 3! I Corinthians 1:13 asks "IS CHRIST DIVIDED?" Why does the "Catholic Faith" (or any other)DIVIDE?"
Where is Scripture? Have you read the Book of Hebrews? No more "rituals & sacrifices!" Have you read I Cor 11:17-34? JESUS is "The Bread" & "Drink!" We "Commune" w/HIM when doing Jn 4:23-24! This is "Spiritual" v man "carnal!"
Norine Can I suggest you actually check out what people believe before accusing! Catholics believe Jesus is actually and physically there at the Eucharist! To them it's not ritual but real! It's us Protestants that say he isn't!
Did u hear what u said? THEY BELIEVE? Who cares what man believes! If not in WORD - It's a "LIE!" That's why there r so many diff denominations who've been influenced by "The Catholic Faith's" beliefs & Satan's laughing! No 1CORR-just go alon
Mrs. Williams, you again twist and manipulate words and sentances to fit your own concocted beliefs. You are no more a follower of "Christ-like principles," than any domineering dictator. Fraudulant nonsense.
Covenant of God is d blood of D Lamb, shed for d forgiveness of sins, if we love God eat of His body n drink of His blood, to 'remain in Him,' John 6:56-58 Comes Gods covenant to true believers of His words. The apostles were one in bdy n Spr w Chris
Jon: YOU prove my point (SATAN)! If one doesn't know Gal 1:6-9 NOT "IN CHRIST" & will say ANYTHING like you! Ed: If one doesn't "preach the Gospel of Christ" which is "AFTER THE CROSS" (Acts) not "IN CHRIST" & "ACCURSED" (Gal 1:6-9)!
Am here 2 enlighten not judge. if believing in Jesus is completion of 3 elements of faith(Sp of God,water,blood) what is the argument if we do not remain in d 'word?' Jesus wants us to unite with d 3, so we may have everlasting life; Covenant - Blood
Protestants may believe in Scriptures, but d RCC n 'universal' church of God adds 'true faith' 2 satisfy d promise of d Covenant of God, justified by faith in Christ Jesus (as in Gal 3:22) that's why Jesus comes 2 fulfill d law, not 2 abolish
Ron E. Franklin, let us agree it is wrong to kill, especially women and children. Why then did Joshua kill the women and children? I do not question God, but people who kill in the name of God. The Old Testament depicts God as a killer. Why?
Do you believe there's a heaven? If so, you probably believe there's a hell w/ eternal torture! Does that sound like a GOD who doesn't KILL? We better be glad HE DIED for us & left the gift of "GRACE" so HE doesn't KILL "ALL!" Poor Hubbers!
GOD'S WORD is "humorous?" Don't let your mouth write a check that your a** can't cash! (Norine speaking)! Ps 139:22!Eric I tell TRUTH (life or death)! You have wisdom 2 know not 2 anger GOD (Prov 9:10) but don’t STUDY for generations in your family!
Norine, I think it would be advisable for you to take a step back and ask God to heal you. Then maybe you could evaluate your dreams and visions and the voices you hear more effectively. Pretty much you have to be sane in order to understand.
I want u to "research" Scripture & write HUB of how many x's JESUS did "INSANE" thgs according to "man!" "Cast the 1st stone" (Insane); "Turn the other cheek" (Insane); "Heal on Sabbath" (Insane); and others! Do that for a "sermon" PLEASE!
Except that all of those words were written by people playing God. Inspiration or not, anyone can say God selected them to deliver the message thus elevating that person to a higher status. So none of it can be verified.
Ron, Norine, Eric, Law n all Protestants, I pray that u heed the Scriptures with 'true faith,' as true coverts to the vine, d RCC, blessed by Jesus and nourished by God w d Holy Eucharist; D HS tells u that ur faith is of d flesh not of d Spirit/God.
ET and Norine, you two show exactly why I wrote this question. You both claim to know the truth through the word of God yet you disagree. The only ways that makes sense is you are both crazy or both right. HS speaks to us in different ways is the oth
Ron, Eric, Norine, Law, n ol Prot. Be not deceived by false prophets saying they're Christians but corrupting d words of God fr d bible creating many interpret. Romans 6 tells us of sanctification n holiness, message 2 new converts. Romans 14 now Chr
Eric: I can give Scripture for my belief. Ask? Then ask ET why Holy Eucharist which defies Heb 7,8, 9, why Trinity, why sprinkling, why baptism in Titles vs Name? Why can't he give Scriptures? If not, u know who's LYING!
GOD operates the same way HE did as w/Paul! Have u heard of Judah's Daughter on HP? Why does she "see" what I "see?" Ask urself that! Bcuz BELIEVERS r on 1 accord! "Politically correct" religious indiv & those "ego tripping" can't "see!"
Norine says, "I don't "interpret" Holy Spirit "reveals!"" If 10 are given same rev from God, there will be 10 interpretations. Each will consider his own to be right, as Norine does in all these matters. Revelation vs Interpretation? No difference.
The Holy Spirit does NOT reveal ANYTHING to those of false churches which is WHY those of false churches DO NOT UNDERSTAND God word. The Holy Spirit does NOT reveal ANYTHING to those clergies of false churches which is WHY they are FALSE CHURCHES.
"Revelation" "...searches all thgs, yea the DEEP THINGS OF GOD" (I Cor 2:10) while "Interpretation" looks @ "the ltr" (II Cor3:6) as they do Father & Son! JESUS spoke in "parables," (Matt13:10-13) to distinguish who didn't do as Acts 1:4 "WAIT!
Chris Mills- I suggest you STUDY on the "entire" subject of the Holy Spirit before you continue to stick you foot in your mouth. This should apply to you too Eric. Because it's evident you don't have a clue with regards to the Holy Spirit.
Eric- Jesus was a WITNESS and provided "evidence" of TRUTH. John 6:63 (NKJV) ........... THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK TO YOU ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE.. There IS spiritual "EVIDENCE" Isn't Jesus a WITNESS of the TRUTH. " EVIDENCE"
It is OK K&C I suppose we are like the friends in the upper room when Jesus appeared. Some disciples believed as a matter of course. You are doubting Thomas that needed proof/evidence. We are like the disciples, different.
Eric, they were "WITH ONE ACCORD" in Acts concerning the "Gospel of Christ!" Yes diff bodies, but SAME (SPIRITUAL) MIND! We're on diff levels of "revelations" but ALL headed to the TRUTH in the "Gospel of Christ!" Prevention of rev "think" v WORD!
Jesus is the truth not a witness thereof. Faith is a believer's evidence. Hebrews 11:1. Faith is a gift from God therefore because I have faith I have evidence that God is. When we seek for truth with the hope of finding it we will receive faith.
Bible 1Co 13:2 And if I have the gift of prophesying and am acquainted with all the sacred secrets and all knowledge, and if I have all the faith so as to transplant mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. Judas had faith in who Jesus was
Well, don't tell your child "THE FIRE IS HOT" because he wants to touch & continue to display your kind of love which is to keep "peace" to get alone & defy WORD in Lev 19:17 "REBUKE ur neighbor & don't let him sin" which shows REAL LOVE!
G.O you need to back track. Recollect follow your memory again .you will find no statment by me . you have mixed me up with another's comment. I never tell people who to follow. Thats not my job. Maybe you should pay more attention !
Chris: Why I disagree w/K&T "Not my job to tell anyone who to follow!" K&T: Not a Disciple of Christ? Why go "door to door?" What JW'S telling? Ever heard of "teach all nations?" "Teach" what? To follow "Miller?"
Norine example if a boss hires you to do something who is responsible in getting it done.its you or your job to carry out instructions.we carry a message but not ours. its Jehovah and Jesus instructions we also must follow them. Not a human message
If boss gives me written instructions, I have authority to use! U don't represent boss very well if u don't enforce what he's said! When using WORD, I represent GOD (BOSS), not "me!" Why go "door to door" if not? Who do u rep "Miller?"
Norine I already delivered. The carrier owes you know explanation of written info delivered to you. If you have a complaint take it up with Jehovah or Jesus its their message even before our birth. So you argue with them.
Norine again take up with Jesus and Jehovah. You have a complaint of what Jesus did and how he said do it . Then thats between you and him. I have no argument with you. So we will not continue this conversation. You will on your own.
Your "MO"=RUN! I have "taken IT up w/JESUS who is Jehovah!" Your "MO" displays "unrighteousness!" Ever heard "TEACH ALL NATIONS?" Ever heard "REBUKE ur brother & don't allow him to suffer sin?" EVER heard "Feed my sheep?" Doesn't fit your "MO!
I rest my case on Norine. I kind of take the whole battle scene with the pharisees and Jesus as a mark. An idea. "I say that you must think this or you are condemned". Written word to some is a key to freedom, to others the lock.
Norine you missed something as a child in His word. It is in His enveloping love that we are saved not in a language that man communicates with man. The heart is the language with which our God speaks to those who listen.
Who told u that LIE? Your Sunday school teacher? GOD spoke thru Prophets & Paul & he said "ACCURSED" if you don't preach the Gospel of Christ! Now what does not preaching the gospel of Christ have to do w/"your" analogy (love saves)?
To answer this question, please allow me to deviate from the topic for a paragraph.
A number of years ago, I did a few bible studies with Jehovah's Witnesses. An argument developed between us about where the soul goes when we die. I argued that the soul goes to heaven or hell, but it is not asleep in the grave. They asked me for biblical proof. I searched the various versions of the bibles in the house, and could not find any substantial scripture to back-up my belief. I went into the garage, and there was a GOOD NEWS bible (Today's English version) on the book shelf. I opened the bible, and ta-da in the book of 2 Edras chapter 25 there was a subtitle "the soul after death". As, I child I was told to stay away from the Maccabee bible. However, to back my interpretation of the scriptures, I had no choice but to use this bible.
So, to answer the question - Can a normal human rightfully claim that their interpretation of the Bible is the only correct one? I do not think so. However - Will any normal human claim that their interpretation of the Bible is the incorrect one? I do not think so either. Any normal human will interpret the bible to support a belief. Thus, to classify those who proclaim their truth to be true for all others, as a little unbalanced, could not be right.
Can the notion of "I am right and you are wrong" exist in a healthy Christian? The bible tells of many prophets who predicted coming events, who were regarded as unbalanced in their day. Thus the notion can exist in a healthy Christian.
Dear heart, when 1 "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) for the Holy Spirit to "reveal" Scripture, he CAN"T BE WRONG for Holy Spirit is JESUS Who does NOT LIE (Numbers 23:19)! Read I Thessalonians 4:13-18 to see where we go when we die!
For the corrupt, the asleep in the grave will never arise for their souls remain corrupted, it is their soul that may suffer, but the truth remains in the spirit of man, man may be redeemed if he repents and change to being godly in his ways.
Amen, Norine/AP, to those who are in d true vine of faith, even though we die, we live, for we remain in Christ's words. All those in d vine pray for one another for they love n bear with 1 another, lifting each other up for we have loved in truth.
But we MUST BE "IN CHRIST" doing as HE said (Matt 28:20) "OBSERVE" the apostles under New Covenant. Follow Paul or Gal 1:6-9 "ACCURSED!" Moses Messenger of Old Cov (Laws); Paul Messenger New Cov (Grace)! Follow "Chain of Events" in WORD or "ACCURSE
Two reasons Norine that I delete you. You drive people away and you call people names. Neither one is appreciated on my writings. Sorry but I have not drank of your offered kool aid. I do not think you speak for God and I believe you are delusional.
See how u responded to Q re: Religion v Spiritual & were in agreement w/others w/spirits NOT OF GOD? U continue! I don't "delete" your "twisted" delusional beliefs but "PROVE" wrong w/WORD! Aren't u man enough in Christ to do the same?
2 Pet 2:21-22 ""For it had been better for them not to have known the way...,than, after they have known it, to turn fm the holy commandment delv' unto them..."The dog is turned to his own vomit again:& the sow that washed to the wallowing in mir
See? GOD'S WORD is "boring" to you! Why you are LOST! You don't care what HE SAID! "FOOL!" Know tell me one that doesn't believe isn't a "FOOL?" Heb 3:19 "So they could not enter in because of "unbelief!"
You need Help! A psychiatrist won't help you! I majored in Psychology & can recognize all signs & u r one of "unbelief!" "So they could not enter because of "unbelief!" You better stop worrying about me & start STUDYING Scripture!
Sorry Jonny but you are asking the wrong person responsible for your problems Man has failed again and you blame him and tell him to fix the error of humans. The sun , the moon the stars are faithful ! They are working now lol!
Norine I stand corrected I thought you would never ask. Thank you! First in understanding any word you must reconize its letters an how and when used I will post you a hub to your question and why it makes a diffence give me a few days .I in school.
ys this realy exist.when u study history,from the begining of this world there are basically two kinds of people one who are on the right side path and the other on the wrong u can say that one who fallow the rules and other who have criminal mind.a man who is a thief and a man who is a pious man both of them cant be on the right path one of them must be wrong.same is the case with the belief we have about different religions of the world.i think that from all the religions of the world only one is the true religion and all others are wrong
Is we based our judgement and interpretation of the bible on history, we are lost. For history is but changing and becomes imperfect over time. But the 'word' remains perfect as Jesus is as perfect as God can be perfect and true, in His love for us
Yes Nor/A/Na. The Catholic Faith is d true faith n d true vine of faith leading to God's heavenly Kingdom. Being imperfect in the flesh comes our cleansing in Purgatory (Eucharist/Faith) in this life or d next, for God's love n mercy is everlasting.
We can say someone is wrong if you want to. It's called debate. What is taboo is saying someone has to believe in one's own belief system otherwise it's a "sin" or they'll burn in hell. JC had the very least patience for self righteous religious hypocrisy. Doing what is right for us is close to righteousness but telling others they have to do what we do is self righteous.
No1 has to believe anything but WORD! If given,&1 truly seeks "salvation," it's their job to "work out their own salvation" (Phil 2:12) by "Studying"(2 Tim 2:15) to "see if so"(Acts 17:11) & hopefully they've "Waited" (Acts1:4)for "revelation
Debate is among those who may believe of greater intelligence than the other because of pride in him. Opinions may come and go but who is your master, is it Mammon, the false master, who deceives and lies, or Jesus, who is the truth in this life?
Ozi Truth in this life is Christ, in His words n His light we are set free from darkness. By His blood we may feel how He ransomed us fr sin, by His bld we nd 2 partake n eat if His flesh, n b saved forever as we live by His grace- 'true faith' heals
Ed: JESUS SAID "I am the bread!" "If you drink of ME u will NEVER thirst" so It's ALL SPIRITUAL under New Cov. U "DO" as they "DID" under Old Cov "rituals & sacrifices!" Do u blv n New Cov? Gal 4 says we can't live under BOTH!Offend 1 guilty of A
This is tough to answer the way it's been asked, but I'll try. There is only one correct "interpretation" to scripture - the first apostles would not have told us "well, you can interpret this verse to mean A or B, and yes, sometimes even C". They would have told us exactly what that scripture means. Having said this, Christianity is in a place where it is as you suggest, that there are various interpretations among Christians. This has come about over centuries of spiritual conflict, during which Satan has expended all of his energy to get us here. While the very basic tenants of Christian faith remain intact and are mostly agreed to within Christianity, the rest of scripture is fought over, and this isn't what God intended. This division prevents most of us from understanding and following the harder teachings of Christ, leaving a vast sea of Christians in a lukewarm condition. There's prophecy in scripture that tells us this condition won't last - that God will act to clear out the rubbish so that the entire Gospel of the coming Kingdom is again revealed, and so allow His people, in cooperation with the Holy Spirit, to reach a place where our salvation is no longer at risk.
"They would've told us exactly what scripture means." Jesus didn't! Matt 13:10-13 "Those who do not have Holy Spirit cannot understand." Why HE asked us to "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) for "HELP" (Jn 14:26;16:13); otherwise, "interpretation" v "revelation!"
Norine, yes we need the Holy Spirit to understand; the HS most often works thru those who've been prepared. You've seen my other comments on this subject-you understand what I'm saying - the HS has few to work through right now, but that will change
RELIGION (Satan) has "detoured" MOST from TRUTH! "Taught" Paul just a man & DID NOT follow "Chain of Events" in Scripture never "WAITING" for HELP. Therefore, "lukewarm condition." BUT God is gathering "HIS ARMY!" If u have "ears," - "Hear!"
And so we come to this torment of the common man. Most of us poor slobs just do not get to work for years of labor understanding the nature of the HS. We are insane with the lack of connection with the HS?
In John 4:8, "The person who doesn't love does not know God, because God is love." If one cannot forgive, how can God forgive you, as in Matthews 6:15. Why divide from the 'cornerstone' rejected by d builders, are you rejecting Christ as you build?
Eric: Yes, "poor slobs" w/o Holy Spirit! IT IS WRITTEN! Acts 1:4 commanded us to "WAIT!" Otherwise, u "interpret" & miss "Chain of Events" REVEALED by HS! Ed: If u don't follow Paul, u r "ACCURSED" (Gal 1:6-9)! I didn't write IT!
Norine n those following d Protestant bibles need 2 know that what the gospel writers, dedicated scribes so divinely inspired by d HS r meant 2 guide d Christians w/In d true vine of faith, d Catholic Church as blessed by Jesus over St Peter (pope1)
Oz: Do u live "AFTER THE DAY OF PENTECOST?" Have u been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38)! Then GOD says you are "under the law!" It's x u "STUDY" (II Tim 2:15) Scripture vs listening to "teachings" & going by "tradition!"
Oz: You are SATAN (Jn 8:44) himself! "Jesus Hoax?" No wonder you believe GOD is "love" only! I doubt if you even believe there's a GOD! If u don't blv Gal 1:6-9 you're doomed or "ACCURSED!" Keep feeding nonsense & now I see why!
Norine, either you have "lost the plot," or you are deliberately baiting everyone here in HubPages, simply to satisfy your sense of entertainment. Which is it? Because you are obviously here fraudulently.
Norine, Should I delete your comment when you call someone Satan? I think I probably should, please give me a logical explanation why I should not rebuke you and delete all your comments. No scripture just reason.
Jon" "Lost the plot?" Did OZ not say stop "hatred" & I've ONLY given WORD? We r discussing "interpretation of WORD" rt? Satan! Eric: If WORD calls Satan (which is ALL I have), then "delete" GOD'S WORD then HE (& we) will no who u serve (I Cor
So if someone deletes the great Norine's words -- then they are serving the devil? How about if we just delete them because they are written so poorly that they distort understanding. The way you preach the word is obnoxious. Not the Word - just you.
You call GOD'S WORD "norine's word?" HE sees you degrading HIS WORD bcuz I ONLY give HIS WORD! Who am I but a vessel? "The way u preach the word (GOD) is obnoxious. Not the Word - just you" I GIVE SCRIPTURE defy NOT GOD! READ I Cor 11:6-31!
Norine and all who may believe they are Chritians, but came our from d vine of 'true faith,' (1 JN 5:8) nourished by God, this is a message from d HS, am just God's instrument, can only boast of The Lord. "Remain in me.. eat of my flesh n live"
You can thk "OF GOD," but if u disobey HIS commands, NOT! Yes, "Eat of my flesh" which is HIS WORD not Holy Eucharist some man made wine and bread ("literally")! Did HE not say HE (WORD) was the bread & drink?
The “I’m right and you are wrong” notion is in everything from religion, politics and even pop-culture. There is something fundamental about the need to believe his or her own reality (faith, politics, and etc.) is the correct one. There is only right and wrong so for me to be right then you have to be wrong. So since my bible is right then yours can’t be.
The real problem is when people try and force their views on others. Most Christian communities (my Methodists included) believe in the concept of evangelizing. Too many the different branches of Christianity are different faiths (think Sunnis and Shia). The branches don’t necessarily get along (my great aunt called Catholics the cult of Mary). My bible is the word of God and yours with a slightly different interpretation (or translation) is heresy.
One MUST "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) for SAME "revelation" from SAME ONE MINDED SPIRIT (Holy Spirit) to be "WITH ONE ACCORD!" Otherwise, 1K+ denominations with different "interpretations" v "revelation" from Holy Spirit!
Anyone who possesses the Spirit of God has seen God's Kingdom in his heart of love. In Matthew 5:8, "Blessed are d pure in heart for they shall see God." All d 8 beatitudes lead 2 God's Kingdom for d Spirit of God makes one understand - light&t
Let me tell ALL what WORD says! Rm 12:3 "...according as GOD hath DEALTH to every man the MEASURE OF FAITH. Now, when WORD is given, inc FAITH, by STUDYING! I "plant seed" but ONLY GOD can GIVE INCREASE (I Cor 3:6)! He who has "ears" let him "hear"
Norine, d word of God r forever active n alive, the Holy Spirit tells me, u cannot c d truth w ur mind, for d mind is of flesh, will perish when we die, but 'true faith' is in 1 John 5:6, true message fr d Sp of God is r cleansing fr Ch body n bld
Michael to blaspheme the HS is to include Hus vessels of truth, what is true in our spirit. In 'true faith' may God's grace save you by d true words from d light dat will aquit condemnation from ur mouth. Evil is condemned by d HS, be saved b d blood
What u see as "Evil" (Is 5:20) is GOD'S WORD & bcuz of ur "traditions" can't "accept!" Let go of "traditions" & "pride" & "accept" HIS WORD! READ "HEBREWS!" CHRIST HAS DONE IT ALL!!! "Catholic Faith" KILLS!
I have witnessed many interpretations of the Bible. Some so far fetched they are impossible to believe. I feel that the Bible is a personal tool. It can help you out in troubled time and inspire you when you least expect it.
The interpretation is is correct for you personally when you need it most.
Matt 16:17 "No one has "REVEALED" this to you but the Father" (Holy Spirit)! Man's "interpretations" have created 1K+ diff denominations! It's not a "personal thing," but a ONE MINDED SPIRIT Thing according to WORD! Satan has deceived!
I wish you would READ Scriptures I give! I REPEAT enough as it is! I Cor 12 is not talking about "love" but THE ONE SPIRIT of CHRIST'S (v12) BODY Who has MANY members ("GLORIES")! Have you ever heard "WITH ONE ACCORD?" Goggle it! Out of room!
Norine all scripture everywhere is talking about the love. Otherwise you are reading it wrong. Matthew 22: 40 "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.” Christ could not be more clear.
Eric: The 1st One "Love the Lord thy God with...." Did He not ask Peter "If u love me, feed my sheep?" Well, where's your "love" for Him? Where's WORD to "feed His sheep?" You've missed that 1! 2nd: "Love thy neighbor as thyself" Lev 19:17! Miss 2
Jn 1:1 "In the beginning the WORD was with GOD & the WORD "WAS GOD!" What are u, SATAN? If the WORD is GOD & u don't wish to KNOW IT, or "love" HIM, U ARE SATAN! I Cor 10:21 says "U can't serve 2 masters!" So, who do u serve but SATAN! REPE
NAB leads 2 d vine of true faith. Others may remain corrupted w changed words to adhere to corruption of man in MAMMON, the false God. Eg, 'holiness' from Romans 6:19 and Romans 6:22 is 'sanctified' in NAB, in d blood of Christ-cleansing-Eucharist
Ed: YOU LIE on "THE HOLY SPIRIT" (aka Jesus) if you say HE mentions Holy Eucharist in WORD! READ Hebrews! HE'S done it ALL! No more "rituals" & "sacrifices!" Exd 20:3 "Worshiping Mary?" YOU BLASPHEME against "THE HOLY SPIRIT!"
Norine Be truthful 2 your spirit of love within ur heart, Mary has d Spirit of Wisdom, as in Proverbs 9:1-6, if d Spirit of God is in you, He will make u understand, pray to be guided, surrender your pride n ol things material, be set free in d light
You are "SICK" in your "traditions" of "rituals" & "sacrifices" (Heb 9:14) which are NOTHING but "dead works!" Christ DIED in vain (Gal 2:21) as far as the "Catholic Faith" is concerned! Why don't u READ Hebrews or are you "AFRAID OF TRUTH?"
Eric, you have made some excellent comments and responses in this particular thread. I especially liked, "Aimless looking for answers in the written word instead of the heart." Jesus would approve, in my opinion.
Norine, all of what is written here is opinion. You call yours revelation from God, but it is merely your opinion on which you place far too high a value. Some of us argue with you solely because we refuse to surrender the HP forums to such as you.
They didn't & still don't "surrender" to JESUS either! Why does HE tell me thgs I haven't read n Bible then "guide" me to Scripture? I've been telling ALL Paul was n JESUS' stead; & this wk found Acts 1:2! Explain! No one "taught!" I just
Norine, you aren't the only one who prays, reads the Bible and has insights as a result. I'm glad it works for you. But you consider yourself to be the judge of the rightness or wrongness of another's insights. This is not godliness, it is arrogance.
That's where u're wrong! I don't judge! I tell what GOD SAID by using HIS WORD! I can "prove" w/WORD my belief! Can they? Do they give WORD? Look how long u've been talking & no WORD! GOD SAYS what I write & believe! READ my HUB re: Paul BE
Norine, Do you think there is a way for you to communicate your insights into scripture that would encourage people to listen rather than causing them not to listen? I'm sure you have important things to say, but people put up defenses to your style.
"And it shall come to pass, when thou shalt shew people all these words, & they shall say, "Wherefore hath the LORD pronounced all this great evil against us? or what is our iniquity? or what is our sin..."(Jer 16:10-20)! IDK how, Bible open here
Matthew 4:25 "there followed him great multitudes...from Galilee...from Decapolis...from Jerusalem, and from Judaea, and from beyond Jordan." I don't mean to he rude, Norine, but when Jesus spoke, the crowds came. When you speak, they run away.
We have become a nation of "itching ears" (2Tim 4:3)! Heb 4:12 says WORD "cuts!" Who loves that? We worship God but don't "humble" ourselves (2Chron 7:14)! If WORD interferes w/our desires, called "hateful!" Read 2Kgs 17:29-41;serve our own god!
Jonah 4:1-"But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry." The kindness of God toward sinful men caused the prophet to be bitter. God cured the bitter heart of Jonah who could speak only judgment.
Norine, you are Jonah. He was angry at sinful men for not repenting. When they did, he was bitter. You are angry at fellow believers who have already repented and walk with God. Are you bitter that God has not judged them according to your standard?
If one does not live under New Covenant (what JESUS died for) how do they "walk w/GOD?" I'm angry bcuz they deny JESUS speaking thru Paul under NC, deny POWER of Holy Spirit, deny "Grace" (Rm 8:1), deny ONE SPIRIT, deny Acts 2:38;42, deny Heb 7,8,9
No one denied these things. Only you see denial. Jonah had to learn a lesson at the end of chapter 4. He loved things more than he loved people. You love your finely tuned beliefs more than you care about your fellow believers. Shame on you, Norine.
FOOL! Shame on you for not believing what JESUS died for "The Gospel of Christ" (GRACE) under the New Covenant & not understanding "GOD" has Mercy on whom HE pleases!Jonah was but a "vessel" who (as u&I) can fall short if we don't accept HE'S
In 1 Corinthians 2:14, "The person without the Spirit (natural person) does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit."
Norine - I'm not going to read your handbook for indoctrination. Prove your point without a scripture quote....I dare you. You're indoctrinated and a zealot - you'll say what ever your handler tells you to.
When I was younger I thought I knew what was normal. Then I traveled to a number of foreign countries. I visited Israel, Egypt, India, Hong Kong, etc. I learned what is normal is different all over the world. It put life in perspective for me.
When I wrote this question out I was referring to normal as a person without a pronounced handicap of some sort prohibiting them from forming cognitive thought. Some are impaired. Not about different views.
"Normal" is what MAJORITY rules as "normal! Nothing "normal" to mere man when speaking of "Spiritual" things as Eric perceives "impaired!" ONLY GOD'S WORD RULES when speaking of "SPIRITUAL" (Bible) things!
Ralph I pray that u will open your heart to d Lord n humble yourself to Him n see what truth can be revealed in your heart is you begin to 'love in truth,' no malice, only d pureness of ur heart to learn fr d Holy Spirit, den c truth in God's words.
The Bible verse too many say means "do not judge" or never judge anything wrong is not a command never to say anything is right or wrong. The full verse says judge not lest ye be judged, remove the beam from your eye before you pick the speck from their eye. The correct interpretation of this is "don't punish people severely for things you're doing yourself, and never punish people severely when you're doing worse". Christians ARE called to call out right and wrong, based on the Ten Commandments. Jesus fulfilled the law, eliminating all the Kosher requirements, but he didn't nullify commandments never to commit adultery, murder, theft. And since Jesus did call out sinners to tell them to stop sinning and chased money lenders from the temple, he did indeed judge others when they were wrong and seek to correct things. He was simply more compassionate, not killing people for infractions and giving them a do-over.
Yes, Matt 7:1 says (YOU) "Judge not..." but GOD loves "judgment" (Isaiah 61:8)! We judge when not in WORD & should ONLY judge w/WORD; then not us judging but GOD! How else can u LOVE your neighbor (Lev 19:17)?
Judgement is in the word of God itself, for the word is active and alive, it remains to judge us accordingly in our ways, as in Matthew 12:37, Jesus said, "For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."
Tamara see how Saint Peter loved Jesus. He messed up and sinned but Jesus knows him, as He knows us, what is inside of us. If you love Jesus He knows. The HS searches the hearts to see the attitude of men. We can't hide anything fr d HS -Divine Plan
Ed: TRUE! BUT you MUST believe ALL of HIS WORD! Have you read the Book of Hebrews yet where there are no more "rituals & sacrifices" for Christ HAS DONE IT ALL & "ANYTHING" we DO underminds HIS DEATH? No More Communion for HE is the BREAD
tamara- you do not understand. the OT was given ONLY to the jews, no part was given to us. the NT is a brand new covenant given to whosoever will meet it requirements. NONE of the OT survives, jesus FULFILLED it ALL. ONLY UNCONVERTED JEWS ACCEPT
RICH-YOU NEED TO READ & UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY. Matt 5:18-19 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.JESUS FULFILLED IT ALL, IT IS FINISHED/DO
Mat 5:19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Charlie is RIGHT, Rich! But IT goes "deeper!" The world is blind! Paul was chosen as JESUS' "vessel" to cont for HIM or Jer 31:33;Heb8:10;10:16 LIED! "Pauline Doctrine" is what Satan has used to TWIST "TRUTH" to gain souls!
Hose 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being My priest. Since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.
rich- apparently you are not open to understanding OT vs NT. The OT law says within itself that it to the jews and that it is temporary and that Jesus will institute a new and permanent covenant to last forever. no sense in going on in this.
The bible was written in three different languages: Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. Anybody who knows translations knows that the connotations and denotations of words are difficult to translate.
To know the bible requires a knowledge of history as well as language. Matthew 19:24 says "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."
How many Christians realize that the eye of a needle was a place in ancient Israel that was an opening in the side of a wall. This is where merchants had to get their camels down and crawl through. They could only sell merchandise from the back of the camel up to the top of the opening. In English, most people think of a sewing needle. This is just one example, and there are many. Unless you commit to learning the history and languages, much of the Bible will not be known by you. To truly know the Bible takes a significant commitment. Unless you make and honor that commitment, you're just repeating words.
WRONG! "Unless you commit to learning the history and languages, much of the Bible will not be known by you." Do u really think man's intellect supersedes JESUS (Holy Spirit)? If WORD says "HE would "LEAD & GUIDE US INTO "ALL" TRUTH" that's
In 1 Corinthians 1:19, "For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."" If wickedness n filthy are we, it is d holy n righteous who may see God's Kingdom. W God all things r possible.
I hope all of you who have responded realize that you are proving my point. Knowing languages and history has nothing to do with intellect and everything to do with knowledge. Being too lazy to learn all you can says much about you.
"..with all thy getting get "understanding" (Prov 4:7)! It's too bad u don't BELIEVE JESUS (aka Holy Spirit) is GREATER than man's "getting" UNDERSTANDING! It's too bad u didn't WAIT for Holy Spirit to "reveal!" It's too bad you think you have more
Thanks Mike - the zealots only regurgitate what they're told. A book written by many men with many motives sounds more like a political handbook rather than a holy book, but that's just my opinion. History !!!
Excellently stated, Readmikenow. It is difficult to find those who are aware of the effort and challenge it takes to truly understand and translate these passages. People challenge the very methods which produced the translations they accept.
I'm sure you guys "believe" your "knowledge" is more than GOD'S (Holy Spirit) but I have a rude awakening for you. You are the creation while HE is the CREATOR! Since HE doesn't LIE & has said HE'D "lead & guide into ALL truth," who's the "f
Norine, your beliefs about God come from where? The Bible in front of you. You have a Bible in front of you because people translated it into English for you so you don't have to do it. You're welcome.
There's a DIFFERENCE in Spiritual v carnal! Until u guys mature to the "Spiritual" realm, u r as Atheist & we live in 2 diff worlds! The Holy Spirit (aka GOD) talks to 1 "personally" (crazy to u) & "reveals" ALL TRUTH! Unless u can relate
Okay, interesting comments. You can't truly understand the Bible without knowing the history or understanding the languages it was written in, you're confused. Don't just repeat words. Know their history and how they were translated. Stop being lazy.
You (creation) stop being MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE than GOD (CREATOR) as in Rm 1:21-32! Anything NOT "revealed" or "inspired" by Holy Spirit is "man" (Rm 3:4)! "Lazy" of you not to SEEK HIM who has MORE KNOWLEDGE (I Cor 1:25)!
Wm Miller, Baptist man who estab JW in 1800's & LIED! U serve "man-made" doctrine & time u "mature" into TRUTH! U've been "brain-washed" by man (SATAN)! U thk there are 2 Spirit (beings) as Trinity blvrs do 3! ONE SPIRIT (I Cor 12)! TIME U "
God's love for us all is summed up in d truth about d 'word of God,' where Jesus is d 'word,' as d 'word' made flesh. From God made incarnate in flesh.
Mankind, d foremost of all creation, comes human wisdom in d flesh, but rightly so, d truth is "man was created in the image and likeness of God," his image is d Spirit of God in him, without his spirit he may soon perish in sins from his flesh, the imperfect likeness of Jesus and the angels, in form n body, comes our imperfection, as time n space may pass, d more we may see d reality of r imperfection, for d flesh is as imperfect as time n space are.
But d spirit in us is perfect, our image in r spirit, has made possible r perfection in d flesh, as 1 body w Christ.
Darkness cannot create, only d light can create. But since we are being tested in d light, it is our faith that will see us redeemed by our imperfection as we seek what is true in this life.
In darkness we may see us stumble and may fall, but in the light, we may see our soul being perfected in the light, for truth remains in d light.
If interpretation of d Bible is made by a normal human being not possessing d light, d natural person may come corrupted in his personal interpretation, his 'opinion' as one may say.
But d truth is in d light, where d Spirit of God is, where d 'word' of God remains true, forever n eternal, for it speaks of everlasting love n eternal mercy upon those who humble themselves to d 'word' of truth - it is "active and alive," "sharper than d double-edged sword" that "penetrates d dividing soul n spirit, joints n marrow; it judges d thoughts n attitudes of d heart."
Darkness cannot hide from d light, justice n truth will seek darkness n evil, ready 2 condemn evil in man, what s untrue in d flesh.
D 1 in d light will remain victorious for in d pureness of his soul, d light will lead him to salvation, in possession of d Spirit of God, he remains in-corruptible, for he has d light by his side, n believes that d 'word' in d light will never come to pass, though passing things of heaven or earth may come 2 pass.
History tells us of imperfection in d passage of time n space, where human opinions n theories may thrive in error.
But 1 who possesses d Spirit of Truth comes d binding truth of d cross n creation, best explained by 'divine logic,' attuned 2 what s true in d 'word,' n signs fr God he may c.
Eternal truth n divine wisdom in man defines d 'word.'
MY GOD! You UNDERSTAND! We MUST "WAIT" for HELP fm d Holy Spirit to connect to D SPIRIT for CORRECT "revelation" not "opinions!" "But d spirit in us is perfect, our image in r spirit, has made possible r perfection in d flesh, as 1 body w Christ."
Amen, Norine and those who remain in Jesus, for the Kingdom of God is revealed in us by the HS. God has conquered the world through the shedding of the blood of Christ. We become one body with Him in our repentance of our sins, cleansed - blood.
Norine, d truth is in what is revealed to my by the HS. D Kingdom of God is w/in r heart of love, it's a glimpse of d new Israel, d Kingdom of God as d New Heaven d New earth. Open ur heart 2 Christ's words n feel d HS w holy ones, liv forever w Chri
Ed: YOU cont in "twisted" Catholic Faith! I live under New Covenant BELIEVING what HE DIED for "putting laws on hearts & minds" (Jer 31:33), "OBSERVING" apostles (Matt 28:20), "WAITING" for HELP (Acts 1:4), or "ACCURSED" (Gal 1:6-9)! AFTER THE C
Please allow me the opportunity to use this forum to vent my personal interpretation of two biblical scriptures:.
2 Corinthians 12:1-12 or Revelation:2:21 - 23.
I will assume that the correct interpretation of my existing unemployed situation is the 2 Corinthians scripture. I will not list visions or revelations, but things that should be humanly possible, I was shown on the tour of Marion County, Florida.
2. Disney Informational Center - a center to design the new It's a small world ride. The design of the ride will incorporate most of the subjects studied in undergraduate engineering school.
3. Silver Springs Theme and Water Park. These parks currently host country music concerts. However, I have heard it said that visiting the parks once is enough. I suggest that the off-season is used to revise the rides and shows, so every opening season represents a new theme.
4.Do Art. It was here in Ocala when I was on the tour.
5. Christian Book Store (closed)
6. Fun factory (closed)
7. Substitute Teacher calling system
8. Workforce at Central Florida College
9. West Marion Community Hospital/ Quick Care
10. Changing the mailboxes in Whispering Pine (Timberwalk) every five years
11. Marion Oaks Assembly Of God (I do not know what my daughter will be doing after high school, therefore, I would like her to do art work for Disney Tropical Theme Park/ Disney Information Center)
12. Ocala International Airport. - the current location of the airport is too small to build an international airport, therefore another location should be chosen to build the Ocala International Airport.
13. Extreme Kids, and Creative Kids
14. Deluca YMCA
15. Fast Track Staffing
16 Express Staffing
18. Forest High School / Horizon High School
19. On Top of the World - Walmart
20 On Top of the World - Publix
I am claiming my truth to be the truth, and I am not unbalanced. Thank you for allowing me to post my wishes. I need to get out of the house.
Now if you had "WAITED" you'd not be "looking for job" for Holy Spirit "leads & guides one into ALL TRUTH" for all situations! Matt 6:33 "Seek ye FIRST..& ALL thgs will be added unto u." Go ahead, "get out house,' but get CHRIST 1st!!!
God gave us talents to hone through the HS guidance. Pray, rejoice and do your best as you move forward to glorify God who gave you life and gifts, that you and you household may be blessed guided by His commandments and His words of truth.
Norine, ol protestants outside of d vine of 'true faith' remain corrupted w ol things passing, but hope is in d blood of Christ, forgiveness of sins by God's covenant in us, comes d blood of Christ to cleanse us of sins, John 6:57-58 Christ's promise
Ashae when u are preoccupied w d world, c the healing light of Christ, if u follow his teaching u can be his disciple. And d truth will set u free - John 8:31. Be freed fr worldly things, have peace n love in Christ. See light in ur talents. Live
no one has the right to " Feel" good if they are scripturally wrong. follow scripture not man means to crucify your flesh, kill the natural man and become Spiritual man and then you have no need to feel special.
Alan, do I have to check my brain at the door to be Christian? Charlie hates the "clergy hirelings" because they dictate thought to the masses, but then he turns around and tells me how to think. Is something for free more valuable?
eric & alan-- such childish false attacks from you two prove that your love cult is not of God. I have not tried to tell you what to think, just explained some scriptures correctly. but only HS filled Christians can understand
God searches the hearts through the HS. Grammar n semantics are negligible in the eyes of God for He knows who u are. The 'word' of God is forever active n alive, may God bless u all that u may see God's light in u as u open ur heart 2 d Lord.
Matthew 12:37, Jesus said, "For by your words you will be acquitted, by your words you will be condemned." For indeed, the words of God are ever active and alive. It judges every thoughts and attitude of the heart.
GREAT! I don't give "my word" BUT HIS=RIGHTEOUS! "Catholic Faith" told u not to "judge?" Google "Is It Right to Judge?" & see GOD'S WORDS! HE LOVES JUDGMENT & needs to "open the EYES of your heart" (Eph 1:18) to leave "TRADITION!"
Norine, I have 30 email alerts about you. You just cannot act like you are not frivolous -- you are. You are like a bad FB friend. Too much and Too often. Take a chill pill and actually use short sentences to say what you mean.
Eric: MUST BE talking like JESUS! They called HIM a "Blasphemer!" TRUTH doesn't want to be heard! WORD says so! That should tell u something! When doesn't want to be heard, Satan has WON! ALL should LISTEN & "STUDY" WORD for SALVATION!
norine/eric- you two are much alike, both have a single doctrine that you push. difference is the lawyer knows how to stroke the silly sheep and not upset them. instead of the full Gospel you each concentrate on a small portion. all is needed
Charlie: Give WORD or just "your opinion"=NOTHING! I give WORD! You have "itching ears" & refuse WORD (TRUTH)! Against what u & "friends" dreamed up so u "attack!" U can't chg Scripture! ONE SPIRIT "sons & DAUGHTERS will prophecy" & B
Charlie that is an interesting concept. Makes me think. I think I do get wrapped up in "‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself". But the Spirit seems to tell me that is my purpose. I appreciate yours also.
Well, you better "hope" Gal 1:6-9 LIED because IT clearly states "If ANYONE preach any other GOSPEL, let him be "ACCURSED!" 2X's! It's in WORD! U have half! Just "spin off" fm "Trinity" Father & Son when HE SAID "ONE SPIRIT" (I Cor 12)!
I have never been acquainted with someone who claimed to understand all of the Word. I just assumed they would have to be in a "heaven" concept - Angel? I understand some Clergy claim to understand all. Enlighten me Charlie.
eric- i have NEVER said I know it ALL. but I do know the scripture very well as I have devoted most of y adult life to learn with the help of the HS, taught by HS only never looked at mans doctines until I believed I had the mind of God on subject
Cool. I come another way. Religion as mother's milk. College learning and being a preacher to round out my path. Then questioning the structure. Questioning hirelings and liturgy. The only thing I find unquestionable is Matt 22
Think u found "CliffsNotes" to heaven Eric? WRONG! Lazy rascal! Matt 22:37 means "Feed my sheep if u love me" (w/WORD) in Jn 21:17! YOU FAILED! (V39) "Love neighbor as thyself!" Lev 19:17 "REBUKE brother in sin" (w/WORD)! YOU FAILED AGAIN!
What I like about u Eric, U r HONEST! Ur belief is "twisted" but you're faithful! You can't use "CliffsNotes" w/WORD! U MUST "STUDY" in chrono order to move into current dispensation! Gospels under LAW & we r no longer there! We live AFTER Acts!
eric- i think what is causing you ? with those verses is that Jesus had not died yet so they were still under the LAW at that point. bible error. NT begins after Jesus death . Mat 27:45 0r resurrection . fully in place acts 2 when HS given
Norine it's d 'word' to acquit us and 'word' that we use to condemn us, for d 'word' of God in Christ will condemn us if we refuse to believe. 2 fully underst'd scriptures, needs 2 c Christ in Him, yes, d Sp of God in Him, d HS's gift comes unders'tg
Hi Eric According to me, every time you read the bible you are able to find out different meanings of the same sentence. Your interpretation changes from time to time.
I believe bible, like any other holy book speaks to the reader and conveys him/her the information apt for him/her at that point of time. It is also believed that, as one climbs the ladder of spirituality, the holy books open up themselves and convey more information.
So, its not the point of claiming, rather it is the point of believing in the message conveyed to you.
Amen! Precisely! We GROW! Messenger conveys "revelation" given them & it's up to one to "study" to see if "new revelation" is so! The Word of God is ALIVE! Only GOD can reveal! I was "taught" Communion until Hebrews "revealed" differently!
If you have the Spirit of God, the 'word' is within ur understanding for u live in the light of truth, no matter how semantics may differ, truth in your spirit helps u discern beyond human knowledge, it is but 'divine logic' that frees u fr deception
"Semantics" will NEVER "differ" if THAT SAME SPIRIT (I Cor 12) has "revealed!" Have you heard of "WITH ONE ACCORD" in Acts? No one "differed!" That's the "Spirit of discernment" from the Holy Spirit Who has ONE MIND!
Let us say, you have two sides - the Jews and the Torah, Christ and the bible. If one lives by the Torah, and disobeys the Torah, then one will be punished by the Torah. If one accepts the bible and disobeys the bible, one is punished by the bible.
There is only 1 true God Angela, Christ is 'I am,' as the God incarnate, 1 with d Father. Now, all rule n authority is w Him, through Him comes words fr d Father. Promise 2 eternal life comes fr Christ, the truth in r spirit tells us, via d HS in us.
angle&edwinoel- before anyone jumps on it- you are both correct in what you are saying . A is telling what the supposed Christian that keeps the law can expect and ed- talking about salvation which is only thru Christ the Son of God
Christ has fulfilled the law of Moses, the Torah prepares for the Passover in the sacred blood of The Lamb that frees us from sin, the Messiah is Yeshua Hamashiach,Jesus the Lord in His resurrection comes our resurrection and oneness w Spirit f God
LAWS have been "FULFILLED!" Anyone living according to Torah Jm 2:10 "offend n 1 pt guilty of all!"GOOD LUCK! Especially when GRACE via JESUS is given! Moses Messenger of Old Covenant (LAW) & Paul Messenger of New Covenant (GRACE)! FOLLOW CHAIN
Everything that happens are all in God's divine plan, no worry for true believers, the corrupt ones may stay filthy and wicked, never understanding of d 'word,' may understand part, cannot explain in full, may do true wisdom of God's Spirit gv u Un
And is why I give WORD! God's Plan for ALL to know "Trinity" errs! I Cor 1:13 asks "IS CHRIST DIVIDED?" & "WERE YOU BAPTIZED in the NAME OF PAUL?" or as disciples were under New Covenant when FIRST CHURCH was established (Acts 2:38)?
G.O your reply does not answer my comment. Hindu believe in their own man made gods. Jehovah is not made by human hands he created us . Next the problem is not what is written the problem lies in understanding who who he grants to understand.
G.O that may be true but that has nothing to do with the truth. Example you write here on HP. Hp existed before we could start writing here as a buisness. History of the past existed but when it was released as books has nothing to do with truth
That's peculiar!! So K&T what you r projecting is, that its a bipolar world.Bible is true but Geeta or any other scripture=false i.e the other 4.5bn people are following a lie! Then how come their prayers are also answered just as ur prayers are?
GO If u cont worshiping those gods made of hand, LOST! CREATOR "rains on just & unjust" (Matt5:45) & "will not share HIS Glory" (Is 42:8)! Hindu worship(s) idols Bfore copying Bible! 2 Kgs 17:29 Where's book w/more prophecies written Bfore Bi
What remains true in our spirit that connects to the Spirit of God remains true in our being. Flesh and spirit is what we are made of, but the truth of our being is the spirit of truth, while our soul may suffer in sins, the light may save it.
Ed: NEVER forget what Christ DIED & gave us under New Covenant, "GRACE!" Eph 2:8-9! GOOD NEWS! Too Good to BELIEVE? "...while our soul may suffer in sins, the light MAY save it." "..I will remember their sin NO MORE" (Jer31:34;Heb 8:12;10:17)!
Hallelujah to The Lamb, Norine. Ephesians 2:6 'grace through FAITH,' is the emphasis. Grace fr God needs action of man in d love of God n of others (greatest commandments) through FAITH in Christ words n teaching. Boasting not of 'self' but of d LORD
the answer is an emphatic NO. a "normal" person cannot understand the scriptures. 1 Cor 2:14-16 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For "who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ. only a person, born again according to scripture and following Christ's plan can be filled with the Holy Spirit. and without the Holy Spirit's guidance even one that is born again cannot correctly understand scripture. saying you believe, going to "church, repeating a prayer after someone or saying that all we need is love have absolutely no eternal value .
it takes repentance, committment, a change of lifestyle to become the new creation we must become to be a home for The Holy Spirit who alone can guide us into all truth.
John 16:13 13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. NKJV
As one is baptized in the true vine of faith, we have already died with Christ with d Holy Spirit building our faith as we open our hearts 2 Him, that He may fill our hearts with God's love as we remain in Christ's words. Again, division is Satan's
NEW REVELATION! Listen celafoe! GOD has "revealed" Paul is the New Covenant "Moses!" Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ, the same yesterday today & forever!" I tried to email u, but computer didn't allow! I have gift of prophecy in which Scripture "reveale
Didn't HE use Moses as "a vessel" when HE gave 10 Commandments? The same w/Paul (Acts 9:15) when HE gave "The Gospel of Christ" which is GRACE! That's why HE is "the same yesterday, today & forever" (Heb 13:8)!. He who has "ears," let him "hear!"
Norine Mary is never worship in d Catholic Faith. It's evil n darkness in people who believe in this for they devide d church of 'true faith,' blessed by d blood of Christ. Mary is an elect of God to b d mother of Christ. Truth in ur spirit reveals
And so be it. Wonderful expressions of love. Everyone a little different. Each endowed. I must stop at the grocery store check out line and savor the moment. Do not call me the fool. You there-you are born of the word. Ron is best spoken. And isn't that grand but Billy Bob is poorly spoken and isn't that grand. Are those who insist on a position better than you who do not? I really want to know my neighbor. But I am so stupid that I judge her first. Yep I am just like you. Goodness is in you, let it thrive.
D true judge is d living God, in Christ's Jesus, fr His mouth comes judgement n words fr D Father who sent the Son. Man's judgement may never d trusted, if ruled by d flesh, not by d Spirit of God. For d flesh remains imperfect O/T , Spirit is Truth.
Eric this scripture is understood out of text and used wrong. Paul humbly referred to himself as a fool . He did not use the word to attack his fellow brothers. Interesting how far people will stretch Gods word to attack others.
K&T: U lie in wait like "an old vulture" (Scribes/Pharisees) trying to "trip up GOD?" R u a FOOL? I give HIS WORD & if HE SAYS "I would not have u "IGNORANT" (I Thess 4:13) & "O "FOOLISH" Galatians" (Gal3:1), who r u? Girl, u can't be
I don't think so. Humility requires everyone to admit that no one has all the answers. It is an important part of intelligence to keep your mind open and be receptive to various explanations. Consider everything.
yecall=yes look at all, keep that which is of God, discard that which is not. eric speaking up is NOT A LACK OF HUMILITY, humility is an attitude has nothing to do with whether one speaks or not. your false humility is not Christian
Eric: Who is "Lincoln" & what does what he says have to do w/GOD? U sound "ridiculous" comparing "carnal" to "Spiritual!" Humility is "giving up SELF" BELIEVING & HAVING "FAITH" in HIS WORD that u have STUDIED! Can u please do that?
yecall Humility to God in Christ encompasses ol human wisdom leading 2 sins in d flesh where corruption fr d evil one rules d soul. Christ wants us to strive to holiness n righteousness in Him. Remain in Him in 'true faith' n live in Christ - H Euch.
I think the key word in your question is "rightfully"! We all want to be "right" in our thoughts, words and deeds but many times we are not...whether we will admit it or not. Those who can never admit they could be wrong about anything need to practice tolerance for other's viewpoints.
tolerance of incorrect scriptural teachings/beliefs is TOTALLY CONTRARY TO SCRIPTURE. incorrect understanding is to be exposed and corrected. there are to be NO DIVISIONS. divisions (denominations) are of man, not God
Holy Spirit does not tell 1 one thing & 1 another! It is 1's "measure of faith" in WORD that takes 1 higher & "openness" to chg "thinking" by STUDYING WORD to "see if Message given is so" (Acts 17:11)!
And that't your problem Eric, to assume both or even one would have the HS. The HS never guides one into false doctrine or TRADITIONS. Many confuse TRADITIONS for doctrine. Many believe traditions to be doctrine.
Sandi Norine Charlie Read John 14:15-31, the Advocate (HS) will reveal to d true believes what is true in their spirit, n what was taught by Jesus. In John 6, have life w Christ flesh, Roman 6, holiness n sanctification is in blood of Christ. Blsgs
If this question was asked of another topic I think the answer would seem more obvious. If somebody took one meaning from a painting or a song, then they would seem silly for presuming that everyone else thought about it in the same way. If a scientist thought that their interpretation of a study on, for example, Global Warming was the only way they study could be perceived, they would seem naive for not looking further. Apply this question to more than a religious text and you see it is a case of being open minded and accepting of others. It can even suggest that shutting off other views or refusing to look further can be dangerous. In my personal opinion, Christian values include an openness and understanding, and I would hope this applies to their reading of the Bible also.
Intelligent, thinking, educated people know that their interpretation of the bible isn't the only correct one. They realize that there are many interpretations to the bible which are equally correct. They understand that each person interprets the bible based upon his/her knowledge & understanding of the bible.
Grace: When ppl use "their brain" they go against the Holy Spirit's job! That's why there r so many diff interpretations! The HS is ONE SPIRIT w/ONE MIND therefore HE doesn't tell 1 something & another something diff! Ppl think smarter than GOD
Grace By God's grace may u see n feel d light of Christ. Many religions have opened. Anything corrupted in Mammon stays corrupted in d flesh. B d light takes u away fr deception in darkness. May d light shine upon u n free u fr darkness. Live Tr n S
"Anything corrupted in Mammon stays corrupted in d flesh." Is that why you are "corrupted" in defying Heb because of ur "Catholic Faith?" Anything that defies HIS WORD is "corrupted!" I would say mammon has a grt deal to do with Catholic belief!
Grace, Many may interpret one verse differently, but not a free for all. Ex: S King novel. Pick 1 sentence. Ask many to interpret. Can't unless they know how it fits whole book. Bible: One general/true interpretation, many minor insights/applications
U r as (appropriate name) "MISFIT"-using "brain" not BELIEVING Holy Spirit is WISER which makes BOTH "FOOLS!" Has anyone (including u) provided? Q FROM GOD & u "MOCK?" Woe be unto u! U DON'T CARE for PRIDE has u!
Hello, Eric my friend.m The exact meaning of a normal individual is often questionable at best. The world is filled with religious beliefs that its professors would give up lives for in order to support their own chosen forms of faith. No question about it, there are many wonderful beliefs and each has a beautiful structure in its format. There are hundreds of figures from thousands of years in the past that helped construct these beliefs and their basic dogmas. As often the case interpretations of these scripture supported religions are at times interpreted in a biased way. All we may do is to say our prayers in our own way and hope the good lord forgives us of our mistakes and sinful behaviors.Thanks for the intriguing question. whonu
hmmmm- certainly NOT scriptural advice. best idea is learn the true understanding and follow scripture not man as scripture tells us to. in the true church of Jesus Christ all are of one accord with scripture and each other
Another "love nut" (lug nut) that doesn't follow Scripture! Pray your way into heaven? Since NO ONE wants to LISTEN, better READ & "try to figure out" what the Gospel of Christ is or "ACCURSED" (Gal 1:6-9)!
whono Human beliefs r of d flesh. D light of Christ brings u to 'true faith' leading 2 salvation. D blood of Christ in d H Euch cleanses our souls fr sin, it leads us 2 holiness n righteousness in Christ as u humble urself 2 D Lord - conquer Darkness
Thank's KC. You are such a pleasant person to have a discussion with. I stand by my comment. There's no gathering of Christians anyplace on this planet..in my opinion and experience..where they "all are of one accord with scripture and each other."
Because they didn't "WAIT" for "THE" Holy Spirit who has ONE MIND. Ea have their own "holy spirit" & not of GOD being deceived by Satan! RD Acts 1:2! AFTER ASCENSION Holy Spirit spoke thru apostles as I've told each HS told me. I'd never "noticed
So either Paul or Peter were not filled with the Holy Spirit when there was division. Yet the Bible tells us both were filled with the Holy Spirit. And we know that they shared different viewpoints regarding Gentiles and Hebrews. Interesting.
Eric, you are exactly right in your evaluation of Paul and Peter. Two men of God, filled with the Spirit yet disagreed on a vital point in Christian belief. yet they continued on as brothers and servants of God. Neither called the other Satan.
Eric, JESUS' doctrine is SAME but man (Peter) "blocks" receipt via tradition! Paul didn't walk under Law w/JESUS as Peter who still had Law instilled. HS revealed Truth in dream to Peter "Rise Peter slay & eat" (Acts 11)! Diff x but SAME Doctrin
Jonah, You went far out of your way to fix that to your liking. Still, there are to Spirit filled men not in one accord. By your own words, Peter was operating in the flesh. You have called such people Satan before. Was Peter a tool of Satan?
Jonah parable: God have mercy on whom HE pleases! Yes, Satan entered Peter before (Matt 16:23)! We (as Peter) battle daily but KNOWING WORD is LIFE! Holy Spirit discerns the spirit of SATAN which comes into ALL! HE "reveals" ALL TRUTH!
Jesus said that He is "the way, the truth, and the life, and that no man comes to the Father but by me".
That's a statement that says: I am right, and if you disagree, you are wrong. Two options: right or wrong. Opposites. No other options. It's an offensive statement because it dares to say that not everybody can be right.
Christians who state "There's more than one path to God except Jesus"... that's not Christianity. The God of the Bible says that He is number one - He wants us to love Him with all our being and have no other gods before Him.
So yes, a person can authentically follow Jesus and believe that their doctrine/belief is the only right one. It doesn't mean that these people are necessarily approaching others in a respectful enough way, but everyone has the right to believe in their mind and heart that their belief is the right belief.
Christianity is problematic for so many people because it tells all of humanity that we have a problem. It tells EVERYONE that we are messed up, that we have issues, that we need something/someone other than ourselves to fix our issues, issues of all humanity. Christianity says all people are broken.
As far as Christians fighting with one another, saying to one another that other Christians are wrong on certain matters: I think the global Church is at a point where people are bending things to fit their itching ears. People are saying that things are ok when the Bible spells it out that it's not. Jesus loves everyone, but if the Bible says that something's wrong, it's still wrong. Scripture is getting twisted or omitted when it's spelled out right there that the behavior isn't ok. I think it's because people just don't want to hear the truth. You can just read the Bible for yourself and think on it. Be blessed and have a great day.
AGAIN JESUS SAID "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) for HELP (Jn 14:26;16:13) fm the Holy Spirit to be w/TRUTH (JESUS aka GOD) Who has 1 Mind & IS 1 SPIRIT (I Cor 12)! Now if we "... just read the Bible for yourself and think on it"=interpretation=diff beliefs!
Pro 4:7 see 1:7 ;; in fact for all 3 see prov 1:7. I believe Its about what real wisdom is, not man;s wisdom. of course more wisdom, more knowledge and you will see disturbing things you would not have recognized true wisdom comes fm God
E: Prov 3:5 "NOT UR OWN UNDERSTANDING" Prov 4:7 "LEARN, BUT LET "HS" REVEAL="UNDERSTANDING!" Ecc 1:18 INC "WISDOM" N WORD means "I die daily!" INC in world takes belief fm GOD! I Cor 1:19 WORD makes 1 "die daily" destroys man's wisdom! Rm Limited
Amen erinshelby. Many people wants to hide from the truth, but truth, keeps our inner being happy, at peace with The Lord, for there is nothing so great than being with the Good Shepherd, He is complete with everything, as Divine Healer/Mercy n more.
Eric Proverbs 4:7 tells us of 'divine wisdom' d great'r Wisdom frm d HS, where 'divine logic' emanates, 'word' of God is; ECC 1:18 n 1 Cor 1:19 tells us of human wisdom, frm ol things passing w Brain dat perish w d flesh; but w God/HS - grt'r Wisdom
Nor: If David says in the psalms "hate your enemies" but Jesus says to "love your enemies" which scripture do I obey if you say all scripture must be obeyed-psalm26:5, Matt5:43,44. Interpretation is required to understand old & new covenant
U speak as if Matthew is not under OT! Matt, Mk, Lk & John are under LAW (Gal 4:4)! When one is ANOINTED w/Holy Spirit; he loves ALL & desires NONE LOST! When an unbeliever, he HATES GOD & I "hate them" (their thinking) but "Bless them" (
No! God made us all different with different perceptions. Man does not think as a woman or vice versa. When the Disciples were with Jesus they each had their own perception or interpretation of who He was and what he had done. Just like we are different cultures in each nation. Paul described that there were many different ministries but one and the same Spirit of God.
Why JESUS "commanded" us to "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) for HS (JESUS) to "REVEAL" TRUTH! Well, if "THE SAME SPIRIT" (I Cor 12), IT has different Mind (Heb 13:8)? Scripture LIES? "O "FOOLISH" Gal (Gal 3:1) who has bewitched u & "PERVERTED" Gospel of Chri
Amen Wayne, d Spirit of God is in all who believes in 'true faith,' all sanctified by d blood of D Lamb. Saint Paul was talking to d Gentiles as new converts 2 Christianity. They ol where sanctified w d blood of Christ, as in Romans 6, for holiness
Ed: Stop w/FALSE DOCTRINE amening not in WORD! Diff cultures don't matter (II Kg 17:29-42)! Wayne: Where did "Paul described...?" Defies Gal 1:6-9 "any other gospel=ACCURSED!" Does this show "diff ministries?"
Norine, with The Lord, we are made secure, without Him, we are made insecure. Stay in His light and remain healed, for He wants us all to live in truth, lest we get buried from darkness. Jesus judges, HS guides us 2 practice 'true faith,' n live.
Wayne D light of truth in Christ n d HS leads us to d Vine of 'true faith,' as d true church of Christ, doctrine blessed by Jesus in Peter n ol popes, upn d HS guid.. Cultures r human traditions b 'true faith' leads us 2 God's covenant - Lamb's Bld
No,there is no right or wrong interpretation of the bible. If there was then there would not be conflicts. Everyone has their own beliefs,it is how they were raised. The belief instilled over time. One side could interpret it as the bible says they should give onto death for all non believers. Another side could say to accept them and try to have them understand. I suppose you can say it's ambiguity. It can be interpreted in many different ways.
No truth may come from a prideful person, where his ego is above over the rest. But blessed is he who sees the light as he humbles himself to God, and see the truth in His light, the truth that sets anyone free from evil's bondage.
EDW-- IF THAT WAS MEANT FOR Me you are wrong, but being a catholic i dont expect you to understand the real scriptures Christians are to be all of 1 accord, ot course that does not include the cults such as yours
Eric: How can u be "w/1 accord w/Charlie? He believes "AFTER THE CROSS" or AFTER Acts! You still stuck under the law (Matt 22:37-40)! Holy Spirit gives Matt 22:37-40 "automatically!" You MUST live AFTER ACTS or Gal 1:6-9 applies "ACCURSED!"
Eric: "Christian" is not just a word or believing there is a GOD who "loves!" Saying you "love" GOD but not doing as commanded shows NO LOVE or Christianity! Why I keep giving WORD that we MUST live AFTER THE CROSS or AFTER DAY OF PENTECOST!
eric- I never said that and as long as you say you do not have to back up all your beliefs with scripture in context i would be unable to. I think 2x I have said you got 1 right but it takes more than that. it take correct understanding of the NT
eric- what that really means NT:4100 pisteuo (pist-yoo'-o); from NT:4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. credit; by implication, to entrust (especially one's spiritual well-being to Christ): KJV - believe (-r)
No Charlie that is not the HS reading. It is about casting the first stone. Are you positive my reading is incorrect and yours is without a plank in your eye? Be sure you follow the two greatest commandments first before judging. Matt. 22:36-40
erc your distorted view of love destorts everything you read, say and do. you have to get past your false beliefs of what love is. it takes a greater love to correct than to just agree with false beliefs
As though Pro. 13:24 applies to each other. But I am sorry 1 Cor. 13:4-8 convinces and is more consistent than your 20 kinds of Greek love.Paul cuts through interpretation and delivers solid truth. Rom. 8:28
Charlie Cults are for believers of Darkeness, Catholics believe in d light of truth in Christ, His precious blood makes us ONE with Him, in body and Spirit, as we remain in Him through His words 2 defit darknss n conquer d world. Hope is light n bld
Edwinoel- the chatholic church is part of the kingdom of darkness. They worship Mary and dead "Sainst". And pray to them. How evil can you get. Praying to Mary IS FALSE DOCTRINE. Which is just one of the many false doctrines. celafore IS CORRECT.
Protestants may find it hard to understand, less they be humbled n may see d light of truth, many may blaspheme d HS - hope comes fr truth in the 'word' revealed by true faith - Spirit of God, water n blood, all in agreement w 1 another. Blessings
KingdomCome this is a problem. You point out all the error. Perhaps a calling. Chastise, rebuke and debase. Yet within that calling is a doctrine all it's own. One doctrine for another? You are adamant and forceful and insistent.
Ed: Pls provide Scripture that we are to "worship Mary" or it's a man-made FALSE DOCTRINE! Eric: U continue not to care what's IS WRITTEN! I Pet 4:17 "For THE TIME IS COME that JUDGMENT "MUST" begin at the house of GOD..." How can u deny GOD'S WORD?
Edge that's why Jesus said "spread the gospel," "remain in me," "remain in my words,"eat of my flesh and drink of my blood..have eternal life," "whoever believes in me even though he dies, he lives," "love one another as I hav loved you," > holin
1825 Protestant bible came out, almost 1800 years AD, more Prot bible versions came, why, ask the scribes n the pastors who rules their minds. If Saint Paul in Timothy tells us 'money s d root of all evil,' where d u stand, t be pastors of darkness??
If Jesus is 'd way, d truth n d life,' how can every thing b correct rose? Jesus is r light, r hope, r Div Healr, Div Prov, Div Mercy, master of life, love n truth, and anyone who believes in Him and His words, he remains in Him, otherwise, corrupted
Rose n Norine rise up in 'true faith' n be freed fr all demons that rule ur mind, 4 Christ is the 'fullness of the Deity in bodily form,' ur remain ruled b the 'law' under d flesh. Rather, b ruled by d Spirit of truth, d HS, to 'true faith' w Christ.
Eric why do you keep "deleting?" You "cause your brother to stumble" which defies WORD! Who do u work for (I Cor 10:21)? Hearing/Receiving, Loving/Obeying THE WORD OF GOD is how you should RECEIVE, not "deleting!" Catholic Faith is FALSE DOCTRINE!
rose Christ is d truth in this life. Every time He tests r faith. True faith is in the true VINE of faith. No religion may save u, but FAITH in Christ will, where His precious blood shed for us on d cross saves n cleanses man fr sin n darkness. Live
"His precious blood shed for us" & you repay HIM by DISREGARDING Hebrews? Yes, HE'S "testing your faith," to see if you will continue DISREGARDING! Hebrews say "CHRIST HAS DONE IT ALL!" "No more rituals & sacrifices" (Holy Eucharist)!
Many people think they r gods, but there is only 1 God, n He loves us all. He wants us 2 unite by loving 1 another, how? Release our pride for we can't obtain anything when we die. Everything in this life are gifts from Him, He's testing us 2 b worhy
Can vitriolic and mean behavior toward your fellow man really emanate from the Holy Spirit? I do not believe it can so I cannot believe that you are lead by the Holy Spirit. Your words of praise contradict your stone heart.
It "seems?" EVERYTHING I do or say can be backed up w/WORD! I Thess 4:13 "But I would not have u IGNORANT..." ERIC why don't u "READ" then u would KNOW I'm not talking but GOD! HE'S "vitriolic & mean" w/"stone heart?" Did u READ re: "Judgment