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Belief of the intelligent design

  1. Mark Johann profile image63
    Mark Johannposted 3 years ago

    I just saw some documentaries about scientists admitting that there is an intelligent design made by the Designer...The Creator.

    I would like to recommend this youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl … S1x-6al2pE

    Thanks for participating my forum. smile

    1. A Troubled Man profile image60
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      No, scientists do not say such ridiculous things.

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        THAT is a lie. THAT is ridiculous. There are many scientists who do believe in a Creator. For Heaven's sake. At least admit to things that can be proven.

        1. Zelkiiro profile image82
          Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          1 out of every 1000 is not "many."

        2. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Beth, you are both right and wrong.  Yes, there are scientists that believe in a Creator.  There just weren't any (good) ones in that video.  There are far too many logical fallacies, too many unsupported claims and too much arguing from a semantical base to be considered a scientist.

        3. A Troubled Man profile image60
          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          The key word here is 'scientists' which immediately implies that they are speaking on behalf of science when they make those claims. Those folks could be bowlers, for all we know, but no one here is saying that many bowlers believe in a Creator.

          And no, real scientists who speak on behalf of science do not say those ridiculous things.

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            Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Your assumptions are incorrect.
            Or maybe you don't consider Isaac Newton or Pythagoras contributing scientists?
            Here's a small list of names to peruse.

            1. Zelkiiro profile image82
              Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Isaac Newton and (especially) Pythagoras weren't around when modern science became a thing and handily brushed off mindless superstitions like deities, the afterlife, and the supernatural. Hell, neither of them were even around when we discovered bacteria. Or atoms. Or neutrinos. Or dark matter.

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                Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Yeah... lets not count them... or the list I posted.

            2. A Troubled Man profile image60
              A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Oh, I see, you believe that centuries ago, your religion didn't torture or kill people for not believing. lol

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                Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Wow. Holy off-topic Batman.
                I do not discount reported history. Where did I say that? Yes, I have indeed heard of the crusades... where a group of ppl went on a killing spree and all in God's name. I could go on a killing spree in your name as well, would that make you in any way responsible?

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Good point.  So why do people find it necessary to be a part of the religion that caused the crusades rather than simply be a part of God?

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                    Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    You will have to ask them. I follow God and the Bible, not a religion.

                2. A Troubled Man profile image60
                  A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  No, it would make you responsible.

                  Of course, I don't act like a selfish, psychotic despot, demanding love and worship from my followers.

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                    Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Im glad.
                    I don't know anyone like that either.

  2. Zelkiiro profile image82
    Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago

    I see your YouTube video and raise you another:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RnygS7opCA

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      Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this
      1. Zelkiiro profile image82
        Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Ben Stein? Glad you brought him up! He makes an appearance!
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO7IT81h200

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          Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I love this movie. (Expelled.) Did you watch it?

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    Rayne123posted 3 years ago

    this is going to sound strange but I on the other hand have no idea what you are talking about lol
    sorry

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    Y'all may spin it as you please. It doesn't bother me at all. What bothers me is to call something an absolute that isn't one.

  5. scottcgruber profile image92
    scottcgruberposted 3 years ago

    The burden of proof is on the creationists to prove that there is design in nature. They have not done so.

    They have only made arguments from ignorance: we don't know how x evolved, therefore God Did It.

    1. renegadetory profile image92
      renegadetoryposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      That's an interesting position, but science has not proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that life began without a creator, so there is an equal burden of proof on them to prove there is no God.

      1. A Troubled Man profile image60
        A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        lol No, the burden of proof for God is entirely on the shoulders of believers like yourself.

        Science has shown life began entirely on it's own, no gods, leprechauns or giant lizards were required in the creation of life.

        1. renegadetory profile image92
          renegadetoryposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Has it?  I would be interested in knowing your source, if you don't mind.

          1. A Troubled Man profile image60
            A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Try this for starters...

            http://exploringorigins.org/rna.html

            then you can peruse more advanced papers here...

            http://rnajournal.cshlp.org/

            Here's a helpful guide...

            http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/glossary=rna

            1. renegadetory profile image92
              renegadetoryposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              From the links that you have posted, I gather you are guiding me towards the "RNA world' hypothesis?  Please correct me if I am wrong.

              If this is in fact the case, has any scientist been able to demonstrate how RNA could have formed before living cells were around to make it or how it could have survived under the conditions of the early earth?  If you are able, please throw a link or two in my direction or list a book that I might be able to look it up. 

              With regard to the second link you posted, are there any particular issues or specific articles that I should be looking for?

              1. A Troubled Man profile image60
                A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Yes, this guy created under laboratory conditions, an RNA molecule, modeled after the conditions of the early earth.

                https://mcdb.colorado.edu/directory/yarus_m.html

                http://artsandsciences.colorado.edu/mag … n-of-life/

                1. renegadetory profile image92
                  renegadetoryposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I was not aware of this, how very interesting. 

                  To be fair, I will share with you where I get much of my skepticism of the RNA world theory:

                  http://www.its.caltech.edu/~bch176/Joyce1989.pdf

                  I realize that this is a somewhat dated article (1989) but he makes a good argument regarding the difficulty to synthesize RNA in the prebiotic environment.

                  1. A Troubled Man profile image60
                    A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    But, he also states it's time to start looking at RNA seriously and figure out how to make it, which was accomplished since then. No problem. smile

          2. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Me, too.  Proof that God didn't reach down and...push...those early atoms and molecules together in the primordial soup would be most interesting.

  6. Mark Johann profile image63
    Mark Johannposted 3 years ago

    If you have emotions then there has to be Someone who made that thing. Just my thought.

    1. A Troubled Man profile image60
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      That makes no sense whatsoever. Why did there have to be "Someone" who made emotions?

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    http://s2.hubimg.com/u/8055289_f248.jpg

    1. A Troubled Man profile image60
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      No, that is not atheism, that is nonsense. Whoever wrote that deserves to be mocked.

      Atheism is merely a lack of belief in gods.

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        oic

    2. autumn18 profile image69
      autumn18posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Not all atheists mock your beliefs so that image is just promoting conflict.

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Im just curious... do you come to the defense of a person of faith's belief's when an Atheist rips apart every attempt the believer makes to answer the question they were asked by the Atheist? Cause I don't remember seeing you before.

        1. A Troubled Man profile image60
          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Deleted

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            Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Sorry, sometimes words are hard.

            I wanted to know if she also came to the defense of (let's say) a Christian...
            when the Christian's belief's were mocked by an Atheist (let's say you.)
            Because I didn't remember seeing her here on this thread asking you to stop mocking the Christians, for simply trying to answer the questions they had been asked by the Atheists.

            1. A Troubled Man profile image60
              A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, thank you, that makes more sense. Carry on.

            2. autumn18 profile image69
              autumn18posted 3 years ago in reply to this

              No I didn't specifically go to the defense of a Christian in this thread. If I see someone mocking a person with incorrect skewed information or assumptions then I would. The silly image did that. It jumps out at me more because I hear so many Christians claim to want peace and understanding with all people regardless of belief system and the image goes against that. You can believe anything you want, it only matters to me when people's beliefs (on any side) cause conflict.

      2. A Troubled Man profile image60
        A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Exactly, and it was posted here with the sole purpose of promoting conflict.

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          Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          lol. Does your mother know you do this?

          1. A Troubled Man profile image60
            A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            She's currently standing behind me laughing her head off at your posts.

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              Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I find that shocking.


              I guess she doesn't subscribe to your strong conviction to mock the faith and not the person.

              (I have to go to work now, that doesn't mean I don't care.)

              1. A Troubled Man profile image60
                A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Why would you find it shocking that people laugh at your beliefs, it happens all the time.



                Yes, she does, that's why she is laughing hysterically at your beliefs. Of course,they aren't really yours to begin with anyways, they are someone else beliefs which you have accepted.

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                  Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I was just kidding with the shocked thing. Im sorry, I thought that came across.

    3. wilderness profile image96
      wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      ATHEISM
      The belief there was once something we've named a "singularity".  The singularity exploded (for no known reason), creating everything and everywhere.  The a bunch of the exploded everything (called mass, atoms or molecules) rearranged itself (according to the laws of physics and chemistry) into self replicating bits which additional bits of energy or mass eventually turned into dinosaurs.
      AND THEY MOCK YOUR BELIEFS

      A little more truthful, a little less disparaging, but basically true.  But, reworded for truth, it certainly takes away the ridicule, doesn't it?

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I can tell you the constant ridicule of your belief begins to wear on you after a while. I hope this is something you can identify with and maybe begin to understand.

        1. A Troubled Man profile image60
          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I'm not at all surprised, when one believes in ridiculous invisible magical super beings and expect to be treated like adults will be constantly ridiculed, until they grow up.



          It is completely understandable. smile

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            Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Oh good, problem solved.

            1. A Troubled Man profile image60
              A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Actually, the problem is not solved. Can you not see the problem of posting that conflict?

        2. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Yes.  Yes it does wear.  As does any ridicule where facts are changed to become lies, baseless insinuations and innuendos are made or truth is twisted unrecognizably.  Whether it is for atheism or theism, whether for democrat or republican, or to promote choice or life, it's increasingly irritating.

  8. Mark Johann profile image63
    Mark Johannposted 3 years ago

    Our minds cannot fathom the mind of God. I just want to express my beliefs and hopefully let some people there believe and accept that there is a Creator, a Higher Being, who made us and loves us always.

    I am thinking of unification of mankind through Jesus Christ's example. I am just thinking that why are some people don't wonder why adult or old people really really believe and serve God. This is not a childish way. They are adults, philosophers, good thinkers, not foolish.

    Why not research and think of the possibility or even believe that there is life after death and there is God, instead of insisting and mocking that we believers are foolish of believing God. I am just confused of the how those people live their lives by believing just by themselves.

    I am praying for those people that someday, they may be as higher believers as my level of belief today.

    Those who oppose against the belief in God are stronger preachers on the side of God soon. I hope and pray.

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      Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Well said. smile

      1. Mark Johann profile image63
        Mark Johannposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks Beth37. smile Bless you!

      2. Mark Johann profile image63
        Mark Johannposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I am sorry for excess words written. I did not review it. smile

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          Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          It was from the heart. It was perfect as is.

          1. Mark Johann profile image63
            Mark Johannposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            smile

            1. Mark Johann profile image63
              Mark Johannposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, from the heart, indeed. smile

    2. A Troubled Man profile image60
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      You will not succeed because those beliefs are childish myths.



      Christianity has always divided mankind and will always continue to do so as long as people believe and follow it. Yes, it is very childish and foolish.



      It is actually research and thinking that leads people to understand gods, the afterlife, etc. are merely childish myths. Those who defend those myths deserve to be mocked.



      Praying is useless, it accomplishes nothing. You will fail to do anything when you pray. That is why people actually do things rather than pray.

 
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