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LDS secret hand shakes and baptisms for the dead (video)

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    passingthewordposted 3 years ago

    This video shows what goes on inside the LDS temple. this video shows batism for the dead, secret hand shakes to enter heaven and marriage ceremony.
    Cult of not
    you judge for yourself.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6udew9axmdM

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks for that, I went on and watched a few more videos that showed why Mormonism fosters racism.

      Nasty piece of work that book of Mormon is.

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        wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Never read it.  Is it worse than multiple cases of genocide?  Are innocent children to be punished with eternal torment?  Is slavery condoned?  Did the prophet offer his daughters to strangers to keep them quiet?

        All is relative.

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          Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Is slavery condoned?

          Up until fairly recently black were only allowed to join the Mormons if they wanted to be a slave to a white person in this world and the next. Black or dark skin is taught to be the mark of Satan. The only reason this was changed (allowing blacks) was because Jimmy Carter told the leader of the Mormons that he would tax the entire business.

          They apparently take a vow to strive towards a non-secular society. Me thinks you guys dodged a bullet in the last election.

          Nasty stuff. I'm not say these are are any worse than the others, I'm am however say they must be even more gullible if that is even possible.

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            wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            smile Actually, it was a little sarcasm; the scripture of Mormons isn't really much worse, if any, than the bible or Koran. 

            Might have been a mistake, dodging that bullet.  Just might have done a world of good to let the other sects see just what happens when religion runs, or tries to run, a country.

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              Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              The book of Mormon was first published in March 1830 by Joseph Smith. 1830 was not that long ago and his story of the golden plates that are no where to be found is mind numbingly stupid and riddled with the worst kind of racism.

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                wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                LOL Not much change in 2,000 years, was there?  Only the words; the utter nonsense is still there in abundance.

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                HowardBThinameposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Likewise, no one can find Moses' tablets. Mormons are no worse and no better than other religions, for the most part. They do tend to help their own, which could be construed as being a valuable perk for joining them - if one is inclined to that sort of bent.

                Granted the Mormons practiced a form a racism, but so did the Christians. After all, who owned slaves until they were forced to give them up?

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                  Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  This is one of the best articles on slavery in the Bible that Ive seen. I hope you'll have the chance to read it.
                  http://www.godandscience.org/apologetic … bible.html

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                    Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Unbelievable, I knew I should have clicked on that link. I thought you said you don't believe anything except for the bible? Do you realize that contrary to that link the bible says one is allowed to beat a slave as long as they survive? And at one point your peaceful loving God convinced a slave to return to her owner how raped her and left her with child?

                    Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT
                    However, you may purchase male and female slaves from among the nations around you.You may also purchase the children of temporary residents who live among you, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property,passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat them as slaves, but you must never treat your fellow Israelites this way.

                    Exodus 21:20-21 NLT
                    If a man beats his male or female slave with a club and the slave dies as a result, the owner must be punished. But if the slave recovers within a day or two, then the owner shall not be punished, since the slave is his property.

                    Is this what you are justifying?

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            psycheskinnerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Just like it is in the Bible?

            Every religion with a long history has a shameful past.  As, in fact, does any entity at all with a long history.

            Mormons, on the other hand, are just people like everyone else.  Most of them very nice people.

            I am more annoyed about OPs agenda than the Mormon's.  They aren't here pushing theirs in my face every month or so.

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              Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              They do knock on doors and attempt to control people with lies. They go as far as saying they can become Gods in heaven, on par with God the father. But I guess it's no different than the others.

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                psycheskinnerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                This week people have knocked on my door demanding candy and threatening to harass me if I don't give it to them.  Life is full of trials. And yet somehow I survive, atheism intact.

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                  wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  LOL  Gotta love that answer; it happened to me, too.  All sorts of horrific creatures threatening me!

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                    Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Seems to happen every year.

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                    passingthewordposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Lol

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              A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Not sure if you watched the video, but they did show that the Mormons are going to avenge the killing of their prophets against the US sometime in the future and eventually take over civil government with their own government.

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                psycheskinnerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                The Mormons think a lot of silly things IMHO.  But thinking they will actually do any of that is even sillier.

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                  A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Perhaps, but thinking the religiously delusional won't do anything dangerous is not as silly as you make it considering what they've done and continue to do.

                  Maybe, it was silly to think the religiously delusional might fly commercial airliners into skyscrapers?

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                    Onusonusposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Hi, Mormon guy here. You know, when I'm not plotting the overthrow of the US government I like to spend my evenings with the wife and kids teaching them the value of driving airplanes into buildings.

                    Today I took a few minutes to have a looksey at the anti-Mormon video that PTW posted, when suddenly a question popped into my head. Is it a Christ like attribute to lie to Mormons so you can sneak into their temple and take a secret video of their rituals in order to attempt to make them look weird?

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                    passingthewordposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    That's radical  Muslims. Not Christian

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              wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Well said, although they do knock on my door just as Rad Man says.  But overall, they are little different than any other sect; their scripture contains nonsense, they KNOW it is nonsense and gloss over it in an effort to pretend it isn't there.  Much like bible and Koran readers.

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                passingthewordposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Nonsense how?
                I know the lds doctrine is crazy but what do you think (well what part stands out to you?)

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                  wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Kolob comes to mind, followed by the gold plates.  Such an obvious take off from the tables of stone!

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                    Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Let's not forget the racism.

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          passingthewordposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          lol.. but it wasnt a prophet that was willing to give up their daughter it was Lot.. (crazy). genocide? please explain. If your think of what i am thinking let me give you somthing to think about. Say France came to the United states and conquered us and took over Washington D.C. Then the French killed and kicked out the American's. What do you think the rest of the United states would do? We would take our troops and everyone else that calls themselves American and take back D.C. at any cost.

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            Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            "This is what the Lord Almighty says ... 'Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.' "

            "Therefore it shall be, when the LORD thy God hath given thee rest from all thine enemies round about, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it, that thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt not forget."

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              passingthewordposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              ok let me give you (my) 2 cents. I don't know if is worth anything but.. the Amalekites were doing human sacrifices worshiping false gods and alot more9look them up for more info. so God said kill them all so these pactices would be die with them. Well if you read the story will will see that they did not kill them all and kept all of the money. what happened next was that what God wanted to die did not. the woman began to share their pratices and the Isrealites comitted them. Just what God did not want. Put your self in God's place (as a father to all of the people) if your kids were being killed and influanced into doing something that would cause them to die. just a thought.

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                Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Is your God impotent? Why not do it himself? Instead we have instructions from a leader telling his people to murder.

                Ahhhh. Human Sacrifice? Isn't that what Jesus was. You are not making any sense, you're claiming God didn't like them killing there fellow humans and instead of giving them instructions, tells others to kill them all, all so he can set up the ultimate human sacrifice.

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                  passingthewordposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Hey you answer your on questions. I am just telling you what i have read. That's it. Take it or leave it. Am not making sense you because you have so much anger its blinding you.

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                    Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Not angry, just perplexed. Notice how you didn't comment on my post, you simply reply with a personal attack and state your remark was just something you read. Attempting to justify the ethics of genocide so you can justify your personal beliefs is what you were attempting to do.

                    Not angry at all. Just perplexed and bewildered watching people attempt to justify genocide.

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                A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Then what? Grab an automatic weapon and go out and murder the lot of them? Is that your answer to dealing with these situations? Violence?

                Obviously, your religion has taught you well.

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                Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                I shared that point of view with them once, they were not moved.

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                  Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  The justification for genocide is not moving, it's rather scary.

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          Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          What you have is a problem with mankind... the Bible is simply reporting those events. You are godless, no? Have you ever done anything you're ashamed of? Who do you blame in that case? When mankind sins, it is b/c he wills it. (And what verse do you use to support innocent children going to hell?)

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            Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Have you even read any of the bible?

            "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."

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              Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

              God probably didn't know what He was doing... It was probably some kind of fluke. If you could have been their to advise him with your infinite knowledge, He could have done it right.

              How many times does it have to be said that you do not know what He knows? You do not have the wisdom, or the ability to see a man's heart or the future of man and mankind. When you do, you can be one of God's advisers seeing as how you are still His creation.

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                Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                So you justify a genocide because it was directed by a loving God rather than look look at it critically.

                Would a loving, compassionate God give those orders?  NO.

                Would someone trying to inspire people to go to war give those orders? YES.

                And yes if one has half a brain and a leader tells you that God has instructed you to kill women and children, one would say BS.

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                  Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Well you got it all down. You don't need me here if you're gonna ask and answer your own questions.

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                    Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Okay, you answer them then.

                    Would a loving, compassionate God order genocide?

                    Would someone trying to inspire people to go to war order a God sanctioned genocide?

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                Will Apseposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                You are  below par today, Beth, First you let a mob turn you into an accomplice. Now, you cannot even dispatch a few unbelievers.

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                  Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I cannot believe you showed your face on this thread... you realize you have opened yourself up to a can full of worms so large that I can't even think of a metaphor to match it?

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                    Will Apseposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    There are no actual people in this thread, Beth.

                    This is what they call UMD- user matched discourse. Everyone who enters the thread gets a different experience with different dialogue. Everyone is alone with the AI.

                    That is why it all sounds so familiar. The AI is matching each participants needs and generating an essentially familiar, brain lulling debate.

              3. A Troubled Man profile image61
                A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                lol How many times must we hear you tell us what God knows? Hilarious hypocrisy, Beth. You really know how to put your foot in your mouth over and over and over...

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                  Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I made you some cookies and Im sending you a pocket bible... just give me your address. smile

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    Will Apseposted 3 years ago

    Remember it is not me posting the images. And those who seek to distract you are merely executable programs.

    I will be here as a shadow.

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      Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Aw.

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    Will Apseposted 3 years ago

    http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/08_02/PutinWildAP_468x300.jpg

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Now you've don it. We'll never get her back.

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      Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      lol!

  4. Will Apse profile image89
    Will Apseposted 3 years ago

    Voted most powerful man in the world by Time.

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      Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Yet he can't afford a shirt.

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        Will Apseposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        He sometimes goes naked in the Kremlin just to demonstrate his status.

        But look close up and he is as boyish and innocent as any of the unbelievers you trample so cruelly every day.

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          Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          LOL... why are you so funny?
          Am I really unkind to the unbelievers? I hope not... Ive baked them all cookies and sent them with a pocket bible... surely that proves what a good person I am.

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            Will Apseposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Trample, trample trample. Its not cookies they need...

            I am taking this one with me:

            'My friend... you must understand that those kind of tactics, though quite powerful in grade school, lack effectiveness...'

            lol.

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              Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

              It's tough love.

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                Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                It's avoidance. A simple yes or no would have done.

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                  Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Is taking another life, no matter if it is done in hate or if it is done in mercy, ok?
                  Yes or no?

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                    Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    No. We have laws to prevent such things.

                    See it's easy.

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                  Will Apseposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Sorry Rad Man, you seem like a nice young man and I am glad Beth is so patient with you.

                  I will leave the two of you alone now. Goodnight.

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                    Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Sweet dreams. smile

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    Anyhoo... here we are back at square one. Good times.

  6. Will Apse profile image89
    Will Apseposted 3 years ago

    This ultra-aggressive secularism is so offensive.

    It comes directly out of 9/11.

    People who somehow imagined they were liberals now think that it is fine to attack religion.

    People who imagined that they were humanists suddenly find that they can express contempt for the vast majority of humanity.

    To me, attacking someone's religion means attacking their identity and most of the things that they most love.

    Beth's patience is remarkable.

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      Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      It's official. I want to marry you when I grow up. wink

    2. A Troubled Man profile image61
      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      That is entirely false, attacking religions is not attacking any person.

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        So calling CG stupid, a dozen times is attacking her religion?

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          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I never called her stupid, not once. Why are you making up lies, Beth?

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            Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I thought I was the one with the short memory?

            Your quotes to CG:

            "Have you even read any of other scripture from other religions? It would appear you haven't, hence you can't make any intelligent comments regarding any differences.

            You actually have no idea what you're talking about and just making up stuff as you go along. Hilarious.

            Saying that merely makes you look incredibly ignorant and deluded or just something a small child would say in a kindergarten playground.

            Sorry, but the Bible does not talk about the brain or how it works because no one back then knew anything about it. You should try reading books sometime.

            You obviously have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

            Yes, you are talking nonsensical gibberish.

            The difference is that you don't use yours. (brains)

            That is a terrible score, a complete fail. It clearly shows you're critical thinking skills are abysmal and your posts here confirm that.

            Wow! How does someone like this actually function in society?"

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              A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, you are lying, Beth. Nowhere did I call her stupid. Retract your accusation immediately.

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                Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Um... stupid is the same as saying someone looks ignorant, deluded, childlike, unable to perform in society, that they don't use their brains and they only speak non nonsensical gibberish.

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                  Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Ignorant and deluded do not equate stupid. There are many things one can be ignorant of and still be intelligent.

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                  A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Beth, you claimed I called her stupid, you must retract that accusation immediately because I did no such thing.

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      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      So, what you're claiming is that criticizing religions is the same thing as flying commercial airliners into skyscrapers? Criticizing is the same as mass murder? Seriously, Will?

      1. Will Apse profile image89
        Will Apseposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Ultra-aggressive secularism is just another form of extremism.

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          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          You have equated secularism to mass murder, Will. Are you serious?

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            Will Apseposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Ultra-aggressive secularism is just another form of extremism.

            Ultra-aggressive secularism is also the new racism for some people. Not you, ATM, obviously. I can see that you are a man of reason.

            But Dawkins has given people who were struggling to find a group to hate, in the age of PC, a new set of targets. Don't you agree?

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              Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Racism, there is another word you don't understand.

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              A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              So, now secularism is equivalent to mass murder and racism. I cannot believe you're actually saying those things.

              1. Will Apse profile image89
                Will Apseposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                I think for some people who take their anti-religious dislikes to an extreme, it really is just that the religious provide a convenient group to attack.

                I know some people who have had a religious background that included a traumatic element. People like that can find it very difficult to leave the subject alone.

                They have my sympathy as long they can see that it is a problem in their life and not something they should act out by persecuting others.

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                  A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Are you being persecuted? Do you not know there are laws against persecution? Seriously, Will, the things you're saying here are simply not true at all. What you're saying about secularism is very nasty and entirely false. Why are you compelled to say such things?

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          Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Ahh, it's extremism to not want any church or Religion to control the government?

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            Will Apseposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            What has this got to do with anything in this discussion?

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              Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Oh, you are unaware of what the words you use mean.

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                Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Oh wow. lol
                He's like a master of words... really?

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                Will Apseposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                You can only say this because you have never met my stomach or my wrinkles, lol.

                Anyway, time for the old man to sleep.

                The great thing about ATM and Rad Man is that they keep repeating themselves at regular, (rather short) intervals so I can easily pick this up again tomorrow.

                So can you, of course. Nothing wrong with taking a break...

                Goodnight, all.

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                  Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Like Frasier and Mr. Darcy all wrapped up into one. *sigh.

                  Actually I have to go and get ready for my daughter's bday party. Night. smile

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    Fordaddictposted 3 years ago

    You know, this thread is awful busy to be run by a computer. Is the computer bored?

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    In Lincolns early years, he attended a Baptist church with his dad, but in his college years, as with many kids finding their way, he turned a little skeptical. This quote is from his skeptic years:

    “I have never spoken with intentional disrespect of religion in general, or of any denomination of Christians in particular, I still do not think any man has the right thus to insult the feelings, and injure the morals, of the community in which he may live.” (Nothing to do with the subject, just thought I'd throw that in there. smile)

    After his son died, his faith in God seemed to become increasingly important to him.

    In 1862 Lincoln was preparing to release the Emancipation Proclamation and told his staff that it was time. He said he had promised his Maker and that  “God had decided this question in favor of the slaves.”

    In his later years an old college friend teased him for reading his Bible and Lincoln's response to him was this: “take all of this Book upon reason that you can, and the balance on faith, and you will live and die a happier man.”

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Are you still trying to prove it was Christianity that freed the slaves?

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Uh no. God did that.

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          Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Tell that to the generations who had no freedom. The slave owners had the bible on there side.

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            Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Ok, Ill call them now.

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          A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          lol

          "Over the decades and with the growth of slavery throughout the South, Baptist and Methodist ministers gradually changed their messages to accommodate the institution. After 1830, white Southerners argued for the compatibility of Christianity and slavery, with a multitude of both Old and New Testament citations.

          Southern slaves generally attended their masters’ white churches, and often outnumbered the white congregants. They were usually permitted only to sit in the back or in the balcony. They listened to white preachers, who emphasized the appropriate behavior of slaves to keep in their place, and acknowledged the slave’s identity as both person and property."  J. William Frost, Christianity: A Social and Cultural History

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      A Troubled Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      "His private secretary, Col. John G. Nicolay. In a letter dated May 27, 1865, Colonel Nicolay says: "Mr. Lincoln did not, to my knowledge, in any way change his religious ideas, opinions, or beliefs from the time he left Springfield to the day of his death."

      "His lifelong friend and executor, Judge David Davis, affirmed the same: "He had no faith in the Christian sense of the term."

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I don't know his reflections on Christ... his reflections on God though are well documented.

 
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