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Mormon rituals and secret handshakes

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    passingthewordposted 4 years ago

    Rituals, secret names and secret handhakes that will get you into heaven, according to the Mormons
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6udew9axmdM
    Youtube
    Behind The Veil: Never-before-seen videos of secret Mormon Temple rituals .

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      Motown2Chitownposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      With all due respect, passingtheword, the Roman Catholic Church is in the process of choosing a new Pope.  No one is interested, at the moment, in bashing the Latter Day Saints.  Wait until after the election, and I'm sure the posse will be back in full force.

      roll

    2. marbegay profile image61
      marbegayposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Finding a new child abuser is your priority? http://www.christianpost.com/news/catho … ory-91360/

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        Motown2Chitownposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Oh, sorry.  I missed that you were here to troll.

        Carry on.

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        passingthewordposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        lol

  2. psycheskinner profile image81
    psycheskinnerposted 4 years ago

    Indeed, no hunting Mormons out of season.  Your license might be revoked.

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      Motown2Chitownposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      smile

      I like that.

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        Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I don't know much about the mormons so I just did a little research. That's some very messed up stuff. The missing golden plates? Do people just make stuff up and other people?

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          Motown2Chitownposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Remind me some day to introduce you to Warren Jeffs.  He is NOT a part of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.  He is a fundamentalist Mormon whose church sanctions polygamy.

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            SmartAndFunposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            And child rape.

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              Motown2Chitownposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              As part of the ceremonies attended by his followers.  I agree with Rad - the problem is with those who follow.

              1. SmartAndFun profile image91
                SmartAndFunposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Jeffs himself had intercourse with a 12-year-old and fathered a child with a 15-year-old (at least those are what he was convivcted of). Jeffs had 78 wives, 24 of them were under 17.

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                  Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  And yet the gullible continued to follow him.

                  1. SmartAndFun profile image91
                    SmartAndFunposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    True. What a guy. What followers. Disgusting all the way around.

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            passingthewordposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Warren Jeffs is a modern day Joseph Smith.

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              Motown2Chitownposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I'm sure there are many, many Mormons who would differ with that assessment.  Thank God.

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              marbegayposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Joseph Smith had 34 wives including married women and 14 year olds.
              Joseph and Warren are pretty similar. Read this article it is very interesting and educating.
              http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52371 … s.html.csp

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            Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I know of Warren Jeffs. The problems is not with people like Warren Jeffs or Joseph Smith it's with the nuts that follow them. Gold plates? Please!

            1. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image95
              Marcy Goodfleischposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Warren Jeffs and his followers have nothing to do with the LDS church based in Salt Lake City. The LDS church has made that clear.  It's sad that people still confuse his sect with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

              Yes, there are ordinances that are only attended by members. They are considered sacred more so than secret. All religions are based on faith, which is why nobody has seen the tablets on which the Ten Commandments are written. The LDS church follows the same beliefs and traditions of other Christian churches, and has an added volume of scriptures called The Book of Mormon. If you attended an LDS Sunday service, you would feel like you were in almost any other worship service.

              I've written several hubs on the faith, for anyone who cares to check them out.  Members of my church (I am Mormon) live clean lifestyles and believe in following the law. Service to others is a priority; our members were among the first to be on the scene after Hurricane Katrina, and millions of dollars of aid and hours of service are given regularly throughout the world.

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                Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I'm sure your a fine person, but I'm confused as to why someone would base their life on a book with suspect origins. I'm not just picking on Mormons as I have the same issues with all Christians and Muslims as well. Convenient that the Gold plates when missing? I'm glad that Mormons are trying to distance themselves with polygamy, but I'm told on its web site, the church says that “the standard doctrine of the church is monogamy" and that polygamy was a temporary exception to the rule. Who gets those exceptions?

                If I were to propose that I'm currently translating a document handed to me by God in the way of platinum plated parchment and as I translate the platinum plated parchment dissolves. Would you have faith?

                1. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image95
                  Marcy Goodfleischposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I understand having questions, Rad Man. I can only share why I personally joined the church (nearly 11 years ago), not why  others do or do not. I grew up in what is now the United Methodist Church; for many years (like, 30) I had strongly believed that if people in the days of Moses and Noah needed the guidance of a living prophet, we certainly need one in our current world. So when I learned that the LDS church embraces that concept, I investigated it. I did not want a culture that worshiped a living person (such as some guru sects might do), and I wanted something consistent with Christian beliefs and values.

                  After investigating, I had my answers - ones that satisfy me, and my personal journey in faith. I also read The Book of Mormon (which, by the way, is often what prompts some members to join the church).  And I watched some talks by current leaders - which showed me they were humble and sincere people, not grandstanding or wanting the spotlight. I  have to take it on faith that The Book of Mormon was an inspired gift to us. It certainly reads that way.

                  But beyond that, I've never seen such good, kind, non-judgmental and loving people in my life. I see the kind of family units I wish I'd been able to provide my children. Again, these things have spoken to me in my own journey, not that of others.

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                    Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Thank but you didn't answer any of my questions?

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                    passingthewordposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Mercy we do have one to follow that is living,  His name is Jesus!!!!!!
                    In the O/T their were more then just on prophet on earth at one time. If you have read kings and 2king you would read that Jezebel killed prophet(s) and tried to kill Elijah. Plural...
                    Do you really think that God needs a handshake  in order to let you into heaven?
                    And if your a student of the LDS faith, do you know what all of our new names will be? at the marriage feast we will be called Jesus' Beloved..  Just like a bride changes her name, so will we at the feast be called his Beloved.
                    The Bible has all we need.

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                Motown2Chitownposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Marcy, I originally spoke about Warren Jeffs in this thread, and I tried to very clearly make known that he is not a part of the LDS Church centered in Salt Lake.

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                  SmartAndFunposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I, too, know that Jeffs is not affiliated with the LDS.

                  I assumed that others knew that, also, but maybe they don't. Hopefully they know now.

                2. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image95
                  Marcy Goodfleischposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Hi, Motown - yes, I saw what you posted (and I appreciate it!).  I was responding to some posts that seemed to continue to associate that mess with the LDS church.  Thanks for speaking up!

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                marbegayposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Marcy, even though the LDS Church is separate from the FLDS it's roots are the same. Doctrine and Covenants 131 and 132 clearly state that polygamy is Mormon doctrine and will be practiced in the Celestial Kingdom. If you do not agree with that you better get ouf Mormonism before it is to late and you end up being one of many wives.

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              marbegayposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              One thing that needs to be understood is that most of the Mormons you will meet today grew up within mormonism. They often don't even know about their founders polygamous and polyandrous marriages because it is not taught in any of the organisations classes and their own historians are encouraged to leave out things in their writings and lectures (https://si.lds.org/bc/seminary/content/ … ct_eng.pdf). They don't even know that the gold plates were translated by Smith by putting his head into a hat (http://www.lds.org/ensign/1993/07/a-tre … lation+hat). There are a lot of intelligent mormons out there, the problem is that they can't apply their intelligence within their own belief, critical thinking is suppressed. Here is a good explanation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUsOHsZIiA4

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            marbegayposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I would suggest Joseph Smith was almost as bad as Warren Jeffs. He married 14 yr olds, suggested marriage to a 12 yr old and participated in polygamy and polyandry. The secret handshakes and temple ceremonies were taken from free masons ceremonies.
            All religions have orthodox followers most of them were born into it. What child really chooses their religion? The parents choose for them. Often when then the child no longer believes threads are made from the people that are suposed to love them the most. It is not just Mormons that have weird views, see
            http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/de … 7-year-ol/
            http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm
            http://www.scu.edu/ethics/publications/ … lywar.html
            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … gain.html,
            http://abcnews.go.com/US/muslim-man-gui … d=12975396

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              Motown2Chitownposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Thanks for the links.  I am not a Mormon, nor would I ever consider joining the Church.  There is no need for you to enlighten me. 

              Thanks again, though.

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                marbegayposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                You have no need to be enlightened? Does that mean you are not interested in educating yourself? I guess? Serve yourself! Ignorance is bliss! wink

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                  Motown2Chitownposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I have no need to be enlightened about the Mormon Church, no. 

                  I know quite well Whom I serve.

                  And several others here know as well.

                  I don't argue about these things - especially with those who do not know me.

                  Enjoy the games, but I choose not to be a part of them.

                  smile

  3. psycheskinner profile image81
    psycheskinnerposted 4 years ago

    Most major religions have some pretty messed up followers somewhere in the world, and some weird antiquated notions. I think Jesus had a saying about that involving the casting of stones.

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      Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      That stone thing was about sinning and had nothing to do with gullibility. Have you read about Joseph Smith?

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        psycheskinnerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        No, it had to do with humility.

        I know Mormons who are good, law abiding and generous people.  In which case I don't give a damn what religious beliefs they have.

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          Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Warren Steed Jeffs is the president of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Jeffs

          While reading through add up all the lives that were hurt as a result of Jeffs and his actions.

          "While incarcerated at Louis C. Powledge Unit, Jeffs penned a book purported to be revelations of Jesus Christ delivered to Jeffs. This book is entitled Jesus Christ Message to All Nations and includes several directives, purportedly from Jesus Christ with Jeffs as the mouthpiece, to set Jeffs free."

          My point is to ask at what point do we stop saying well it's just there religious beliefs. Do we leave the Taliban alone as well?

          1. marbegay profile image61
            marbegayposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Very good point Rad Man! Where do we stop and say enough is enough?

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          marbegayposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Psycheskinner there are lot of good mormons out there! It's not about these law abiding citizen it is about their church. The scary thing is that these law abiding citizen are ask to follow their prophet even if it is wrong. “Always keep your eye on the President of the Church, and if he ever tells you to do anything, and it is wrong, and you do it, the Lord will bless you for it...” (Heber J. Grant, quoted by Marion G. Romney in Conference Report, Oct. 1960, p. 78. https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ … d?lang=eng) Right now you might not care what their beliefs are but if it affects you or your country in a negative way one day you will.

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            passingthewordposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Exactly just talking about the doctrine Not the people

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    Greekgeekposted 4 years ago

    I started reading the Book of Mormon once and found it fascinating — if a little amusing. However, I try to remember that the religious practices and beliefs of most religions look bizarre to outsiders.

    For a little perspective, watch how Christian sects are portrayed in some animé. It's interesting to see the Japanese grasping to understand the irrational parts. They are fascinated by the ritual trappings and angel mythology, but I've never seen them cover transubstantiation. (The whole idea of eating the blood and body of your god sounds pretty disgusting).

    Yet there are Christians in Japan, just there are Mormons here, whom they could talk to and ask for clarification.

    I am frustrated and inconvenienced by some things that the Church of LDS has done. From what I can tell, it was founded much in the way that the Church of Scientology was founded. The question for me is not how it began, but what came of it.

    I am not so arrogant as to assume I know everything about Mormons, or that all Mormons are like their more extreme and appalling church members, any more than I assume all Christians are like Jerry Falwell or the pedophile priests who keep making the news.

    Some Mormon-bashing to me sounds like the same sort of dehumanizing critique that was levied by thoughtful Roman writers against Christians — whom they thought were cannibals, based on what they heard of communion — or like what has been said to justify the persecution of various marginalized religious groups.  It's all too common for the popular imagination to build up some lesser-known religion to be savage, creepy, weird, full of sinister cultists who venerate idols, have arcane rituals and/or perform live sacrifices. The truth is usually far more boring: a top layer of dysfunctional church politics and the usual mix of ordinary people following that faith and interpreting it in various ways.

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      passingthewordposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      This has nothing to do with what i believe. It is just Information that is not shared with anyone outside of church

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      Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I suppose in some respects your right, but a few questions need to be asked. The book itself may be interesting but what is more interesting is the story of where the book came from.

      1. Are they practicing anything thought to be illegal? Marrying children and polygamy is thought to be illegal in most countries.

      2. Are they taking advantage of weak minded people? Certainly. Not educating girls and marrying them off to old men is a cruel waist of a life.

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        Shanna11posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        M'kay. Mormon girl here to set the record straight.

        As an LDS (NOT FLDS) girl, I have yet to be married off to an older man. I have yet to become someone's 3rd or 4th wife and I also have yet to drop out of school and stop pursuing a double major/foreign language minor.

        Strangely enough, I really don't think any of those things will ever actually happen, either....

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          Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          You really don't think any of those things will actuarially happen. Sound like your not sure? Look I know we can't bunch everyone up into a nice tidy box. I do however find the finding and losing of the Gold plates suspect.

          As I asked before but didn't get a reply to, if I was to tell you that I was given platinum plated parchment scribes that I'm translating into a new book, but as I translate the scribes dissolve. Would you take my word that I'm being honest?

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            Shanna11posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            There was a healthy dose of sarcasm in that post. I know for sure.

            As for the rest of your diatribe, I really don't care. There's no use arguing, debating or even discussing things that I consider important with someone who just wants to scorn and pick a fight. Have a nice day.

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              Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Sorry, If you feel that way. I'm just trying to understand, all I did was ask a simple question.

            2. marbegay profile image61
              marbegayposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Shanna, it's easy to say that you do not want to discuss things that are important to you with others because you assume they want to pick a fight with you. To often this answer comes from people that simply do not know enough about their own religion or fear that the other person will try to destroy their faith.
              I would like to encourage you to read up and research the claims other people make that disturb you. Open your mind and think freely without fear. Knowledge truly frees people and you might find facts that will surprise you.
              Of course you can also choose to stay ignorant and tell people off when they are only trying make you see things from a different perspective.
              FYI - According to LDS teachings polygamy will be practiced in the celestial kingdom (D&C 131:1-4 and D&C 132:1, 6, 21). Those who won't will be damned according to Doctrine and Covenants.
              For more info also read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_ … t_polygamy
              http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/basi … 1_132.html
              And remember: "No one! It matters not how righteous they may have been, how intelligent or how well trained they are. No one will enter this highest glory unless he enters into the covenant, and this means the new and everlasting covenant of marriage.” ( “The Importance of Celestial Marriage,” Ensign, Oct. 1979, pp. 5–6 .)

        2. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image95
          Marcy Goodfleischposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          You said it, Shanna!  I'm not running around barefoot or in outdated Prairie dresses, either. I have an MA and a career, my own credit and own home. And I hear more women give talks in our church than in any other church I've ever attended.

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            passingthewordposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            do you really think that the all knowing God wont let one of his hard working God fearing man or woman into to heaven if that person forgets the handshake?

          2. marbegay profile image61
            marbegayposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Marcy, I aplaude your education and career! Unfortunately you are exceptional. Most women that go to BYU or other Universities never finish or major in Family Sciences and end up as stay-at-home moms with no degree or work experience.
            Yes, a lot of women give talks in the LDS Church but are not allowed to pray in General Conference (General Relief Society MEETING is not part of General Conference).
            I wanted to ask you if you are married.
            When I was endowed in a Mormon temple I bowed my head and covenanted to the Lord in front of witnesses and angels to obey my husband as long as he obeys the Lord. That make him superior to me, doesn't it?  We lived our lives by the Proclamation to the World: The Family, where it states that the man is the provider and the women the nurturer.
            If Mormons would only analyse their lives and their churches teachings with a honest heart they would not see the need to defend this organisation. To many times LDS members are lying for their religion without even knowing because they do not know enough about their own Church's history and teachings.

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              passingthewordposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              1 Corinthians 11:5
              But every woman that prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head: for that is one and the same as if she were shaven.

              I like this scripture because it shows that women are aloud to pray speak teach and prophicy in the church. But they must be covered... covered with what????? Covered with Christ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  5. xpressrite profile image60
    xpressriteposted 4 years ago

    All this dialog is interesting and actually kind of funny. Just so you non-mormons know. We got rid of our horns back when we were obliged to bring our faith to the Salt Lake valley to protect ourselves from mobbers and enjoy freedom of religion.  Our Temples are beautiful places to connect and get away from the rush of the world.  If you want to learn our history--then why don't you?  It's not on YouTube...

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      passingthewordposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      hello xpressrite. Just to let you know that i was a mormon for 18 years. The video is pretty accurate.
      Mormons also went to salt lake to enjoy and continue practicing polygamy and escape or avoiding going to jail.

    2. marbegay profile image61
      marbegayposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      If you only knew your own history you would have not said what you have said xpressrite. Most LDS members do not know their church's history well enough and when confronted with things they have never heard they assume it is anti or bashing. You may believe the LDS church is the only true church on the face of the earth but doing a little bit of research of Church history in the Church Archives will actually reveal things you have never known. Before you criticize people on what they have discovered about your religion do the reading first.

      1. xpressrite profile image60
        xpressriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Its BECAUSE I Do know our history, that I said what I said. You make too many assumptions about people and their choices. Maybe you should try to be a little more objective.  Signed A believer

      2. xpressrite profile image60
        xpressriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        For your information Marbebay. The only one making "assumptions" as you call them and criticizing as you called it is you also.  I have read it all many times.  I've been a Church librarian for 6 years!!   Maybe you should follow your own advice.  For someone who sounds like they know so much---

        1. marbegay profile image61
          marbegayposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Church librarian in your ward or in the church history building?

          1. xpressrite profile image60
            xpressriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Really???? So as far as you know--- they keep that stuff in the ward library??

            1. marbegay profile image61
              marbegayposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I have been a church librarian as well. I have read and am still reading and learning a lot about mormonism. Most of my information comes from searching lds.org but I also have read "Mormon Enigma; Emma Hale Smith" Emmas biography written by LDS Women and other statements of LDS leaders from the past and present. I am not as ignorant as you think I am. I guess you have no evidence or facts and ran out of things to say. I feel sorry for you but I encourage you to live your life the way it makes you happy! It is very hard to leave what you have believed in for many many years. It might give you a heart attack. One thing though if you want to discuss things with people who criticize the LDS church get informed first so you won't embarrasses yourself anymore.

              1. xpressrite profile image60
                xpressriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I certainly am living what makes me happy!
                It's hard to be embarrassed about something I love. Your the one without facts. Like I said. I've had access go all histories for 6 years

              2. xpressrite profile image60
                xpressriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Margebay,
                You mean you've been a Ward Librarian.
                   Not a Church Librarian.... You need a recommend to do that  Glad your still learning.....so

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                  passingthewordposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Soooo... Xpres can someone sneak into heaven if they now the hand shake? serial killers child molesters can they get to heaven if they know the handshake

              3. xpressrite profile image60
                xpressriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                So why fo you think you're the only one with facts...enlightening everyone?  Hasn't it occurred to you that you may be wrong.   If I was going to leave the Church(which I never would), the last thing it would be over is history.  My Faith is based on tried and true principles...like prayer, faith.  Histories are subject to interpretation .  Good luck to You. I guess you like neutral ground.

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                  passingthewordposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  My God is all might all knowing. He Is a spirit and he tells us to live in spirit and in truth. That where faith is believing in the spirit.
                  Those are my beliefs. Any more questions?
                  Just think of this. A mighty mighty mighty mighty god needing a handshake a name i order to let you into heaven. Think about it.
                  Plus if you read Revelation you will now that our new name will be God's beloved. Get it the marrige with Christ the marriage feast spoken of the end time. This just me sharing

              4. xpressrite profile image60
                xpressriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                So why fo you think you're the only one with facts...enlightening everyone?  Hasn't it occurred to you that you may be wrong.   If I was going to leave the Church(which I never would), the last thing it would be over is history.  My Faith is based on tried and true principles...like prayer, faith.  Histories are subject to interpretation .  Good luck to You. I guess you like neutral ground.

  6. xpressrite profile image60
    xpressriteposted 4 years ago

    Was......whew. I'd hate to think you still WERE and posted your movie. 

    Good luck Faith-Bashing

    In the meantime "traffic's up.

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      passingthewordposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      ?
      Do you believe the All Mighty God is not going to let his true believes in heaven because they my have forgoten  a hand shake?
      and know everyone knows the handshake. does this mean that people can fool God and enter heaven because they know the "handshake" ?
      faith bashing..... no
      cult revealing.... yes

  7. xpressrite profile image60
    xpressriteposted 4 years ago

    Oh..so now you're putting words in my mouth?   
    Seems like it's your question and your answer

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      passingthewordposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      No words in the mouth... just a question to you.
      Do you have an answer or a belief on this question?

      1. xpressrite profile image60
        xpressriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        My answer is "I don't know".  But here's a question for you-  how do you fool  God

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          passingthewordposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          You can't!!! He is all knowing right?
          That's why I am saying that God does not need a handshake, a secret name. He knows his children and his children know him.
          I know you think your god is from the planet kolab. but my God is everlasting all knowing holy and mighty.

  8. psycheskinner profile image81
    psycheskinnerposted 4 years ago

    Everyone believes some stuff that is objectively ridiculous, myself included.

    It is part of being a human being.

    1. marbegay profile image61
      marbegayposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Actually you have a choice you can believe in ridiculous things or science. True as humans we often want to believe some romantic story or fairytale but the problem is that fantasies develop into different religious groups and create hate and discrimination among humans.

  9. xpressrite profile image60
    xpressriteposted 4 years ago

    For your information Marbebay. The only one making "assumptions" as you call them and criticizing as you called it is you also.  I have read it all many times.  I've been a Church librarian for 6 years!!   Maybe you should follow your own advice.  For someone who sounds like they know so much---

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      passingthewordposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Hey xpressrite..... Say Jeffery Domer of Osama Bin Laden knew the hand shake. Would God let them into heaven?

    2. marbegay profile image61
      marbegayposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      PS: handing out materials and crayons doesn't make one a scholar in anything even if it was for 6 years. Not until you have actually read the real history from the history books (not manuals where you can only read bias excerpts) you know history. Biographies of early saints like Emma would be a good start. smile

      1. xpressrite profile image60
        xpressriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Oh yeah. Emma..the Mormon Enigma".  Not my idea of a Great start.  LOL
        May be you ought to start researching some authors and their SOURCES

        A Better Read is by Younggreen. He's her descendant. And what does crayons have to do with this ????

  10. Onusonus profile image85
    Onusonusposted 4 years ago

    More anti Mormon propaganda PTW? I guess secret handshakes are a little obscure to the rest of the bible believing world. Not the norm like, say, circumcision, or animal sacrifice. God certainly asks his people to do things that might sound a little uncouth to outsiders at times. None the less it's Gods wisdom you yours.

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      passingthewordposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      You with that anti word. I told you that i the bible it is used as "instead of or substitute for Christ" so your saying substitute Mormon?
      How is it propaganda when all i sharing is the  truth

      1. Onusonus profile image85
        Onusonusposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Your purpose is to sensationalize by exaggerating the facts or presenting them in a negative light in order to convince others that Mormons are wrong and you are right, (even though nobody has any idea what you believe, except that Mormons are wrong). And in the English dictionary "anti" means one that is opposed. Eg. antisemitic, anti-government, etc..

  11. xpressrite profile image60
    xpressriteposted 4 years ago

    Amen!!

  12. Eaglekiwi profile image72
    Eaglekiwiposted 4 years ago

    Like the freemasons cloaked in secrecy...who are supposed to be also religious..lol no wonder God had abhorence for 'the religious"  Christ  openly rebuked their religious spirit and lofty arrogance.

    1. Onusonus profile image85
      Onusonusposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Christ also established a church, with Deacons, teachers, priests, elders, apostles, and seventies.

      1. marbegay profile image61
        marbegayposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        and who really wrote the bible? google it!

        1. Onusonus profile image85
          Onusonusposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Lots of people wrote the Bible over thousands of years. And it is the only book that contains a written historical account of Christ. So without it you would know absolutely nothing about him.

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            passingthewordposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Onus.... long time. Maybe I could ask you this question. Would God let Jeffrey domers or Osama bin Laden Into heaven if they know the secret handshake? I know it would you let me into the Celestial Kingdom?

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              passingthewordposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Do you have answer or comment , or do you want to continue to ignore me?

              1. Onusonus profile image85
                Onusonusposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                D&C 22

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                  passingthewordposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Soooo. Where does the hand shake come in?

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                  passingthewordposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Soooo. Where does the hand shake come in?

      2. Eaglekiwi profile image72
        Eaglekiwiposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Christ openly rebuked anything done in secret,and abhorred the rank system many religious churches followed and still do.

        That is why when he died on that cross ,the curtains in the temple were torn, demonstrating that his people were to become one.......no high priests ,no more secrecy., no more hypocrisy....all of his children were to be equal and to follow the same rules etc.

        http://www.gotquestions.org/temple-veil-torn.html


        What significance does this torn veil have for us today? Above all, the tearing of the veil at the moment of Jesus' death dramatically symbolized that His sacrifice, the shedding of His own blood, was a sufficient atonement for sins. It signified that now the way into the Holy of Holies was open for all people, for all time, both Jew and Gentile.

        When Jesus died, the veil was torn, and God moved out of that place never again to dwell in a temple made with hands (Acts 17:24). God was through with that temple and its religious system, and the temple and Jerusalem were left “desolate” (destroyed by the Romans) in A.D. 70, just as Jesus prophesied in Luke 13:35. As long as the temple stood, it signified the continuation of the Old Covenant. Hebrews 9:8-9 refers to the age that was passing away as the new covenant was being established (Hebrews 8:13).

        In a sense, the veil was symbolic of Christ Himself as the only way to the Father (John 14:6). This is indicated by the fact that the high priest had to enter the Holy of Holies through the veil. Now Christ is our superior High Priest, and as believers in His finished work, we partake of His better priesthood. We can now enter the Holy of Holies through Him. Hebrews 10:19-20 says that the faithful enter into the sanctuary by the “blood of Jesus, by the new and living way which he opened for us through the veil, that is, through his flesh.” Here we see the image of Jesus’ flesh being torn for us just as He was tearing the veil for us.

        The veil being torn from top to bottom is a fact of history. The profound significance of this event is explained in glorious detail in Hebrews. The things of the temple were shadows of things to come, and they all ultimately point us to Jesus Christ. He was the veil to the Holy of Holies, and through His death the faithful now have free access to God.

        Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/temple-veil … z2NBWK0fMI

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          passingthewordposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          The scripture you shared means nothing to them. If it contradicts what they believe, they believe it was translated incorrectly or it was corrupted teaching that was put in the bible. This church is good at brainwashing there people to think whatever they want them to think..

        2. Onusonus profile image85
          Onusonusposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Ephesians 4:11 "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:"
          How can you say that he abhorred a ranking system when he obviously created one? He created the church from the beginning (John 1:1), and reorganized it during his earthly ministry (Matthew 16:18), he commanded the people to keep the Sabbath day holy (Exodus 20:8), he established a system of tithes and offerings and upheld that law during his ministry (Matthew 8: 3)

  13. marbegay profile image61
    marbegayposted 4 years ago

    You are not worth my time!  You join discussion with the intent to insult people not contribute to it with facts and actual knowledge. Get a life!

    1. Onusonus profile image85
      Onusonusposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      That pretty much describes the OP to a tee.

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        passingthewordposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Since you want to ignore my other comment. Let me make this comment In the New Testament" New Testament" says that leaders of the church should be the husband of 1 woman I guess Joseph Smith did not want to follow that law and even changed it in his book the book Mormon

        1. xpressrite profile image60
          xpressriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Wrong again. Try reading. The book of Jacob in the Book of Mormon.   1 man. 1 women.   You really have things mixed up or you really haven't read it ... Or you didn't pay too much attention.
            Jesus was a Hebrew and a rabbi.  You might find out one day ... That he had more than one wife. So......I imagine he Christ knows  how to run his kingdom.

        2. Onusonus profile image85
          Onusonusposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Sometimes God sanctions polygamy. Can you deny that Biblically? Nope.

          1. xpressrite profile image60
            xpressriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Yes...I agree with onusonus.   Like I said or opus.  It has been practiced. But not in the Book of Mormon

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              passingthewordposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Your a trooper... willing to be shared for all of eternity... alright.

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              Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              By the writer of the book of Mormon?

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            passingthewordposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Onus... can you deny that the new testament says you can t lead a church and have many wives. Can you deny that? Nope

            1. Onusonus profile image85
              Onusonusposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Have you ever heard that God made a "new and everlasting covenant" when he reestablished his church through his prophet Joseph Smith? New dispensation, more guidance from prophets, more revelations from Jesus Christ.
              Why weren't the Jews allowed to eat pork, and now it's ok for followers of Jesus Christ to do so? It's the same God giving new instruction to his people.

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                passingthewordposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                for one Jesus establish the church that no one can destroy not even Satan. two. where does it say that we can eat swine? if your talking about the pigs that peter saw. the swine represented the gentle.. telling peter that all can be saved . and to teach the gentle the word of God..

                1. Onusonus profile image85
                  Onusonusposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  So you are saying that Christians are supposed to be following the Mosaic dietary laws. I disagree. Although I agree that the symbolism of the swine in Peters dream represents the gospel being preached to the gentiles I also believe that the Scriptures are infinitely deep with wisdom. There is no single interpretation to many of the passages written through Gods prophets.
                  As was stated by Paul to the Romans; "O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!"
                  Clearly it can be argued that the wisdom and statutes of God are greater than that of mankind, and to assert that there is a single man made interpretation of his words without allowing a single other interpretation is immensely shortsighted, and undermines the efforts of every church and Christ centered institution that has risen out of his teachings since the deaths of his original apostles.

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                    passingthewordposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    1. Follow the Mosaic law? Who said that?
                    2. You always change your mind. First you say "Why weren't the Jews allowed to eat pork, and now it's ok for followers of Jesus Christ to do so? It's the same God giving new instruction to his people." But know you changed your mind? You and the Mormons always do that.
                    3.Your statement on "There is no single interpretation"  this statement is where cults come from. Hence Mormon! God's Word is unchangeable. Matt 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. .
                    Ps 119:89 For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven. .
                    He gave us the bible, The knowledge that he wanted us to know. Like the word Revelation (to reveal)
                    All This extra stuff that the book of Mormon adds is exactly what God meant when he said don’t add to my words.
                    Everything else you said, I don’t know you lost me.

 
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