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Where did all the (HubPages) Pro-atheists retire?

  1. God shet profile image60
    God shetposted 24 months ago

    What a joke! I returned here to fight (have a chat?!!) with them, and lo - they're all gone! (excepting a few, of course). What happens here?

    1. Lucid Psyche profile image60
      Lucid Psycheposted 24 months ago in reply to this

      Atheism has lost it's scientific underpinnings and is philosophically bankrupt. Atheism has also turned out to have just as many frauds, psychopaths, and careerists as religion does.  It stands to reason that as people become more tuned in to the foibles and shortcomings of adamant atheists they will lose interest in identifying themselves as such.
      That may or may not be the reason for the attrition of Hubpages atheists if such is the case (I've encountered relatively few here myself).  Speaking as a former YouTube atheist I found that my position became untenable in that I had to purposefully ignore a landslide of damaging evidence and give the false appearance of being unperturbed by it all.

      1. janesix profile image61
        janesixposted 24 months ago in reply to this

        "Atheism has lost it's scientific underpinnings and is philosophically bankrupt." What is the atheist philosophy?

        "Atheism has also turned out to have just as many frauds, psychopaths, and careerists as religion does." I understand the careerists, but I would like you to name some frauds and psychopaths.

          It stands to reason that as people become more tuned in to the foibles and shortcomings of adamant atheists they will lose interest in identifying themselves as such.
        That may or may not be the reason for the attrition of Hubpages atheists if such is the case (I've encountered relatively few here myself).  Speaking as a former YouTube atheist I found that my position became untenable in that I had to purposefully ignore a landslide of damaging evidence and give the false appearance of being unperturbed by it all.

        1. Lucid Psyche profile image60
          Lucid Psycheposted 24 months ago in reply to this

          "What is the atheist philosophy?"

          I said that atheism is philosophically bankrupt. The opening gambit when someone attacks atheism from a superior philosophical vantage is to claim that atheism is not a philosophy. Without a philosophy to support it's assumption(s) atheism has no fundamental basis to claim that it is correct. But Naturalism (which is atheism's  foundational philosophy) is extremely vulnerable to rational attack. Not a pretty situation. All you can do is stall.

          "I understand the careerists, but I would like you to name some frauds and psychopaths."

          Start with James Randi, an honest look at his career should ring all the bells.

          1. wilderness profile image95
            wildernessposted 24 months ago in reply to this

            OK - what "assumptions" do atheists make?

            And what "rational attack" is possible on Naturalism, even though that is not the atheist philosophy?

            1. Lucid Psyche profile image60
              Lucid Psycheposted 24 months ago in reply to this

              "OK - what "assumptions" do atheists make?"

              That Naturalism is true. You will find that they have this in common even though when pressed some or most will try to evade.

              "And what "rational attack" is possible on Naturalism...?"

              I assume you were present for our past discussions? Naturalism is self annihilating as I've explained. Would you like a copy and paste our would you prefer to look for yourself?

              " ... even though that is not the atheist philosophy?"

              That's the party line (LOL) ... but let's assume it's true. As I said earlier in this conversation, "Without a philosophy to support it's assumption(s) atheism has no fundamental basis to claim that it is correct." And since there is no proof that God does not exist and in fact there is plentiful evidence to contravene that "lack of belief" (LOL) ... it is an assumption. Do atheists claim they are correct? The ones I know do!
              The only possible fact is that they have a lack of belief. The currently accepted definition of atheism is a legalistic evasion precisely because of it's inherent vulnerability.

              1. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 24 months ago in reply to this

                Naturalism: the concept that things we can see exist.  That the natural laws we investigate are pretty much correct.  No "assumption" necessary as all are thoroughly tested and checked. 

                No, there is no "self annihilation" as tests show the concept is correct, and no "philosophy" needed to corroborate those tests.

                No reasonable atheist will claim there is no god; that is primarily a tactic of believers to discredit the atheist, but one without basis in fact (although there ARE atheists foolish enough to make the claim, just as there are believers to claim the opposite without proof).  Zero evidence that there is a god has ever been produced; just philosophy that cannot be verified as true.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image25
                  Castlepalomaposted 24 months ago in reply to this

                  To be an atheist, don't you have to know there is no god, or your an agnostic? OR  be 99% sure that god dose not exist like world champion atheist R Dawkins. Who in this world knows the 99% unknowns?

                2. Lucid Psyche profile image60
                  Lucid Psycheposted 24 months ago in reply to this

                  "Naturalism: the concept that things we can see exist.  That the natural laws we investigate are pretty much correct.  No "assumption" necessary as all are thoroughly tested and checked."

                  Naturalism is the concept that only the "natural" realm exists. As I've proven in earlier posts that is incorrect. Again ... you were present for those discussions.

                  "No reasonable atheist will claim there is no god; that is primarily a tactic of believers to discredit the atheist ..."
                  The original definition was changed from a belief that there is no God to a "lack of belief". That is a evasion on the part of the atheist because they were getting hammered by evidence to the contrary. Look at the word itself and research it's origins. A - theist.

                  1. wilderness profile image95
                    wildernessposted 24 months ago in reply to this

                    You have never "proven" anything of the sort (that there are other realms besides the natural one).  You've made the claim, but have totally failed to provide even a shred of evidence outside of opinions unsupported by anything at all.

                    I know the listed origins, and even agree with them.  The definition USED to be a belief there is no god (why I never classified myself as an atheist), but it has changed.  Words do that, you know.

                    If you wish to use the older definition it would be wise to make that clear; that you are using outdated language which does not have the same definition today as the one you wish to use.  It would be even wiser to resist making such claims as that there is evidence of a god - as there isn't any whatsoever, it makes the statement completely false and calls your credibility into question.

      2. A Thousand Words profile image80
        A Thousand Wordsposted 24 months ago in reply to this

        Actually, I agree with psyche. We just got bored. wink

      3. God shet profile image60
        God shetposted 24 months ago in reply to this

        +!!

    2. A Thousand Words profile image80
      A Thousand Wordsposted 24 months ago in reply to this

      To be honest, I got busy. Although, I don't know if I technically count because I'm not an Atheist if you define them as people who deny the existence of a God or Gods or some kind of transcendent and ever-pervasive "invisible" source of life without reason and contrary to any actual evidence that might point towards the existence of such entities. If however, you define an Atheist as someone who does not definitely believe in these things because there is no sound evidence (but are open to the idea of such entities and may or may not have opinions that aren't considered fact), then I am an Atheist. And I have simply gotten busy. Just earned my Bachelors, got a new job, got a new boyfriend (well he's not new anymore), and I'm about to start a graduate program. So I don't have much free time. I also agree with psyche because it does get boring having circular arguments with people that literally never to anywhere. But I've come to accept that (and I think a lot of us have) so there's seldom a need for such conversations, though I do pop up in the forums every once in a while.

  2. psycheskinner profile image82
    psycheskinnerposted 24 months ago

    We got bored.

  3. psycheskinner profile image82
    psycheskinnerposted 24 months ago

    I identify myself very clearly as atheist when it is relevant to do so. 
    I just got sick of having the same discussion over and over again.

  4. Oztinato profile image82
    Oztinatoposted 24 months ago

    Thousand
    that's complicated. You are obviously an agnostic. Why then cling to the word atheist? For what reason? You are a straightforward garden variety meat and potatoes agnostic. Its ok.

    1. A Thousand Words profile image80
      A Thousand Wordsposted 24 months ago in reply to this

      Actually, there are few labels that I "cling" to, but technically any agnostic is by default an atheist. People often use the word "agnostic" when they mean to use the term "deist," who is a person that believes in some kind of higher power, though may not believe any specific one and/or they may not adhere to any specific religion. I do not necessarily fall in that category, because I have opinions but no real "beliefs."

  5. Castlepaloma profile image25
    Castlepalomaposted 24 months ago

    Being spirtual sided, it seem, I don't fit in on either oneside Christians or Atheists extremes. How onesided of any group can claim to narrowly know the 99% unknown is beyond me. Love the World, nature, people, so must try to understand people. Must say, it's much easier to get along with my vetern artists and close friends than trying to question why they hang on to these ultimate core beliefs or ways of thinking.

  6. God shet profile image60
    God shetposted 24 months ago

    What a contribution to humanity!

 
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