No man cometh unto the Father but by me.

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   gonzo62003posted 14 years ago

   "Praise the Lord!"  I would just like to say that in this world it can be really easy to just forget what Jesus has done for us.
   While we were yet sinners..He shed his blood,gave us forgiveness,and grace...maybe just maybe we should depend on those things and not depend on ourselves so much.  Have a gr888 day!

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      glendoncabaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you.

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      mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Krishna says the same thing in the Holy Bhagwat Gita.
      What the masters mean is the way to god requires one pointed concentration.

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      atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Amen!!!!
      God is most awesome!
      Keep that zeal and ferver!
      Praise His holy name forever!!!!

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         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         
         
         And scream it at all those who think it is a load of old cobblers!!!

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            atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            was I responding to you?
            I think not
            You are the one following and screaming earnest

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               earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Been here on and off all day. Don;t think so! Just responding to the usual zealots who own the truth!

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                  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  And why do you feel such necessity do so?
                  What makes you so happy to do such things?
                  Do you feel proud of yourself having word battles with believers?
                  Does it make you feel more important to yourself? Or others?
                  Does it make you more of a man?
                  Do you see or have you ever seen me going onto an atheist related thread and responding?
                  Maybe thats because Im not interested in those subjects. I do not have a cause to belittle what others believe. Maybe I have chosen to stay in the realm of the christian threads to support other believers and have discussion about my beliefs rather than doing that.
                  But thats me.

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                     earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     i feel it necessary to say something about superstitious nonsense wherever it is, if it is harmful to people.
                     Your exclusive club religion excludes everyone who does not believe as you do. You and others like you have no support for your assertions.
                     Not one spot of proof of what you call the truth has been found.
                     Medical science along with the other sciences make a mockery of your beliefs daily, but you never read any of it because it does not agree with a 2,000 year old myth that you and your like cannot follow, whch is why you try to stuff people full of this crap. you don't believe it yourself! "Thou protesteth too much!" 

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                        atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        So you earnest feel it is necessary to be the "hero" and rescue the topic of discussion?
                        LOL
                        I sense an ego trip all the way there.
                        funny, I dont see you jumping over to the paganism and witchcraft threads then? They do have some negative connotations attached to their beliefs no? I mean people who have taken it so far as to sacrifice humans, raping women, etc. Not all grant it, but some yes?
                        Why not rescue them earnest?
                        
                        I think its because you choose to come in here on these threads because it fuels your own ego to think yourself so superior unlike us believers. To assert yourself so high above us in your perceived notions of your truth and logic.
                        You too are being hypocritical in those assertions.
                        I can see it even in this post of yours.
                        Same rhetoric over and over.
                        Do you not see that in yourself?, in your statements?
                        You blame us for the very same thing you are doing, only on the other side of belief.

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                           earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           My beliefs are my own. I do not feel the need to make threads about my beliefs, I put them in hubs.
                           I know of nothing more dangerous than religious myths. The early indoctrination of children is criminal in my view.
                           
                           It is not I who stated that I had the truth and others were going to hell, it was you.
                           I have no ego reasons for posting. I post facts. Provable facts, that pass scientific scrutiny and are fairly believable and as much truth as we have today, all normal stuff, no need for ego.
                           It is tremendously egotistical of you however, to assume what you do with no evidence to support it and then expect it to be read as fact.

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                              atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              No you do not make threads about your beliefs that I have read as of yet, but you do respond to hundreds of times I might add with your beliefs. Spreading "your garbage" around as you have accused me of doing, and making sure your words are read. With no evidence to support your belief that there is no God. No evidence to support your belief the Bible is not all truth.
                              And if science has proven either of these, show everyone.
                              oh yeah thats right, they haven't. awwww too bad for you huh?

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                                 earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 You don't even need to move off hubpages to find hundreds of examples of scientifically proven evidence against your beliefs.
                                 Wordscribe and Mark Knowles as well as myself have provided dozens of them. Not one religionist read them and came back with any comment.
                                 That is just a weak lie. You do not read it!

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                                    atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    Though I do not take that word "religionist" to heart, I will say that as a believer I have responded to all three of you. And this may surprise to read earnest, but most of evidence science has come up with I agree with, just not the conclusions YOU attach to that evidence.
                                    Please earnest, do show a document which has proven that God does not exist.
                                    You cannot.
                                    Yet you assert that is the case.
                                    You look at acientific evidence and say, see this negates you god, your beliefs. But I assert to the contrary.
                                    There are many scientists who study the evidence, perform experiments and come to a different conclusion than you or Mark or Wordscribe.
                                    We just all have a difference in opinion based on what we view. My brother is math and science double major. He is also a born again christian.
                                    He studies the evidence in the same way just draws a different conclusion from it.
                                    
                                    The mathematical probabilities outweigh the evidence. And the probability models show it is mathematically impossible for creation to have started from random event.
                                    It is however taken into other models certain that a creator, an intelligent designer must have created the universe. How do you explain this?
                                    Do you argue with the probability math of science? Are you choosing to ignore it to further your own belief system?

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                                       UpHisAssposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       This is superb. If I was not a member of your fan club I would rejoin. Fantastic.
                                       
                                       There is indeed mathematical proof that a creator is most likely, and further proof that the christian god is 97% more likely to be true than the Bakuba people's god.
                                       
                                       "The mathematical probabilities outweigh the evidence." Wonderful stuff. Perhaps you could share the mathematics with us and prove to them that we are right - once and for all. Then perhaps we can stop all this conflict.
                                       
                                       Once again - well done. Superb debating skills. I don't know how you do it. Fantastic !

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                                          tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                            and both of you should be in TV . In some sitcom Friday nights !

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                                 UpHisAssposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 Yes, yes. Ridicule them. Masterful. We do not need to prove anything. The bible is true. Everyone knows this. Anyone who does not believe it - must have proof that it is not - otherwise it is clear the bible is true. TRUTH needs no proof.
                                 
                                 Excellent work atomswifey. Unassailable logic. Very well done indeed.  Congratulations on winning this fight. I have joined your fan club in admiration.

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   aoiffe379posted 14 years ago

   Hallelujah! The people who do not remember the benefits we receive of God forget what he has done through redemptions. I will never forget.Apparently God has given you a zeal too. Isn't God awesome!

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   gonzo62003posted 14 years ago

   Thank you my friend for your response. "In these last days we will see who is the wheat and who is the chaff!"  There is nothing wrong with storing up in heaven those riches which cannot be corrupted.

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      tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I didn't know  heaven was a storage !

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         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         You know tantrum, in the sky. Plenty of room.

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            tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            For suns and planets, but for riches I doubt it. But of course in these beliefs you can believe anything I gather.

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               earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Yep! And a fresh interpretation will solve any logistical problems!

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   Pr0metheusposted 14 years ago

   I highly doubt he actually said that.  Yay for human interpretation, lust for power, and need for governing laws!

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      earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      The whole bible thing is controlling and sexist.

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   gonzo62003posted 14 years ago

   "You hide ur eyes but they are big and your heart is even bigger. You cover your ears but they can hear even what most humans cannot and only wish they could." "Have a super day!"

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   Mishaposted 14 years ago

   Uh-oh, we got a new nut on the block

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      earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      They find their way to the thread through the name I guess.

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   gonzo62003posted 14 years ago

   Humans have a saying that goes like this "Sometime you feel like a nut sometimes you don't." Wouldn't it be gr8 to know your in charge at all times but at the same time your not.??

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      torimariposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      It would be gr8 and impossible at the same time!

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      tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Really?? Which humans ? Maybe from another planet

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      dutchman1951posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      This is not a Human saying it was an advertising solgan for Hershey Chocolate bars with almonds and bars without. back in the 50's and 60"s. A slogan song on TV from an add campagin!...good grief!
      
      It had to do with selling candy! not with religious philosophy.
      Although Chocolate could be a religion~!....lol

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         tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Sweet Lord

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   Mishaposted 14 years ago

   I take it you are not human, right?

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   TMinutposted 14 years ago

   gonzo, what do you think it actually means, "...BY me"? If I say I went to my boss by John, what would that mean? It doesn't make sense in English really so I'm just wondering. I know it's usually explained by a whole doctrine of original sin, atonement, reconciliation, all that, but I don't really see it. Not saying I don't believe that doctrine, I'm just saying I don't see how that comes out of what he said himself.
   
   So what do you think coming to one person by another means? Have you read the "original" language?

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    gonzo62003posted 14 years ago

    True my friend, but isn't it what they called all Christians from the start Nuts,Zealots,Bewitched,etc.etc.etc.

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    No, that sounds more like what so called Christians say about others when ramming scripture down their necks!

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    TMinutposted 14 years ago

    Never mind gonzo, i wrote a blog post about it instead. Little bit of research made a big difference, I hadn't realized the usual understanding of it bothered me so much.

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    TMinutposted 14 years ago

    What do you mean, "one pointed concentration"? Do you mean to make that the one most important focus of your life?

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       mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       "When they eye be single" Jesus
       "Seven breaths of one pointed concentration will get one enlightened " Patanjali
       
       Yes its is very important, the way to god.

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    gonzo62003posted 14 years ago

    "Good Morning my friend!" Peace to you, I hope you have a grr888 day. My day is just beginning its 4:29am Take Care

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       atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       thank you and good morning It's 5:32am here

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          earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          You two get up that early    to flog religion on forum posts? Gettoutahere!!

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    You have read selectively if at all. The points you make have all been covered.

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    I'd watch it!

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       tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I'm beginning to write now, with all this material ,it's going to be easy. A piece of cake !!

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    atomswifeyposted 14 years ago

    Before I go into some of the proof you seek Mark and earnest, I think its important for you to calculate the probability that you are responding with hundreds and hundreds of posts if not thousands purely to demonstrate your caring nature in trying to help all of us poor delusional people to look at your "truth".
    
    Once having done that, look at the probability of your creator trying to do the same thing to you and for the same reason. maybe that is why you are really in here night after night, day after day and going to such lengths, even being incognito (Mark), and this could be because deep down you seek to have an answer to your own questions about your own beliefs. That you fight and fight to prove your own conclusions correct without science being able to prove them for you.
    Science provides evidence, you draw your own conclusions. Science has not and will not prove your conclusions and that is what is eating at you. And why I believe you come into the christian forums and debate with us.
    Leaning on your own understanding and not Gods. Because you know very well, if you did that, you would be responsible to Him. And that is the real concept you refuse to accept.
    
    Just one of dozens of sites I find interesting...
    http://www.doesgodexist.org/
    
    The following excerpt was taken from http://www.doesgodexist.org/AboutClayton/PastLife.html
    
    This man was an atheist born and raised...
    
    My high school career was one in which I grew quite rapidly academically. I enjoyed science and decided that I wanted to be a scientist of some kind. I entered Indiana University majoring in the field of physical science. It was actually at this point that one of the great changes that occurred in my life took place. I enrolled in a course in astronomy at the feet of one of the great astronomers of our day. In that particular course, we were studying the problem of origins--the creation of matter from nothing. As we discussed this particular subject, we went into all those theories that are in that particular material. We talked about the big-bang theory, the quasistatal theory, the continuous generation theory, the planetessimal theory, etc.
    
    When we got to the conclusion of that discussion, I asked the professor which of the particular theories was the one that is most acceptable and that satisfactorily explains the creation of matter from nothing. He leaned over the desk and looked me straight in the eye and said, "Young man, you need to learn to ask intelligent questions." That rather upset me. I did not appreciate that and I said, "Well, what do you mean?" He said, "This is not a question that a scientist tries to answer. This is a question for the philosopher or theologian, but this is not something that falls into the realm of science." In today's discussions of black holes and parallel universes, things have not changed. The basic question of the creation of matter/energy from absolutely nothing is not an area that can be scientifically explored. I was very disturbed by that answer. I had always felt that science could ultimately answer all the questions that man had--that there was nothing that science could not eventually take care of as far as what man might challenge and want to know about. Yet this learned man, an expert in his field, said that this was an area that the scientist should not even try to answer--that it was totally beyond the capacity of science to explain and explore.

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       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       OMG! You know how many times we have all seen that! It is primarily nonsensical.
       
       Evidence abounds to disprove the unprovable bible and it's many religions as I stated, read Hawkins, read todays science, don't just stick with what some guy told you, open your mind to what is happening right now.

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          atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I think its important for you to calculate the probability that you are responding with hundreds and hundreds of posts if not thousands purely to demonstrate your caring nature in trying to help all of us poor delusional people to look at your "truth".
          
          Once having done that, look at the probability of your creator trying to do the same thing to you and for the same reason.

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    tantrumposted 14 years ago

    @atomswifey
    
    Open your mind! It's not going to hurt !!

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       atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       @Tantrum:[/url]
       
       Open your Heart, it's not going to hurt !!

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          tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Use your sense of humor more, atomswifey and less Bible quotes. Pleaseeee !!!!

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             atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             I quoted one verse tantrum as it could very well relate to our discussion on the big bang theory

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                tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Quoted here then. But only one!

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    No bible quotes, no "proof" She has nothing else to offer.

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       tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       She can offer sense of humour. I hope she does ! for the sake of everybody

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    atomswifeyposted 14 years ago

    And yes I have a sense of humor
    
    Moses, Jesus and an old man are golfing. Moses steps up to the tee and hits the ball. It goes sailing over the fairway and lands in the water trap.
    Moses parts the water and chips the ball onto the green.
    
    Jesus steps up to the tee and hits the ball. It goes sailing over the fairway and lands in the water trap. Jesus just walks on the water and chips the ball onto the green.
    
    The old man steps up to the tee and hits the ball. It goes sailing over the fairway and heads for the water trap. But, just before it falls into the water, a fish jumps up and grabs the ball in its mouth.
    As the fish is falling back down into the water, an eagle swoops down and grabs the fish in its claws. The eagle flies over the green where a lightning bolt shoots from the sky and barely misses it.
    Startled, the eagle drops the fish. When the fish hits the ground, the ball pops out of its mouth and rolls into the hole for a hole-in-one!
    Jesus then turns to the old man and says, "Dad, if you don't stop
    fooling around, we aren't bringing you any more!."
    
    another
    This was posted on a church bulletin:
    
    At the evening service tonight, the sermon topic will be "What is Hell?" Come early and listen to our choir practice.
    

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    tantrumposted 14 years ago

    Not only a sitcom. a stand up comedian as well

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