Maybe seeing my God-faring mother breaking her heart when she lost her 18 year old son in an accident at sea? What kind of God would do that to a good woman? My brother was a great guy too- not one of the layabout types, not into drugs or beating people up. After that especially, I had no time for God or church. I continue to lead my life according to the commandments because I was brought up that way and think the 10 commandments are basically good but more and more I think religion is he cause of nearly all the grief and wars in this world - well that and oil!
Um because there are hundreds of forum posts already stating that answer repeatedly. There are answered prayers, raised that way, realised I was a sinner and gave my life to God, found God in jail, etc. I'm not really that interested in why. I'm interested in why not anymore?
I think that we can have faith without being subjected to the divisions created by denominations. Each denomination intentionaly interpretates scripture in order to make theirs "Seem" special. Their truth is the only absolute truth. Too many denominations too many interpretations in which truth is lost. I don't think that God ever wanted denominations of Religion. And the way in which Religion was established; division was ineviadable.
I agree that you should be able to have that faith without choosing a denomination, but it seems that other people don't allow that. Everyone seems to want everyone else to pick a side so they know if you are safe and one of them or not.
And then I started truly learning, studying, analyzing, and understanding.
My children and I live our lives in a way we believe is fundamentally "good" and "right."
This is an interesting thread; I've been pre-writing (in my head) a hub about the 10 Commandments and how, if the entire world JUST followed them -- and nothing else -- what a different (better) world it would be.
For those who DO follow a particular religion, "faith" is always going to be the answer for why they do it. I, too, have faith -- it's just a different kind with a different placement.
I'm so glad you posted, Jean! I clearly forgot the 10 commandments! I kept thinking, "The 'no molest' thing or the 'no beating' thing is covered by one of the ten.." But, you're right; it's not. In fact, I have somehow in my years since formal religion completely forgotten what the 10 C's actually said.
I take back what I said. LOL. We need NEW basic rules that cover it all. Like, "Honor your fellow man." Like, the Golden Rule. Like, "Unto you shall come the fruit of the seed that you plant; Make sure it's not poison ivy seed!" Things like that.
There is no truth in religious way. Religion assumes god's position, views in one view and contradicts by saying god is beyond logic. Free-will if exist then it falls in set of known values that god decides for his creation if he's omnipotent/all-knowing. "All-knowing" destroys the free-will of any of his creation, any action god's loving creation makes then it falls within known set of actions.
Thats right! Thats why you have a right to choose. When you came to earth you had already acepted his plan or you would not be here. You were put on earth to prove your loyalty or faith without having God stand over top of you. Lets face it it would be easy to believe if you could see God or sit next to him. These are known as estates, first and second. Accept the plan put forth by Jesus and accepted by God first estate, prove your faith without having to see God.
here we go again but this time your way, if i accepted what is plan then there is no free-will in my current actions. And i don't need jesus either cause if i made pre-paid plan with god then no matter what i choose god can divert me to him, it's like rat in maze any choice rat makes end up with one possible road. But is this case here ? No. why should i waste my time on jesus and Christianity if all-loving omnipotent god can rewrite plan for me and divert me ? sorry, if that entity wants me then he don't need me to do anything so accepting and preaching Christianity for him makes no sense. it's just another political-emotional stunt to keep blinded with faith which is not needed.
Pretty sure Jeebus would have been classed as a liberal. Hanging out with prostitutes and turning the other cheek. I know you are not a big fan of that sort of stuff though - are you? Turn the other cheek - then it is on.
Yet still you call yourself a Kristian. How does that work exactly?
I'm glad you asked! Well it all began in a cabin, in the woods, on an island, surrounded by water, in a country, cold and warm, rainy but not too rainy, just south of north and east of west. Majical things happen here that only fairies and unicorns would understand. Father into the woods lived the trolls and orgres and theres the problem. The TO's loved themselves so much that they we're totally independent of God the universe and everything. The problem was that the TO's were really faries, you know the other kind, and they hated the the FU's! The FU's loved everyone and that really made the TO's mad because they only had love for themselves. The TO's cried and protested over the injustice and surrounded the cabin! The TO's demanded to know who's inside so they yelled who's in there and the FU's replied FU! This went on for days without end until it ended. Then out came the head fairy and hit the TO's with his magic stick and there heads turned to wood, not that one the one on top! The TO's ran away and since their heads were wood they ran into trees and each other. It was a horrible noise very similar to rap music. The moral of the story is when you hear FU just leave don't make the King of the fairies mad or they'll turn your head into woodpecker food, thats right and nobody likes a peckerwood.
I got past those. It's the following that I can't get past. Could you please explain your bloodthirsty genocidal God?:
If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother, and his blood will be on his own head.
10 “ ‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
11 “ ‘If a man sleeps with his father’s wife, he has dishonored his father. Both the man and the woman must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
12 “ ‘If a man sleeps with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads.
13 “ ‘If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
14 “ ‘If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both he and they must be burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be among you.
15 “ ‘If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to death, and you must kill the animal.
16 “ ‘If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the woman and the animal. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
18 “ ‘If a man lies with a woman during her monthly period and has sexual relations with her, he has exposed the source of her flow, and she has also uncovered it. Both of them must be cut off from their people.
21 “ ‘If a man marries his brother’s wife, it is an act of impurity; he has dishonored his brother. They will be childless.
27 “ ‘A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own heads.’ ”
9 “ ‘If a priest’s daughter defiles herself by becoming a prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire.
Yes. And I imagine Mormons will tell you that their beliefs are just standard Christianity with a shiny surface. Or Jewish people might tell you Christianity is their faith with a shiny surface. Or Pagans would tell you all of it is their religion with a shiny surface... etc.
Shadesbreath: they are all full of religious dung, in a glossy, shiny, sh*tty sort of way. Speaking of shine, their offering plate would shine more if it wasn't always filled with the money from gullible suckers. Pagans would do what?
Well, I think saying more risks wandering beyond the utility of my silk/satin metaphor. But I do recognize the point about the money plates. Sometimes I simply guffaw at the sheer number and colossal size of the religious complexes that occupy so many corners in so many neighborhoods. It's a testimony to the insane volume of donations and the significance of "tax exempt" status. Death and fear of death are a racket.
Reading and history. The number of religions that have come and gone over the ages is stupefying. Believing a current variant is "true" requires absolute dedication to NOT paying attention to anything that has happened in the past in all societies everywhere.
The existence of some sort of god... hard to say. But religion, bleh.
I'm not totally sure what you're saying there. If you call not randomly selecting one of thousands of current iterations of religion a "choice," I suppose you are right. I'd call that the absence of a choice, but why get into semantics. Otherwise, I have no idea what you're getting at.
I wonder if that's why there are so many religions. A few people started thinking their religion was stupid and created one that seemed more true to them, but had just not worked their way quite to the point of having no religion.
I imagine that that describes a lot of it. Some of it is more politically motivated; rearranging doctrine to suit political aims. Some to suit sexual aims. Some to suit all kinds of desires the people in power have that are in conflict with the present rule set. The examples from history are beyond plentiful for all of that and more.
My family were very religious but I never really understood it. There are too many simple questions that don't have an answer. Why does God make some people suffer so much while others that commit terrible crimes live a luxurious life? Why is your religion so dependent on where you were born? Evangelical Christians would probably be Muslims if they were born in Iran. There are lots of contradictions in the bible, why don't Christians see that? There are also parts that don't look truthful, like Pilate releasing Barabbas and washing his hands of the decision to crucify Jesus. That never made any sense to me, the Romans were barbaric and didn't release people like that. It was convenient to clear the Romans of the blame for killing Jesus and make it look like the Jews wanted it. I just can't believe that story.
Even if the bible made sense to me, there are lots of Christians that I admire and respect but there are some that have treated my family so badly, they have put me off religion completely.
the question of pilate releasing barabbas and then washing his hands is an interesting one. if you see at as propoganda the gospells were written during a time when the christians were looking for benifactors... so to take the blame off of the romans and to place the blame on the jews for the crucifiction, the story of pilate was created. After all, no roman became a govenor of a province with a serious bloody minded streak which could be used to subjugate an unwilling populace.
Mikelong - Since retirement, with time to think, common sense tells me It's pretty obvious that the human mind is fundamentally prone to the generation of illusions. Everyone is infected with an imaginative 'spiritual' tendency, sentimentally induced, that is 'merely' the natural wonderment of our existence & surroundings.
Unrealistic beliefs, a cause of so much mayhem & mortality of past & present, are all very basic Man-made creations - devious proclamations of a false & tedious nature, incessantly filling shallow minds with absurd religious dogma.
Unease can result in the mind having a very distorted & tormented view of one's situation with an urge to look skywards for help. To form a valid judgement on 'figmentary' Gods & 'Heavenly' matters, a reasonably healthy state of mind is essential.
Nearing the end of a long life, not without bother, the need to rely on any absurd 'Belief' has never really entered my consciousness.
It's all too apparent that religious 'Faiths' are pure HUMBUG, blessed with existence by Impostors & their largely naive followers.
I have no religion. I was born into a catholic family. I even participated in the indoctrination process and completed the classes. I did so, looking for answers to questions I had, for which, my mother and father had no answers for.
At 22 years old, I began deep doctrine testing and after 15+ years of research...the questions I had for my life were answered.
Religion didn't answer the questions, the conclusive testing of the doctrine taught me, that religion was a hoax/anti-life.
Hence, the "GOD" concept is also a hoax. Hence, my understanding.
I have no belief about a "GOD" or a belief of anti-religion.
The terms "faith", "belief", and "GOD" are manipulated words, so as to create a different perceived understanding, construed so as to usurp power and wealth, on the efforts of others.
It seems to me that the anti religion people out number the Religionists. Many Theists are joined together with Atheists on this issue. If Theists could come up with ONE uninterpreted version of their faith that all could agree upon, and live acordingly, the world would be a more peaceful place to live.
Well, I was born into a Christian family, but really only attended church for the free food after services (My mother and father didn't like to feed us on weekends, so my brother and I would go to church).
When I got old enough to understand the services, I was also in a youth shelter. Christianity started to scare me because... Well, I was in a high security youth shelter. I thought I was going to Hell. Then I was introduced to Wicca. Then I was pretty much going between being a Wiccan and an Atheist for a few years until I was re-introduced to the Craft. So... I guess I didn't really leave religion, just found a different religion that didn't make me feel like every damn thing I did or had happen in my life was leading me down a direct path to Hell.
One of the major reasons I gave up my christian leanings was when my buddies set me up in "boys town" in villa Acuna mexico with a gorgeous little Mexican girl. She trampled the power of my religious beliefs into absolute lust! I quit christianity, pushed jesus aside and became a lover of another sort! The power of lust is inexplicably overpowering! I learned not to fight it. To fight it was an act of futility! Life is good! hallalujahhh! Amen and amen....:-)
Melbourne. Are there other places in Australia? It is almost 3pm on Tuesday here. Melbourne in case you don't know is down the bottom near Tasmania, just before you fall off the edge of the planet if you are Taliban.
I thought so. Oh yeh I know where Melbourne is. One of our great oldtime movies stars was born in Tasmania: Errol Flynn. My sister was an entertainer on the cruise ships. She used to pull in there several times a year. Sneak: NP I'm sure yer a nice guy, but I cant put up with your meaningless comments. No, I'm sure we wont address each other again....:-) Ok Earn it's 10:04 here in Texas...i'm gonna watch sme TV. G'nite...:-)
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