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Just sayin'

  1. Mark Knowles profile image59
    Mark Knowlesposted 5 years ago

    http://d3uwin5q170wpc.cloudfront.net/photo/96336_700b.jpg

    lol

    1. Jesus was a hippy profile image61
      Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      What amazes me is that even the people who believe in a god because most of the country does, dismiss this.

      I would have thought this would appeal directly to those influenced by the masses.

    2. lyndre profile image82
      lyndreposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The other 99% of prisoner swear to god they are innocent.smile

    3. Shahid Bukhari profile image60
      Shahid Bukhariposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Scott ... and the cameraman ...

      What about the remaining 6% ... unless your hundred, is made up of 94 ... and excludes the remaining 6, from the "human hundred" ... living in the world !

      Or is this Statistic, compiled by the remaining 6% ...

      1. Sara T profile image61
        Sara Tposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You did not read the quote correctly. It's not a math problem.

        It is saying that a whopping 93% of the members of the National Academy of Sciences, and only 1% of the prison population, are atheist.

        That means that 7% of the National Academy of Sciences members, and 99% of the prison population, would remain in America.

        1. Shahid Bukhari profile image60
          Shahid Bukhariposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Well ... I am really bad at calculating ... for that matter, even correctly reading, or understanding, the underlying meanings of mathematical statistics ... representing "Humans" ...

          In fact, I find these a sort of a practical joke, played on fools like me, viz. ... When someone says ... that a mother's 99.342 % time ... or, more correctly, calculated to four decimal points ... as, 99.3421% time ... is spent, looking after the child ! ...

          Thus, I need someone to explain ... That the reported ... calculated ... mother care percentages, actually refer to an Australian Bush mother's situation ...  that these averages represent a certain group ... the Aborigines Mothers of Australia ... and do not represent all the mothers, and Motherhood's related universal Reality ... that these do not represent the state of Motherhood ... just, the Australian Aborigines Mother's preoccupation !

          Because, I treat one mother, as Representing Motherhood ... not Asian, American, or Australian Mothers ...

          And regarding your talking of Humans, as Mathematical figures ... to me the Foolish Scientists, and Jail Inmates ... as Humans ... one behind bars, and the other, Imprisoned in the Make Believe Castle of Logics and Theory... are first Humans, then statics, or any thing else.

          These "Percentages and Statistics" make me wonder, if your Academics, have descended from heavens, and the jail Inmates, from Hell ...
          Don't they represent a Cross Section Model of your, or any human Society ?

          1. Sara T profile image61
            Sara Tposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            i do not get it. O_o

            scientists and prisoners do not make up a cross-section of american society. or any society i can possibly imagine..

    4. Onusonus profile image84
      Onusonusposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Manipulating statistics, let's not take into account the fact that the overwhelming majority of people in the United States have some kind of belief in the spiritual matters, hence there are naturally gooing to be less athiests in prison by shear demigraphics.

      This is why you cause so much conflict. sad

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
        Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You wont get much sense out of that one ,too brainwashed lol

    5. Druid Dude profile image61
      Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      You all act as though these are real figures.

  2. Cagsil profile image84
    Cagsilposted 5 years ago

    lol lol

  3. SandyMcCollum profile image83
    SandyMcCollumposted 5 years ago

    Funny, and true! big_smile

  4. feenix profile image61
    feenixposted 5 years ago

    "If all the atheists left the U.S.A. it would lose 93% of the National Academy of Science but less than 1% of the prison population".

    Wow, is that supposed to be a DEEP comment? If it is, it did not even come up to the tops of my shoes.

    1. Pierre Savoie profile image60
      Pierre Savoieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      It is a real fact you're going to have to contend with.  Being stuck in a set of impossible human standards creates mental stress, poverty, and crime.  Atheist nations turn out to be more peaceful by far than religious ones, according to the Global Peace Index:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdtwTeBPYQA

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Nice work Pierre! That is very credible. smile

    2. Marisa Wright profile image92
      Marisa Wrightposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Wow, is that comment supposed to mean something?  It sounds more like a dismissal from someone who can't think of any real counter to the OP.

      1. Cagsil profile image84
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        lol lol lol lol lol

  5. feenix profile image61
    feenixposted 5 years ago

    Pierre, which nations are atheist and what are the crime statistics of each one?

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this
    2. feenix profile image61
      feenixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Okay, I saw the video and not a one of the countries listed as atheist is atheist. Each of the European countries actually has a Christian majority and both Vietnam and Japan have Buddhist majorities.

      No, not a one of those countries is atheist. It is just that most of the people who make up their populations are not particularly religious.

      1. feenix profile image61
        feenixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        One more thing. There are not any atheist countries ... not even one.

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I found a little bit of info here, but you may have already read it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism
          It supports what you are saying to some degree.

          1. feenix profile image61
            feenixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            With all due respect, the information in "wiki" fully supports what I am saying.

            But let us change the subject here. Two of the most vile and deadly nations in the history of the world were what could have been described as atheist countries: NAZI Germany and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR). As everyone knows, the NAZIs exterminated millions of  people and so did the Soviets .

            1. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Both Germany and Russia were very religious countries, and Hitler was a religionist before anything else.
              I thought the wiki thing was a bit lean, and not fully supported by source.

              I thought it offered qualified support for your argument, although it does admit there are many variables applied to the data.

              1. feenix profile image61
                feenixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Earnest, what did you do during history class? The Soviet Union (Not Russia, for it was only a member of the "Union") was OFFICIALLY an atheist state. In fact, the Soviets considered the whole "God thing" to be akin to a fairy tale.

                And in what way was Hitler a religionist? Please explain.

                1. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
                  Slarty O'Brianposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Most countries are secular these days, including the USA. You are right, there is no atheist country because atheism is not a political view. An atheist can be of any political view or non at all. The word atheism has no political connotations, period.

                  Soviet union was against religion for one reason, it was competition. But even Stalin brought religion back during the war. The Russian Orthodox church was only shut down for a very short period. But it was always under the eye and influence of the state.

                  Hitler was born Catholic, but didn't like it because of the Pope. He preferred protestantism, but in some of his writing he says he wanted to create something like an Aryan Jesus and Aryan Christianity from it. Here's a quote from a speech of his in 1933.

                  "The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life.

                  Sounds like a Republican convention speech.

                  You are right that a lot of countries which are secular have a low population of religious people, and atheism is growing. But there will never be an atheist government by definition even if every member of it is an atheist.

                  I hope that clears this up. wink

                2. earnestshub profile image88
                  earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  No need to be insulting! You may find out I know more history than you give me credit for.

                  The argument has been well covered before, and again in this thread. smile

                  1. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
                    Slarty O'Brianposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Sorry there Earnest, old buddy. I didn't insult you. The post was for Feenix. wink

                  2. Mark Knowles profile image59
                    Mark Knowlesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Good grief! These religious people do like to defend their religion with some very poor arguments. And they sure as hell don't like actual facts. sad

                    Not sure what Nazi Germany (Hitler was Catholic and "God" was a very, big part of the Nazi movement and the Army) has to do with my opening claim, but it usually gets to "Hitler was an atheist," or some such nonsense to defend their religion. And - then they say they are not religious.

                    Hilarious. lol

                    http://markpknowles.com/wp-content/uploads/hitler/HitlerWithFan.jpg

                    http://markpknowles.com/wp-content/uploads/hitler/hitler_cardinal4.jpg

                    http://markpknowles.com/wp-content/uploads/hitler/hitleratchurch.jpg
                    http://markpknowles.com/wp-content/uploads/hitler/nazi%20christian1.jpg
                    http://markpknowles.com/wp-content/uploads/hitler/NaziPriestsSaluteHitler.jpg

                    http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm
                    sad

      2. secularist10 profile image90
        secularist10posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Feenix, I recently wrote a hub on the topic of religiosity and crime.

        <link snipped>

        I have plenty of sources there.

        The fact of the matter is that any Christian majorities in Europe are "Christian" in name only. The beliefs, values and lifestyles of the vast majority of Europeans are not in line with an observant Christian population.

        When one compares the importance of religion in people's lives against the amount of crime and homicide in the society, one sees a positive correlation between religiosity and crime.

        It is incorrect to call these nations "atheist," but they are certainly not "religious" in any meaningful way.

        Japan may or may not have a nominal "Buddhist" majority. Japan is a highly secular society, and is considered by a number of studies to be one of the least religious societies on earth today, if not the least religious.

        1. feenix profile image61
          feenixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          So far as the Japanese, they do make one of the most, if not the most, secular societies in the world. However, they do become religious on special occasions, such as weddings and funerals.

          And so far as the majority of Europeans and their not being (practicing) Christians, that is true. But that does not mean that most of them do not believe in God. It merely means that they are not religious of that they do not like to go church on Sundays.

          1. secularist10 profile image90
            secularist10posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Exactly. Belief in "God" is not so important because that is a very esoteric concept to most people and can mean many things (i.e. a big man with a white beard sitting on a throne in the clouds vs. an impersonal "force" a la Star Wars, etc).

            What's interesting is religious belief and practice versus crime. That's where the relationship is. Just believing "there is a God" and nothing more doesn't make a person religious.

            Although of course in the richer countries there is less real belief in God as well. The Eurobarometer poll puts France as having the highest proportion of full-fledged atheists/ agnostics in Europe (33%), which is unsurprising, I suppose, given France's strongly secular government and cultural traditions.

  6. feenix profile image61
    feenixposted 5 years ago

    Marissa, be nice. It's impolite to be obnoxious.

    1. Marisa Wright profile image92
      Marisa Wrightposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      feenix, wasn't your own comment also intended as sarcasm?

      1. secularist10 profile image90
        secularist10posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        The mantra "Do as I say, not as I do" comes to mind smile

  7. feenix profile image61
    feenixposted 5 years ago

    Cagsill, either you are a real fun person or you find it difficult to express yourself with words.

    1. Cagsil profile image84
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Why? Because both my posts so far in this thread had smiley faces. lol lol

      I found the OP funny. Then I found was Marisa said funny. I've no loss of words, however, is there something in particular I can help you with? hmm

      1. feenix profile image61
        feenixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        No, I do not need any help from you.

        1. Cagsil profile image84
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          That's good. wink

          1. feenix profile image61
            feenixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Yes, it is good.

        2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
          Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          feenix I loved your comment lol  lol

          I for one would welcome any percentage of Atheists leaving the country.

          Im sure absence would make the heart grow fonder ,and Im good at long distance relationships  lol

          1. Beelzedad profile image60
            Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Really? How very Christian of you to say so. smile

            1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
              Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Actually it is smile

              1. Beelzedad profile image60
                Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Yes, and you appear to have embraced such despicable behavior. smile

                1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                  Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Just your opinion wink

                  1. Beelzedad profile image60
                    Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Impossible, it can't be an opinion because you admitted to embracing despicable behavior when you said this:

                    "I for one would welcome any percentage of Atheists leaving the country."

                    smile

  8. secularist10 profile image90
    secularist10posted 5 years ago

    Brilliant and true.

    Of course, given that around 40% of Americans don't accept evolution, I think many Americans wouldn't mind at all losing the entire National Academy of Sciences.

  9. Pierre Savoie profile image60
    Pierre Savoieposted 5 years ago

    It must have had to do with the fact Hitler put the words "GOTT MIT UNS" (God with us) on the belt-buckle of EVERY S.S. soldier.

  10. aka-dj profile image79
    aka-djposted 5 years ago

    Hitler may have been a religionist, but certainly NOT christian.
    His target were the Jews, which is the nation Christianity was birthed from.
    As if God would declare it a righteous thing to kill His chosen people. sad

    1. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I suppose it would depend on the particular god.  Some gods exterminate an entire planet by drowning over 99% of the mammals, including pregnant mothers and tiny babies.  Almost the entire population of the planet was destroyed because one of the more evil gods got miffed.  Which one do you favor?

      1. aka-dj profile image79
        aka-djposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I see lot's of venom here. lol
        How many of your family were killed, did you say? sad

        1. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          What?  You've never heard of this particular myth?  I think it's written about in an old novel of some sort.  What's your opinion of a deity which would drown little babies and innocent animals?

          1. aka-dj profile image79
            aka-djposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            So, how many pets did YOU loose, in this onslaught? hmm

            1. Randy Godwin profile image93
              Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              None, of course!  Only idiots and morons would believe an omnipotent being would do such a thing!  smile

              1. aka-dj profile image79
                aka-djposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Is that what you are calling me?

          2. brotheryochanan profile image62
            brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Innocent people always die because of the wicked.
            Take any war for example. the hierarchy declare war and they send off who and while bombing cities kill whom?
            God sent his son (an innocent) to take the sins of the world
            The slaves of egypt, Gods chosen, the first borns were slaughtered as a population control effort by pharoah. God kills egypts firstborn as the last plague in egypt and God is a bad egg.
            It was often a practice in war to slaughter all that was not important, back then they had different weapons of little destruction. Innocents were killed yes. WW1 bombs were dropped on cities.. killing women and babies randomly, innocents.
            The flood, as i have said before, only included the area of people that God was working with. The whole middle east is actually below sea level, like a huge bowl and the reports of floods from other nations sort of makes ya think they were not flooded out by a world wide flood.
            Innocent people always suffer because of the badness of others.
            home robberies, terrorist attacks, government taxes smile  and abortions.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image93
              Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              And there is not enough water to cover the planet either!  And if there were, where did it go when it receded?  lol

              Silly myths!  There is no evidence any god sent his child, begotten from impregnating a 13 year old virgin, to save anyone from anything.  Besides, Mrs. God might have something to say about that!  lol

            2. Beelzedad profile image60
              Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Wow, either one is blissfully ignorant of reality and facts or willfully denying reality and facts, or both to have come to that utterly ridiculous conclusion. Unbelievable. smile

      2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
        Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Easy option would have been to climb aboard the boat wink

    2. Marisa Wright profile image92
      Marisa Wrightposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      It depends what kind of Christian you are.

      Many Christians persecuted the Jews because they believed the Jews crucified Jesus.

      1. aka-dj profile image79
        aka-djposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        That's christians with a "c".
        Not Christians with a "C". big_smile

  11. brotheryochanan profile image62
    brotheryochananposted 5 years ago

    WE have been through the prison and christian thing before. I am surprised it has come up again and so shall my arguments that this 'more christians in prison' is a ridiculous statement.

    First off, there are priests in prisons... hence many are not christian but catholic and we see what that religion got into in the dark ages. So blow that off for representing christendom in any aspect.

    Secondly, in prison, prisoners get time off for 'good behavior'. I would say that part of that good behavior might be tolerating church services on sundays... hence not an example of christian either.

    thirdly, Many prisoners when asked, in prison, might think it would look good to say they believe in a God or however the question is phrased, if its a multiple choice, they check, christian.

    fourth, there is a large of percentage of those who declare, unknown or of no faith, these might just be atheists in which case the percentage goes way up.

    I know a fellah when in prison who played the 'christian game' while serving time and yes it helped him get time off his sentence and once out, God was far from the picture of his life. I would have to call him a non believer in God, even an atheist.

    We see wolves donning sheeps clothing in many aspects of society, yet the atheists seem to want to purport that this is not happening in this scenario.. just more misinformation from a twisted person on a bent mission.

    I hope i have settled this inane bit of inference from yet again another statistic which is unreliable.

    Of course there are examples of men who truly did find God in prison, i am sure not a huge amount, but some and this is a good thing.

    1. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
      Slarty O'Brianposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Catholics are Christians. In fact, you are the heretics. wink

    2. Pierre Savoie profile image60
      Pierre Savoieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      It is good that people find God in prison.  You can scan all of Google Earth and not find any God...lol.  And yet God has certain fixed characteristics:  a 50-cubit-high pillar of smoke by day, pillar of fire by night.  Should be easy to spot on Google Earth...especially since he is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.

    3. dingdondingdon profile image60
      dingdondingdonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Okay. Now explain the 93% too. Considering atheists are quite a small minority in the U.S that's rather a huge percentage a highly intelligent group who are atheists, isn't it?

  12. Quilligrapher profile image89
    Quilligrapherposted 5 years ago

    One problem with all statistics, this one in particular, is their inability to remain meaningful when they are applied to situations far removed from the core objectives of the study.

    Here is another quote based upon the Pew Forum's U.S. Religious Landscape Survey in 2007:
    “If all the atheists left the U.S.A. in 2007 it would have lost less than 1.7% of its total population.” Now this seems more in line with the prison population quoted in the OP.  (http://religions.pewforum.org/reports)

  13. Pierre Savoie profile image60
    Pierre Savoieposted 5 years ago

    The religious belt-buckle was indeed a part of every Nazi S.S. uniform, ordered by Hitler himself.  How, then, can you go on saying Hitler was an Atheist?  He was religious, and in the purest religious tradition, decided to kill people not of that religion.  There are shenanigans going on even now, like the disgusting Fundamentalist Christians trying to "take over" and "run" the Air Force Academy in Boulder, Colorado.

    1. livelonger profile image90
      livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      A very quick search disproves this:
      http://65.160.172.250/buckles.html

      I didn't say Hitler was an atheist.

      Religion didn't matter to Hitler, and he didn't kill people of a different religion. He killed people he considered racially inferior to Germans. Jews who had converted to Christianity of any flavor were still killed. Slavs of Catholic and Protestant religion were still killed.

      He didn't kill off people who said they were atheist.

      I'm not dismissing the sick behavior of some fundamentalist Christians. But, come on - rounding up racial minorities and trying to exterminate them is another matter entirely.

      When the truth is damning enough, why do evangelicals (of all persuasions, religious or not) seem so intent in undermining their case by resorting to hyperbole?

      1. Beelzedad profile image60
        Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        As mentioned, you should really read Mein Kampf. In fact, Hitlers words have been quoted here several times before regarding his religious views and why he committed atrocities. smile

        1. livelonger profile image90
          livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          No, I really don't have to. There are others that have pulled out the supposed damning evidence that Hitler was a highly religious freak obsessed with people's religious beliefs (probably the same parts that you've read; have you really read Mein Kampf?).

          That damning evidence turns out to be fairly thin. A couple of sentences among thousands obsessing about the "Jewish peril." Nowhere does he lambast atheists.

          And why all the discussion about Hitler? Let's talk about Stalin, too...a highly religious man?

          The anti-religious continue to feed their personal favorite myth that Hitler was a highly religious man fueled by religious hatred with scant evidence to support it. In that way, they are just the mirror image of the evangelicals who imagine they're a persecuted, martyred minority.

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            paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            A good point; the atheists should morally own that Hitler was an Atheist.

            1. livelonger profile image90
              livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              As usual, your phoned-in contributions are worthless.

              People arguing that Hitler was really an atheist will find just as much evidence supporting their opinion as those arguing that he was really a religious man.

            2. Beelzedad profile image60
              Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              The Islamic propagandist will take every opportunity to support a lie. smile

          2. Beelzedad profile image60
            Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Yes, I have read it. You should, too, in order to find out for yourself what Hitler thought, rather than making assertions of what you believe he thought. smile

            1. livelonger profile image90
              livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              You're saying you read the whole thing? Based on your responses so far, I frankly doubt you did.

              And, no, I am pretty sure I don't have to read 700 pages of racist conspiracy theories in order to understand what he thought. There are far more pleasant, interesting things to read and there are only so many hours in the day. smile

              1. Beelzedad profile image60
                Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                What do you base that on, then, from my responses? Do tell.



                Essentially, what you're saying is that you don't need to read a book about someones thoughts by the very same person who wrote the book, yet you will adamantly dismiss those thoughts out of hand. And, your excuse is that there are "more pleasant, interesting things to read."

                lol

                1. livelonger profile image90
                  livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Prove me wrong. Please share some of the religious ideas you culled from the book. No need for exact quotes of course, just the religious ideas Hitler used in his book (in bullet format, if you like).

                  There are plenty of fervent anti-religionists who will read through Mein Kampf for any religious mention whatsoever (and ignore the other 99.999%). When you google "religion" or "Christianity" and "Mein Kampf" you see the anti-religionists repeatedly quoting the same couple of sentences, over and over and over again.

                  And, please, while we're at it, feel free to tell us how Stalin, murderer of tens of millions, was a devout Christian man, too.

                  1. Beelzedad profile image60
                    Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Why should I do that when you have already convicted me based on what I have already said? Seems you really don't have a leg to stand, yes?



                    Why should I have to tell you what is abundantly clear from Stalin's biography?

                  2. Sara T profile image61
                    Sara Tposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm

                    there. read the quotes. if you aren't going to read mein kampf, don't belittle someone else's comments because THEY haven't read it. i haven't read it either. someone who demands proof but offers none is not furthering any intelligent discussion but simply stomping their foot to have their opinion be believed.

                    the website mentioned above cites its quotes and lists its sources. i believe there are enough quotes from hitler here to prove that he did believe in god, at the very least. however if you don't like what it says then post your own evidence to the contrary, if there is any.

                  3. Sara T profile image61
                    Sara Tposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    livelonger, i never said anything about having a rule against long replies. you must be confused.

                    i would like to believe that people's beliefs can change over time, too. and it is true that some people will say one thing to the public and another behind closed doors. so it is certainly possible that hitler's public opinions on the state of christianity in his time were lies, and that he actually was a devout christian in private. smile

  14. Pierre Savoie profile image60
    Pierre Savoieposted 5 years ago

    Noooo, it is a reduction of Atheists by sheer proportion.  Atheists number 12% of the US population, so where are they in prison?  Maybe there is something to their Atheism which causes them to be more law-abiding than the religious people.

    1. hottopics profile image60
      hottopicsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Actually, I believe many prisoners are Atheists when they commit their crimes, but after convictions and sent to jail become religious. They think it will help their position for parole or doing time.

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
        Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Oh Im sure the authorities have it all figured out wink

        Besides God will judge all in the end.

        1. Beelzedad profile image60
          Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Why do you feel compelled to utter a threat in your post?

      2. Beelzedad profile image60
        Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        In other words, you believe that convicts provide information on themselves when they are released from prison and not when they go in. lol

    2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
      Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      No ,I just think they can afford better lawyers wink

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    just_curiousposted 5 years ago

    Well, I have to say; somebody told me atheism is the mentality of a teenage boy. I took up for it. But this OP makes me wonder if it was wasted breath.

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      zampanoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      No. It's reverse.
      If atheists left america, it would be the end of the religious because they seem to exist only in opposition to atheists.
      And vice versa.
      Anyway, let America keep their religious.

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        just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I think you're right. I had never seen insanely religious people until I signed on to hub pages. And I had no idea such agressive atheists existed.

        1. livelonger profile image90
          livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Two sides of the same coin.

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            just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            The amazing part is they can't even see it.

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              zampanoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              No. I'd say they are well aware of that and they're just playing games.
              At least, I prefer this point of view.
              And sometimes (fewer these days) we can even get a good laugh out of it, which is about the only interest one can find in those jousts.

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                just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I like your way of seeing it. smile

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          Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Me either ,Hubpages ,actually on reflection, Id say its the Internet that seems to make it more noticeable and acessible.

          Like a stage if you will ,that ushers in everyone without bias.
          And in they come lol

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            just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Which is cool, in a lot of ways; but sometimes it simply seems like everyone's talking and no one is listening. Seems such a waste of a perfectly good opportunity.

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              Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              jc.. It is a waste of time (mine).

              I dont mind a bit of ribbing ,kidding around but some of the insults and tit for tat insults just are not very mature.

              I find many of the Athiests who frequent the forums on the Internet quite thin-skinned ,love to lol and call Christians names ,but when Christians dont turn the other cheek ,oh my gosh they act like spoilt little children who whine and spit every chance they get.

              Yea I sometimes think ,ok we are all grown up ,and for goodness sake should be able to discuss different /new ideas.

              I also think its easy for some minds to labels other minds as indoctrinated ,somehow that means we left the human race ,somewhere ,therefore its impossible to discuss anything with them.

              What a cop-out!

              P.S For the record JC, you are communicative!

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                just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Well, don't fall for the indoctrination argument. It's bogus. Everyone is indoctrinated. And, whatever you do, don't google it. It'll only make you wish there was a function on the computer so the next time that atheist posted to you you could reach through the screen and throttle them.

                I would like to see one thread where everyone talked, not argued, about something of substance. Really tried to understand the other view. This place is maddening at times. I see a lot of good thoughts shot down simply because the person who posted was the wrong label. One of yours once, actually. And then when the person with the right label said the exact same thing it was oh so profound. I had to laugh.

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                  Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  You should really take the time to understand the definition of indoctrination before making such remarks.



                  Is that because what you googled turned out to be true?



                  You appear to be contributing to that which you complain about by fallaciously claiming the indoctrination argument is bogus. smile

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                    just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Unfortunately, many of us tend to understand all of the definitions of a word, not just the one that suits our fancy at the time. I know full well which one you have in mind when you make these jaunts into the religious forum.  Unfortunately, it is not the only one to use.  Others are:

                    To teach or inculcate
                    To imbue with learning
                    To teach somebody a belief, doctrine, or ideology thoroughly and systematically

                    Not all definitions of indoctrinate include - with the goal of discouraging independent thought or the acceptance of other opinions-

                    Just the one you choose to use.



                    Absolutely not, ergo the disappointment in the missing function on the computer. The sights advocating your 'religious indoctrination' theory are offensive, as I'm sure you are aware.  I was not amused by what is obviously your idea of a prank.



                    I admit that my statement might have appeared hyprocritical, but definitely not on this count.  I fear it is your argument that is quite bogus.  . smile

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    Uirikposted 5 years ago

    And who cares about this if those scientists are busy smashing 0 dimensional non entities in accelerators, weaving strings and branes, attempting time travell fantacies, big bang'ing fantacies, wormhole fantacies dark matter fantacies. It will be a great thing to lose 93% of such a gang of idiots

    ***eating popcorns and smilling***

  17. Eaglekiwi profile image76
    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago

    By the way Beezle Im sure youre not as cold and humorless as this statue look a like here either.


    http://s4.hubimg.com/u/4980515_f248.jpg

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      Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      My goodness, you really do go out of your way to insult me personally. No wonder believers never form morals or ethics. Unbelievably atrocious behavior.

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        ceciliabeltranposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I'm sure you have friends in real life...just not so much here.

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          Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Trolling again? Terrible behavior. lol

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        Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Awww..youre playin with me wink

  18. Pierre Savoie profile image60
    Pierre Savoieposted 5 years ago

    These are the smartest people in the world you're lambasting, for no reason.  I see them as Whole People:  all their time is theirs.  They don't sacrifice their Sundays or pray 5 times a day to illusory invisible things.  A Muslim for example only has 83% of the waking time of a real person available to him, so he can't study as hard, can't work as hard, as an Atheist.

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    Uirikposted 5 years ago

    But they enjoy life!

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      just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Good point. Believers definitely do seem to be a happier group of people.

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        earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        What leads you to believe that? smile

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          just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Well, you are a bit of an anomaly ernest, but you don't call yourself an atheist. That might be why. A lot of atheists seem to take the whole thing so seriously. All of the time. You can't ever have fun with them. What's this place if you can't laugh at it? It's not like we're going to change the world with all the bickering. smile

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            earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            smile The bickering will go on as long as loonies keep telling people they have to believe in myths as truth.

            Tell me my 4 cylinder car is a V8 and I will argue with you till the cows come home. smile

            The myth is dead.

            In recent times, the followers of the psychotic god who is supposed to be omni-everything are no longer permitted by law to follow his "instructions" and openly murder non believers.

            This allowed some of mankind to advance the sciences.

            we know quite a lot about ourselves and a lot more about where our primary beliefs come from and how they are formed.

            Our personal archetypes and many other factors determine what thoughts our brain are likely have, not some myth.

            As we now have a scientific understanding of religiosity and know why we are a neurotic species, the bronze aged myth is not required for an understanding of anything more than man's inhumanity to man, and how the gullible and needy will believe absolutely anything they are told about a "god."

            The word god can be exchanged for "fear" in reality aqt that time.
            Primitives thought all they did not control was the work of one god or another since before ra


            It is also known that we are a species who's DNA survives by wiping us out, and science is only a poofteenth from re-working DNA and repairing some of the obvious screw-ups the "god" was supposed to have got right the first time, eliminating diseases.

            It is becoming increasingly silly to flog myths without keeping up with developments in medicine, biology, technology, space telescopes and the rapid changes that show them to be wrong.

            Anyone who would like to know could start learning on this huge site.
            Here is one page of many many thousand.
            David Pearce who runs this site is a friend of mine. David is the type of friend we all need. He deals in truth of a different type. He understands the need for peer reviews and double blinds from the worlds best universities to support his views on many of the subjects he has taken on in his massive move to educate people on animal and human cruelty, drugs, the human condition and anything vaguely related to acheiving well-being for all sentient life.

            This site is supported by a large group of people who are specialist thinkers in their own fields. There are also a mass of links to other views from such as Stephen Hawking and other such luminaries regardless of any opposition expressed.

            I spent 2 years reading hedweb, and now just try to keep up with new developments here, as many hands are now on deck.

            the drug guide is the best I have ever seen, with links to test results from major universities. A must for parents who want to know as much about drugs as their kids do!

            http://www.hedweb.com/hedethic/hedon1.htm#sabotage

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              just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I stand corrected. On at least one count in my previous post to you. Thanks for clearing that up for me. smile

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                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                About taking it seriously? Yep! I try to do anything I can to stop the backsliding into myths, I have a lot of gkids! smile

                Your statement about the bickering changing nothing is spot on.
                I would rather have a discussion that is supported by at least some empirical evidence or at least educated opinion than much of the bickering on here. smile

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                  just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Okee dokee. smile

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                  Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Well I reckon Earnest and I have the best smiles for opposing views smile

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                    earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I was tortured by my wife and children to force me to smile for that photo.

                    I'm such a miserable sod, wot with not havin me own god an all. smile.

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            Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            In other words, because this discussion forum is not a kindergarten playground in which to frolic and tease, that is reason for coming to the conclusion that atheists are not a happy bunch and believers are.

            Why not try a kiddie forum, then? smile

            1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
              Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              See that's whats missing -Humour and happiness!




              http://s3.hubimg.com/u/608622_f248.jpg


              Take this gang ,I bet ya last kitkat they bicker occassionally ,but at the end of the day they are all still cats.

              Like us , we are all still Humans smile no matter what we think.

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                Disappearingheadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Well the tabby on the left doesn't believe his owner exists, and that his tin of catfood self evolved from a primordial fish.

                The tortoiseshell on the right reckons that if you don't follow his owner he will pull your whiskers out and set fire to your fur when you are dead.

                The ginger in the middle says "chill out lads" you are both talking boll*cks.

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                  Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  lol  lol  lol



                  Youre a very cool cat !!

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              just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Ok. That did it. Sure I'll tell you why I said it. Because there is absolutely no logical reason to attempt to be insufferable at every turn. When someone does that I tend to think, perhaps, they came here while they are in time out on the kiddie forum.

              And I made the comment about people appearing to be happier because they, apparently, know how to laugh at themselves sometimes, and others at times. They aren't always poised for battle.

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                Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Perhaps, there is another alternative. Perhaps, there are those who do offer and understand humor on other intellectual levels other than that of potty level humor. smile

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                  just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Perhaps. But I understand both. So, I don't see that applying to all. Anyway. It doesn't matter.  It appears you have taken this personally and it was not my intent to offend.

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                    Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Well, that's another debate altogether. smile

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        Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        How so?

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          just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I could answer, but I'm not sure why you would ask. Apparently, I'm 'mentally challenged' in your mind. I doubt my opinion on the matter warrants discussion.

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            Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I ask because the claim appears to be completely unfounded and fallacious. smile

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              just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Well sure. That's what I do. I'm mentally challenged.

              1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                lol  lol Yer so funny and very clever wink

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                  Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Actually Im something too?? I forget now ,the compliments were many (NOT) Unintelligent? Uneducated? Undressed ,oh no wait that was on another website lol

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                Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                So, that's why you made the claim in the first place?

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                  just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Nope.

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    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago

    For me personally I love a good laugh ,but not at the expense of hurting anyone.

    Of course its difficult to always gage what is humour using an impersonal vehicle ,such as the internet,but after a time we can maybe glean a little of a persons personality.

    For me its about respect too, I don't care if you believe in pink elephants or 3 headed aliens,so long as you dont insult my intelligence -I wont insult yours. smile

    As for providing evidence, gosh Earnest ,creation attests to several examples ,but the bottom line for both sides is 'proof of evidence'

    I see Science defining what God has already created,so I applaud and need both to grow smile

  21. Eaglekiwi profile image76
    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago

    Just curious , Yes generally speaking believers they speak,act and do seem happier,of course there are grumpy old farts on both sides of the fence I spose,human nature being what it is lol

 
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