This is a question I have been asking myself a lot lately, and I think I would have to answer yes in part. Of course things happen to us which we have no control over. However, some negative things which seem to block us are I believe created by ourselves, even though it might be the last thing we might consciously want.
It's part of our individual experience and is in the workings of the universe. We experience the sufferings of life and so we seek release, I understand completely, since I was hanged as a child. I don't cling to it though and that's where the real happiness is, putting it behind me.
Hi Muldania, I agree with you, that's why I said to mischevious me that we have to continuously search ourselves in order to discern what we keep inside us and to understand the workings of the universe as an aide or response to our unique self. Thanks for the response.
Good one! Not sure I believe we cause the things that happen as much as we allow the outcomes to affect us either positively or negatively and that is where hindrance to or effect on our success is determine.
Hi perfectperception, What about if the hindrance comes from the bureaucratic government such as you are not issued a visa because of sheer personal dislike by an interviewer in the embassy. Do you think we cause it? and how can we "not allow" it to affect us when it is the major block of our dream?
Hi edhan, Yes, if only I have control on everything that I do then life would have been much easier as I can follow through all my dreams and goals without any distractions or interventions from people and circumstances. When I create a goal, those distractions were not included but as I follow through, the distractions take most of the time, worse they are the ones that block me.
Things happen in life that are certainly not invited. Murder for example. Tragic family pasts. Accidents. (like a rock falling on you or a car crash). Acts of God or Nature. (Tsunami's, earthquake). Famine (there are many third world countries filled with people who never had a meal or a chance to live without illness and famine!). Being born with a deformity or having a child with a deformity. (natural handicaps). And more. Yes, the man at the embassy with power to block a person's path. A rotten professor at university. A lot of illnesses...from bacteria etc.
This is a belief system that has no grounds in fact. If you're sitting in Indonesia and a tsunami hits, all 100,000 people on that beach did not subconsciously bring that event about anymore than the people in Japan did when a tsunami hit them. Or, for that matter, the students at Columbia when a lone gunman went wild.
What is true is that our actions and our attitude (not our thoughts) have a response from other people.
Hi Sophia, I appreciate your comment. That's good enough analogy, but not everybody thins the way you do; there are always other ways of thinking; professional philosophers have other way of looking at things.
Hi wordscrbe43, Thanks for that comment...I should not have said "made me smile" but it really did, not because of the answer but I found some humour in the way she said it...it can be a sarcasm in her part or whatever is the motive behind...maybe I am naive but I welcome anyone and I allow anyone to be "him" or "her"; I have no hurt feelings...
Oh Wordscribe.. I'm so sorry that you have to go through another knee surgery.. but be brave and if you really think positively about it.... Then this time, maybe you will 'invite' the surgeon to put your leg back on the right way round this time!
Ow I don't really gossip, I just reacted to the 'invite' the surgeon...nobody in his right mind, and in the normal condition, would invite a surgeon to his home for the surgery. the operating room is allowed only in the hospital or clinic, depending on the condition.
Really, my late husband was from New Zealand, he was a gentleman and would never open his mouth unless necessary. I don't really care where anyone comes from. We all die when struck by lightning...Ow! God forbid.
I'm pretty sure amputation is the only hope for the leg at this point, PD. They have some kick a$$ prosthetics I'm looking into. This will be just the advertising gig my back to front shoe campaign is looking for! Prosthetic shoes and all... an untapped market, really.
Wordscribe43 I understand; but I am not just talking about "conscious knowing" as such you consciously or knowingly "invited" the situation or condition. There is a so-called "subconscious knowing", in this, you yourself is not aware that perhaps deep within you, your psyche is inviting such condition so that you will give yourself a rest or a break...ordinary left-brain thinking can never see this within himself.
Hi mischeviousme, I do believe in the workings of the universe but sometimes the blocks are too high a mountain to climb and we are not given wings to fly; I know that it's a lifetime and progressive self-learning to know what we keep within us in order to understand the lessons that the universe is trying to convey for our own good and for everyone concerned around us. Thanks for the response. Jynzly
No. That idea annoys ma as much as the idea that people who are happy and buy organic carrots will never get cancer. It is sanctimonious and comes mainly from smug lucky people are are convinced they are fully responsible for their own good fortune.
Hi psycheskinner, It's easy to claim that we cause ourselves the "good fortune" but it's as confusing to accept bad luck. If philosophical reasoning is always right and if we can see through the minds of thinkers perhaps we will agree; I myself am confused how I invited those blocks done by people deliberate to me, if it is true that I caused everything that happened to me.
I believe everything operates under cause and effect. I also believe the circumstances we are presented with of which we did not promote or cause, can also affect or influence us in some manner. The way we respond to everything is an influence to someone, even if that someone is ourselves. I think as wisdom grows, so does our levels of awareness. That being said, I believe we can plan a goal, a day, a trip, which would be all caused by our own conscious act of doing. I believe a person can subconsciously avoid painful memories, but outside of that, I pretty much believe we are aware of our surroundings inasmuch as we choose to be or learn to me. Hope that's not a muddy response!
Hi ytsenoh, Thanks for the response. You are a thinker in your answer; yes, I know that there are lots of things we habitually do in our interactions with others that caused them to react in the way they also habitually do given a certain situation. These interactions are sometimes, if not often, could result to misunderstandings, disagreement, and even anger because we differ in our perceptions; we are sometimes confused how things went wrong especially when we had no intention to be rude or to cause the conflict; that's why it is important that we have to be assertive in order to know our motives in dealing with others.
Yes GoodLady, if only I have control over those things that block me from progress such as the embassy incident and the death of my beloved Colin, life by now would have been according to how I desire it to be. But why do some philosophy insists that these things happen for a purpose is really very annoying.
Hi Xenonlit, It may be simple to you but for me it's big time frustrations, imagine I had been almost a year struggling with legal matters and the embassy to join my husband in the U.S., paid thousands of dollars to an agency and a lawyer and I am still here; worse, I cannot see anything wrong with me...so the question was born...there is always a story behind the simplest question. Actually I thank those who answered me seriously such as ytsenoh; I consider her answer valuable...perhaps I can start thinking from there.
At this stage in my life, I control more of what happens to me than not, and I have most certainly "invited" many things into my life for which I accept full responsibility. However, there are things that happen in our lives that are just beyond our control and all we can do about them is handle them the best way possible.
yes it is but the difference is that conscious knowing is that you are aware of what is going on in your mind, whereas subconscious knowing is you just act according to your hunches if you are trained to "feel" or listen , or "sense" yourself...it is more passive in nature.
Guy tried to sell me heroin on the street a long time ago. I said how do you know I am not an undercover cop? With the jail time this is pretty serious stuff. All he said was your not with a big smile. Seems to me this was a guy that would have to have pretty serious unconscious knowing.
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