I could learn from the bible, nothing useful though

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mischeviousmeposted 12 years ago
I used to be a christian, used to as in past tense. I went to church religiously and was entranced by the bible, but nothing I learned was realistic. I decided then, to unlearn all of it. I found thgat there was a gulf between rationality and intellect, one being fabricated by the body of the church. Why should I believe in something that is continually propegated on 1500 year old lies? There is no true evidence to back any of it up and very little factual material, this not to mention conflicting gospels. Hell, even genesis has 2 different chapters that totally differ in content. So why should I be nice and continue to let the lie flourish?
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Bingo! Mcm.
  
  I still have a desire to believe in something, but so much of what is presented to me for consideration is bound up in thrown-out newspaper, fit only for the compost heap.
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  A paper machet God, is no God that I know.
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  Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I ask one christian about reincarnation , I would like to be reincarnation an ancient 3000 year old tree.
  He said I would cut down that tree and reincarnation into bibles
  
  Some how, I think dragon bones got reincarnated into dinosaur bones in the last 150 years
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  gregasposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The most important thing is to believe in YOURSELF. Greg
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  AEvansposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Judas and Peter turned their backs on Jesus too. It is okay to be angry with God or question, but the Bible is not filled with lies. Yes there are contradictions but it is up to us to determine the truth. There are so many miracles that have happened to me and there are things that have happened, where I felt like Job. I couldn't imagine life without my Lord and Savior. I am sorry you feel that way and I pray that you will overcome and will walk again with him. Remember the Bible is only a tool to guide us, not a book for anyone to change.
  
  I will not judge you nor anyone for how they feel, their thoughts or their actions, I can only pray for those who are in pain or feel that way. It is not my place to preach to you and God gives all of us 'Free Will' only God knows where your heart is and what has to be done.
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  wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  There are contradictions but no lies?? How does that work?
  
  If two parts of the bible contradict each other, then at least one is false. Given that the bible was written under God's direction then any falsehood is a lie. At least one of contradictory passages must be a lie.
  
  Of do you mean by "determine the truth" to change the meaning so that it is no longer a lie?
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  AEvansposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  • CONTRADICTION (noun)
  The noun CONTRADICTION has 3 senses:
  1. opposition between two conflicting forces or ideas
  2. (logic) a statement that is necessarily false
  3. the speech act of contradicting someone
  Familiarity information: CONTRADICTION used as a noun is uncommon.
  
  What I am saying is, " If you believe you have to determine its meaning." To often people take it completely out of context and it has a purpose if you believe." Its a tool to live life, embrace others and not be judgmental.
  
  Scientists are stumped by some of there findings when it has came to the Bible. I know 'Jesus Loves Me' and I know that I love others that is all that matters.
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  wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I believe I understand you. Thanks for the explanation.
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  Jean Bakulaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The book was changed so many times it's laughable. The Gnostic gospels which are more truthful were stuck in a cave for years. Who knows what the Vatican is hiding, besides piles of money. Even the Jews see the Bible as Myth. If 5 rabbis read a midrash, they should have 5 interpretations. Take from it what you will. But don't blindly believe words that were written as myths. You wouldn't even be allowed to speak in church if you listened to the Bible, according to St.Paul! He didn't want people to have sex, only condoned marriage and made it a forever thing you were stuck in with no recourse, no matter how miserable it got. So it made marriage and sex a punishment. You think this is good and healthy? Believe, but use your intelligence. Think about what you are reading. Most Priests and ministers realize nobody believes this stuff is real, and that was about 100 years ago.
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  AEvansposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I do use my intellect. You believe what you choose to believe and I will believe what I believe. I do believe Jesus was not a Myth and Noah's Ark was real. I believe God told Moses to write the Ten Commandments. I believe the plagues came and I believe Jesus healed the sick. I also know that the Bible has been re-written multiple times and often many take it literally. I do not take all of it literally but use it as a tool for guidance. I believe in miracles and in my life, I have seen them happen. It is okay to be a Christian and believe, just like it is okay to be a non-Christian and not believe. That is what makes the World go round and nobody ever wins in this discussion just like politics.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, but that is not the use of ones intellect by any stretch of the imagination.
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  AEvansposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  In·tel·lect/ˈintlˌekt/
  Noun:
  The faculty of reasoning and understanding objectively, esp. with regard to abstract or academic matters.
  The understanding or mental powers of a particular person: "her education, intellect and talent".
  
  I understand you and you also need to understand me. I am using my intellect. It is not about swaying a person to the other side, which I have never tried to do.
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Come to the darkside, we have cookies...
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  Shiningstar4u2cposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  LOL! I do love that saying and that commercial! It is quite funny.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No, you're not, because there is no reasoning or objective understanding with your beliefs, they are neither abstract or academic.
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  AEvansposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You are trying to argue your belief so you have your beliefs and I have mine. You do not believe and I do, there is nothing wrong with that. No matter what you try, you cannot get my dander up on this one. But thanks so much for trying. (((Big Hugs))
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  Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Wow , you get a hugs for that's that very nice
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I have no beliefs, sorry.
  
  Yes, there is something wrong with that. Societies and mankind have paid a heavy price, mostly in bloodshed and atrocities committed in order for you to believe.
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  jacharlessposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  ...and just as equally for you not to believe.
  I am told that is called an impasse...
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No, it isn't an impasse.
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  jacharlessposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  you seem equally opposed to their pro or con.
  they seem equally opposed to your pro or con.
  
  neither is budging. I'd call that impasse.
  "..and the wheels on the bus go round and round..."
  lol.
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  AEvansposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  So what do you believe happens to you when you are gone? What makes you think, breathe and speak? If there isn't God what created you? Knowing that cells created you, what created those cells? How was it given life to become a human being? I am only seeking understanding with respect to you. You feel it is wrong for me to believe, but without argument I hope you can tell me why you do not believe in anything at all.
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  ATM is a nihilist, he'll argue with anyone, but he makes a good point from time to time.
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  Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  A good point from time to time? Are you kidding? He's a veritable genius. The deepest thinker on the site. He's......oh wait. I've got him mixed up with someone else. Never mind. You could be right.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That is not true at all. I do understand life has objective meaning and that morality does exist and are not abstractly contrived. Obviously, you aren't understanding my posts.
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I whole heartedly understand them, it's just the way you come across sometimes. There's nothing wrong with telling someone how it is, it's just the delivery, that's all I'm saying...
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Delivery has nothing to do with nihilism.
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Then why do you argue so much, as if all beliefs are wrong?
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Why do you post so much nonsense here, as if reality is wrong?
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  For the same reason you do, because I can.
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Are you trying to keep others real or are you judging others, as they would judge you?
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  AEvansposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  But he didn't get my dander up, he has his beliefs and I have mine. I have studied Science and I still believe in God.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  For the millionth time, I don't have beliefs.
  
  No, you haven't, you make that blatantly obvious whenever you talk about science.
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  AEvansposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I am a Nurse so I have studied Science and still I believe. You my friend have not studied but Science; because you would be more open-minded to all religions and not try to justify life with just Scientific explanation.
  
  When you walk into your backyard and look at the trees, what do you believe created them? When you hear the birds chirp who gives them their sounds? Where did the seeds come from for our fruits and vegetables? How did they come about? When you look in the mirror what do you see? A miracle that was created by God sent to your parents to love and cherish. A beautiful miracle for the World to see.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  What you've studied as a nurse does not support your false statements here.
  
  And, you or any other believer here is open-minded to other religions. Classic!
  
  Yes, I understand believers speak in terms of believing this and believing that and are unable to comprehend the concept of understanding.
  
  Yeah, you studied science. Hilarious.
  
  You see, that's exactly the kind of statement I refer when I talk about being honest and not lying.
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  AEvans, when you studied, as a nurse, you did not study as a scientist! You studied the findings of scientists. You studied the principles of biology, chemistry, physics, as they appertain to nursing practice. You did not do the "science" in the first place.
  
  If and when we take on a religious belief, then stop searching for more concrete evidence and explanations of the world around us, then we reduce ourselves to non-nonsensical automatons.
  
  Your beliefs are ok for you if that's where you want to stop. Just as well we are not all as you are.
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  AEvans, if you are interested, I can tell you what I now believe and accept. This is not intended to convert you or anyone else to my way of thinking... just purely for interest. Accept it or refute it, I don't care. Suit yourself anyway you like.
  
  I have mentioned this before in one of the hubs: Life for me happens only once. I, this person I call me, live for a time, then die. I see no life for me after the death of my body. Then I shall only live on in the memories of persons who knew me.
  
  Because I will not know any consciousness after my death, I can stop worrying and fretting about it. I can concentrate on this day, this moment, and do the best job of work I possibly can.
  
  My way of thinking does not suit everyone. You sort out what you want to believe, and I will respect you for it.
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  AEvansposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  What I appreciate is that you are at Peace with your belief and accept life and death. You do not agree nor disagree with anybody else's belief. Your words are eloquently spoken and I can truly respect that in you. Thank you to for understanding me.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  According to biology and observation, our bodies decay.
  
  Millions of years of evolution.
  
  My parents, through a process known as conception, pregnancy and birth.
  
  Cells created me? How does that work?
  
  Again, through millions of years of evolution.
  
  Because, belief in things does not equate to an understanding of things, which is made evident here on these forums daily.
  
  I have no problem if you want to believe in something, but I would have to question as to why you would want to believe in certain things that are invisible, but not other things that are invisible? And, why would you want to believe in things rather than understand them?
  
  Wouldn't you suspect that understanding things adds a whole lot more value to your life than just believing in things?
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  AEvansposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I wholeheartedly understand and at the same time I know there is a God. Miracles are not man-made. You were a miracle when you were created, you were chosen and destined to be placed on this Earth. You have a purpose while on Earth and it is our choice which direction we will walk. God gives all of us 'Free Will.'
  
  I walk through 'Faith' and not by sight. I have so much Faith that when a person who does not believe tries to shake my belief I do not falter. You see it is not my place to judge anyone for what they believe and God knows where my heart is. It is my God given right to defend who I am with the Lord just like it is your right to defend your belief.
  
  I don't have to question you or your thoughts because I am at Peace with mine.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Contradict much?
  
  Really? It sure looked like a biological process based on millions of years of evolution. So, for you... evolution = miracles?
  
  Yeah, sure.
  
  God does not give rights, he removes and replaces them with commands.
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  My God gives no judgement, for to me, even my God does not exist. It's an extension of my self, as an instrument is an extension of the musician.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Instruments can be seen and heard. Huge difference between that and an irrational belief.
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You have totally missed the meaning of what I said... It's my personal drive to believe or practice what I do, the motivation is still intangible and based fully on the ideals of the individual.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'm happy for you.
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  Joy56posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  so nice to see you stand up for what you believe in, you should not have to make excuses for believing well done you.
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  Jean Bakulaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  AEvans,
  I perhaps misstated myself. I do not believe Jesus was a myth. I believe he lived, and had a very bold statement to make in his time. Until Jesus appeared, nobody would have suggested that love of each other was as important as it is. I believe the plagues came, but that there were natural reasons for their occurances. I have a neighbor born in Israel, and he says anyone can walk across the Red Sea at low tide, just like one can do in Nova Scotia. He wasn't lying to me. I think much of what Jesus said has been misunderstood, but also think much of what he had to say is a great tool for guidance, and I believe in miracles too. I just dislike these discussions where people rewrite pages of scriptures to prove their points, and it's usually the same people. I agree to each their own, everyone has to choose what to believe. As long as you've thought about it yourself, and considered it seriously in your own mind. Many just stay with the religion they were brought up in, know nothing about its doctrines, and go around calling themselves believers in that faith. I did not mean to suggest that you are one of them. Sometimes these forums cause one to seem to be speaking to the wrong person.
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  MickeySrposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Jean Bakula ~ ":blindly believe" or reject any consideration of the text's validity are not the only two options - there are many believers who own and practice a thoughtful, critical, informed confidence in the validity of the text of Scripture. The great deception of our post-modern culture is that Christians and non-Christians can be divided along intellectual capacity lines . . . many today are seduced by the false notion that it's this simple, if you're smart you know this Bible stuff is silliness and if you actually believe the Bible then it can only be because you're not smart enough and bold enough and emotionally sound enough to escape the superstitious fairy tales of your youth. The reality is that there are many brilliant, educated, levelheaded people who have fully escaped the sway of their culture and believe the Bible to be the revealed word of the one true God.
  
  This forum introduces this subject talking about trusting evidence rather than just accepting whatever you're told - Jean, your commonly believed charge that "The book was changed so many times" is simply demonstrably not supported by the evidence and the claim that "The Gnostic gospels . . . are more truthful" is a popular notion today but, again, is not supportable from the evidence.
  
  And the oft heard accusation that the Bible contradicts itself comes from a poor reading of the text. Think about it; you can find passages in "Gone With The Wind" where Rhett Butler assures Scarlett O'Hara of his love - you can also find passages where he tells her bluntly that he doesn't "give a damn' what happens to her . . . it's a book, it is a whole made-up of a great many parts, a story unfolds. There is no seeming contradiction in the Bible that is not understandable when the book, the story, is taken as a whole.
  
  I am not including this link to promote my own hub, but offering it because it very directly addresses this very issue - with factual evidence ~
  
  http://mickeysr.hubpages.com/hub/Regula … -The-Bible
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  Shiningstar4u2cposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  AEvans, I agree! What see as a contradiction is not a contradiction at all, they just have not learned the truth of the matter. I have found the Bible AKJV to be explicit and powerful and amazing in its revelation of God to me and to the many who have harnessed its ability to greatly enhance their lives richly and they have as I have found God within its glorious pages. It is not for everyone, though it is available to everyone, but God knew who would believe and who would not and He "predestinated" those people accordingly.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Baloney.
  
  See, you have nothing but a book written by men. That isn't truth, it's deception.
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  Shiningstar4u2cposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I like "baloney" so thank you. Listen it is a book that has totally been wrongly interpreted by millions of people. Misinterpreted, misconstrued, wrongly taught from and on and on. See it is a book ordained by God and a Book written from the inspiration of God! it is the center piece of all of Christendom, this book is so loved that it would cause Jews and Gentiles alike to gladly give their very lives with smiles on their faces for what this book contains and what they found in its pages! What is it that makes you say, "Baloney" and another one give his life to be burned at the stake for it, to shed his own blood for it, to be ridiculed and mocked and made fun of and beaten and to live destitute and in despair and risk jail and death and beatings right now around the world for this book and the Eternal God they have found within its pages? See what a mockery you are, when this book is here today because great mighty and precious and honorable men and women have given their very lives in sacrifice for its continuance, yet you, simply because you do not believe belittle such a holy godly book, that its value has been paid for with lives and blood of holy people and a Holy God! beware oh troubled man, God thinks this book he has sent to be most precious and if you dare continue to anger Him, Sudden destruction will come upon you and will trouble you whole household. I warn you to not keep on with such mockery and to give it its due respect if for no other reason but that people have shed their own blood and given their very life for its contents. Give it respect for that if nothing else!
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you for admitting you have misinterpreted, misconstrued and are wrongly teaching it here.
  
  No, it isn't, it is a book written by men.
  
  That would be pure stupidity of their part to give away their lives for a book.
  
  And, that is a good thing, how?
  
  Again, pure stupidity on their part.
  
  Your invisible, impotent God has no power, deal with it.
  
  Those ridiculous beliefs do not deserve any respect whatsoever, especially since all they've caused is to make good people do stupid things, which you've most succinctly described.
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  Shiningstar4u2cposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I challenge you Spirit of Wickedness that my God is surely very powerful and more powerful than you could ever think! Do not belittle this God I serve, for he will cast you and that wicked Spirit that has ahold of you in a bad bad place! Do not dare challenge Him Satan or He will show Himself mighty and strong and rend the Heavens and Show You His Power but you will not like it! I challenge you Devil in the Name of Jesus Christ to dare continue your filthy vile unbelief.
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  My God's better than your's... It never gets old to those that know nothing else.
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  Shiningstar4u2cposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Your judgment will come and you will see. Satan is no God, He actually does not even exist, but to those who live in unbelief, but to all Christians He is long gone forever more. I will post no more on this forum. But I have warned you all to do not bring God directly into this forum or He will see your wickedness and bring judgment upon you. Watch your lives, it is already on its way to you. Good Bye
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  More contradictions. Are you not even able to be consistent with lies?
  
  Your words are empty and all they do is cause hatred and ill will towards others.
  
  I ask you people, is this the kind of Christianity you want in the world?
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  jacharlessposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  did you just pull the Elijah Card? that's funny.
  "Call on your gods louder, pagan", Elijah said, "Maybe your god is in the toilet and cannot hear you.."
  
  ps, wickedness is not to be challenged by faith, it is to be illuminated by faith so that darkness can become light as well. so that rabble seems like doctrinal regurgitation and has no power or place. Sorry.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  So, now I'm wicked? Sorry, but your words are as impotent and pointless as those in the Bible that talk about God being powerful, He is not. He does nothing and can do nothing, so why bother believing that garbage?
  
  More useless threats that do nothing but show how much hatred you have towards others who don't share those useless beliefs. Why not just live like Jesus would want you to live rather than causing conflict and ill will towards others?
  
  And, there you have it, the Christian we never want to see, the Christian who spreads hatred, the Christian who does not abide by the words of Jesus, the Christian that makes others turn away from Christianity and embarrasses and shames those who would follow the words of Jesus.
  
  Shiningstar4u2c has made a shining example of this thread and why it is important to think about. If you are a Christian and don't agree with Shiningstar4u2c, please say so and let them know how you feel about the way they are acting and how they are destroying your faith in Jesus.
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That happened long ago, when a christian told me "Katrina stands for vengeance". He continued by saying that "the people New Orleans deserved it".
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Don't be too harsh on poor little Shiningstar4u2c folks. He, or she, has at last found a subject to be expert in.
  
  Now, to define an "expert," - x = the unknown quantity and a "spurt" is caused by a drip under pressure.
  
  I am not trying to be unkind to you, Shiningstar4u2c, but if you can laugh with us, and see a reflection of your own attitudes, then that will be a great step forward for you.
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That is the culmination of everything I've been saying since I started writing in the HP. People are so attached to what they think they know, that no other information is useful. It's almost painful to watch, but it's like watching a child try to eat a basketball, You just can't look away.
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  Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  @mischeviousme There are knowledge that you have not yet learn about the bible that would give you a complete understanding...your conclusion would be different,believe me.
  
  You miss learning the SPIRITUALITY of the bible,therefore you only came away with only a part of what it is trying to tell you my friend. But the time have come that it shall be known to humankind. You ran away too soon.There is more to be learn than what is already here.
  
  You grow as you know,and show as you go.
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  Shiningstar4u2cposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Very well said Apostle Jack. He can only judge what he seen and He has not seen the whole thing yet. There is a spiritual side that is extremely rich and powerful and upon discovering this, I have had angelic visitations, visions that came astoundly true, and God speak to me like I had never known before. praise God!
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  Shiningstar4u2cposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Michevious - You was never a "Christian" and you cannot "Unlearn" anything. it would have been better for you to never have come to the Knowledge of God and then turn away, because now you know and when you know you are charged with wrongs and your own conscience will hand you over to God for rejecting His Word. it is like a Policeman and the Law, You will serve the Law one way or another, either in its protection and Graces or in its confines and prisons, but either way you and troubled man will serve Him. I choose His grace!
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Unless you are me, do not speak for me. I could spout all sorts of scripture, I choose not to, it proves nothing and I choose to use only my own language, therefor my argument is mine, not a prefabricated, indoctrinated, washdown of a point of view. If I have a God, surely it's nowhere near as cruel and biased as your's.
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BLACKANDGOLDJACKposted 12 years ago
Larry (Castlepaloma), Curly (jonnycomelately), and Moe (mischieviousme), you three stooges should go make a new movie.

Yinz three make a black hole look bright and a rock sound smart.
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  Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Stick to football, you don't know your comedy
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  Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Stick to football, you don't know your comedy
  
  We are non-violent resistance to tyranny
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Paul Wingertposted 12 years ago
Taking the Bible literally is rediculous. The Jews who wrote it never took it literally and neither does the Vatican - anymore. So if the people who wrote it (the Jews) only use the stories as simple teaching tools, and not literally, why would anyone else think differently?
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  Michele Travisposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That is because the Vatican has so much hidden, we could probably find many answers to all the questions people keep asking here. Just my thoughts.
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Emile Rposted 12 years ago
I'll be honest. I see great wisdom in the Bible. To take it literally is to skim the surface, which is an unavoidable step if the message in the gospels is a part of your path to enlightenment. It's like kids singing 'Jesus loves me'. If that's all you do, memorize the words, that's all you know. You may be able to sing in tune, but once the music stops you are done. Because you never did anything but memorize a few words.

But, I also think that any who go out of their way to make fun of it are no more enlightened than the ones skimming the surface. They've simply memorized a different tune.
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  All are enlightened, though the dream of life blinds the seeker. We think by learning we gain answers, though none are true beyond the student.
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  Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That's a contradiction. You can't be both blind and enlightened. We all possess the same potential. Some choose different paths. Some choose no path at all, but that too is a valid path.The greatest tragedy is the time wasted belittling the paths of others.
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Look, I didn't start picking until I was given a reasonable excuse. I've said that I walk both sides and I mean it. I don't have a religion but I do have a God, a deeply personal God. My God is no different from any other for all Gods/gods are the same, a persona of the mind. I don't hate anyone and I don't hate christianity, I just hate where it's going. It seems with every generation the tentions grow among the different beliefs, leaving in their wake a jaded populace, tiring of the hate it compounds.
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  Jean Bakulaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you for putting that in better words than I can. These forums are maddening, I am going to stop visiting them. I dislike being preached to all the time.
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  Shiningstar4u2cposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Emile R - very well said. You get out of it what you put into it. The more I researched and spent countless hours in study of it and delved very deep into it and I have read it from Gen to Rev a number of times and every single time I get more enriched by it and more blessed by it and it feeds my soul and enlightens to greater heights every single time. I Love the Word of God!
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  And yet, no God, just a book written by men.
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  Shiningstar4u2cposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Listen, God is a Spirit and He became a Human Being and that Human Being ordained and inspired the Words written in that book. You cannot see God with your natural eyes. You can only see Him in the person of Jesus Christ. The Bible was written to reveal to you a way, a truth and a life so that you could find this God and begin to understand Him. I found God in that book and just because you have not WHO is to blame but YOU! Open your eyes, humble yourself, quit being so blind to it, stop fighting against it, and humble your heart and have faith and I guarantee you you will see and find God in that Book and you would find Him so beautiful and precious and Holy and loving and you would gladly give your life for that very book and God that you would find within its holy pages!
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Then, everything you say about God is false.
  
  No, you didn't. You found only words written by men and nothing else.
  
  That would be the ultimate stupidity, to die for a book.
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  Shiningstar4u2cposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I found a God that does not exist to you. But He surely exist to me and He speaks to me daily. Makes you mad doesn't it? He speaks and shows Himself mighty for His people but you are all mad because He will not prove Himself to you. But He has others. Why you so mad for? is that it? he will show Himself to you as well if you will cease to fight Him.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The only thing that makes people mad are the lies being spread about God, lies like God speaking to people.
  
  You will never stop fighting for your invisible God, and if He actually spoke to you, He would tell you to stop fighting and live your life without the garbage and nonsense you are currently spewing here. What you hear in your head are your own words, not His. YOU are the one who is fighting for nothing and turning Christianity into a mockery.
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mischeviousmeposted 12 years ago
Why not just embrace others, you don't need a bible for that. If however you are looking into the age of reason, then religion is good for historic purposes.
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  Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Good Question mischeviousme
  
  One thing, I am switching much more of my time from the religious forum to the art forum to start with. Lately I've work out my time priority for the last few weeks and was thinking I am too curious about the unknowns and not getting enough healthy reasoning behind religious thoughts processes. Good for a few laughs yet deeper belly laughs come from things where everything has a reason. That absence of reason is the ultimate reason for evil.
  
  I thank the Religion Philosophy for teaching me a few things, yet time to move on to bigger and better time spent
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Diane Insideposted 12 years ago
Nothing useful........

I too no longer attend church, but I think there are a number of useful things one could learn from the bible believer or not.

The ten commandments.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Love thy neighbor as thyself.

etc, ect, ect,.....
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mischeviousmeposted 12 years ago
in·doc·tri·na·tion
[in-dok-truh-ney-shuhn] Show IPA

noun
the act of indoctrinating, or teaching or inculcating a doctrine, principle, or ideology, especially one with a specific point of view: religious indoctrination.

In other words, the cramming down the throat of another, the personal point of view of one's ideology. The teaching of principals accepted by a group, upon an individual, in hopes of creating a blind follower, unable from then on to think originally.
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mischeviousmeposted 12 years ago
Impasse means tie. You cannot have an impasse, unless you are vying for the same goal. It's not an impasse, it's a separate point of view; a disagreement on a personal level.
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  jacharlessposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  well then it is an impasse, a tie, equal balance between pro-con relationship, regarding belief-disbelief, yes?
  
  each has equal grievance and right, on a personal level of which neither seems to be budging, in either direction. Yup, I'd call that an impasse. Thanks for the back up!
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  2 opposing views does not make for an impasse, for one you would have to be equal and see eachother as equals. Niether side is equal, on either side... one will always be considered lower to the other, until both are seen as equal on both sides, it's still a war of one-upmanship.
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  jacharlessposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  True, if one is among either group. Then yes, it cannot be impasse.
  As an outsider, of either, I see them as equals.
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  To them it is still a war, to us it's an insanity propagated by bias and selfish (presumably selfless), endevour.
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jacharlessposted 12 years ago
So that includes all science too and every other literary work in human history -less cave drawings(?) -as all books are written by man.
else, that is 'selectivity' or bias...
Just an observation.
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  One is an observation of point of view, the other an observation of reality. While both hold equal presidence, they are still only valid to the individual observer.
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  Shiningstar4u2cposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus said to you and I and those of His day, "According to your faith, so be it unto you", and the Bible says, God will "feed you the fruit of your own thoughts". The Bible says also, that"Even the Devil believes and TREMBLES", even the Devil believes there is a God and believes in the Word of God because He quoted it to Jesus Christ Himself! See you can believe a lie and be damned for all eternity! or you can believe in truth and receive eternal life. God knows who will believe and who will not and that alone should scare anyone who fights against God and His Word, because that may be an good indication that God is sending you strong delusions so that YOU will believe this lie about the Bible and God so that YOU will be damned. God Have mercy on all of you who do such foolishness!
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Mercy on you for the damning of others... If God so loved the world, there would be no religion in which to hold over another. There are no lofty heights, as those of pious. You can believe you are made better, yet you would eat, sleep and die the same.
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  jacharlessposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  :spot on:
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  Shiningstar4u2cposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  God is the one who sends the delusion and it is YOUR own faith that condemns you to eternal damnation. I am not responsible for your soul, you are and if you choose to not believe then so be it, you will be rewarded accordingly.
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  And you believe your reward is better? The reward for life is death, there is but one journey and you're on it, it differs not from person to person, only by point of view. This a short road, the journey from birth to death and you have only your eyes to observe it.
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  Shiningstar4u2cposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It is not my reward, it is Gods. I received it, Eternal Life, because I lifted up my faith in what Christ did for me. plain and simple.
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Eternal life would get boring. Why not mix it up with a splash of death? The reward you seek will only lead to disapointment, for an eternity is a staggeringly long time. You would do everything, then what? Sit up on your golden pedestal and wish you never had an eternity...
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  Shiningstar4u2cposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  First there is no such thing as Time in Eternity! Time does not exist in that Eternal World. Satan has been able to transform a Whole Planet from caveman days to the world we have now, so can you imagine what He would be doing for the future? God began all existence and has been doing something brand new for billions of years and will be doing something new in the eons to come, God never runs out. Your finite unbelieving mind is boxed in by your own statements. Gods mind is ever brand new and creating new things always. Look at all the myriads of life He has made that man has yet to begin to understand.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You have just admitted your God has no power.
  
  You have just contradicted yourself.
  
  Man understands it was evolution, not God who created the "myriads of life"
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  jacharlessposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Interjecting here.
  I have often wondered and indirectly asked people if this is actually true:
  Have you, in fact, lifted up faith or in fact lifted up ego -which looks a lot like faith, but with no substantial root, except the euphoria of feeling like you did, through melody and name evoking...
  
  [note: I am not attempting to cause you to question beliefs nor the application of them [ritual belief], just wondering how honest and forthright the statement is.]
  
  James.
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  Shiningstar4u2cposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Let me change it for you. I said what I said for your own understanding sake. In all reality, Jesus came to me and placed eternal life within my heart, I had nothing to do with it. I just know now what eternal life is, because I have it inside me now and I also know what death is where it came from and its end. So it is something He gave to me. I am so happy!!!!
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  jacharlessposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Fair enough and thoroughly respected, from my veiwpoint.
  So, may I follow up with a few inquiries?
  
  1. Why do you believe Y`shua came to you and put that power in you?
  2. Having this Eternal Life (elohim; heaven-earth) in you, what manifestation of it is showing outside -what is that fruit and your witnesses to testify of that fruit versus Y`shua Testimony remembered or implied instead?
  
  Again, merely curious. Not judging or bait-switching.
  James.
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Can you not be happy on your own accord, or do you need a placebo to do so?
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That is what's wrong with Christianity, folks who believe they're just so much better than everyone else, but never actually live it or show it.
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It's all about being able to claim the title, nevermind the particulars.
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  Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  lol
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It's true though... If I can claim I'm better, by title, then I can ellevate myself to such lofty heights and have license to judge others.
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  Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  ....true they are the World champion of Judging others and use the carrot and the stick. They use it on and off and all the time, until you agree or they get sick or you ware them out , then they ignore you for a wail and maybe try again
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  They only truly give up, when they run out of regurgitants. They cannot think for themselve's and for that, I am sad for them.
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  Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I think have had enough of insane parrot regurgitantion of med evil times for a wail anyway, it's getting to the point of not even being fun anymore due to a great lack of reasoning behind it and I'm going spend more of my time having serious fun
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  There you go, live your life and make life comfortable for others. You don't need a religion for that, only a good conscience.
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  Shiningstar4u2cposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  God did and does so "Loved" the World, but not this present world! Loved means He so loved that world of innocence that Adam and Eve was in and He gave His Life so that that World would return in the great Millennium. it is not this world He so loved, if so why is He going to burn it with Fire!
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I see no observation, I only see dishonesty in that post.
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  jacharlessposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, so you are admitting bias(?). kudos to you.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No, I'm pointing out your dishonesty.
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  jacharlessposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  may i ask for a show-n-tell of my dishonesty(?)
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Shiningstar4u2cposted 12 years ago
Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
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mischeviousmeposted 12 years ago
http://youtu.be/iCCSp2nUpaY

Gotta watch the whole thing to see where I'm going with this. How real does one think that garbage realy is? Sorry if it's offensive, it's just comedy.
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  Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  lol
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Joe Rogan's pretty funny, but I was only really pointing out the part about Noah's ark. Even an 8yr old would see the flaw in that story.
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  Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not that retarded,
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  Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You better say something mischeviousme, before some people wonder
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SanXuaryposted 12 years ago
F. Y.
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Loi-Reneeposted 12 years ago
Even though you've turn your back on God He still loves you and is willing and able to forgive you for all that you have done.
You say there is no God and that the Bible is a lie. If there is no God Where did you come from?
How is it that you are alive? Your life did not come from man because man cannot create a living thing.
I think you say the Bible is a lie because you want to be spoon fed. God did not intend for us to be robots who will do His whim. We all have a choice and the Bible is merely a guideline and a compilation of His teachings, laws, promises, and deeds.
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I've turned my back on generic, mundane version of God. I don't find it necessary to worship the idea of God from the standpoint of another.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Millions of years of evolution.
  
  Ever hear about the birds and the bees?
  
  Yes, it has nothing to do with comparing reality with the Bible.
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  Loi-Reneeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Say your belief in Evolution has some grounds. Where did it all start? How did it all start? Think about the very first stage of evolution (which I do not believe in by the way) and then tell me how that first thing came into being.
  Comparing reality to the Bible: My opinion is that it all depends on, well, opinion.
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Knowing how "it started" is not necessary. It might be interesting and conversation-generating, ok. But if you start with the world as it is for you Now, and simply open your eyes. There is ample sustenance to keep you going in awe and wonder. The arguments will take up valuable, irreplaceable time and energy, to no avail.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  For the millionth time, it is not a belief, it is an understanding.
  
  You are asking a question that is not related to evolution, which means you don't know much about evolution, which means you are not being honest about saying you don't believe in it if you don't know anything about it.
  
  Try learning something about evolution so you can actually comment on it. But, be very careful, you might actually wind up understanding it.
  
  No, it depends entirely on reality, which NEVER offers opinions, only facts.
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Loi-Reneeposted 12 years ago
It is not the "idea" of God that is to be worshiped but God himself. No one can change who God is and God does not change. Worshiping God based on an idea of what He is instead of who He is, is almost the same as idolatry. You are not worshiping God but your own idea of what you want him to be.
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  And you do no different? Think about it... You think you know what God is. But do you realy or do you just have an idea?
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  Loi-Reneeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The only way to know what/who God is is through the Bible. I try not to add or subtract from what he says about himself in it. I must admit that on occasions I do use my 'ideas' of who God is to define Him but that doesn't make it right.
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I beg to differ! Via the Bible, blinkered, bolstered by the knowledge that others back you up, you will only get what your mind, accompanied by the workings of others' minds, interprets it to mean.
  
  Use the bible as a reference and a set of guidelines. Use it in helping yourself to look INSIDE of your own self, that very centre of your being, which is YOUR connection with YOUR god. It's all very personal. YOU can get a consciousness which is not available to any other being, because YOU ("I AM") are unique.
  
  Having done that, with the help of biblical and other insights, you will find your kinship with every other being, of every hue.
  
  There is no magical or easy "let someone else do it for me" path. It's in your hands. You have to do the work. That image of Christ and/or God that you have will not help you. It will only cloud your judgment.
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mischeviousmeposted 12 years ago
Sorry I've been gone all day, had to work... I've been gone for a good while. Still no different, I see. I was thinking on it, talking to my God (myself), and I had an epiphany. There's nothing wrong with telling people how it is, I just have to mindful of the fact that, they probably have ideas of their own. But I also know, that if it weren't for people that disagree, I would not know the strength of my resolve.
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  AEvansposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  What you said is so true, so glad you had gotten an epiphany. But remember you are not God, there is only one. But I understand you too.
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  1 Corinthians 8:5–6 (NASB95)
  
  5 For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords,
  
  6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, ...
  
  If it's in the bible, it must be true. It says there are many gods, yet they are in lower case form... If the view was seen from another angle (an outside religion), would they not too see your's as a god?
  
  Thank you for being so face all the time. You're very sweet.
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  AEvansposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  In Corinthians they were talking about False idols as many Gods, but if you did not believe they would look at our God as an idol. But to a believer there is only one God and my God says to only worship him. He is the same God that sent Moses up the mountain to write The Ten Commandments. Nobody ever wins when talking religion, but it is nice when people can get along and place there own opinions.
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schoolgirlforrealposted 12 years ago
I like proverbs. Solomon was said to be very wise, asked for wisdom, not money pretty cool huh?

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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That's how it should be... A good conversation, between 2 intelegent human beings.
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