Resolved: can we have a page where we can see all search keywords?

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   Robie Benveposted 12 years ago

   I love to see what people were looking for when they found my hubs, it helps me choosing new titles and see which questions I left unanswered.
   
   I was hoping to see keywords under Traffic Sources, but I have to click on each hub and then stats, and then keywords.... quite a long process to check them all out.
   
   maybe I'm getting lazy or just short on time, but I would love to have one place on HubPages that shows all the keywords of my searches, at least the recent ones.
   
   (I know I can get them on Google Analytics. But, again, it would be wonderful to see them on HP.)
   
   Thanks for reading. : )

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      WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Title tuner?

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         Robie Benveposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Hi WryLilt, title tuner is what I have been using so far to limit clicks, but it does not showcase all hubs.
         And unfortunately the missing ones are often the ones with most views - it makes sense, they probably don't need much tuning. : )

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            WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            The Title Tuner should display all hubs that are getting Google views; or it does in my experience.

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               Robie Benveposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I don't know, I only get 30 hubs out of 52, and they pretty much all get google hits.
               I noticed that some hubs get mainly the exact search words that are already in the title, so they don't show in title tuner, the others I'm not sure.

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                  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Are you sure the other ones are getting search engine traffic?
                  
                  And if you click on the suggestions it should show the exact searches.

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                     Robie Benveposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Yes, for instance my hub
                     Elements of Painting: Value and Color
                     does not appear in the title turner, but in the stats keywords I get all of the following:
                     elements of painting :85
                     element of painting :4
                     elements in painting value :2
                     elements of painting texture :2
                     what are the elements of painting :2
                     elements of painting color :1
                         element of painting-color :1
                     etc etc...
                     It looks like if the words in the search are close enough, it does not trigger title search.

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                        WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Hmmm ok, I learn something new everyday.

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   relacheposted 12 years ago

   Use Google Analytics. 
   
   There's no reason for HubPages to waste time and resources reinventing the Analytics wheel.

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      Robie Benveposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Relache, I totally see that. I was just wondering if it would be an easy feature to set up, since all the info is already there but scattered.
      : )

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         relacheposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         HubPages admin has repeatedly said since the beginning that stats here are meant to be an extremely basic overview and that for detailed information Analytics is best.  They built the site to use that service on purpose, not as some random afterthought.

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            Robie Benveposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            My bad, I did not see this info before. Thanks.

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            Sally's Troveposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            HP already collects the rather robust data the OP is asking for. It's a matter of producing a report to aggregate the data in one place as opposed to having it spread across individual hubs.

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               Robie Benveposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Hi Sally, that's exactly the thought that made me start this thread. : ))

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   Greekgeekposted 12 years ago

   Relache, the Analytics wheel is actually woefully inadequate.
   
   I don't know about you, but 20% of my Google traffic across different sites is "not provided" by Google. That's continuing to climb since more and more data is getting withheld by Google. (Of course, it's available to advertisers, but not us.)
   
   Relying on Analytics makes us ever more dependent on Google's teat. Which Google likes. However, search traffic from other search engines counts to, and can help insulate us against the vaguaries of the Google algorithm.
   
   On Squidoo, we can also see all the search terms from Bing, Yahoo, Ask, and other SEs. I can also see what precise referral pages are sending me traffic. I don't care what domains are sending me traffic -- that's useless -- I care what pages are sending traffic. I want to know what those pages are, what they're relevant for, and who their audience is, so I can respond to that audience. I also want to know which of my hubs are earning, and what readers are clicking on, so I can tell what's successful.
   
   Google Analytics doesn't provide most of that, or withholds info. In-house tools of the same sort on Hubpages would make it much, much easier to learn what's working and what isn't. The more members who are learning from their reader stats what their readers want, the more likely they are to create more effective pages and boost Hubpages' overall Panda score. I don't consider that a waste of resources.
   
   I respect that Hubpages wants to keep things simple and their database uncluttered, but the end result is that its users have much less information on search traffic even if they go to Google Analytics, which is hard for beginners to use. I suspect a majority of HP users DON'T use GA, because it's too difficult. This impacts not only their own success, but Hubpages as a whole.

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      Sally's Troveposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      +1

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      Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      If Squidoo can do it, then HubPages needs to lift its game!
      
      
      
      I'm one of those who doesn't use GA.  I used to (admittedly at a fairly basic level).   But I just can't make head nor tail of the new version (I kept going back to the old version until they removed that option), and now I can't get anything useful out of it.

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   MickiSposted 12 years ago

   Google Analytics really is the best place to get this data. As someone else on this thread pointed out, we can't re-invent the wheel with our limited resources.
   
   I confirmed in several people's accounts that Google Analytics does, in fact, report the sources for keywords for all search engines. It can be found in Traffic Source > Search > Organic > click the 'keyword' link in the report body to see the list of keywords. Click any keyword to see the number of searches by engine.

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      Sally's Troveposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I pointed out that you already collect that data. Why not put it in a more user-friendly format?
      
      I've had Analytics for a long time, but rarely go through the jungle it is. I find it counter-intuitive and entirely too much work for someone who's earning maybe 50 a month on HP. Maybe you could put this request in a queue for the future?

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         WriteAngledposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Agreed!
         
         I am also amused that this issue has been described as "resolved".
         
         "Rejected out of hand" would be a more appropriate tag.

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            derek gulbransonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Hi WriteAngled. I don't normally chime in on these but I don't feel "rejected out of hand" is really fair here. We sincerely investigated this request and after 3 weeks of community discussion we decided the cost of developing this feature is not justified. It's duplicative and does not have a significant enough effect on helping Hubbers reach their goals to warrant our development efforts. It's fine if you disagree, those of us responsible for the decisions don't always agree either. But I didn't want you to think we didn't seriously evaluate this request. Keep in mind that while all of HubPages features are free for you to use, they are not free for us to create. (Personally I can think of 10 features I would rather buy before this one.)
            
            Personally, I have the report your asking for set up as a weekly email from Google Analytics for all my Hubs. It's pretty simple, just find the page and then press the email button at the top. It will walk you through setting it up as a weekly email.
            
            I think if Google Analytics sucks, that's a problem for Google's forums. But from my own experience I'd say that, while its frequent changes can be frustrating, Google Analytics definitely a tool worth keeping up to date with.

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               WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Agreed. I find the fact that Hubpages has each hub's keywords on their own easier to use.
               
               In Analytics it's a huge list of mixed up keywords and with hubs on similar topics, it's hard to match them up to content.

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            Sally's Troveposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Agreed.

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