Cowards on HubPages

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   Peter Hogganposted 16 years ago

   I recently made a post on a hub entitled 'Cowards on HubPages' The post was denied with this explanation:
   
   I have denied some comments here because they contain only personal derrision and although the forums will not be moderated, evidently, I will moderate my pages. Disagreement and opposing views are no problem, but personal attacks are. You might as well not even try that here, Marisa and Peter.
   
   Here is the post that was denied
   
   There are definitely a few hubbers that don’t take critical comments well, especially those who post overly promotional hubs. There are also a good number of hubbers that are quick to post unnecessarily derogatory remarks.
   
   In this case, however, the assumptions made by recraig2 are entirely wrong and the tone of hub says much about his character. This hub, in my opinion, identifies him as one of the very people he seems to be pointing his finger at. i.e. infantile

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   Peter Hogganposted 16 years ago

   Anyone else being censored please feel free to post here.

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      Lady Guinevereposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Oh yeah I am censored all over the place on the hubs and in forums.  They just don't like what I say and they have even called me names.

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      panah100posted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Peter, I may be young and naive, but censorship is nothing new to me. It happens all the time, and I believe sometimes its necessary (dealing with folks who shouldn't be online). And aggressive marketers never learn. So what can you do?

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   Mark Knowlesposted 16 years ago

   He is a troll and appears to be here just to fight.
   
   http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/10090
   
   I am not sure starting another argument in the forums is going to do you a lot of good though. I for one think people should be allowed to delete whatever comments they choose from their own hubs.
   
   Like I always say to anyone who starts fighting on my hubs or blogs -
   
   I am the one with the "delete" button - therefore I get to have the last word

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   Peter Hogganposted 16 years ago

   Mark, I tend to agree with what you say and have had comments blocked before which I just ignored. However, in this instance the grounds for the original complaint were completely unfounded and resulted in fellow hubbers being called infantile. What I find hypocritical, and the reason for this side thread, is the fact that when his actions are called infantile by another hubber the comment is censored. Secondly, he used my name in connection with an attack of personal derision which needs to be cleared up.

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      Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Well, even though we are on the internet, there are still libel laws around.
      
      I just do not think you are going to get this sort of person to give in. They feed on fighting and animosity. They like nothing better than upsetting people and watching their reactions.
      
      It is obvious he is just here to sow dissent and discord. I spotted him the moment I read his profile page. With a little luck he will attack the wrong person and get himself deleted

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   jimmythejockposted 16 years ago

   Can I stop cowering in the corner yet? is he gone.....jimmy

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      Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      I always knew you Indian elves were cowards deep down

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         jimmythejockposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         You know me so well Mark, lol.....jimmy

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         VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         Dont you think it is not fair to say "Indian elves were cowards"?  Your bravery need not be shown in Hub Pages.

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            Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            This was a joke in reference to another thread.
            
            Do you have elves in India?

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               VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 16 years agoin reply to this

               No Indian elves in India.  Some may have come from somewhere.

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            Mishaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            Thank you for the giggles

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   conflictuniverseposted 16 years ago

   I see Mark is still in the forums giving people a hard time for no reason.
   
   You seriously need to get a woman Mark, and you Jimmy, his faithful pet.

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      jimmythejockposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Oh dear I think someone needs a sense of humor transplant, and to stop acting like a spoiled brat, maybe you should rethink your strategy and grow up a little.....jimmy
      P.S thankyou for the wonderful insult I really appreciate it, maybe next time you will think of a funny name to call me.

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         conflictuniverseposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         I don't really find people ganging up on newbies funny to be honest. So you, and your master should get another hobby. Perhaps pushing old ladies on front of cars or something
         
         
         

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            Marisa Wrightposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            I'm sorry, but I have to agree.  Mark and Misha, I love you to bits and some of the stuff you do is very funny - but I do think things have gone a bit far.  Yes, there is the odd idiots who posts on these forums, but deliberately baiting them only makes it worse.  You may think you are having a bit of harmless amusement making fun of them, but what we end up with is long threads full of hate. 
            
            Newbies who arrive in the forum don't always understand what the spammers did to deserve such invective, so they get the impression everyone on the forum is nasty to newbies.
            
            Let's not paint such a horrible picture of HubPages, it's not like that at all!

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               VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 16 years agoin reply to this

               "Yes, there are idiots who post on these forums, but...."   
               Is this the contribution of Marisa Wright to make newbies hate HP ?

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                  Marisa Wrightposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                  Not at all Venugopal.  It's an indisputable fact that on any forum, you will find idiots who arrive and make nonsensical or inflammatory or brazenly self-promotional posts.  I am not referring to any particular Hubber or anyone who has posted on this thread - I'm making a general statement about one of the realities of internet forums.  That's all.

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                     Mishaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                     So, how exactly you suggest to deal with that problem?

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                        Marisa Wrightposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                        Well, you may have noticed that baiting and making fun of them doesn't make them go away - it only makes them angry, and then a lot of nasty things are said on both sides.
                        
                        If you're sure they're idiots, ignoring them and letting their thread die is probably the best option.  If you're not sure whether they're genuine or fake, you could give them the benefit of the doubt for a post or two.

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                           Mishaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                           Well, I guess the difference among us is you assume people don't change. If they are nice - they are nice, if they are idiots - they are idiots. Forever. With that assumption, your position makes some sense - why bother?
                           
                           Can't say for Mark, but I assume that people do change actually, and sometimes pretty fast. I think even here on HP we saw several examples of people coming here all guns blazing playing idiots and becoming respected members of the community after a cold shower. We help them to change, and I think it's a worthy deed.
                           
                           On the other hand, I am not buying into "supporting Hubpages reputation". I had more than enough of this line back in USSR, always without exception used to restrict my freedom/rights. Since then, I don't care about reputation of any community I belong to, be it family, neighborhood, city, country, nation - you name it. I only care about my own one. Community reputation will take care of itself.
                           
                           Now, about what you mentioned on another thread about driving newbies away. Frankly, I don't care either. If people don't understand what the fight is about on those threads, they probably should not be online, and I definitely am not interested in having them around. Yes, there are probably some would be hubbers who would have been evolved into valuable community members. This is the cost of keeping this community as enjoyable and vibrant as it is now, and I am willing to pay it.
                           
                           Try to look at it as an entry barrier. Yes, it does not weed out all idiots unfortunately, and it does weed out some worthy people - but it does its job on average and makes this community what it is - one of the best in town for people who think for themselves

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                              Marisa Wrightposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                              No, that's not what I mean at all.  I'm one of those who was given a "cold shower" when I arrived.  If someone had pointed out what I was doing wrong in a nice way, I would have changed just as quickly.  No one deserves to be insulted and made fun of if they've made an innocent mistake. 
                              
                              I think it's very harsh to say that someone doesn't deserve to be online just because they're soft-hearted or sensitive.  I had a very high opinion of you as a Hubber, Misha, but that last post has disappointed me a great deal.

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   knolyourselfposted 16 years ago

   "I see Mark is still in the forums giving people a hard time for no reason".
   "conflictuniverse"
   Is this irony or what.

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      conflictuniverseposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Idiot, the fact that I said " "I see Mark is still ... " means that I have witnesses it time and time again. As for me, this is the first time I had said anything
      
      congrats, this post makes it my second time

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   gamergirlposted 16 years ago

   ROFL what is the deal lately with these people coming through accusing folks with full lives behind them and full lives ahead of them of having none?

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   gamergirlposted 16 years ago

   First you spam the forums, now you're making personal attacks on people for no reason.  You don't really like it here, do you?

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    conflictuniverseposted 16 years ago

    Hubpages users have a rep for being rude, and unhelpful.
    So far,  I haven't seen anything to prove this statement wrong.
    I would love to be proven wrong though

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       Lazurposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Tadaaaaa!!  How can I help you?

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    knolyourselfposted 16 years ago

    Lets make it a 3 timer. "Idiot". Now you owe me.
    "As for me, this is the first time I had said anything "
    Cause must be u have nuthin to say.

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    conflictuniverseposted 16 years ago

    You really have no freedom here.
    
    You can't do this, you can't do that.
    No wonder Squidoo people are so much more friendly, and helpful, they aren't caged by crappy rules, or harassed by stuffy old men with nothing to do

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       Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       
       
       Guess you must have been here in another persona then?
       
       Forexmaster?

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    knolyourselfposted 16 years ago

    "I don't really find people ganging up on newbies funny to be honest."
    Then maybe you should try-on a new mouth.

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       conflictuniverseposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       That makes no sense at all.
       Congrats on building 18 lenses in 12 month by the way.
       Perhaps if you spent less time on the forums being a smart ass, you might have 3 times that many by now and actually making some money.
       
       Then again, you don't seem the intelligent type.
       
       
       

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    gamergirlposted 16 years ago

    STOP.
    
    Just stop.
    
    There's no need to behave like this.  Please just move on, go about your merry way.

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    conflictuniverseposted 16 years ago

    Join Tags-I-Like and makes some posts please

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    gamergirlposted 16 years ago

    Please don't spam our forums.

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       conflictuniverseposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Sorry, I didn't realize you was the owner

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          Lady Guinevereposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Sir, Your attitude is the exact one the you say that you don't like.  Now I have only been in this forum topic a shor time.  You are complaining that *everyone* is rude here?  I ask of you how many have you really found rude.  It can't be all of us and it is rude to assume what you are assuming.  There are over thousands of members here--have you asked anything of all of them to come to your rediculous conclusion?

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          gamergirlposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          I'm not the owner, conflictuniverse - I'm just a HubFreak who doesn't like what you're doing right here, right now.  You post threads advertising your website, then come here in this thread and knock and two decent people, present yourself with a very poor attitude, and then expect us to all recoil in apology because you think Squidoo folks are more awesome.
          
          I think the people I meet are better judged based off themselves, not the site they frequent the most or where you met them first.
          
          Whatever the reason for your negative and cruddy outbursts, I hope you stop them soon, otherwise you're just going to see yourself be ignored, bashed on for your own antics, or who knows what else.
          
          It's the holiday season, there shouldn't be this much anger thrown at anybody.

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    Mishaposted 16 years ago

    Where is this newbie to stomp on?

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       Lazurposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Don't hurt me please

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    jimmythejockposted 16 years ago

    I know my place conflictuniverse, You insult me and I am not allowed to retort so like a good boy I will not reply to your petty ranting any further, take care and at least try to get into the community spirit have a nice Christmas and chill out.....jimmy

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    Zsuzsy Beeposted 16 years ago

    What is going on? Why are all these weirdos coming in here complaining. Doesn't it make sense to move on from some place where you do not enjoy yourself? I checked out squidoo last year and didn't much like it, so do I go and attack people there? No...I do not go back there... I stick with what I like, Hubpages.
    
    Here is a brain wave for you 'ConflictUnivers' an easy solution. I'm surprised a smaaart fellow like you hasn't thought of it yet... Go away from this aweful forum

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    Mishaposted 16 years ago

    You?
    
    Never! I never hurt women Lazur, cause for some reason I love them all

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       Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       <watch the language, even in jest>

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          Lazurposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          *sigh*

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             Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             No, Misha is the <watch the language, even in jest>.
             
             Didn't mean to suggest anything towards you.......
             
             Nice hat though

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             VioletSunposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             hehe.

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                Mishaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                Violet, you new avatar is really cute

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                   VioletSunposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                   Thank you! Felt it was time for a change.

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          Mishaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Never pretended I am not

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    knolyourselfposted 16 years ago

    "where Squidoo lensmasters and Hubpage authors can hang out,"
    Not lookin' like it.

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    conflictuniverseposted 16 years ago

    Lazur, is that your real picture, cause that's hot

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       Lazurposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       My face is real I won't expose the rest of my body otherwise Mark is going to suggest things, like saying I'm wearing a nice hat or something

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          conflictuniverseposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          I checked you out on your blog. Me likey

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    Lady Guinevereposted 16 years ago

    Not to be off topic, but how are you all getting those smilies on your responses?

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       Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       http://hubpages.com/forum/help/#bbcode
       
       

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    conflictuniverseposted 16 years ago

    beats me

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       Lady Guinevereposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Smart ass :p

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    Lady Guinevereposted 16 years ago

    

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    Marlene F.posted 16 years ago

    I am a Newbie here.  Is this all for real or a joke?  Sorry for being so seemingly naive, but I truely am......?????

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    VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 16 years ago

    A general clean up of Hub Pages may be necessary, if it is to survive.  People with animosity towards a group of people or a country or a religion should find no place there.  People with impartial sense will only will suit such a public forum like this.  Only "courageous"  people are needed here.

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       conflictuniverseposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Well, I guess I'm staying then

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    Miranda Rightsposted 16 years ago

    Newbies are the pond scum of the HubPages ecosystem. They exist only to be fed upon by apex hubbers.

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       Mishaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       I think you managed to escape this fate somehow

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          Leta Sposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Naw, you just need to know how to talk to the 'apexers,' then they turn into angels and saints. 

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             Miranda Rightsposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             Plus I offered a sacrificial hub as to please the apexers... (it's less messy than burnt flesh, and you can put the adsense on it!)

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                Leta Sposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                Excellent technique, Miranda!  lol

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       panah100posted 16 years agoin reply to this

       You lost me at ecosystem. What were you saying again?

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    Marlene F.posted 16 years ago

    OK...So I guess in only 3 weeks I have found a way to offend someone.  I apologize.  Guess I'll stick to writing Hubs instead of exploring the site to learn more about the people on it...I am very new to this and my last intent was to upset or offend.  Also, I have no idea what an apexer is, so if I have done something wrong I would love for someone to let me know.  Thank you.

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       Marisa Wrightposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       See what I mean, guys?    Marlene, I hope we can make you feel welcome on HubPages - sorry you got caught up in this business.  Give it time, and you'll find we're not all ogres after all!

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    Marlene F.posted 16 years ago

    Marisa,
    Thank you.  I also appreciate you giving me the advice about the photos.  I didn't know that there were on-line photos that I was allowed to use.  I thought they had to be personal pictures.  Thank you for helping me out.

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    Leta Sposted 16 years ago

    No, Marlene-
    
    No worries!  Much of this here is in double entendre with people just having fun. 
    
    I admit they did come on a little strong with me (well, one) when I first tumbled on the forums, but I am who I say I am and do what I say I do.  A lot of the brusqueness has to do with scammers and spammers and people trying to convert others to their religious views, etc.
    
    There are some nuts on here, but after you get used to them, you'll know how to avoid them...  There are also some very intelligent and well read people on Hubpages.  Some excellent writers.
    
    

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    Miranda Rightsposted 16 years ago

    To be serious for a second, Hub Pages is probably one of the least spammed and most friendly forums on the interwebs. If you think Misha or Mark are rough then you haven't been very far.... most places happily textually dismember foolish newbies for their amusement... by comparison the harshest comments around here don't even amount to a slap on the wrist...
    
    I guess what I want to say is zomg, harden up, this place is awesome... and sometimes everyone needs a little tough love

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    Leta Sposted 16 years ago

    I'm sure there is space for everybody...  Best (for me) is just to give others space.  I'm not that offended by differing opinions. 
    
    What I thought, when first on here, is that there are some very professional people on here--what do I want to say?  Serious writers, etc.?  And people who are who they say they are and do whatever they profess to do (man, you gotta to if you are using your actual name).  And I was expecting it to be more across the board.  I made my way in the print media for years, so--  It's a different world from internet.
    
    But viva la difference!  And there are some great people of all types on here.
    
    Just need to avoid (or change!) the trolls. 

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