How much editing is needed to get a hub back through evaluation?

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   sheilamyersposted 11 years ago

   I've been here long enough to realize that hub scores can be low for good hubs and high for those so-so hubs. I also know that hub scores are based on more than content so traffic and reader comments and other things alter the score. For the most part, I don't concern myself with the score as long as my hubs are featured and my hubber score remains high enough to keep the links I provide active and working. However, I know that while all of my earliest hubs are still featured, they aren't nearly at the level of quality of my newer hubs. I'd like to change that because I'm one of the people who do want HP to be recognized as a place people can go for great quality content. I've slightly edited a few hubs and I guess there wasn't enough change to send them back through the quality assessment and get assigned new scores. I've looked through the learning section and know what HP is looking for in the way of content and formatting, but haven't found the answers to my questions. How much editing of a featured hub needs to be done in order for it to be re-evaluated and assigned a new score? Or do I need to unpublish the hub, do the edits, and republish the new and improved one?

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      Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Really well said question. You are awesome. Delete the dog hubs. Then work on them. You have a bunch of time to re-publish them.
      But if you are as lame as me, be careful because old ones have better scores and even really working hard on one might have a lower score.
      I am here because of folks like you making it better every day. Thank you.

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         Carola Finchposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         From what I understand, the evaluation process occurs every time you update a hub.  Seems to me that revising a hub is much easier than trying to start from scratch.

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            sheilamyersposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I didn't notice any difference when I did a little bit of work on one of the hubs, but it could be that it was given the same score. When I do get around to working on them, I think I'll take your advice and revise them without first unpublishing them and see what happens.

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         sheilamyersposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Getting an even lower score is something I was thinking about. Since HP has been getting a little tougher on scoring, maybe some of the lower scoring hubs might have even lower scores after editing.

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      Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Editing will not cause your HubScore to be re-evaluated.  HubScore isn't assigned by the QAP, it's calculated by an automated process - and since traffic is a big part of the criteria, editing won't have a huge effect. 
      
      You'll see the tick boxes at the top right of your Hub - it's likely those criteria are used, at least in part, to calculate HubScore.  So you could try ticking some more boxes and see what the result is.

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         Writer Foxposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Traffic has little to do with HubScore.  I have a Hub with 125,000 views for the past two months and its HubScore is 79. And, yes, all the little boxes are checked. 
         
         The QAP score is used in the HubScore algorithm and it can certainly change when you edit a Hub.   In fact, Hubbers have reported a HubScore change of 10 or 20 points after a minor edit. Many Hubbers postpone minor edits in Hubs for that reason.

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            jansharesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            +1

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   calculus-geometryposted 11 years ago

   As Carola Finch says, they sent it through QAP every time you publish changes to a hub.
   http://hubpages.com/faq/#quality-assessment
   "Existing Hubs will be re-evaluated whenever they are edited, but may also be re-evaluated based on random sampling. "
   
   If it makes you feel better, some people have noticed an individual hub's score go down after editing. Only the person who designed the algorithm knows what makes it fluctuate.  If you think the changes you made will improve a reader's experience, that's the important thing.

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      sheilamyersposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks calculus. Somehow I missed that part about being re-evaluated when they're edited. And I think you hit on a very good point. I should only make the changes if it improves the reader's experience and that would include adding information, videos, etc which would lead to a better quality hub.

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         DrMark1961posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         If your hub is already good, and you are just editing to change the title and increase traffic, why do you think you need to make all of those other changes?
         (That hub score has absolutely nothing to do with how much you earn at the end of the month, by the way. Editing a title to increase traffic does.)

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            sheilamyersposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks. I don't use AdSense, but that's a good thing to know. I was thinking about making a few changes here and there only because I know some of the older hubs don't have all of the bells and whistles HP suggests. However. I've been thinking about it most of today and have come to the conclusion that not all hubs really need a video or a lot of pictures. I'll think about it some more.

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   jansharesposted 11 years ago

   sheilamyers, I have experienced what calculus-geometry refers to regarding drops in hub scores after minor editing. My primary reason for edits is to increase traffic, e.g., title changes, as well as adding capsules to enhance reader experience. But it seems more recently that when it goes back through QAP, scores either stay the same or drop. They do, however, sometimes increase after a few days. It's hard to know what the algorithm will do. When I edited several hubs yesterday, my hubber score went down a few points as well. I don't worry about it as much anymore. I will keep editing to make my hubs better and write some new ones.

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      sheilamyersposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The only thing that worries me about a dropping hubber score is that when it starts going down, I'm always afraid it'll crash. By what you and the others have said, it seems like it's more logical to only edit if and when doing so will increase traffic and/or the readers experience. I'll probably leave the hubs alone and only make changes for those reasons or if they get unfeatured in the future.

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   Nadine Mayposted 11 years ago

   Thanks to all the forum members for all your advice. I have one hub where the title of my hub is not shown on the address bar. I have not found a way to change that. Must I first withdraw the hub and then publish it again?

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      sheilamyersposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I've never had that happen. I hope someone else can answer your question so I can learn along with you.

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      Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Hey there let us just keep writing and helping others by that. I just love you all.

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      DrMark1961posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Do you mean the URL is different than the title you have given your hub? If that is the case, there is no way to change that except by deleting the hub and publishing it again. But why do you even care? Most of my hubs have URLs different than the title. It has no effect on your traffic.

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         Nadine Mayposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Oh I was hoping to be able to change it. Thanks for the advice. I would have to delete one hub since the URL title has a spelling error. I never spotted that at the beginning. The other hub I leave as you said, it makes no difference.

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            Jodahposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            One of my hubs 'Prince Plethora's Pleasure Palace originally had advertising removed because they said it didn't pas the automatic censorship process. Then they came back with that it had been reviewed by staff and found to be ok. So I added an eBay and Amazon capsule. Because I 'edited' it, it was sent for review again and came back with 'not suitable for advertising' again, and the only editing was the eBay and Amazon capsules. No I got notification that it has been unpublished due to 'adult' content. This is crazy, it was my most popular hub. Now I have deleted half the pics, changed some words and resubmitted. Has anyone else had this happen? I have read more explicit hubs than this before.

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               sheilamyersposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               I haven't any HP has designated as "adult content", but I've heard some other people who have. It seems it can something small such as a picture whoever checks the hub sees as "too graphic" - whatever that means to any individual. And for some reason certain words tend to set off the alarms; however, it seems the words aren't taken in context with the surrounding text so a word such as "cock" when used to mean "rooster" can be flagged as meaning a part of the male anatomy. This seems to be one of the HP mysteries that are difficult to figure out.

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                  Jodahposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Thanks sheilamyers. Well after deleting two pictures that were paintings that are widely distributed but admittedly contained adult themes (eg. A hand on a breast) and changing words so that a dancing girl had a bare midriff instead of bare breasts, it passed evaluation and has been republished. Funny thing is, it is featured, but advertising still not allowed.

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                     wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     As I understand it, when you edited the hub it was re-submitted to the automatic filters.  Not to manual review.
                     
                     Did you add porn to it?  Change the wording so that it was unacceptable?  HP cannot know, so cannot allow their manual review to stand - it has to go through the whole process again.
                     
                     Had you simply asked for another manual review I'm sure it would have been all right.

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                        Jodahposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        All I added was the Amazon and eBay capsules, because the manual review approved the hub for advertising even though the automatic one didn't. I  didn't change anything else. It appears different reviewers have different standards. I have seen a Hub of the Day with more sexual and violent content then mine. How do you request a manual review anyway?

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                           sheilamyersposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           I think you hit it just right. With the manual review different people see things through their own filter. What's acceptable to one person might not be to another.

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      Jodahposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Nadine, I have changed the name of a couple of my hubs but I noticed that the URL for them doesn't change. It still contains the original name. I see DrMark has addressed that.

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