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   Brie Hoffmanposted 9 years ago

   Hub score than I do?

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      LuisEGonzalezposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      As it has been said on plenty of occasions; the profile score/hub score is largely (regardless of what others may say) based on the amount of visits the author's work receives.
      
      Think about this for a second; we are encouraged to participate often on the forums, to write hubs regularly, to edit hubs frequently...all of these actions "encourage" search engines to take a look at the new content (hubs, posts etc...).
      
      HubPages depends on the amount of visitors to the site which in turn carries the potential to turn some of those visits into dollars......
      
      
                                                                 
      

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         Brie Hoffmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         I get about 2000 visits a day..surely someone who hasn't written an article in over 2 years doesn't get even close to that??????
         
         Furthermore, I have over 200 Hubs, this person has 28!
         
         If this score is meaningless then it should be done away with.

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            LuisEGonzalezposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Many feel like you do, including me. Plus a profile score (not the hub score) can be misleading to any new visitor to the site. A visitor may estimate that someone with a high profile score is a better writer than someone with a lower one.
            
            Keep in mind that HP often assigns higher scores to new authors in the hopes of encouraging the production of more material from them.

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               Brie Hoffmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               This person is not a newbie.
               
               Exactly, I think it does affect a persons perceptions which is why I want to know the answer.
               
               ..I wrote to the Hub Pages team to see what they have to say.

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                  LuisEGonzalezposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  After not writing for over 2 years HP may look at this author as a newbie. As far as getting an answer from the team...get used to "please refer to the learning center for more....." routine. This has been addressed countless times and so far as I know, there hasn't been a concrete answer from HP.
                  
                  Just look at your stats; "2000 per day and over 200 hubs" is not easy to reach yet your score remains  at 85 (which is thought to be low by many).....Who knows how this works (I don't) but it definitely seems to be "broken"
                  
                  I guess Old Poolman is right; the IRS tax codes have nothing on the HP method!

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            Faith Reaperposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            It is quite a mystery and no one really (to my knowledge) knows the answer.  If you have that many views a day, then surely that would make a difference!  Sometimes they say that the Hubber score is based on participation in forums, hub-hopping, etc. Then they say it is based on the aggregate value of the scores of your hubs? They have also said that it depends on how Google friendly the title of your hub shows up in searches.  I know I used to have a 97, but I published twice a week usually. As soon as I did not publish in two weeks, it would drop.  I have noticed those who have not published a thing in a year or longer with scores in the high 90s, but maybe their hubs produce millions of views?  Then after the major changes on HP, those of us who were usually in the upper 90s have fallen into the higher 80s or less.  I have not been able to publish this summer, nothing intentional, just a lot going on.  I was at 92 at that point, then dropped to 88, then eventually 87, 85 and now 84.  However, during that time, I have been active in the forums, questions and hub-hopping, so, again, who knows.  If you do crack the code to this mystery, you will be the first, I believe.

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               Brie Hoffmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               I was as high as 100 at one point, and yes I let it drop because I was fed up after a panda slap.  But for the past 2 months I've been publishing like crazy and yet my Hub score has stayed the same..and now I see that someone who hasn't even been on the website for 2 years has a higher score than me.  It kind of pisses me off.

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                  Faith Reaperposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes, I understand completely, as it makes no sense at all!!!  It is frustrating to say the least. Unfortunately, if you publish a controversial topic hub, many will just vote it down out of spite, it seems, even if it is a well-written hub.

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                     Brie Hoffmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     Some of my hubs are controversial but most are not.

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                        Faith Reaperposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        Wish they would just do away with the vote up and down, as many people join HP and never publish one hub and who knows what their intentions are here ...

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                           Brie Hoffmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           Me too..because google is the one that ultimately votes up or votes down an article/hubber because if google doesn't like you, you aren't going to get traffic and if you don't get traffic you wont make any money.  I think they should get rid of the hubber score and the votes.

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                              Faith Reaperposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                              Me too, especially since they are always saying to not worry about the hubber score, so then why have it?  Plus, I do not know how they can monitor perfectly good hubs when people too are voting them down just because they disagree with what you have written and it has nothing to do with quality.

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                                 Brie Hoffmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                 Yep

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                  Sed-meposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  Hello!

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            Marisa Wrightposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            You should know by now, that Hubs get more views the older they get, if they're on evergreen topics.  I bet Relache - who also hasn't written here for a while - is getting more views per day than you are, too.
            
            Writing new articles and being active on HubPages will get you views from the community, but those views are minimal compared to views from Google.
            
            Also, there are two other elements feeding into HubberScore - an average of your Hub scores, and activity.     You know that new Hubs have a lower HubScore at first, so publishing a new Hub will always pull down your Hubber score.  Also, someone who hasn't written anything may still be very active reading and commenting, or on the forums.

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               Brie Hoffmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               This person has been GONE for 2 years. I know him..he hasn't been commenting on anything, he is not in the forums, not answering questions..nothing!
               
               This hub score is a farce!

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                  Jean Bakulaposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  My hubber score was at 100 for almost 6 months when I didn't write a thing. Now I am afraid to write here as I am sick of my work being plagiarized. When you write new content, it begins with a lower score, and pulls down your hubber score a little for a while. I think 85 is a high number for do follow links, even though I do have quite a few hubs with that score or higher.
                  
                  Older content does get more attention, it takes time. Much of what happens here doesn't make sense. If you are writing for the money, there are better sites that pay for freelance writing. I only write for fun now.

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            Sed-meposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Hello!

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            psycheskinnerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            I would take that bet. Freshness is not always the primary factor -- a high score most likely reflects healthy traffic to evergreen material

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      Old Poolmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Brie, I wish I could answer your question but I can't.  The internal workings of hub pages where they make these ratings is a closely guarded secret.  Their methods of calculating seem to have been taken directly from the IRS Tax Codes that nobody understands. 
      
      The best advice I can offer is to just not pay any attention to these numbers, have fun, make friends, and enjoy yourself.  To do anything else will just make you more frustrated.

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      Yousif Mohammedposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I think it is related to the type of achievements on has earned on hubpages. As a gamer anytime you complete something it adds to your score and the score is there forever. So he can probably go away for 10 years and it will still be as high as it is. As for you, you should probably engage more with other people to achieve things you haven't yet. The scoring system probably gets updated with new tasks to be performed, and they are using a different measuring system to analyze a person's score.
      
      I find it pretty shallow and mean to be jealous over other users. If you have a specific problem there are better ways to present it and get your fix.

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   The Examiner-1posted 9 years ago

   It all depends on comparing the Hubs of each of you, the comments made by you both, the community activity of both, etc.

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      Brie Hoffmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I am on Hubpages every day.  My hubs consistently get traffic, all of them are featured, I've been here for I don't at least 5 years and I have over 200 hubs.  There is NO criteria that this person beats me on.

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         Old Poolmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         I got really angry when all of a sudden hubs I had posted two years prior no longer met hub pages approval.  I was supposed to update all of these hubs by changing titles, adding more pictures, adding surveys, and I forget what else.  My hub score had been as high as 100 a few times.
         
         It made me so angry I just deleted every hub I had ever written.
         
         Changes were made at hub pages where everything seems to be driven by google search words and other criteria.  The quality of your writing plays a very minor role in your hub score.
         
         After I got over being angry I realized I am not here for the money.  It would be very difficult to live on 40 cents per month.  So I just hang around now to stay in touch with my hub friends, and to read the work of others.  I find I learn a great many new things by reading other writers hubs.
         
         Now it is just fun to be here when I feel like doing so.
         
         There is absolutely nothing wrong with the way you write, you are just another victim of the system.

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            Brie Hoffmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks, but I do count on the money and this affects it.  I am hoping they will fix it.

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         relacheposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         Harlan's profile says he's "...a true environmentalist, whereas most big-city/ arm-chair environmentalists would find me a heathen within their coffee-klatch-church of warm-fuzzy, unrealistic, Disneyland-view of nature and politics..." and a "... gun-totin', bible-thumpin, Idaho hillbilly redneck..."
         
         Anyone know what the over-under is on this?

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   Brie Hoffmanposted 9 years ago

   Here is the person:  http://harlancolt.hubpages.com/#activity
   
   Compare his activity, hubs, participation..whatever to mine!

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      LuisEGonzalezposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      For whatever reason, there are no hubs on the profile.

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         Faith Reaperposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         That is interesting.  He won a hubnugget.  He has an interesting profile.  He must have unpublished his hubs, but wonder why it does not say when his last activity was as it does on everyone else's profile page?  Just says no recent activity ... that is strange.

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            Barbara Kayposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            At the top of the page it still says he has 28 hubs. I've never seen that before where no hub titles are showing.

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         Brie Hoffmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         That's very interesting because they were there before I wrote to HubPages..now they are gone.

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            Old Poolmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            I know that writer and as far as I can tell he has also disappeared.

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            Barbara Kayposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            If you type the user name in the search box here at Hubpages, his hubs are still here.

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               Brie Hoffmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               Yes, I see..weird..

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         Jayne Lancerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         That link takes you to his 'activity' and not his content. http://harlancolt.hubpages.com/#mycontent

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            Brie Hoffmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            You can search his name and see his articles if you want.

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               Jayne Lancerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               The link I've given leads directly to his profile where his hubs are all listed. Or just follow the other link and click 'My Content' when you get there. It works in the same way it does on your own profile.

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            Faith Reaperposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, I see them all now.

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   Disappearingheadposted 9 years ago

   I haven't published a hub in at least three years. Why? Because I can't be arsed. I've unpublished several because they no longer reflect my thinking. I've never taken a blind bit of notice about traffic hub scores or any other of the metrics here. I never made a penny from my work and never expected to. I have a real job and unless hubbing can pay at least £30 an hour there's no point in putting in the effort. In fact I'd be surprised if anyone made more than a few pennies an hour.
   
   Why am I here? I find many hubs very interesting, I enjoy the cut and thrust of the forums, and have made numerous on line acquaintances.
   
   At the end of the day hub scores mean nothing and have no impact on the enjoyment of a glass of wine. Oddly enough mine is higher than yours Brie lol.

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      Brie Hoffmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      That's fine but I do make money and it affects me, so if they can't be accurate with the scores they should be done away with.

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         Old Poolmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         It makes it very difficult to play the game when the rule book keeps changing without our knowledge.

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         Old Poolmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         Brie if you use this as a source of income, send me your email address I can direct you to a site that pays very well.  I use that site for "fun" money and just have fun on hub pages.

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            Brie Hoffmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Done

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   Marisa Wrightposted 9 years ago

   If people don't like Hubber Score (and you're not alone) then perhaps you could try adding your voice to this old thread, so HubPages knows we are still not happy:
   
   http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/107466

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      Brie Hoffmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      This is what it says when you try to post on that thread:
      
      This Forum Thread is Inactive
      No one has posted in this forum thread for over two months. Please DO NOT reply to this thread UNLESS you have truly new information to add to this conversation. Consider creating a new forum thread instead.

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         Marisa Wrightposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         Up to you - but I recommend you ignore that message and add your comment anyway.
         
         Of course HubPages would prefer you to start a new thread, because then the old thread with all its complaints from other Hubbers is lost in the mists of history.

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            Brie Hoffmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            I wrote to them directly.

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               Marisa Wrightposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               If you look at the thread and see the responses there, why would you expect your lone voice to have any effect?  I doubt your email will get to anyone other than a lowly customer service person.

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   WryLiltposted 9 years ago

   The older quality low competition content gets, the more traffic it (generally) gets. I have less than 70 hubs and I average a new one every few months. However my old hubs still get hundreds of views, sometimes thousands.

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      Brie Hoffmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I know that..I have hubs that are 5 years old too..more than this person who has a higher score than I do!

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   Sed-meposted 9 years ago

   My score has gone up 4 points. I am not going to exhale.

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