All HP staff are between a rock and a hard place right now it seems, and trying to climb out of a disastrous event and save the site.
Everyone loses when offenses start operating and putting out little ground fires takes precious time away from the advancing crown fire. We need plenty of fire retardant and working together.
Devastating events are devastating and each person has their own view and the closer to home it comes, the more easily offended. Its hard to move on from how awful it is on a personal basis to see the possibility of a common good.
Even the best author or editor may make errors or be perceived to.
It seems like life and death online and HP is going for life.
HP may make some errors along the way and some more folks may leave.
All is not yet lost and hopefully those who disagree with decisions made will be able to recoup their perceived losses without personal attacks. Its hard though not to take things personally.
Great commentary, colorfulone. I've been feeling this ugly fire for the last couple days with all that's going on (HubPro, ECs, etc) and it's not good for the writer atmosphere. I hope it burns out soon without too many more casualties. But it wrong stuff happens, it needs to be exposed and addressed. Whew! Rough times for our little community, huh? Peace.
I'm in the dark about the problems you mentioned, colorfulone, but I hope they get resolved without too much difficulty.
The personal attacks made on a Hub Staff member yesterday sickened me. HubPages is a good site. The Staff here have always acted in good faith.
I agree. I think it's fine to offer constructive criticism and that this criticism was very necessary in the case in question. I don't think that the HP staff member should have been attacked, though.
Paradigmsearch - I agree with you that having names named was an unfortunate thing, and I also agree that HP has always acted in good faith (from what I know). The thread probably needed to happen, though, because the manner in which at least that one hub was edited should be examined. Is that really the way the site intended for the HubPro program to operate? Are there other extremely modified hubs on the site now?
I did wonder, when all of that was going on, whether this discussion was basically the result of one incident and the misunderstanding of one editor in terms of what was required. I cannot speak to what is happening with HubPro because I do no participate in it, but if this whole thing is the result of what I just said, I think we need to tone things down a bit. Clearly, more training is needed in some areas, but this is no reason to rip an entire program, that was set up to help people, to shreds.
Thank you, colorfulone for this thread and your message. It is very difficult for a lot of folks right now as well as the staff. Yet, if we all pull together I strongly feel we can put out these fires and go forward with renewed confidence and motivation to make HubPages a superior writing site.
Even if I disagree on some points, it is encouraging to see Paul Edmonds so involved in threads and communicating with those who have so many concerns. He strongly supports HubPro, yet is open to concerns and suggestions. I truly admire him for that.
And I admire hubbers who are able to express those concerns directly to Paul in mature and positive ways.
Am glad you posted this. It is always helpful to think of how we can all get out of whatever fire there is rather than escalating it. I think it is part of a healthy community discussion to have some airing out.
Face it, wrong is wrong is wrong. What was done to that hub, we all know about, was wrong, beyond wrong. The HP procedures were apparently never followed. The total rewrite of that hub, has been completed and has continued to be locked for weeks.
If people can be hired as editors without the credentials, then I suggest those who want to do the flag waving, start sending a me next, me next,, I can't wait to have unqualified people destroy my work.
We had flag wavers, happy dancers, at Squidoo too, but they got tossed along with everyone else.
I haven't read thoroughly the threads/hubs referred to, just browsed enough of both to see what was discussed. I think valid points can be made without dragging people through the trenches.
I hope that the future edits will be done according to the stated policy.
While I understand not spending valuable time on editing hubs that don't receive a lot of traffic, I hope that very careful consideration and current SEO knowledge is implemented while editing a high traffic hub. Only after the author consents and agrees with the final edit should it be published.
I think it is a pretty small issue on the scale of all of Hubpages and all the people who write here.
I guess that I missed all the excitement. I think we are all just trying to get by and it is indeed a trying time on the Internet at the moment. Things always settle down after a bit so I don't worry too much. Best just to keep plodding along doing whatever it is that you feel is best. If you panic and get too crazy it really does not help any situation out.
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