How do you feel about the death penalty for repeat offenders.

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   mandybeauposted 15 years ago

   Big fan of the Guillotine for these Guys, Happy to operate it, I personally don;t see why we need to keep this pondscum alive, costing our Governments a fortune in food med. exps, dentistry.
   New zealand has quite a few that need putting out of their respective misery. I am certain that the civil liberterians will come out and say, No you can't kill them, that would be to cruel, To these people I say don't even tell me that. If you cannot come up with a valid reason for keeping them, such as testing perfumes, and drugs, in a laboratory, I shant be listening.

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      accofrancoposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I am behind you mandy. I have a hub on this topic, please go through it. Nice topic.

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   LennyPposted 15 years ago

   I am all for the death penalty as it would free up the money we are wasting on prisons. First of all all inmates "guilty" of a victimless crime should be released. Perpetrators of crimes with victims should be swiftly executed. Anyone who feels ok victimizing another human being has no right to walk the earth. The simple solution to the ever growing cost of our prison systems.

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      mandybeauposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      My feelings exactly, I wrote this Hub after a raft of violent crime in this Country N.Z. ( I advocate getting rid of those that have definitely beyond reasonable doubt done the crime.
      For instance there was a Murder in this Country, where a man was jailed, and the two bodies a male and female have never been found, he claims, he was innocent, obviously there is room for doubt, in this circumstance, so this type of offender I would not advocate hanging chopping shooting etc.
      I thought that I would add this before some bleeding heart Liberal said Oh but its someones son, My son and I'd do the job myself.

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      Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Executions cost the taxpayers more than life sentences because of legal appeals and court delays. Moreover, there is clear evidence that despite this a significant number of innocent people have been executed.

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         pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Plus, study after study has shown it is not an effective deterrent.

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            mandybeauposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Study after study is irrelevant, Study after Study also shows that repeat offenders re offend, hence the name repeat offenders.

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            mandybeauposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Study after study is irrelevant, Study after Study also shows that repeat offenders re offend, hence the name repeat offenders.

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         mandybeauposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         There are plenty of ways of solving this make an adjudicator panel decide on appeal,In the same way as a jury.  as opposed to using our over burdened law system, besides usually appeal after appeal is only granted for those where some doubt may still exist, so if you read my original comments, these are not the people I intend having topped. They have already stood trial, and faced either a judge or jury. Are you saying all these people are half wits.?

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   Sufidreamerposted 15 years ago

   The problem is that you are assuming that anybody who disagrees is a 'bleeding heart liberal.'
   
   For me, the problem is that courts are not perfect, and it is only a matter of time before a mistake is made and an innocent person is killed. That is why I am against the death penalty.
   
   In the UK, we had the notorious 'Let him have it' Derek Bentley case - that was the final blow to advocates of the death penalty. Timothy Evans was also wrongly executed, and was posthumously pardoned - that is of little consolation.

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      Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Very much agree.  Looks like it is the case elsewhere, as it is in in the US. 
      
      The courts are FAR from perfect; the system is byzantine, draconian (lets see how many cool big 'ol words I can come up to describe the inefficiency) and innocent people are tried and found guilty every day in Amerika.
      
      There are politics at every level in our government and the argument against it is as practical as it is human rights oriented.  Continuing the death penalty costs more, for one.  As to the unjustly accused and found guilty--The Life of David Gale with Kevin Spacey is an excellent movie to see.  Reading my book, lol, (shameless self promo ?) on the Scottsboro Boys trial in America will also point out the politics and inefficiencies of the courts and unjust prosecution in an accessible, grades 8-12 historical context kind of way.

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         pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I saw a bit on the news last week on TV about the incarceration rate in the U.S., and was sickened to discover only 7% of the people locked up here today are violent offenders.
         
         So even if you execute that entire 7%, you haven't saved a lot of money and you've just killed a bunch of people who may or may not be guilty.
         
         If people are so worried about the cost of prison, how about better education, better childhood nutrition, how about making it possible for families to live indoors, how about decent community mental health care, how about decriminalizing drub use? Any or all of those would be cheaper and less evil that just executing people we don't know what to do with.

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            mandybeauposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            It still costs millions over a live sentence to keep one of these alive.

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            mandybeauposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            It still costs millions over a live sentence to keep one of these alive.

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   Mark Knowlesposted 15 years ago

   I don't trust my government to do a damn thing that has my interests at heart. Why on earth should I give them the power to kill me legally?

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      pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you. You always go right to the heart of it.
      
      My sentiments exactly.

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      Eldritch Elegyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Ha!
      
      Much love for such simple common sense.

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   Rudraposted 15 years ago

   bring it on.

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   Miss Pinkposted 15 years ago

   I feel good about it!

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   Rochelle Frankposted 15 years ago

   For repeat offenders of what law? Shoplifting? Jaywalking?

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      pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Rochelle, that's next I'm thinkin'--damned jaywalkers. They're a menace to the rest of us decent God-fearin' types.

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   Leta Sposted 15 years ago

   Yes, Pam...  And a look at the Texas court system is an eye-full.  Pathetic as far as the death penalty.  Arizona is another one--and absolutely most of those jailed offenders are not 'violent.'  They're in for the state money making crimes of possession or selling of pot or a variety of other things that I never knew made sense at all until I moved here.  As in, vandalism (a kid setting up a skate board ramp at a high school) is a felony...large fines, possible jailing.  (Have I related this before?)  In Iowa, that would have been a misdemeanor or something with community service.
   
   I'm relating life to a lot of movies these days--but the Cohen's had AZ down with Raising Arizona.  I sometimes feel I moved into a satire.

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   Juliet Christieposted 15 years ago

   There are so many conflicting thoughts about the death penalty; some for, some against. Those for says one could be wrongfully  convicted though inocent.Those saying yes are sometimes individuals who have come close to experiencing or have experienced the loss of a family member or friend and really do know the pain.
   
   I do believe  for crimes such  when one  plans as it is called premeditated murder, killing inocent children, murder  even a cripple, blind old lady who he comes to rob, who cannot move from off her bed to stop him, who cannot identify him in court then yes to the death penalty.
   
   On the other hand if in the heat of an argumentand in the height of anger that brings on a struggle one gets kill or if one was protectiong ones self and another accidentticlly got kill then that shuold warrant  a jail sentence.
   
   
   So the problem here lies in the judicial system and the crime investigators.Can we trust them to do their jobs efficiently and impartial.Can we trust witness to tell the truth?
   
   I would say the law for  death penalty should remain. There are  some individuals who should be removed from society because they are unsafe to be around.
   
   If anyone here believes the Bible it says that for murder one should be killed. But for accident killing a safe house should be provided in every city for such individuals. If the Almighty is for the death penalty who am I to want to do away with it.

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    lxxyposted 15 years ago

    The death penalty, unfortunately, is something your species should use for now...the inmates in the American jail system, for instance, have no repercussions to their actions.
    
    Or enough of them.
    
    And you're absolutely right, you're wasting money. Those who want to change will, but those who will not only harm society for the worse.
    
    When people begin to realize they may be ending their life by performing a horrible action they will be less apt to do it.

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       mandybeauposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       The voi9ce of reason, I would hardly advocate killing of jay walkers, some pretty lame responses to this post. Thnx for your reply.

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    Dame Scribeposted 15 years ago

    Serial killers, mass murderers ...yeah...they should have the death penalty especially when they show no remorse

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    Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago

    Actually, I think prison with no hope of parole is a worse punishment than the death penalty. Believe it or not, keeping them in prison is cheaper than putting them to death what with all the appeals they have to be allowed.

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       Everyday Miraclesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Although I am pro-corporal punishment, I could not agree with this statement more! In most cases it would be more difficult for the prisoner to live out their life in prison "dealing" with the crime that they committed (provided they aren't sociopaths), than if they were put to death.
       
       I think we need to re-evaluate our system. I agree with C. Ferreira that we should legalize drugs. It's my body and I should be able to do with it whatever the heck I damned well please. If I want to kill myself by putting some horrible substance in my body, so be it, provided that my use of drugs isn't infringing on someone else's rights. Absolutely.
       
       However, I tend to see where there might be a problem in cases of rape and child molestation -- the penalties for these crimes are often insufficient to fit the crime. There have even been cases where pedophiles are released without serving time at all! I don't think chemical castration is too harsh a penalty in these cases.
       
       I agree, however, with those who feel that we too harshly punish those who have committed a "victimless crime" or a crime against themselves. What I do with my body should be my choice.*
       
       * I do, by the way, feel that there is a right and a wrong choice in almost every case. I don't feel that the use of drugs is "right" because of the damage that it does to the human body. But if I want to kill myself, who are you to tell me "no?"

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          mandybeauposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Here suicide is sort of classified as murder, ie you are murdering yourself, I can't figure that one, because if you succeed then they can hardly punish you. B ut they never punish attempteds either just an old act I think.

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       mandybeauposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Worse punishment for who?, them or their largely taxpaying victims) They would rather not have the Death Penalty, that is why so many fight it appeal, after appeal. No let them have it.

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          Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          And all those appeals cost the tax payers more money than it does to keep them in jail for 30 years or more.

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             mandybeauposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Once agn, usually they only get one appeal, and that is hardly going to cost the millions, it will cost to keep them alive.

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    C.Ferreiraposted 15 years ago

    You want to save money via the judicial system?
    
    LEGALIZE DRUGS. Like Pgrundy said, only 7% of inmates are there for violent crimes. The majority of the rest are there for drug use/abuse/and distribution.
    
    Chop out the expenses that we are throwing at a failing drug war, and invest it into rehabilitation for these non-violent offenders. Not all will stay off drugs, but that is a personal choice. The government should never tell us what we can and cannot put into our own bodies. If we want to kill ourselves with drug abuse then we should be able to do it.
    
    Government regulation, of at least marijuana, would bring in millions if not billions of dollars each year for the government. Suck on that one national debt!

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       pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Amen to that. The 'war on drugs' is a joke. We declare war on everything, I swear, it's idiotic. And then we lose the wars. And then we cop a big attitude anyway.
       
       I'm sick of the chest thumpers, I really am. People who are big and bad from the comfort and safety of their living room sofas.

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          C.Ferreiraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Yeah, people in favor of the drug war have no real substantive arguments. They consistently argue that the government is winning the drug war despite all the evidence and facts pointing toward the loss of billions of dollars, and the giant increase of drugs on the streets.
          
          Instead of raising our taxes, they should tax a pack of joints like they do cigarettes. The economy will be booming!

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          mandybeauposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          I like to think I am big and bad from wherever if the need arrives, I think most people are just weako's

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    Gordon Hamiltonposted 15 years ago

    The death penalty will always be a contentious issue - of course it will. Here in the UK, it used to be the case of the judge donning the black cap and announcing that, "You are sentenced to be taken from this courtroom to a place of execution, where you will be hanged by the neck until you are dead."
    
    Yes, I'm sorry, but I agree with it. All those sick perverts who killed children, destroyed peoples' lives in ways that the vast majority of us can't imagine - I would have no qualms whatsoever about personally putting the noose around their neck and subsequently kicking the chair away.
    
    Bleeding heart liberals do indeed have a lot to answer for - I hope they can live with their consciences!

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       mandybeauposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Gordo

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    Kelsey Tallisposted 15 years ago

    I do not have a problem with the death penalty for repeat violent offenders (like a three-strikes rule), specifically in cases of serial murder, aggravated assault/torture, rape, and child molestation (these crimes, once repeatedly committed, typically have a high rate of recidivism). Although the evidence should be damn clear and convincing to more than just a few...
    
    I simply do not care if they were also abused as children--many, MANY people have experienced the same situation and have not gone on to commit such heinous crimes themselves.
    
    I want to see tax dollars going to poor school districts to improve the public education system and help identify and treat these tendencies in a humane manner at a younger age rather than go to support established criminals who are incarcerated.
    
    I agree with the "victimless" crime argument made here as well... make those people pay substantial fines and do public service rather than just eat up tax money that could be better utilized elsewhere.

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       mandybeauposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       A Murderer in a New Zealand Jail costs between $50,000.00-$76,000 to keep every year, because of the Parole terms they are not able to work to make up the money as other prisoners (more Low risk) can, and therefore are not only a waste of revenue, but a waste of staff, a waste of building bigger jails.
       Keep the numbers down 3 strikes would be good. But for particularly viiolent crimes kill them off.

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    logic,commonsenseposted 15 years ago

    Any person that abuses sexually abuse childern then kills then has no value to society and the best way to make sure they do not do it again is the death penalty.  For those who disagree, just think about how you would feel if it was your child.

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       mandybeauposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Always wonder how those victims families never deal with the scum............. I would have no conscience killing a nutter like that, Could eat a 4 course meal afterwards.

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    SweetiePieposted 15 years ago

    Often fellow prisons will kill those truly criminal perverts that get off without the death penalty.  Remember Jeffrey Dahmer anyone?  I think their karma catches up with them, even if they get off with a lighter sentence than they deserve.

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       mandybeauposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Yeah that happens we had this real low life guy, gave the press the fingers, stuck his tongue out.
       Found month or two later with his tongue permanently stuck out. I think there are some people that even the lowest of the low won't tolerate. Someone got him.....

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    thinking out loudposted 15 years ago

    I highly encourage it.  And going one step further, i believe the punishment and pain meted out should be in all cases equal to the pain endured by the victim.  As to the drug issue... the 'war on drugs" has been a total failure.  There are now more drugs on the street than there ever was.  a huge waste of time and effort, not to mention the money spent.  the interdiction rate is dismal, and as long as people here continue to want to use, it's not going to get any better.  Take the criminal stigma out of it and see what changes.  it's definitely worth a try.

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       mandybeauposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       We had a guy out here few years back, and when they were going to release the B....... that killed and worse his step daughter, He went on air saying that, if the piece of S... was let out he and friends were going to Kill him... He was descriptive in what he said he was going to do in terms of torture, to match what the girl had gone through, as this animal hunted her down. Our Police arrested him for threatening to kill, and this gets better, he had to stand trial, for it. Bloody ridiculous.
       I personally would not have talked about it just waited watched, and made my move once I knew where he was living. I suppose he didn't want to have to do it, so he just made sure the guy was locked away longer.
       I'm sick of the innocent people story, every piece of crap in the slammer is supposedly innocent, so that means our Cops never get the right guy. Well yeah right.

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    sassychicposted 15 years ago

    You know if they repeatly do do things yeah death penalty, this doesnt mean I completely believe in it tho.

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    Murilionposted 15 years ago

    dont do death penalty to civilians do it for curroptor who steal the taxpayer

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       mandybeauposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       How so??????

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    Pete Maidaposted 15 years ago

    I'm afraid I have to say I would be for it.  I hate the idea of the state taking life but I have seen too many horribly brutal people.  These characters that kill without mercy are just too dangerous to exist in our society.

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    Paper Moonposted 15 years ago

    Whoooa.  This would all depend on repeat of what offense.  Repeat pot heads?  No!  Child molesters, kill em the first time.  Let the parents have at em or the neighbors, or just the angry tax payer!

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       mandybeauposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       No I have clarified that when some clown suggested Jaywalkers, you need to draw a picture sometimes.
       Serious Murder rapists etc., Serial, where no doubt exists.

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    Colebabieposted 15 years ago

    Ghandi said "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"
    
    But I don't think that pertains to repeat offenders of heinous crimes. My uncle was an officer and he was killed. The guy who killed him, shot himself. But he didn't die. During his trial he couldn't be given the death penalty because his self inflicted injury caused him to be mentally disabled. I personally think he should die. But at least he'll be in jail the rest of his life.

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       mandybeauposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       and while he is there I presume they are feeding him... The Army is different, I don't think we can take guys who are given orders to shot, as being as guilty, as those that decide for themselves.
       I think the Politicians, need to face those consequences, just as the German  war criminals, ( albeit being of German descent, makes me feel that both sides did wrong) were made to face trial in Nuremberg.

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          Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          He was a police officer, sorry, didn't know if that was clear.

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    Lisa HWposted 15 years ago

    On the one hand, I wouldn't need it to be a repeat offense to say the death penalty ought to go for people who commit vicious murders (particularly against absolutely and clearly innocent victims).  In fact, I'd go so far as to say I think they ought to be tied up, thrown in a room, and left to the hands, knives, and baseball bats of surviving family members.  (I know its barbaric of me, and I know it isn't going to happen - but I can't help but think that would be the only thing that might make family members feel they've gotten a shred of justice.)
    
    Having said that, there are far too many innocent people left to rot in prisons; and too much room for killing an innocent person.  Witnesses, authorities, and lawyers too often refuse to acknowledge their own mistakes; and if those mistakes are big enough their "pals" (co-workers) don't want them to lose their licenses/jobs/reputation/etc.  As a result, I have very little faith in a lot that goes in with the legal system; and don't think the government can be sufficiently trusted to get it right all the time.  In other words, I'm not for the death penalty (at least not until it rids itself of pea-brains and sleeze-balls, and I don't see that happening in the near future).

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