After much suffering with the new forums format, and observing and analyzing, I came to the conclusion that it is possible to have my cake and eat it, too - if HP developers will cooperate.
The problem: Replies made in threaded view look absolutely unconnected in chronological view, up to the point of the thread being unreadable.
Proposed solution: Change the coding, so when user replies to a particular post in threaded view, this reply is shown with the quote of the post they replied to, in chronological view. In other words, make a reply button in threaded view to work exactly like quote button when translated into chronological view - unless user replies to the original post, then no quote is needed.
This does not make any visible changes to the threaded view, and likely will make chronological view much more readable.
Hope my explanation makes sense
I agree that the new format makes it far harder to connect the replies in the threaded view, (to be honest I far preferred the old format). I think your idea for a change of format that shows the actual quote would be a winner Misha.
In the chronological view we're planning to add an "in reply to" link that will take you directly to the post that is being replied to, as well as a way to see the text of the replied to post quickly as a tool tip (without actually going to the post). I think that should help solve the problem you're having Misha.
As someone that reads a lot more than I post, I find the threaded view to be much easier to use. I can see how the chronological view might be preferable for people that are actively participating in a fast moving conversation, however.
I think we should only have one view and that view should be the threaded view. People are just slow at accepting change. Then if two hubbers want to go off on a tangent, they don't bother the rest of the thread. That's what I think.
Some of us (a lot of us, judging by the other comments) find the threaded view difficult to use. That doesn't necessarily mean we're "slow at accepting change".
It would take only a minor tweak by HP admin to ensure that posts made while in threaded view become reader-friendly to those of us who prefer the chronological view, thus ensuring that both preferences are accommodated.
Im in agreement
I was planning on waiting for hub business hours to try and bring it back up
I am with you on this, as soon as 3 or 4 people chime in and are using different views the conversation is lost
Since everybody should be in the office by now, giving it a bump
Misha, I am confused by the terminology. Is "Threaded View" the same as "HubFeed" and is chronological view the same as the old "Hubtivity"?
Sunforged, thanks! I never noticed before. I assume I have always used the Chronological choice.
It always was chronological without choice. The choice appeared with the last site update and drives me crazy.
I can't use the new choice, too hard to follow.
i agree. nothing personal, Hubteam, but i don't really see any value added on, and it is confusing to boot.
The value is that we're not lumbered with long, unnecessary quotes. It's quicker, clearer and easy to follow as long as you don't switch back and forth between the two views. I wish we could just have the new threaded view. It works fine for me. And get rid of the chrono-view.
I am in agreement with this suggestion as well. I remember Paul Deeds mentioned with the last update that this should reduce unnecessary quoting.
A newspaper site that I visit and comment on, though, simply adds
reply to postername: when you hit the reply button. The text is a link back to the post that was replied to. This should be extremely simple to code into the site without messing anything up, and doesn't add any extra quoting.
I'm sticking to chronological thank you! So much easier than threaded...I get confused with the threaded.
Same here, threaded view shows more in single screen but as for replies and quoting, it's quite confusing!
Yep, I can't follow the threaded version either.
Is there a manual someone forgot to give us on the threaded version?
I agree! the only way I can follow any conversation is through the chronological order....the other one is just impossible to make any sense of!
I really don't see the problem with the threaded view as long as you don't use the chronological view to confuse you. We should have only one view, the threaded view. Once you get used to it it's really easy.
I'm sticking with chronological too. I agree that threaded would cut back on quoting, but some people will always quote the whole OP before they write their response.
Thanks for the update Paul, we knew you were listening.
Thanks for you reply Paul.
Looks like either I don't understand what you are saying though, or you did not understand what I was asking for. Just to make sure it is me who is misunderstanding, please follow the link to take a look at three consecutive posts that put our friend Glen into utter confusion, as well as myself.
Please don't forget to switch into chronological view though
lol I just went to read it and was like... huh? definitely looked like she was talking to herself.
I just came back from
There is nothing unclear to me as long as I stay in threaded vieeeewwwweeee!
Having two different views is like sending someone to one destination via circumventional multiple routes. We could regard this as an interim period, to give hubbers time to get used to the new, improved threaded view. But they don't work alongside eachother. We don't need 2 views.
The issue is much like Paul said, for "readers" thread view is easy to go through and just read. For posters who are active in many forums and get into some rather fast moving conversations chrono view is much easier. Maybe we need a hub chat room... let's go back to the 90's when everyone just went to room of their choosing and ranted and raved about whatever they wanted
Well excuse me Sue jeez don't ahve to get your panties in a bunch just because I like to quote ppl
If you go to threaded view you can find my reply immediately under your post without me needing to quote you at all. Really, it works, just pleeeeze, stay in threaded view for ten minutes and you'll see how easy it is. Sorry, didn't mean to sound like I was getting my panties in a bunch.
wait ladies, let me fill the pool with jello before you get to wrestling around..
How bout pudding??? mmmmm
Chocolate it is the winner gets to have BBQ with me afterwards.
The problem with threaded view is that it makes it too hard to converse with multiple posts from different authors. If I want to reply to 2 people in threaded view I have to make 2 posts in order to have it make sense. In chrono view I can quote them both and respond and everyone knows what I am saying.
You can mention people's names Has_aWayWithWords, when you want to reply to 2 people in threaded view can't she Crazdwriter? I'm not letting go that easy.
Tried the threaded when it was first introduced. Yea I am not in HS where I had to write everything out in outline format. and that is how it feels in threaded
Nope - not a fan of the threaded view, either - it is fragmented and all over the place. Sometimes, if it ain't broke...
Besides which, the writing in threaded view is miniscule - I have to using the ctrl + and - keys!
Hey Sufi...need me to push you into 100? lol
hehe - Push away!
Visit all of my Hubs at least five times and leave at least ten comments on each. That should do it
Thanks in advance
lol Sufi you really want me to leave 10 comments? I don't know id I could do that lol sorry but I could try to visit all of them at least 5 times, rate up and leave one comment though 82 is a lot to go through phew I got my work cut out for me....
Hello, I switched and joined you all in chronological view. It's bigger but I still prefer the threaded view. Anyway, I'll stop blowing my horn for innovation. I tried.
lol, I doubt it would take that much for him to hit 100 I have already checked out a few of his..lol I am still trying to get any of my hubs to break 90 and I am creepin towards 100 followers
Haven't been on HP in a while, so I was unpleasantly surprised to find the new forum structure. And, frankly I'm hatin' it. It's confusing, disjointed, and NOT user friendly. Only bonus is it dissuades me from spending too much time on the forums...
yw Get busy girl, a lot of new people to get familiar with since your last visit LOL
<---- one of those new people
I don't think I am very familiar with wordscribe.
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by Glenn Stok 5 years ago
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by sunforged 13 years ago
With some users using the threaded view and others using chrono some threads are becoming intelligible Ex)http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/34590#post769233You'll see in chrono view that one hubber responds in a conversational manner 3 posts in a row-in that view it makes no sense ..(As Misha points...
by Brittany Kennedy 11 years ago
I saw a couple hubbers saying to others that they had only X amount of posts in the forums. Is there a quick way for me to see how many I have posted or do I just have to add them up? Are only forum moderators allowed to see this? Thanks for your answers.
by Paul Deeds 13 years ago
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by Glen 13 years ago
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