Forums improvement suggestion

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   Mishaposted 13 years ago

   After much suffering with the new forums format, and observing and analyzing, I came to the conclusion that it is possible to have my cake and eat it, too - if HP developers will cooperate.
   
   The problem: Replies made in threaded view look absolutely unconnected in chronological view, up to the point of the thread being unreadable.
   
   Proposed solution: Change the coding, so when user replies to a particular post in threaded view, this reply is shown with the quote of the post they replied to, in chronological view. In other words, make a reply button in threaded view to work exactly like quote button when translated into chronological view - unless user replies to the original post, then no quote is needed.
   
   This does not make any visible changes to the threaded view, and likely will make chronological view much more readable.
   
   Hope my explanation makes sense

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      mistyhorizon2003posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I agree that the new format makes it far harder to connect the replies in the threaded view, (to be honest I far preferred the old format). I think your idea for a change of format that shows the actual quote would be a winner Misha.

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      pauldeedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      In the chronological view we're planning to add an "in reply to" link that will take you directly to the post that is being replied to, as well as a way to see the text of the replied to post quickly as a tool tip (without actually going to the post).  I think that should help solve the problem you're having Misha.
      
      As someone that reads a lot more than I post, I find the threaded view to be much easier to use.  I can see how the chronological view might be preferable for people that are actively participating in a fast moving conversation, however.

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         Sue Adamsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I think we should only have one view and that view should be the threaded view. People are just slow at accepting change. Then if two hubbers want to go off on a tangent, they don't bother the rest of the thread. That's what I think. 

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            EmpressFelicityposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Some of us (a lot of us, judging by the other comments) find the threaded view difficult to use.  That doesn't necessarily mean we're "slow at accepting change".   
            
            It would take only a minor tweak by HP admin to ensure that posts made while in threaded view become reader-friendly to those of us who prefer the chronological view, thus ensuring that both preferences are accommodated.

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               Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Sorry Sue but I agree with Empress
               doesn't have a thing to do with being "slow at accepting change"  it could be that the change ISN"T a good change especially if so many people are having so many issues dealing with the new thread

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   sunforgedposted 13 years ago

   Im in agreement
   
   http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/34614
   
   I was planning on waiting for hub business hours to try and bring it back up

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   Has_aWayWithWordsposted 13 years ago

   I am with you on this, as soon as 3 or 4 people chime in and are using different views the conversation is lost

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   Mishaposted 13 years ago

   Since everybody should be in the office by now, giving it a bump

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   Aya Katzposted 13 years ago

   Misha, I am confused by the terminology. Is "Threaded View" the same as "HubFeed" and is chronological view the same as the old "Hubtivity"?

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      sunforgedposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      aya,
      
      look at the top right of your screen when you are in the forums.
      
      chron lists post in order of when they are placed
      
      threaded is new (and the default) it attempts to associate responses between posts

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   Aya Katzposted 13 years ago

   Sunforged, thanks! I never noticed before. I assume I have always used the Chronological choice.

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   Mishaposted 13 years ago

   It always was chronological without choice. The choice appeared with the last site update and drives me crazy.

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      Sue Adamsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Oh, don't go crazy Misha, just ask hub staff to stick with one view, the threaded one. It's having two that confuses people.

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   rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago

   I can't use the new choice, too hard to follow.

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      darksideposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Same here.

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         EmpressFelicityposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         And here.

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         Whitney05posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Ditto. I just use the chronological order, unless i can't figure out who someone is replying to. Then I have to go to the threaded to figure out where the reply was.

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      cosetteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      i agree. nothing personal, Hubteam, but i don't really see any value added on, and it is confusing to boot.

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         Sue Adamsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         The value is that we're not lumbered with long, unnecessary quotes. It's quicker, clearer and easy to follow as long as you don't switch back and forth between the two views. I wish we could just have the new threaded view. It works fine for me. And get rid of the chrono-view.

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            EmpressFelicityposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Yeah, but you can always snip quotes.
            
            
            
            
            I personally don't find it any of these things.
            
            
            
            
            "As long as I'm alright, I don't care about the rest of you."

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   Jeffrey Nealposted 13 years ago

   I am in agreement with this suggestion as well.  I remember Paul Deeds mentioned with the last update that this should reduce unnecessary quoting. 
   
   A newspaper site that I visit and comment on, though, simply adds
   reply to postername: when you hit the reply button.  The text is a link back to the post that was replied to. This should be extremely simple to code into the site without messing anything up, and doesn't add any extra quoting.

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    Crazdwriterposted 13 years ago

    I'm sticking to chronological thank you! So much easier than threaded...I get confused with the threaded.

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       weblogposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Same here, threaded view shows more in single screen but as for replies and quoting, it's quite confusing!

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          Sue Adamsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          That's the whole point of the new threaded view, there is no need to quote, you reply directly to the comment you want to reply to. Why can't people at least give it a try. 

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    Marisa Wrightposted 13 years ago

    Yep, I can't follow the threaded version either.

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       Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Is there a manual someone forgot to give us on the threaded version?

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          myownworldposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I agree! the only way I can follow any conversation is through the chronological order....the other one is just impossible to make any sense of!

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       Sue Adamsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I really don't see the problem with the threaded view as long as you don't use the chronological view to confuse you.  We should have only one view, the threaded view. Once you get used to it it's really easy.

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    Jane@CMposted 13 years ago

    I'm sticking with chronological too.  I agree that threaded would cut back on quoting, but some people will always quote the whole OP before they write their response.

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       Sue Adamsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       If you really want to quote you can, just copy/paste the quote. But it ain't necessary unless you are replying to a specific part of someone's post.

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    Has_aWayWithWordsposted 13 years ago

    Thanks for the update Paul, we knew you were listening.

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    Mishaposted 13 years ago

    Thanks for you reply Paul.
    
    Looks like either I don't understand what you are saying though, or you did not understand what I was asking for. Just to make sure it is me who is misunderstanding, please follow the link to take a look at three consecutive posts that put our friend Glen into utter confusion, as well as myself.
    
    http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/34590#post769222
    
    Please don't forget to switch into chronological view though

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       Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       lol I just went to read it and was like... huh? definitely looked like she was talking to herself.

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       Sue Adamsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I just came back from
       
       http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/34590#post769222
       
       There is nothing unclear to me as long as I stay in threaded vieeeewwwweeee!
       
       Having two different views is like sending someone to one destination via circumventional multiple routes. We could regard this as an interim period, to give hubbers time to get used to the new, improved threaded view. But they don't work alongside eachother. We don't need 2 views.

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          Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          not everyone likes the threaded vieeeewwwww! to me looks stupid in that view. Looks like an outline for school or something like that

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    Has_aWayWithWordsposted 13 years ago

    The issue is much like Paul said, for "readers" thread view is easy to go through and just read. For posters who are active in many forums and get into some rather fast moving conversations chrono view is much easier. Maybe we need a hub chat room... let's go back to the 90's when everyone just went to room of their choosing and ranted and raved about whatever they wanted

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    Crazdwriterposted 13 years ago

    Well excuse me Sue jeez don't ahve to get your panties in a bunch just because I like to quote ppl

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       Sue Adamsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       If you go to threaded view you can find my reply immediately under your post without me needing to quote you at all. Really, it works, just pleeeeze, stay in threaded view for ten minutes and you'll see how easy it is. Sorry, didn't mean to sound like I was getting my panties in a bunch.

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          Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          hehehe panties in a bunch.    Im sure the threaded view makes sense. If your computer will let you switch to it. But it would be nice to somehow make the chronological view work too.

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    Has_aWayWithWordsposted 13 years ago

    wait ladies, let me fill the pool with jello before you get to wrestling around..

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       Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       ewwww but Has I hate Jello

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       EmpressFelicityposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       OK, as long as it's not lime flavour.  I don't like lime jelly.

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    Has_aWayWithWordsposted 13 years ago

    How bout pudding??? mmmmm

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       Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Chocolate pudding is good for me

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    Has_aWayWithWordsposted 13 years ago

       Chocolate it is   the winner gets to have BBQ with me afterwards.

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       Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       hahaha BBQ talk again Love it!

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    Has_aWayWithWordsposted 13 years ago

    The problem with threaded view is that it makes it too hard to converse with multiple posts from different authors. If I want to reply to 2 people in threaded view I have to make 2 posts in order to have it make sense. In chrono view I can quote them both and respond and everyone knows what I am saying.

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       Sue Adamsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       You can mention people's names Has_aWayWithWords, when you want to reply to 2 people in threaded view can't she Crazdwriter? I'm not letting go that easy.

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          Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Umm sorry but Has is a guy and having to do that is more annoying than just quoting what who you want to talk to because the threads move so fast in some cases

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    Crazdwriterposted 13 years ago

    Tried the threaded when it was first introduced. Yea I am not in HS where I had to write everything out in outline format. and that is how it feels in threaded

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    Sufidreamerposted 13 years ago

    Nope - not a fan of the threaded view, either - it is fragmented and all over the place. Sometimes, if it ain't broke...
    
    Besides which, the writing in threaded view is miniscule - I have to using the ctrl + and - keys!

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       Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Hey Sufi...need me to push you into 100? lol

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          Sufidreamerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          hehe - Push away!
          
          Visit all of my Hubs at least five times and leave at least ten comments on each. That should do it
          
          Thanks in advance

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             Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             lol Sufi you really want me to leave 10 comments? I don't know id I could do that lol sorry but I could try to visit all of them at least 5 times, rate up and leave one comment though 82 is a lot to go through phew I got my work cut out for me....

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    Sue Adamsposted 13 years ago

    Hello, I switched and joined you all in chronological view. It's bigger but I still prefer the threaded view. Anyway, I'll stop blowing my horn for innovation. I tried.

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    Has_aWayWithWordsposted 13 years ago

    lol, I doubt it would take that much for him to hit 100 I have already checked out a few of his..lol  I am still trying to get any of my hubs to break 90 and I am creepin towards 100 followers 

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    wordscribe41posted 13 years ago

    Haven't been on HP in a while, so I was unpleasantly surprised to find the new forum structure.  And, frankly I'm hatin' it.  It's confusing, disjointed, and NOT user friendly.  Only bonus is it dissuades me from spending too much time on the forums...

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    Mishaposted 13 years ago

    Hi Wordscribe, welcome back! We missed you

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       wordscribe41posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks, Misha.  I missed you guys, too.

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    Mishaposted 13 years ago

    yw Get busy girl, a lot of new people to get familiar with since your last visit LOL

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       wordscribe41posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Yikes, I noticed.  Can't find any old folks, 'cept you.  Good to see you.

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    cindyvineposted 13 years ago

    Hey Wordscribe, where did you disappear to?

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    Has_aWayWithWordsposted 13 years ago

    <---- one of those new people
    
    I don't think I am very familiar with wordscribe.

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