Isn't divulging earning against policy?

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   bravewarriorposted 2 years ago

   The following article names several HP authors and their earnings. Have you actually provided this information to the author? Doesn't this go against policy? If you've not provided the stated information, please report him/her.
   
   https://hubpages.com/community/Some-Hig … t-HubPages
   
   Those who are mentioned are:
   
   Eddie Carrara
   Candace Bacon
   Nicole Canfield
   Linda Crampton
   Alex Rose

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      tsmogposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      As others have said the information of them is on the old landing page for HubPages. Below is the link to the old landing page. There are posted articles and as you scroll down you will see those hubbers with the earnings displayed.
      
      https://hubpages.com/signout/

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         bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         Wow.

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            tsmogposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Yeah, it wasn't around long, and soon followed was the advent of the Niche site strategy, thus that landing page held no value as a recruitment tool for new writers.

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               bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

               Little did they know....

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         dylananthony4uposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         Interesting

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      Matt Wellsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Hubbers can talk about their monthly earnings, but posting CPC/CPM data is against the TOS.

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         bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks for clearing that up, Matt.

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   AliciaCposted 2 years ago

   The writer is getting the information from the HubPages home page. The information is public, but it's from years ago and is very likely out of date for the writers and misleading for readers.
   
   The author is using the information to promote an Amazon sale. It's up to HubPages what they do with the article, but I don't like information about me (Linda Crampton) being used to help someone else make money.

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      Rupert Taylorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I've reported the rascal.

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         bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         Good for you, Rupert!

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      bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Linda, I had no idea HP posts earnings on the home page. I understand they want to lure writers to this format, but divulging such information is unethical, in my opinion.

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         DrMark1961posted 2 years agoin reply to this

         They did ask people first and as far as I know only put the info up for people that accepted. Some of us declined.

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            bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            That's good to know, Dr. Mark. I notice most all who responded began with, "I love writing for HubPages because...". It seems they were given a complete-this-sentence task.

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         Matt Wellsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         We asked permission from Hubbers before their earnings were displayed.

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            bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            That's good to know. Thanks, Matt.

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         stuff4kidsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         Since the takeover--if not before--it's all gone down the pan. Very sad. I don't write here anymore. It's just very sad. TBH, I feel a bit betrayed as they always claimed it was about community and sharing your passion (as well as a business, sure) but now I think it's obvious that it's always only been a way to get people to write for peanuts while someone at the top rakes in the cash. Is this comment somehow wrong? I don't think so. I put my heart and soul and hours and hours of work into this... and now? I miss all the lovely people I once knew who jumped ship and I'm sorry i got taken for such a ride.

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   Jodahposted 2 years ago

   I know these authors and their earnings were featured on the HubPages landing page..not sure if that is still the case, but the author of this article bases it on 2017 earnings supposedly. If that is the case I guess it could be stated it was public knowledge.

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      bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      But it shouldn't be public knowledge, John. Did the writers authorize the public post? My earnings from my job aren't posted online. I would be appalled if they were. What I make is no one's business.

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         Jodahposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         I agree, it shouldn’t. I was shocked when I first saw all these published on the landing page. Especially when HubPages had always told us never to discuss our earnings in the forums etc.

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            bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Exactly my point!

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         MizBejabbersposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         You are certainly right. Working for state government made me very uncomfortable because all our salaries were public information. I can see that since we were paid by the tax payers, but I really didn't like it. But this is different. This is personal and private.

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            bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            I agree, Doris, but it seems posting income on the WWW isn't against policy, but discussing it in the forums is. I don't get it. It's okay to go public, but not discuss income privately???

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   Misbah786posted 2 years ago

   Lol! The person posted it on HubPages. What bravery! Bavo!
   
   Edit: According to the profile, the user joined HubPages 9 years ago!

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      bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah, I saw that, Misbah. I was shocked.

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   PaulGoodman67posted 2 years ago

   Obviously Linda Crampton's a real writer, but I don't think they all are. It's always been my feeling that some of those featured were created by HP.
   
   Anyway, those writers have hogged the home page for too long. It's time to make way for new blood. How about featuring:
   
   Kat Furrier, the pet expert, member since 2012
   Penny Pincher, frugal living enthusiast, who earns $50/month
   Randy Oldman from Arizona, the experienced relationship expert

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      bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I love your sense of humor, Paul!

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         PaulGoodman67posted 2 years agoin reply to this

         Inspired by Eddie Carrara, the automobile expert!

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            bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            

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      Matt Wellsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      All of the Hubbers with earnings displayed are real.

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   Jodahposted 2 years ago

   Haha, Paul. Yes, and Mel Carriere the intrepid mailman on LetterPile. But he is real.

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      MizBejabbersposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, he is. And he's one of the best on HP.

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         Jodahposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         He certainly is, MizB.

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   ravirajan01posted 2 years ago

   I agree, Shauna. Earning information is private to an author and should not be disclosed or even used in any form.

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      bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yep. Earnings are personal and should not be made public.

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         PaulGoodman67posted 2 years agoin reply to this

         I think HP have always done it in one form or another. I liked it when the featured writers had traffic graphs, too.
         
         It seems reasonable for HP to do, but I'm less comfortable for a writer to use the info in the way that you've linked to.

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            bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Right, Paul. I always thought that was a no-no.

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            DrMark1961posted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Yes I remember reading one of those years ago from Alec (San Diego?). I think it was mostly about traffic. There were no actual dollar amounts, but did give us an idea on traffic so you could decide whether or not it was worth it to participate here.

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               bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

               That would be a more fair way of attracting new writers rather than mislead them by the few who actually made/make good money on this format.
               
               With the recent takeovers, I doubt there are many high earners in real time. The writers' share of revenue has decreased noticeably.

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                  Jodahposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  That is probably why they don’t like us discussing our earnings. It is okay for the top, say 10% whose income make it look attractive to join. But they don’t want the majority divulging that they don’t make enough for payout each month. That doesn’t look so enticing.

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                     bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                     Not making enough to meet monthly payout certainly comes up in the forums, John - and quite often.

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   jansharesposted 2 years ago

   Hi Shauna,
   I think the rule is for the forums, not articles. Writing these types of articles is not new. I recall seeing them in the past. Here's one that was written in 2020. There is also a Part 2 to this one, written by hubber Aurelio Locsin who has been here for 14 years, producing 350 articles.
   https://discover.hubpages.com/community … t-1-Basics

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      AliciaCposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for sharing this, Jan. Though it's up to HubPages whether they want to publish articles like this, I don't think they should. The article that you've shared was created in 2012, but readers may think that it was created in 2020 because that date is written at the top of the page.
      
      I didn't check all of the writers in the list, but one of them currently has a score in the 70s instead of in the 90s and hasn't edited their articles for many years (ten years or more for most of the articles). Some on Delishably have been edited, but I know from my own articles that the editors have recently been updating articles on that site. The writer seems to have moved on.
      
      The point I'm trying to make is that articles like this are misleading for the public and may hurt the reputation of the site when people discover that they are out of date. I know the article is on Discover, but it's part of the network.

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         jansharesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         You're welcome, Linda and thank you for the corrections. Your point is well taken. I agree that these articles are very misleading, especially if they are old and don't reflect the income of most hubbers.

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         bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         Excellent point, Linda!

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      PaulGoodman67posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Slightly off-topic, but that article really is a blast from the past!
      
      It brought back a lot of names that I'd almost forgotten.
      
      Marye Audet was one of the most successful hubbers on here, but I see that she no longer has an account. People come and go from here I guess. (I may have to go myself if things don't improve soon!).
      
      The writer of the article attaches importance to author's hub score and number of followers which is a little naïve.
      
      Back in those days, you could churn out stuff and you'd get some sort of success, even if it was a few hundred hubs of mediocre quality. Anybody who managed to put in more effort and produce something superior was almost guaranteed success. It was all relatively casual and easy in retrospect.
      
      It's amazing how much things have changed. Just throwing an article together in an hour or so without any editing, research, etc. is most likely a recipe for failure nowadays. It's a super-competitive environment.

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         jansharesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         Not off-topic at all, Paul. I think you speak to the fact that even ten years ago, HubPages was a different place at a different time. Those types of articles were thriving as were hubbers. Making money and views were a lot easier then. Some of the names brought back memories for me, too.

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            PaulGoodman67posted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Some of the fun and enthusiasm seems to have been lost, unfortunately. Panda and the subsequent Google updates really forced HP to go in a very different direction to what they originally planned.
            
            Here's a video trip down Memory Lane, if you're interested...
            
            The 2011 Hubbie Awards

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               jansharesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

               Wow, thanks for sharing, Paul. I had never seen this, before my time started the summer of 2012. But it was so nice to see Samantha and to hear those familiar names. That was a gem of a video.

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                  PaulGoodman67posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes, it's funny to see and hear the team of that period. Simone was a character.
                  
                  The last HubPagesDotCom video on YouTube was posted around the time when it went to Haven. Nothing after that.

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                     jansharesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                     I meant Simone, not Samantha. Simone was a hoot. Loved her, very responsive and helpful.

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               bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

               Thanks for sharing this, Paul. 2011 is the year I joined HP. So many of the winners in the 2011 Hubbie Awards are writers I know and miss. This was enjoyable. There were many more categories back then than there are today, weren't there?

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         bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         That it is, Paul. Times have certainly changed in this environment.

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      bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting. Thanks, Jan.

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         jansharesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         You're welcome.

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   peeplesposted 2 years ago

   I just looked at my all time earnings and honestly I am kind of sad to have not been included. lol
   
   Plenty of us who don't hang out here on a regular basis, still become quite profitable. I think it's a positive thing to post that info to encourage other writers to keep at it. It takes time to build to making money here. Some new writers might need to see those numbers to get rid of the writer's block.
   
   I miss the old days when we had Q and A. Everyone had little spats, but we knew each other. We were a community. I stopped hanging out here right about when the Q and A came down.

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      bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Q and A was good for readers who landed on our articles organically. Comments were what kept the HP community alive. I miss those days tremendously.

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      jansharesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Hi Peeples,
      Good to see you. I miss those days, too. Q&A was fun, it kept the brain fresh with ideas, some of which would become hubs. But mostly it was about interacting in community. Take care.

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