Hub Score and Hubber Score

1. 92

   EricDockettposted 5 weeks ago

   Since HP decided to kick our articles back to Discover, for some inexplicable reason, my Hubber score has plummeted. It is still kind of hanging in there on this account because I still have articles on niche sites, but on my other accounts it has dropped into the 60s.
   
   Prior to the move, it was in the 97-100 range on all of my accounts for as long as I can remember.
   
   Everyone says this doesn't matter, but it does. Hub scores have dropped as well, which I assume is why Hubber scores have dropped.
   
   I now have articles with scores in the 40s somehow. These same articles were once hand-curated for the niche sites and have been “professionally edited” several times.
   
   For the first time since I can ever remember, I am getting those stupid circles saying my articles don't meet the quality bar.
   
   I am under no illusion that HP really gives a darn whether I continue to write here or not. But, if you want to continue to make some kind of money with Discover it seems like it would be smart to fix this idiotic system that rates hubs lower just because they are on a different site.

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      Kenna McHughposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      My score stayed about the same. However, my views and CRMs appear to be rising. Perhaps the infamous Google located my once popular articles dwindling and nabbed them. I am not getting my hopes up.

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      Patty Inglish, MSposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      My Hubber score and Hub scores increased, views increased markedly, but earnings each of the past 8 days was 50% lower than usual.

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   3. 91

      Genna Eastposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      I've noticed a bit of a drop on Discover items, but not on LetterPile.  LetterPile views have seemed to inrease just in the past week or so.  My score waivers each day, however.  I've given up trying to understand it all.

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      Matt Wellsposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      We are working on adjusting Hubber Scores and Hub Score. You don't need to worry about them. They don't determine if your article is featured or not.

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         Kenna McHughposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

         In that case, Matt, please leave them all high!

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2. 96

   Rupert Taylorposted 5 weeks ago

   My numbers haven't changed, but the received wisdom is that the Hubscore is meaningless.
   
   What has changed, of course, is earnings, and not in a good way.

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3. 87

   theraggededgeposted 5 weeks ago

   I'm still languishing in the 80s. Matt said it would return to normal but it hasn't. I've barely no articles on niche sites now - all on Discover.

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4. 96

   Dean Traylorposted 5 weeks ago

   Oddly, my Hub Score went up. Still, my earnings plummeted during the summer. Now, thanks to an article that has gone viral, my earnings are at or near what was made about this time last year.

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5. 96

   eugbugposted 5 weeks ago

   Most of the ads don't seem to be displaying now anyway,. There are just large white spaces. Also there are banner ads stretched across the screen of a phone, midway down, obscuring the text underneath. Not that it matters at this stage since earnings have pretty much nearly hit rock bottom.
   
   Edit: Oh here they are, but it took about 3 minutes for them to appear. It's no wonder views are so low because pages aren't displaying properly and can't be scrolled.

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6. 87

   Venkatachari Mposted 5 weeks ago

   My hubber score has been between 84 and 86 for the last 6 months or so after I updated my articles and got them featured.
   The individual scores of my articles range between 64 to 89.

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7. 95

   PaulGoodman67posted 5 weeks ago

   Views and earnings are the concerns for me.
   
   I stopped paying attention to hub and scores many years ago. I remember Simone (a popular member of staff) confirming that they didn't matter in around 2012.

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8. 91

   Titiaposted 5 weeks ago

   My hub (70-90) and Hubber (92) scores  never changed much, but my views and earnings are back to when I started here. I never earned much, but I reached payout every two months for a long time and sometimes every month. That is history now. Looking at my earnings for this month sofar, I think I'll reach payout in about two years.

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   PaulGoodman67posted 5 weeks ago

   The hub and hubber scores are really an anachronism from the very early days of HP when they chose to integrate elements of social media (e.g. followers) etc.
   
   For sure, there's a basic algorithm that decides the scores and they will go up and down. The main original intention was to encourage people to participate in the site and not break the rules.
   
   It's just a number, though, it doesn't gain you any views or earnings. It's essentially arbitrary.

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   1. 92

      EricDockettposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      I feel like people are missing the point of my post. Probably my fault.
      
      Hub scores DO matter when they drop low enough. You get the low-quality content thing and your hub is unfeatured.
      
      That never happened to me—ever—until my content went to Discover.
      
      So, the question is, how is an article that was hand-picked for a niche site and edited multiple times by myself and "professional editors" suddenly low-quality?

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         Kenna McHughposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

         I hear you, Eric. It is a frustration. I can only imagine that it's Google backlash. I used to perform research on Google, but not anymore because it's all paid advertising. It's a joke when it comes to rankings. I suspect TAG will use advertizing on Google for the upcoming change.

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         eugbugposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

         It's not. It's just algorithmically "low-quality" and could automatically be unfeatured, but presumably that can be overridden.

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            PaulGoodman67posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            Eugene's right.
            
            It's just an arbitrary number generated by an algorithm, Eric. I can understand why you believe what you do and there are others who see a low score as having negative consequences. I used to believe the same thing for several years.
            
            However, your fears are based on an assumption that's not the case. In the days when staff were more active in the forums, they confirmed this.
            
            I remember Will Apse describing the scores as a kind of Skinner-style behavioralist psychological project. The intention was to maximize newbie participation and encourage them to follow guides and obey the rules.
            
            You say in the OP that you're also worried about your hubber score. Nothing bad will happen for having a low hubber score either.
            
            Sketchy people do sometimes have very low hubber scores, but that's because the algo deducts points with people who've broken rules. The low score is essentially the effect, not the cause.
            
            I presume my hubber score stays over ninety because I comment in the forums. That's the only way that I participate with HP nowadays. If I stay away from the forums for any length of time, my score tends to drop.
            
            Having *low views* in the stats is another matter. Editors (in the days when we had editors) did use that as a criterion for reassessing hubs, some of which were demoted as a result. I believe the thinking was that if an article has low views, Google doesn't like it for some reason.

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               EricDockettposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

               What do you mean, they don't have negative consequences? My articles were unfeatured because of the low hub score. Isn't that a negative consequence?
               
               I am mostly blowing off steam, I guess. I'm pretty much done with HP, and I don't actually believe they will fix anything anyway.

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                  PaulGoodman67posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Hubs with low scores are more likely to be unfeatured, just as hubbers with low hubber scores are more likely to eventually get banned.
                  
                  That doesn't mean that the score is necessarily the *cause*.
                  
                  The scores algorithm was intended to give an indication to newbies of how well they're doing.
                  
                  I don't think they've ever upgraded the hubscores and hubber scores algorithm in all the time I've been here. I believe it was abandoned a long time ago, just like they stopped promoting the followers thing. It's an anachronism.
                  
                  But yes, you're right about this site having no future. I can't see anything positive happening now. I think all the editing over the past three years was the last roll of the die.
                  
                  I think I'm almost beyond upset now as my earnings are barely worth worrying about, they're so low.
                  
                  I made the equivalent of a part-time income here for a long time. Those days are over.

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                  Kenna McHughposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Eric, I hear you. I am frustrated because there are speculations from a few posters that amounts to nil. Matt chimes in and says nothing worthwhile as well. He's more like the waterboy on the side lines saying, "You get the next one."

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         Miebakagh57posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

         It's odd. But much hoax has been played around this hubscore and hubber score thing algorithmically.                                  Neither Google, nor Hubpages has any specific answer to the issue.                                    Seriously, a hubscore of 90 plummeting down to 40, is a concern to the author, but not HubPages. And Google bot algorithmically catch that to discredit the site?

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      4. STAFF

         Matt Wellsposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

         A low Hub Score does not unfeatured your article. We are working on fixing scores.

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            Kenna McHughposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            Matt, You're adding it to your endless list of things to do?

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    Venkatachari Mposted 5 weeks ago

    Unfeatured articles are divided into two groups. One is the half-featured article, which is due to low or no traffic. The other one is for low quality- it is fully unfeatured.

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    Miebakagh57posted 5 weeks ago

    What can Matt Wells do in this case? He's not incharge of TAG.

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12. 74

    Miebakagh57posted 5 weeks ago

    What does all these means? For years the scores has been up and down, up and down.

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13. 84

    viryaboposted 4 weeks ago

    Well, sad to say, my hub/hubber score (don’t know one from the other) CRASHED from an average of 95, to 84.
    
    It happened IMMEDIATELY after my Dengarden hubs were moved to Discover. Within hours!
    
    I found it strange. But I don’t care anymore.

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       theraggededgeposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       Yes, that's why I think mine fell. I had only one article on DenGarden so all the others from Exemplore and FeltMagnet were moved in one fell swoop. And my hubberscore swooped as well. I know it doesn't mean anything but still...

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14. 84

    viryaboposted 4 weeks ago

    In my other niche accounts, things still remain the same.

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    Miebakagh57posted 4 weeks ago

    Sad to say. t think if given time, things can improved?

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       viryaboposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       I don’t know anymore. There is no concrete assurance from the powers that be.

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