I just wanted to let everyone know that I have heard from Hokey. He is okay and he didn't mean to scare anyone. The entire incident has been misconstrued greatly.
I am sure it normally happens that way, thank you for letting everyone know.
Thanks. I hope he comes back soon. He took everything down.
so best to let him be, let him live his life.
why so much drama? it's not our business.
If something is being misconscrewed-- or strewed, it's good that it is only slightly rather than greatly. Everyone needs to take a step back now and then.
Wishing the best to all.
Yes !! he sent me a message vis FB telling me about this thread ! I'm so happy he's OK !!
Maybe, he's finally found his nirvana!!! (and no, I didn't say, wife!)
Tell him I said 'namaste' and am glad he's doing well....
Well he sure kept the forums lively I hope he decides not to stay away to long.
Sadly, because of a certain hubber's rude comments to him on FB, he will not be returning to HubPages. Instead, he will be moving on to another site, although he does not want to stop talking to any of us. He provided his FB information on another thread and he is still accepting all emails.
You're welcome. even though it wasn't exactly the news I wanted to deliver
not the news i wanted to hear either and i cant find his fb info
I didn't know it was on FB as well !
I think he should come back. In a week or two. We're going to miss him if not !
I think it's somewhere in the marriage thread, but it's buried.
Gee if rude comments were a reason for leaving I would have left awhile ago. Like the guy who insisted all the peroxide had gone to my brain.
Come on Hokey you are the man!!!
She said she wanted to spit on Hokey's brother's grave. It was a lot more detailed than that, but it wasn't the typical rude comment. It was very insulting and it came from someone Hokey had grown close to.
It wasn't right, but Hokey is being the bigger person here. I won't be following her anymore, but I don't want to ruin her reputation either. She needs support just as much as Hokey did. I'd hate to see two hubbers leave.
wow that is f'd up to say the very least but you are right we all need the support of our friends here
that is beyond the pale
p.s. SHUT UP TANTRUM NO ONE WAS TALKING TO YOU
i won't even honor anything you say with a response, you amoral prankster. you have to invade every single thread and make it about YOU, you egomaniac.
(three guesses who it was, Pani. i got enough clues reading your response, and tantrum's.
that doesn't surprise me....
It was not tantrum if that's what you're thinking. Tantrum is actually a victim here too.
thank you Pani! but don't worry. She has to spill all her hatred to feel better. Go figure !
I just don't want an innocent person to be blamed for the indiscretions of another. I didn't want to lose Hokey and I don't want to lose anyone else.
i dont know what tantrum is talking about. i think she has finally gone all unhinged....
You're not going to lose anybody. just don't pay attention to cosette. she has personal problems with me, as everybody can see.
you know what is funny about tantrum?
she says i hate her when in actuality, i avoid her like the plague that she is.
i came in this thread to express my feelings and thoughts about Hokey and as you can see, SHE is the one who pounced on me. i wasn't even talking to her. in fact, i NEVER talk to tantrum. i don't waste time hating anyone, least of all her. when you actively hate someone, you have to think about them. i never think about tantrum or try to decipher what is in her head. in fact, when someone asked to name some good Hubpages poets, i recommended tantrum's work and called her work stunning. duh, if i hated tantrum would i do that? no....the fact is i have no feelings for her at all. but that doesn't mean i am going to sit quietly and let her attack me.
she, as illustrated in this thread, not only seeks the first opportuntity to jump on me and slander me, she feels a need to tell people who don't know me from Adam, like Pani, to ignore me, which i don't appreciate. apparently she is used to telling people what to do, who to hate, etc.
that is twisted, i have to say.
when she hurts people and others call her on it, she says none of this is real, all of Hubpages is a game haha it's all so funny, but when it happens to a friend of hers, it's all soooo serious and soooo hurtful.
I'm not ignoring you, nor do I hate you. Other people do not control my feelings, emotions, or thoughts. When have I ever openly ignored you? I respond to your comments when I feel that I have something to add, just as I do with everyone else.
Where have I ignored you? If you'll notice in a certain Jack and Jill thread, I replied to one of your comments. If I have ignored you here, that is simply because I had nothing more to add to the conversation. If I have ignored you in another thread, perhaps that is because I am not paying attention to that thread at this given time. If it is through email, that is because I rarely check my email.
Please do not make assumptions about me. I am a free-thinking person. I am perfectly capable of forming my own opinions and thoughts, thank you very much.
oh i know you weren't ignoring me Pani. i said that tantrum was telling you to...and that whole post was about tantrum, not you.
as i said i don't know you at all, so tantrum has no business telling you, or anyone, to ignore me. anyway, i'm glad that you don't listen to tantrum and her tomfoolery
Tantrum never told me to ignore you. This post is about Hokey, by the way, which is why his name is the title and I am providing updates about the situation the best way I know how without putting another hubber's reputation in danger.
Now please excuse me for saying this, as I have the utmost respect for both you and tantrum, but by having a silly argument about nothing in a thread that is not about either of you, you are making complete fools of yourselves.
That being said, I am finished responding to this conversation.
no i know it wasn't tantrum. it is obvious from her posts that she is communicating with hokey.
tantrum is protecting someone. why? i don't know why anyone would protect someone who is capabale of saying something so awful to someone who is in a grieving state...
what, they don't have the guts to stand alone? they need the resident pitbull to got their back?
'k, that's funny....
I'm not protecting. she's a person with mental problems. I'm trying to leave her out of it.
so a female
was close to him
has mental problems
is well known
i think i have solved the mystery, Watson. thanks!
I don't think Hokey would want people to know who it was either. This hubber has been through a lot and she is still going through a lot. She doesn't need attacks from people via the internet to add to her pain.
I'm sitting here trying to guess who would say such a horrible thing, and truly I just can't imagine anyone saying that.
Well I hope Hokey comes back, and I think he has alot of friends here. I know his buddha belly and cheerfulness will be missed by many. In the middle of the 'religion wars' he always makes me stop and smile.
I hate seeing him leave because of some hateful idiot.
this is why i don't let anyone here, even people who are my friends, follow me to facebook. i know that sounds strange, but my family, close friends and coworkers are there. to think that some deranged hubber would follow me there and invade my life that way would be horrible.
so who was it?
tell us all. i know I'D like to know who goes following hubbers around and posts nasty stuff to them. i was just starting to like Mr. Hokey and all of a sudden he's gone. why can't you say who it is? i know I'M curious. if you ask me, if they are bad enough to do something that outrageous, they deserve to be outed, in my opinion.
I can't say who the hubber was, unfortunately. If I did, HP would turn into a battle ground. She is a very well-known hubber.
well that's too bad.
Hokey, i hope you come back.
i know when i was going to leave and started tearing down my hubs, my friends, and Hugpages, talked me down. and i'm glad they did.
we were just beginning to make friends
you're like me in a lot of ways....happy and all on the outside. that is genuine, no doubt. but people think because of that, that you don't have a heart and don't feel sad sometimes, which isn't right.
anyway, that's all.
it's very clear who it is... I hope hokey spends time writing his hubs and concentrates on his own life.
bravo cosette. . .
i could not had said it better!
I'd like to see that too!
one harsh comment? my goodness no wonder people resort to wearing masks and pretend to be someone their not.
Hokey, I respect your decision very much, and do understand the dilemma you faced.
I think we will all come to the realisation that you have done what is the only thing you can do under these circumstance to honour your own high moral standards.
Deep respect my friend, deep respect for your decision.
By the way, this problem will be gone soon anyway.
I agree with AEvans, people have a certain style when they write. I will be back cross jesting with you very soon!
Knowing the offenders complications has given me a change of heart on outing her. The T.S.Elliot solution is called for here. ...... wait.
How mentally ill does she have to be in order to not be accountable for saying such a rotten thing as she reportedly said?
I dunno who y'all are referring to, but I mean, really, doesn't she at least owe Hokey an apology?
Hokey is owed an apology Brenda, and I suspect he will get one. I still say it is best to wait this one out.
Was it really BRENDA???? who said such an awful thing, dancing on the guy's brother's GRAVE????? Horrible, what are we thinking here, what is it with the occasional VERY CRUEL AND UNSEEMLY COMMENT????
I really wouldn't have expected that of Brenda....
There MUST BE some LIMITS...
I'm not surprised if Hokey went....
I lost two brothers myself, and believe me, I've never REALLY gotten over it.
Who said it was Brenda ??
Of course she wasn't !!
you got it all wrong !
I really, really, hope it wasn't Brenda....
I don't know who it was, I'm not sure I WANT to know, but that SURE was an inappropriate thing to say to ANYBODY! ANYTIME!!!! FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER!!!!
Yes absolutely wrong! I used her name when replying to her post, as I always do.
This is part of the trouble of written communication, huh? It's why I refuse to ever solve personal disputes through email...
That sounds like a good policy. I have never had one such email in 2 years. Maybe the people who send nasty emails have used their logic to decide it couldn't reach Australia, too far for them internetty things to travel!
Might get intercepted by a 'roo, you know! I've had people (no one from HP EVER) decide it's easier to hide behind an email that call me when we're having issues. Trouble is, things get "misconstrued" and even FORWARDED onto other people. I won't touch those situations with a 10 foot pole. No way, no how.
I agree Hokey is owed an apology, but apologies mean more when the person comes to realize their mistake on their own and aren't forced into making one. Also, after what the hubber said, I would completely understand if an apology was not accepted. Her email to Hokey was extremely cruel.
having been the recipient of cruel emails myself from the same hubber, who mentioned MY SON in said email, none of this surprises me at all.
when will people like this stop playing the victim card? how many people do they have to follow and hurt before people stop excusing them and the hurt they inflict on people? (and yes, i have my spies too who tell me who said what...)
Whats happened, has she found Zen and given up the Pen? or should I say keyboard?
I'm so sorry that Hokey has been hurt. I like him very much, he's so deep! Some of the things he said caused me to think...a lot. It actually made me cry, but I cried because his words were true and I realized something important. This has been within the last 10 days. And I would say this too:
If the situation were different and if I wasn't married, I'd be knocking on his door.....his traits are worth holding onto. You don't find it in everyone. Someone who has lived and loved with all his heart, Hokey (Larry) deserves the best. He will overcome, he will heal.....
I'm so sorry this happened to Hokey. He does not deserve this at all.
I agree wordscribe.
Hokey has been a breath of fresh air with his gentle views on life, and he is very entertaining and funny as well.
It will all settle down in time I hope.
I'm going to miss Hokey, and I hope he comes back in the near future. He was a very open and honest person, which is rare to find nowadays!
Good night everyone. Please don't worry about me. I am ok. I have alot to think about. Not sure if I should stay here. Attack on me I can shrug off. Attack on friend that is gone who had no part of this not so easy. I'm not perfect. That is why they call it a Buddhist (Practice). Whatever I decide I am grateful to all that are here for a memorable time. I republished the poems I wrote for Dave because they don't belong to me. I gave them to him. I hope your days are full of love, light, and laughter. Namaste
I'm happy you're OK. I hope you'd feel as coming back soon. I will miss you !!
Hokey, will miss you when you're gone. Peace and light.
Good night, Hokey. Thanks for letting everyone know you're okay.
Hokey - there are people on here who are clearly mentally ill - don't give in to the nonsense that sometimes comes out of their delusions - get some peace, then get back here please; you have so few enemies and so many friends here.
But you still have brothers who will miss you!
People should calm down and don't post hubber's names indiscriminately.
what happened is something between Hokey and the said hubber.
Who is naming names? Why can't everyone just let it be?
You don't agree that dancing on the bereaved person's lost one's grave is an inappropriate comment???? How very modern of you.
I understand your point about bandied names... You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT about that, still, was it my brother, I'd be so gone too...
What has Brenda got to do with any of this? All I did was use here name when replying to her. In no way did I say or imply that she did this.
Brenda has nothing to do with any of this. Neither does anyone else who has responded to this thread.
Please don't name names or accuse anyone of anything. I didn't intend to start some great mystery for people to solve. I was simply informing people of the situation. There is no mystery and no one needs to know.
It is between Hokey and said hubber. The ONLY reason any information was posted here was so people who were worried would know Hokey is okay and know the gist of the situation.
I'm so sorry I misunderstood...
It doesn't matter so much to me who said it (though I'm sincerely GLAD it WASN'T BRENDA!!!!!) , and I really thought that didn''t sound much like her, it's the fact it was said at all, on a public forum, to someone recently bereaved of their brother...
That comment is so uncalled for it should have been expunged before it ever reached Hokey.
I know this sounds like censorship but what are people thinking? To say something like that to someone recently bereaved of their BROTHER???? That's what I can't get over...
I am having a lot of trouble with that as well. I believe the person is having a psychotic episode, in which hokey's good attitude and sad loss may have resulted in her handing over a projection to protect her own consciousness. It makes sense to me this way, but otherwise ....
look the bottom line is whoever said the messed up crap to hokey is wrong and it is between him and that person so to have all this drama and bs in a thread that is meant to simply let us know he is ok was just uncalled for ... we all have our opinions but this is just crazy.
all of us here are a family in some way shape or form and we all support each other even when we don't particularly like the person we are supporting but we do it because these people do it for us.
the forums always have some kind of drama and whatnot and always will im sure but this is the second time today i have seen arguments to this level and i just don't see the point.
can we just let him do his thing and if he decides to come back then he knows we are all here waiting for him. we all love him with our own right just as we do the others who have come and gone or in my case just gone since i haven't been here long enough for someone to come and go but at any rate let's just let it go and let hokey know we love him dearly and miss him cuz i know i sure do. he always made me smile without even trying and without ever knowing anything was wrong.
this is prolly gonna kill my stats here but i have to say it and im sorry if it changes the way you all think about me but these arguments are really stressing me out and making me not want to be in the forums anymore. its just not fun like it was 6 weeks ago.
i hope you all find some kind of peace in your situations with others and hokey if you are reading this i am sorry that this horrible thing happened to you...thank you for all the laughs and love.
I couldn't have said it better, pinkylee. But please don't leave the forums. We'll have fun again. People just need to take their heads out of their rear ends and realize that having silly arguments and playing silly guessing games isn't the grown up way to handle anything.
I agree with you, pinkylee. I think the desire to find out who it is stems from feeling insecure now, like who can we trust when we know there is this awful soul out there capable of such cruel and biting words. I think people want to feel safe. That, more than anything, is the impetus for the desire to discover the identity of this hubber.
Maybe the people who say, "Let it go" are really right, bottom line, but really, really, really, what an AWFUL thing to say, I just can't seem to get my mind straight why anybody would. I loved both my brothers who are gone now, and I think of them often, and I wish their souls everything good in the afterlife, if there is one, and I'm crying so hard...I can't see any more...I think I'll get off the forums, goodnight.
Paradise, I'm so sorry for your loss. No doubt this really hits home for you and stirs up lots of emotion. Hugs to you! I'm baffled by the whole ordeal myself. It's one of the cruelest things I've ever heard a person say... You just DON'T say that. Again, so sorry about your brothers.
i cant fathem anyone saying such a hurtful thing either but sad to say my ex use to say it about everyone who "did him wrong" when all in all he was the one doing wrong.
i am sorry for your loss and im sorry this has stirred up such emotion for you and i hope it all gets better soon .. get some rest and take care of yourself hun
A big group hub hug hokey! with all your admirers ya got us ten deep!
I ceased being amazed at the things people say long ago. Of course, it still engenders pity for the speaker. Only someone with a very sad life spews such venom. And I am very familiar with venom.
Okay after reading this thread, lol, I'm going back to the religion wars!
Hokey come back!
Being that I don't know who left a comment that hurt Hokey so badly (and don't care-it's none of my business) I am sad to see Hokey leave, he brightened up many threads, and has a great way of viewing things. He will be missed-and hope he finds his way back to HP someday soon.best of luck Hokey!
Not really sure what is up, but I can pretty much figure it out from the thread. I'm sorry this happened to you and at such a bad time.
I have enjoyed reading your forum posts here and wish you could stay, but I would probably do the same thing. It would be very hard to go back to normal after that. Whatever you do, take care.
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