just how many sockpuppets does one hubber need?

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ralwusposted 14 years ago
I think we all should be able to know who our followers are. I bet over half of mine are alter egos and a 3/4 are sock puppets. I for one would really like to know. HP should tell us.
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  rebekahELLEposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  it would be nice to know, but a few are obvious.
  check out getmyback and some of her hubs and who comments on them.
  they seem eerily familiar.
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mega1posted 14 years ago
I am real.

really

but I WISH you were a sockpuppet, ralwus! Man, would I ever have some fun with you!
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  ralwusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well I tho't you already did. Love your new hair, it's Red!
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  mega1posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  yep. I'm partial to Red!
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cosetteposted 14 years ago

haha!!! this is so funny hee hee

their IP address is a good one.

hey please take your drama to another thread. this is a fun thread and i didn't go in your 'negativity at the door' thread and start being snippy, ok? you don't know what you're talking about, but lots of people do. thank you.
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AnythingGoesposted 14 years ago
I think everyone should own up to their sockpuppet. Right Tantrum?
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  You own up alright !
  Yeah ! I see that for you anything goes !
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Stevennix2001posted 14 years ago
by the way, i too own a sock puppet account fairly recently, but i won't tell who it is. lol. you all will have to guess. lol.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Don't you own more than one ?
  
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  Stevennix2001posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  nope, just the one.....or do i?
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wordscribe41posted 14 years ago
I don't know what to say anymore. I really don't. This place is WHACK, completely whack. All I can say to all the hubbers I do care about is tread carefully. You are being played by a person in many different suits who's very disturbed. It's way beyond a simple sockpuppet. It's very sick. I'm sorry I've lost friends over it, but I feel this person doesn't have a right to be toying with people this way.

If it weren't for Sunforged's challenge I would leave this psycho place without a second glance. But, I've made a commitment and a promise to a team. Good luck to everyone and pay close attention to IP addresses.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Agree!
  Anyway she's making her exit I think !
  To come back clean.
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  JeanMeriamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No. Still here. 2 at least
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  Rochelle Frankposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm less involved in forums as well.I look at IP's and stats.
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  JeanMeriamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  How do you find IP addresses?
  
  I've noted one sock puppet and was a little upset at being played. I discovered it through google though.
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  skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Check the comment (if it's on hubpages). There is IP address below the delete/spam/approve button.
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  JeanMeriamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for pointing that out. I never looked closely at them before.
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  rebekahELLEposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think they are quite obvious by their choice of threads and what they say. it does become rather nonsensical to even attempt to have a real discussion in some of these forum threads.
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  JeanMeriamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ya, but you've been here a while and get to know them. There are many of us fairly new to the forums who just aren't sure but are catching on slowly.
  
  I even followed one I didn't want to follow because of a new identity. Hard to enjoy the forum not knowing which personality you are talking to.
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  rebekahELLEposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I've only been here 8 months, not so long, but yeah, you do get a feel for people and I have a really strong intuition! ha.
  it's a strange feeling at times, but I trust it and it didn't take too long with one of the hubbers here.
  
  as far as IP addresses, I have read some about it and some internet servers use proxys which will give to the outside world the same IP address as others who may use that server, but inside their proxy, each individual has their own address. some networks always use the same IP address everytime you connect to the internet (static) some servers change the address often (dynamic).
  some use a CGI/webproxy to hide their IP address, but I don't know too much about that. you can find the info with a google search.
  I'm sure someone here knows much more about this subject!
  
  anyway, enjoy and watch who you're talking with.
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  mega1posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  thank you! this is cool - so when you see the ip address it will be the same as some other hubber if it is a sock puppet? and that way you find out who controls it? coooool! Knowing this, people still play weird games with socks? mondo strangeo!
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You can get faslse IPs as well. You need a program,and you do it.
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  mega1posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  well, other than guessing someone is a s.p. by their similar writing styles, how do you actually know who is and who is not a s.p.? because it isn't always about number of hubs and fans, is it? I am a bit confused. and gullible, I guess.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  A sockpuppet can be 3 years old and have lots of hubs. Or it can be 9 hours old and have any.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You should go and read one of my hubs about this issue. It's very enlightening.
  BTW someone is talking about you and Steven in the comments.
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  mega1posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  yep - I read one of your hubs - a very poetic one, about the greyness of that hoaxy world where some individual who can't sing tries to fool everyone into thinking she can sing - and I get it, but since I haven't been here so long and since I really don't ever truly believe most of these hubs and posts about sad past lives and horrible medical conditions I haven't been hurt by any of that drama. personally. I do feel for some who say they entered into "close friendships" with people who were only trying to fool them. I think that is mean to prey on people's gullibility . . . but this whole cyber world seems to have been made for just such hoaxes and scams. I have fun for awhile, but probably before too long I will not - and then I will go back to my painting and crafts and this will all seem like a short chapter in a dull story. maybe. but meantime, I am keeping my mind a little bit open. a little bit.
  
  Its the same as that particular personality who is attracted to the drug world - that same kind of personality finds ways to "use" and "abuse" others everywhere they go. sad but true.
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  Lisa HWposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  mega1, I just wrote a question with my own concerns farther down on this thread, but then I saw your comment here (I tend to "jump to end of thread" first - maybe I shouldn't from now on).
  
  This is what my concern was about. I, personally, don't buy a lot of what's on the Internet; and I know, even if it's only for "legitimate business"/advertising purposes (and not malicious or otherwise crummy), there's just a lot of baloney out there (and everywhere).
  
  Believe it or not, though, with the exception of the fact that I use a pen name (and derivatives of it) in any "personal"/extra writing I do (not related to "official work"), everything I've ever written is 100% true. That's why, even though I wasn't comfortable establishing a pen name identity 3 years ago, I did start to use a pen name (so I could write honestly without embarrassing my grown kids or anyone else).
  
  I know there's no real answer for the problem that there's so much baloney online nobody believes anything; and I'm not some naive kid who expects honesty everywhere in the world. I'm actually reasonably fine knowing there's a lot of baloney and knowing to be careful about to believe.
  
  What my "issue" is, though, is that it's important to me people know that every single word I've ever written is true. As a writer (and when it comes to my casual writing), even a spare-time one, I almost wouldn't want to write if I thought readers would just assume what I've written is lies. This is something I do think might be good to discuss here on the forums. I know I'm not the only one who doesn't write lies. (I've actually got enough stuff in my background that I might wonder if anyone would believe it's real - although it's "non-dramatic" and non-bizarre enough that the only thing that might make someone question is the number of experiences (not the experiences, themselves, which are pretty common). (I won't include some stuff that I don't want online or that's too personal, but if I post it anywhere across the Internet it's true.)
  
  My thing is I've never really cared if someone comes on the forum and uses a different name, and then posts something like, "Have you ever been to France?" What difference does that make what name it's under. Where the sockpuppet thing is "questionable" on the forums is when they get into some big, sob, story and get everyone else trying to be supportive. (I've done the "supportive thing" myself.)
  
  Anyway (and this isn't just directed at you, individually. It's just that your post "inspired" me to respond), what do people who are truthful think about all this? Does everyone just ignore it and not worry that readers may not believe it? It's never even occurred to me that anyone would think what I've written is lies.
  
  I guess whether I believe some article or Hub about personal experience or not depends on whether I get "overall/"non-descript" vibes from the writer. I know we can never be certain (and should be very careful about getting too involved). I guess my point is that I decide on a case-by-case basis, depending on those "vibes".
  
  I don't know.... This long post should have been turned into a Hub, maybe, but I thought it may not get enough comments to become a real discussion.
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  EmpressFelicityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sad but true. There was a woman here a while back who posted to say she had terminal cancer and everyone was all sympathy at first, until somebody pointed out that certain aspects of her story just didn't stack up. She vanished shortly afterwards, surprise surpise. Some people say "oh well, that's just the Internet" but I think that people who go in for this sort of hoaxing are doing something truly despicable, because it means that when someone comes along who's REALLY desperate and needs help, the rest of us will have become cynical/jaded, and will just assume he or she is another scammer or drama queen.
  
  You could be right there.
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  Lisa HWposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I know there's nothing anyone can do about it; but, for example, between yesterday and earlier today, I wrote a whole, big, Hub about shelters and living in the car. It appeared people liked it, and the score climbed steadily. It's not "great artistic writing", but my aim was to make a "social point". Tonight it's been dropping. I know there's a chance people won't like it and may vote it down for any number of reasons - but then, knowing about this "awareness" of how "sad stories" can be fiction, I can't help but wonder... I don't think I've ever noticed a Hub going steadily up and dropping so consistently in a short time. (Maybe I just haven't noticed, though.)
  
  There's a lot of reasons (that I can easily see) a lot of people wouldn't like it. Still, it just happens that it's a "sad story" type of thing; and I can't help but wonder. (Of all my Hubs only a relative few are this type.)
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  skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Tantrum is right, sock puppet can stay behind proxies and ip-changer programs. So it takes time to find out who they're if they're using ip-changer/ip-lock software. If there is any noob, then he/she'll use same IP for making comments/forum posts with multiple accounts. Pain in *brain* to waste time on them and yeah who cares about SP on forums ? But if they're making comments then it's another matter..
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  sometimes they're hurting people. They stalk.
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  skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  agree..
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  so sad and so true !
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  JeanMeriamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  think you're being stalked right now silly girl.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  How can I be stalked ? I'm not !
  Explain.
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  JeanMeriamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  get my back, OK
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nobody's getting my back. You can be sure of that. I took care of that one
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  JeanMeriamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Smart. I was fooled until last night.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  At least you're not fooled anymore.
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  JeanMeriamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Now I read the hub, LOL
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  cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  even with that, innocents still have some modicum of protection - The Hub Team. i don't know how to use proxy servers, but it seems to me ANY ORIGINATING IP ADDRESS could be detected eventually, no matter how hard people try to hide it. HubPages must have a sophisticated network that can see everyone's activity and can detect and protect itself against proxy servers. at least i hope so.
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mega1posted 14 years ago
I forget, how do you get the IP address?

and instead of "the only good sockpuppet is a dead sockpuppet"

how about

"a sockpuppet is, as a sockpuppet does!" :
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  A lot of ways. I can get them from FB as well !
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Stevennix2001posted 14 years ago
anyone care to guess who my alias is? lol.
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  JeanMeriamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Rumplestiltskin? paarsurrey?
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  mega1posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  evidently not, steven! hahahaha! the jokes on you! same as for me - no one could care whether I have an alter-ego - hahahaha! that is just so typical for us! and funny - there has to be a good short story there somewhere. hmmmmmmmm (wanders off, musing )
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I thought Steven was a sockpuppet himself !
  
  Someone said that on a hub of mine. Go figure ! LOL
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tantrumposted 14 years ago
It seems that on this thread anything goes !

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alternate poetposted 14 years ago
I have been here one day so far and apart from working on getting a hub going I posted in maybe 3 threads. a shill or troll attached itself to me almost immediately - looking through the threads it appears to be disrupting most of the politically slanted places. From those threads it would appear that this shill (I guess, as it is political threads it disrupts) has at least three immediately recognisable identities, maybe up to seven. Whilst there are good reasons for having more than one identity, as has been discussed earlier in this thread, this kind of behaviour only prevents discussion and any meaningful sharing of views and ideas.
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This from the guy with 0 hubs? Fishy...
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  alternate poetposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  One day and 0 hubs is fishy ? I see you have a whole seven in 3 months - I guess you will be the source of that fishy smell
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  Obscure Divineposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If Tina Turner was on this site, she would sing: "Oh, what's 'Hubs' got to do, got to do with it; what's 'Hubs'...but a second-hand emotion..."
  Ha-ha-ha!
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ...and still nothing...
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Al Teregoposted 14 years ago
Who really cares!!! MYOB
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  cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  if you have to ask, you've never been played by one
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cosetteposted 14 years ago
i recommend everyone go through their hubs and note everyone's IP adresses. i have been doing this and have found out a few sockpuppets and trolls this way. it has been very enlightening, i have to say. good thing i started saving the IP addresses of old hubbers who left. i started doing that when they left nasty comments on my hubs in disguise. even though their account got deleted, i still have their IP, so there
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  JeanMeriamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I may have messy hair, but I'm not a troll
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  mega1posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  you could sell that list to us and make money! hahaha!
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Checking IP addresses would be a lot better than the constant, "Tee-hee! He's really him and that one is really her!" nonsense.
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mega1posted 14 years ago
I guess I'm just too lazy to figure it all out. I looked at couple of my hubs and the comments' ip numbers were all different. and actually, I haven't been "bothered" by anyone - yet - other than Tantrum - who is always trying to get me to fight, for some reason! I may have been responding to some sock puppets and everyone knows and is laughing at me - but if they were interesting or funny sock puppets I don't care - I'll talk to anybody for a laugh or the info, or just for a little attention! : :
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  when I'm trying to get you on a fight ?
  
  You're always joking, ha ?
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  mega1posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ya. just joking. really. joking. not serious - no fighting!
  
  when I first started posting here Tantrum was one of first I met and I thought she was hard to understand - not really fighting but always pretending to misunderstand people - now I get the humor and it is very fun to try to catch Tantrum with her own kind of humor!
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mega1posted 14 years ago
tantrum - thanks - saw the comments. Perhaps I'm the new target for someone's entertainment? Have I been having too much fun? did I offend someone? did someone think I was stalking? how ridiculous! if you really are checking ip addresses then you know I'm not connected in any way to any of you guys! Now I am beginning to understand why I sensed a suspicious, slightly uptight, cliqueish mentality when I first joined the forums. It is understandable.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I just reply to your comment. I'm sorry mega. I hope the hubber lounn, will explain this publicly
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Stevennix2001posted 14 years ago
wow, didn't realize you guys had this thread still going. :Lol:
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Stevennix2001posted 14 years ago
well i know one thing for sure, IM A 100 PERCENT real, so i didn't appreciate that iounn guy implicating me in tantrums hub.
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  Faybe Bayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Don't worry. That was just a side effect of paranoia. I already defended you. I knew you weren't one of the aforementioned evil cyber stalkers, It sent an e-mail, and received a reply that you were not s "suspect" I don't know if Tantrum's here to tell you, so there you go.
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  Stevennix2001posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  that's good to know. i appreciate you sticking up for me faybe. i think i might've over reacted a bit. i just don't like false implications. it's one thing if it were true, but it's irritating if it's false without any proof. seriously, i don't care what the iounn guy says, i know he didn't read my children of men review. if he did, he would've known that the woman smoking was a metaphor for the planet and society the movie took place in. anyway, im sorry for ranting off like this. lol. thanks faybe for your support.
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  Faybe Bayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I thought Iounn was a girl, but I haven't read enough of the hubs, some comments I had though suggest that's a possibility. I am sorry that I have to avoid these forums, I miss you. I just avoid the place except to try to help people with questions.
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  Stevennix2001posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  thanks faybe. i miss talking to you too. to be honest, i only come here in forums in hopes of bumping into some of my friends on here like you and beth and many others. however, it seems like i hardly have time to visit here as often as i used to, and when i do i rarely see everyone. lol. oh well, i hope everyone is okay. how are you doing though lately faybe?
  
  eta: maybe iounn is a girl, idk. to be honest. lol. i just think he/she needs to get their facts straight before sighting false accusations towards others.
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  Faybe Bayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm good. I just had a long day, drove a friend to Kissimee for an appointment. Luckily now he doesn't go back until July! I left at 5:30 am, and here it is 2:00 am. I hate to go, but I have to sleep.
  
  Anyway, you can always drop me a line. I check my e-mail first thing every time I wake up (sometimes I wake up three times. I need to sleep. G'night Stevennix.
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  Stevennix2001posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  oh oky, well you have good night faybe (hugs) you take care, and thanks again for being such a great friend.
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  Faybe Bayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Night (((HUGS))).
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Lisa HWposted 14 years ago
When I first saw this thread the other night I was just thinking it was all about how funny it is (to some of us anyway) that people "talk to themselves" in the forums (and the rest of the sockpuppet stuff). I didn't know about the rest of the "associated issues" until last night or today.

Even though I come to the forums and write Hubs, I'm not "all in" on any e.mailing between Hubbers (and that type of thing), so I'm not "all up" on how a lot of things work.

Serious question for people who know more about this stuff (not necessarily the details of any events - I mean just how a lot of stuff works in general):

Does anyone think the sockpuppet thing could actually seriously affect the overall credibility on HubPages (especially for someone like me, who writes a lot about personal experience)? Other than the IP thing (and I don't even know anything about that, other than how it shows up on comments and what it is), are there things Hubbers can do if they want to make sure people know, without question, that they're "real"?

What I'm mainly asking is do we now have reason to have to worry about proving we're real (or this just yet another drama that will only have real impact on anyone closely involved with any sockpuppet situations)?
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  Faybe Bayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think as you've been here 2 years, the odds are slim you could be one. I think it's a non-issue. The real deal is this, if anyone bullies you, let HP know, that, I believe is the bottom line. Now that we are all aware of the situation, it should be fine.
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  Lisa HWposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Faybe, thanks. (I'm not one, by the way - although I do have another account not in use). I'm not asking for details on the bullying thing because I don't want to seem to be wanting to raise "unpleasantness" that may be better left alone; but I wasn't even aware that bullying (in whatever way anyone may bully) might go on. I guess at this point I'm just thinking most about whether people might not believe what I write if personal experience is involved. I suppose, when all is said and done, it may not matter if anyone believes it. Still, there's something very "personal" about personal experience.
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mega1posted 14 years ago
is there a rule against outing sock puppets? why can't you all who know who they are tell the rest of us? be fair, but be honest - if sock puppet people knew that others were going to reveal their dark secret, maybe they would at least tone it down a little. it might prevent more horror stories if you would just publish the list you have. or are horror stories and scandals what we need and want? just like Fox News!
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The main sockpuppets of a nut case, have different IPs. I told you before. They can be faked. I know it's true, because I did it to see if it worked. And it did. I got an IP from Oslo Norway. And I'm in Buenos Aires ,Argentina
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  mega1posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  so you can't actually say you suspect that so and so is really that one who left? well. ok, but then, why am I still talking about this? tee hee : with love, mega1disaster (I wish I could just add that to my hub name, I kinda like it!)
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  there are other ways to know who's who. Writing style, profile style, and through mistakes and lies they post in the forums. Someone who has a lot of alter egos, make mistakes all the time.
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  skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Plus many ISP's outside US/Uk don't show exact location(this applies to asia). For example, my location is shown 250km away from my city.So if you check IP with some free ip-location then it's definitely flawed for most of the geographical locations.So only way HP can take action against these people is via ISP. Atleast ISP information is shown accurately(less but still) duh...
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ralwusposted 14 years ago
mega, all I know for a certainty is that lounn, stevennix2001 and King Larry share the same IPs and allegedly match Kimberly's. I know nothing else
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Hokeyposted 14 years ago
Good morning everyone. Dont have time to talk. Spent my morning going through other sites I am on and clearing out someone who is basically stalking me. Billy Jean, Getmyback, Lyricsingray along with other names are all the same person on many sites. Pretty sick when you tell someone to leave you alone and they create false accounts and send you friend requests. Anyway someone will probably call this a personal attack but I dont care. So Kimberly when you read this I am telling you to leave me alone. I know your ip address and my cousin works for the feds in computer crime and this could be construed as harassment.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you got the Toronto IP, that's a fake one.
  that's why it's showing everywhere.
  a lot of hubbers knows about that IP
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  Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  mega1posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  hi hokey! how's things? is Kentucky good?
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well. why is her cousin a friend of yours in FB ? ! Weird ! LOL
  
  and I know that's a fake IP
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  She said it herself under one of her sock puppets. LOL
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  cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  THANK YOU Hokey. let's get it all out on the table, shall we.
  
  i also ignored her yet she stalked my hub and flagged it for deleltion, and when i continued to ignore her, she emailed me, harrasing me there and insulting me, mentioning my son as well, which i didn't appreciate. but she sank to a new low when she said that to Hokey. she will insinuate herself onto people until they give in. that is how she operates. to all you people who say 'oh, leave her alone' and 'oh, let's say no more about this', how CAN you leave it alone when she is still here spamming the site with one fake account after another and creating distrust among this site's members? if anyone wonders why people are so outraged, well if this whole thread doesn't clue you in, nothing will.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This is getting into *legal* territory. She may want to consider that... (The person of which you speak, I mean)
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Hokeyposted 14 years ago
By the way I have one other account created just for fun. Many people probably know it already. I am The Swamp Donkey.
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mega1posted 14 years ago
and we are giving her all the attention (negative, but exhaustive) that she could ever desire!
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  Norah Caseyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm going to close this thread now. While these statements are not technically personal attacks, they make the HubPages community seem like a clique rather than a group of intelligent people embracing diversity. We want the forums to be a friendly place for everyone, not just who is popular. Please be mindful of this in future threads on this, or similar topics.
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Daniel Carterposted 14 years ago
I do have one other account on HP. I did it to be able to write about some pretty bad crap as a way to help others who have also gone through similarly as me, (childhood abuse, and abuse by a religion), but as it turns out, it's more a blog than something suited for HP, so I'm thinking about closing it out entirely. I don't intend to say anything more about the other account because the information is potentially very hurtful to family and some friends. They, and I, have been through enough, but still, the truth needs to be told, and I chose to tell it this way.

So that's coming completely clean for me. The real news is that I need to close it out and blog about this under a pseudonym, and not keep it here. I'm working on that slowly. I have lots of irons in the fire.

However, for the record, I've only used the other account name to post in the forums about 3 or 4 times. I'm much too vocal about my feelings to not post what I believe under my real name, which is the one in my avatar.

What you read from me is who I am.
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