Hub needs "revision" due to a word?

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   LiamBeanposted 13 years ago

   I have an information hub called "Stemming the Problem of Premature Ejaculation." Apparently someone decided that I need to change the title because of the word "ejaculation."
   
   What is this?!
   
   I know some adults who don't know what that word means.
   
   Is someone offended? This is an information hub! It is not a sex education hub, a porno hub, or a joke hub. It contains information about how to prevent the problem and the science associated with the study of this problem.
   
   Is hub pages suddenly going to start banning hubs based on the title? By the way, the only word that is appropriate for the title is "ejaculation" because that's what the hub is about.
   
   For the sake of sanity could someone show some logic and touch of respect please?

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      jamesbrownbeteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I think the word "ejaculation" is one of the considered poison words for Adsense. Hubpages collaborates with Google Adsense. With those poison words, it will prevent normal ads from being shown. So, hubpages would definitely banned those words or article also.

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         LiamBeanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I just found another hub-pages article called "Premature Ejaculation Treatment" here on hubpages. Along with "Premature Ejaculation Info-2 Myths About Premature Ejaculation," "Premature Ejaculation Remedy-3 Tips To Remedy Premature Ejaculation," and "Premature Ejaculation Causes-What Really Causes Premature Ejaculation?."
         
         All are still there and all are written by different hubbers here on hub-pages.
         
         Of course this helps my mood not one bit.

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            jamesbrownbeteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            It's good to hear about it. So, just publish your article if you think you're on the right stand.

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            Jason Menayanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            My guess is that they were also probably flagged by the filter and they just haven't been taken down yet by the moderation team.
            
            Of course, other Hubs on PE might have also already been taken down, but you wouldn't see those since they're unpublished.
            
            And yes, the "oversensitivity" is at the behest of our ad partners.

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               LiamBeanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               > "We do not allow content about premature ejaculation, which would fall under "techniques" along with penis enlargement."
               
               This is the reply from the moderators. Apparently the moderators did not read the content since the hub is about a medical condition.
               
               The intent of the hub was to let men who suffer from this condition know about a solution currently in clinical trials. The internet is a perfect medium for this type of information because men are unlikely to discuss such a problem in an open forum. Regrettably, I will delete this hub.
               
               Additionally, due to the enormous waste of my valuable time in researching and writing this hub, I will publish all future medical breakthrough articles elsewhere.
               
               I do not intend to waste this much time in future only to have the work selectively banned for reasons that frankly make no sense. I will now have to seriously consider all future contributions to hub-pages as well.
               
               Finally, I find this action on the part of the moderators personally insulting.

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                  Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Liam, didn't you read any of the replies you got on this forum?  The moderators did read your Hub - whether it's serious or not is completely irrelevant.  Google doesn't like the word. 
                  
                  In fact, Google prohibits "sexual advice" whether serious or not.  We all, probably including the HubPages team, think that's stupid, but it's a fact of life.
                  
                  If HubPages were to lose Adsense, we would all lose our income.  That's why we have to follow Google's rules.  You have no reason to feel insulted, it's just the way it is.

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      Kind Regardsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I just did a quick Google search for "medical term for premature ejaculation," and from what I could tell, that is the medical term for it!  I had a feeling--because I work with medical titles quite a bit in my job--that you used the correct medical term.  So you're right on track.  It certainly doesn't seem like wording that would be used in porn because it's not something that is generally considered erotic!

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         bgamallposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I think the context the words are in should determine it for the advertisers. Perhaps Google could tweek the filter.

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            Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Maybe you should try talking to google

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               bgamallposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I will Marisa!

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                  bgamallposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Actually, I have driven by Google. But I don't think they know that. 

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      Pandoras Boxposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Try 'How to Stop C****** in Your Pants'. See if that works.

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         LiamBeanposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Go to any medical web-site and look up the phrase. It is a bona fide medical term for the condition.
         
         "C****** in your pants" however, is not.
         
         Now had you done any ACTUAL research I doubt you'd feel compelled to put your two cents in, but now that I've pointed out your error I hope you exercise a little more restraint in your misplaced criticism.

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   Cagsilposted 13 years ago

   Did you post the hub and then it was taken down? If so, then HubPages should have sent you an email on why?
   
   What rules violation did it break?
   
   Try to remember, HubPages rules on content stem from GOOGLE Adsense. Pretty much mimicking them.
   
   I do not see anything wrong with the word, but that's just me.

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      LiamBeanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Notification on a broad range of "policy violations" none of which actually apply. And the hub in question was published on November 11, 2009.
      
      As far as I know it broke no rules. It is not profanity, has no sexual content, does not promote lewd acts, does not have lewd language, does not promote sex toys or any of the alleged policy violations mentioned.
      
      I have a few other words I'd like to use to the person who flagged it.

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   Milla Mahnoposted 13 years ago

   Liam, I can help you with ejaculation

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      LiamBeanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

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         Milla Mahnoposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Say hi to your wife for me. And I mark you down as lacking sense of humor on my books

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            IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Like he cares!

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               Milla Mahnoposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Like I care, Izzy

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            LiamBeanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Whatever.

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   Shadesbreathposted 13 years ago

   Emission is often used in place of ejaculation.  You might try that and put the other as a tag. 
   
   Plus, if you change the title, your URL will still be the term you want. I imagine you might even get more traffic for hitting both words.

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      LiamBeanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      That's not really my issue. It's an information hub that's over six months old.

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         Shadesbreathposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I know. I was just trying to make a practical solution for an actual reality.
         
         I agree that it's not really an offensive word, but the Google Adsense policies don't really care about common sense per se.  It's about whatever they decide based on who's gonna complain and not advertise with them, and regardless of contradictory decisions elsewhere. It's their company, they can run it how they want. 
         
         Was just trying to help.

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            LiamBeanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I understand. I'm just quite angry about it.

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   IzzyMposted 13 years ago

   Look, the guy wrote a hub on something that would have MEDICALLY of been of interest to a lot of people.
   Ejaculation is not an offensive word. Preamture ejaculation may well be offensive to lot of people (well us women!), but this guy (if he is the one I have looked at before) has a lot of good info.
   Write to hubpages and ask them to reconsider.

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      LiamBeanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I might be. I report on a LOT of medical breakthroughs. The hub has not been one of my hot ones, but at least one hundred twenty six fellow hubbers have read it. Who wants to guess how many might have been men...with the problem.

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   Jason Menayanposted 13 years ago

   It was probably flagged because the topic is a "gray area" (i.e. most of the PE hubs published are not informative, but are spammy garbage). As we move towards better quality ads, advertisers are increasingly sensitive towards content that they think could damage their brands. That means that Hubs in this topical area can either be unpublished or have their ads turned off.
   
   You can resubmit this Hub and ask that it be republished, but the moderators might keep the ads turned off.

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      LiamBeanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Jason:
      
      Thanks for the reply. If you can look at it and suggest which words should be modified I'll do my best to make it "compliant."
      
      However, whoever flagged it obviously didn't read it.

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         Jason Menayanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I'll leave that up to the moderators. You can contact them and see what they advise.
         
         It's possible this entire topic area has been "poisoned" in the eyes of advertisers, so even truly informative Hubs like yours are verboten to them. It's a fine line, but one we have to tread carefully since it's our business we're talking about.
         
         BTW, the flagging was not done by a person. When you see a "warning" on a Hub, that means our automated filter has picked it up as a possible violation. If it's unpublished, it means a moderator has subsequently had a look and agreed with the filter.

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            LiamBeanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            As to the flagging. I must have misread the warning.
            
            I'll submit it to the moderators and see what they say.
            
            If it's that sensitive a topic I'll just deleted it.
            
            But as the article says this is a bigger problem, by a factor of two, than erectile dysfunction. The hub does not mention a brand since the solution is still in clinical trials so I doubt that's a problem.
            
            Sheesh. What a pain in the "you know what."

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      preyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Yes I am on my 4th re-submit for adult content on fashion hats
      
      it has delayed my series of 5, but google can work thatout
      
      question;  How many times does it take for you to kick it back, I've made all the revisions I can, until I am banned from HubPages as it states repeat content will be punished by
      
      Also an avatar.
      
      Will it be this time if I still cannot figure out adult content vs fashion
      
      Thanks Jason
      
      A little frustrated
      sorry for the tone
      
      It's kimberlyslyrics by the way

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   IzzyMposted 13 years ago

   I understand your anger. I have written a couple of hubs on male sexual health. It is something that a lot of men will look on the internet for help for, but won't discuss with anyone.
   I don't know which hub got flagged, but if it had some genuine info, maybe rename it? Use the words 'male sexual health' and tag it 'premature ejaculation'?

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      LiamBeanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks Izzy. I just asked for a review. We'll see what happens.
      
      I still don't understand why it's an issue six months after the fact.

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         IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I would hazard a guess that some bot or other that hubpages use picked up on it...come on you've been here long enough to know that things can remain published here a long time, that shouldn't be.
         I'm not sayng that yours shouldn't have been...but Jason has a point, that great God Google is in charge here, and we don't want to upset him. (even if he does suffer from premature ejaculation) Google I mean, not Jason, not that I would know LOL

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   DzyMsLizzyposted 12 years ago

   It matters NOT the reason, nor who is responsible.  The bottom line is, this is CENSORSHIP, and it is all around us, and it is just plain wrong!
   Has no one on the internet hear of Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press?  Online published content should fall under 'press' and at least under speech.
   The ongoing fact of MANY different websites and search engines believing they have the right to censor content infuriates me.
   It is not new to the internet--witness the 'bleeping-out' of cuss words, of the 'fuzzing' out of (horrors!  breasts) on TV, and you get the picture.
   Well, you don't get the full picture, because of this ongoing censorship.  It is absolute ummm...what's a polite and 'politcally correct' term for "BS"??
   When are we, as a people, going to stand up for our Constitutionally guaranteed rights to freedom of speech? 
   
   It is not the government's job to police what kids might or might not, should or should not see.  That is the parents' job.  It someone doesn't want their kid watching certain thing,s it is up to the parent to keep tabs on what said kid is up to.  Likewise with surfing the 'net.
   Remember--a governement big enough to give you everything, is also big enough to take it all away.  Keep up the good fight!  Let's ban censorship!

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      embitcaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press pertain to government regulation of speech only. Private companies have every right to limit speech. You have no constitutionally guaranteed rights to protection from private limitations on speech. This is not what the Bill of Rights protects you from.
      
      Also, the Constitution is US Law. The Internet is international. Stop acting like US law applies universally. It doesn't. No one outside the US gives a crap about our "constitutionally protected rights".

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         DzyMsLizzyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Well, no matter. Censorship of any kind, regardless of source, domain, country or other type of 'location'  stinks, and needs to be avoided and eliminated.  I intend to keep up the fight.

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      Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      DzyMsLizzy, you are missing the point. 
      
      - HubPages was set up as a place where writers can write articles to earn money. 
      
      - We earn money because Google places ads on our articles. 
      
      - Google has rules about what articles their advertisers find acceptable.
      
      If article writers repeatedly flout Google's requirements, Google will ban them from using Adsense and they will no longer be able to earn money.  If too many article writers on a particular site flout Google's requirements, Google could ban the whole site and everyone will lose, because the site would probably close down (since it can't make money).
      
      I think almost everyone agrees that Google's rules are sometimes nonsensical - but if you want to complain, complain to Google, not HubPages.

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         DzyMsLizzyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I see.   Well, 'whatever' then.   It was not made "obvious" that Hub Pages was 'for the purpose' of making money through ads.  ... especially since it is entirely possible to 'opt out' of having ads appear on your items, through UN-checking 'may be considered commercial' and then selecting 'none' for ads.  Which is exactly what I do.  I am not here to try and make money by having folks click ads.  I don't like ads.  I don't click them.  They get in my way and annoy me.  I was only looking for a venue in which to share my writing.
         I tried that "Ad Sense" NON-sense on my blog---big joke.   No one clicks often enough to matter, since you have to make $100 worth before gettng paid anything.  In over 2 months, I "made" a whole penny!  Whoop-dee-do!  Sorry, not impressed.  I took it off, because I believe in the 'Golden Rule'  e.g., I hate ads, so I won't subject my readers to them, either.
         
         I guess when all is said and done, I'd be better off just closing my Hub Pages account and opening up a new blog for my writing.  I really don't see much difference between Hub Pages and blogging, the truth be told.
         
         C'est la vie!

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            Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            As it says on the sign-in page:
            
            "Write content-rich, informative and topical articles on whatever topic areas that you know and love.
            
            Earn money through Google AdSense, Amazon and eBay ads. Many of our users are earning hundreds of dollars per month and some are even earning thousands."
            
            HubPages would not exist, if its owners could not earn an income by sharing the ad revenue we create.  It's very generous of HubPages to allow people like yourself, who do not contribute any income to their coffers, to use the site free of charge.  You should be grateful, not whinging.

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         LiamBeanposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         You might want to type "premature ejaculation" into the google search bar sometime and see how many google hosted ads pop up.
         
         You will likely be surprised.
         
         So, if the offending phrase above is reason for consternation here at hub-pages, it is most certainly NOT reason for google to ban the phrase as they are most certainly profiting from it.

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   Lisa HWposted 12 years ago

   Maybe some of those things haven't been pick up by the bots yet, or maybe whoever is advertising isn't paying much - whatever.  I don't think it's too much for HubPages to have a few off-limits things just stay well inside the bounds of any gray areas.  (The other day I actually "censored" (edited) a comment on one of my Hubs because someone used words I thought might be found offensive, but the person's comment was otherwise a valid opinion that I didn't think ought to be denied over two "bad" words.
   
   It's a business.  Nobody wants accounts closed over stuff like this.  If I ever write anything that someone asks me to change or remove I'll just figure, "Oh well, I don't own the site.  I'll post this thing somewhere else."  I mean - how important in any one Hubber's life is it that one particular Hub stay on this particular site?       There are lots of medical-perspective subjects that aren't going to fly on here or with Google.

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      LiamBeanposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Its moot now.
      
      Since the title of the hub-page was germane to the content of the article and the editors here had a problem with the word I deleted it.
      
      Unfortunately there is no substitute word that is less offensive. Worse, the term I used is the medical term, the only medical term, for this condition.
      
      I have not published a medical hub here since. Since publishing such content seems fraught with risk I will not publish them here any more.
      
      I have a blog that I can post such content in.
      
      As to "not flying with Google" I find that highly unlikely since Google posts many ads related to "controversial" words.

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         Norah Caseyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Hello LiamBean,
         
         Your hub was moderated because the content is not acceptable. This was explained to you in response to your email inquiry. I'll repost the response we sent you again in case it was not clear.
         
         "We do not allow content about premature ejaculation, which would fall under "techniques" along with penis enlargement."
         
         Please flag any content on premature ejaculation that you come across on HubPages.

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