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   lady luckposted 16 years ago

   to post a hub that ONLY has pictures of women bent over, showing their cleavage, with huge implants, etc. There is little to no text and I just find it tacky and degrading, I think hub pages was better than this.

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      protjackposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, it's ok.

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         weblogposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         It's ok as far as the HP admin doesn't feel the hub is substandard and/or the hub has copied content.

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            protjackposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            Which, obviously, he doesn't.

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   darksideposted 16 years ago

   HubPages IS better than this.
   
   However while HubPages can remove such content they are unable to preemptively prevent it.

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      lady luckposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      i only happened to see it because it was someone who i was a fan of, not anymore!! its not like naked women, but i really dont need to see women bent over in their thongs right in my face when I'm looking for something intelligent to read.

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   topstuffposted 16 years ago

   There are many picture galleries on hubpages from the best to the worst.

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      hassamposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      You are very right lady luck, I also hate these things as a writer here on hubpages,and I take a lot of care on whose fan club to join.

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   gamergirlposted 16 years ago

   Flag 'em as you find 'em, guys.  Eventually people will get a clue.  Unfortunately, this doesn't stop people from copy/pasting blurbs off of wikipedia and then attaching a huge section of pictures (in full size, making the screen look effing long) and calling it a "hub."  *cough* These hubs tend to get a lot of attention, and thusly make a lot of money, but are still around.  Gotta wonder how people like crazyhorsesghost do it.

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   Stoogeposted 16 years ago

   Wow.. some more people who feel the issue exist. It certainly makes me glad after the personal attacks I received for my hub on the issue. Unfortunately, we can't flag them, can we?
   
   Gamegirl, you had provided us with the definition of what is nude/adult. I agree that 98% of the gallery hubs dont break those hubs. Still, they are obcene and mess up things. Some of them are even tagged wrong (for example, a South Indian actress online gallery was tagged under music). People can flag these as misleading but not adult because of the way rules are chalked out.

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      Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      You didn't get a personal attack from me for bringing this up.
      
      You got a personal attack from me because you are a hypocrite producing substandard hubs from copied material and calling it "serious writing" and then publicly complaining that the "hot Indian chicks in their underwear" hubs are getting in the way of said "serious writing."
      
      Just flag the 2% of hubs that break the terms as being adult or nudity.
      
      That is what I do.
      
      And in the meantime, this is where you can find out what irony means:
      
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony
      
      

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         Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         Not too bright are you Jonno?
         
         There is a flagging and removal system in place to get rid of these substandard hubs that break the hubpages' TOS.
         
         What stooge is trying to do is get rid of those hubs that do not break the TOS, but he thinks should not be here.
         
         If you had taken the time to read his hubs and the other forum threads you would understand that.
         
         This thread is not a discussion on what everyone thinks is acceptable hubs content. That is clearly laid down in the "help" section..
         
         Try reading it.
         
         And while you are looking up irony:
         
         <snipped--inappropriate personal attack>

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   gamergirlposted 16 years ago

   Stooge - the majority of Indian movies I've seen also feature song and dance, musical routines.  This makes tagging an Indian actress under music a viable option.
   
   As for the obscenity factor, I have to respectfully disagree.  The implication of sexual allure is not obscene, if it were considered such then we would have far fewer fashion, music, television and radio advertisements.  An obscene gallery of photos would be ones which include penetration, revelation of "intimate" parts (nipples, full frontal nudity, etcetera) or thinly veiled sexual acts.

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   Stoogeposted 16 years ago

   

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   First_home_buyerposted 16 years ago

   wow. lots of barbs here. let's all just get back to writing.

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   greathubposted 16 years ago

   I can't understand why hubpages have got flagging system. Why don't they just "delete on sight"?
   
   They must have a lot of staff. Why don't they hire just one person whose job's sole puerpose would be to delete all the hubs that go against the policies of hubpages.com whether they are obscene or copied.

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    gamergirlposted 16 years ago

    They do not have a lot of staff.
    
    In fact, they DID hire someone to deal with moderating the site, our own expert star Hubber, Maddie Rudd.
    
    Flagging is an integral part of the moderation process, as there are far too many hubs for one person to check up on each day, and those who flag properly are actually helping keep the site running smoothly.

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    Mark Knowlesposted 16 years ago

    Stooge - you were the one that bought it up yet again:
    
    
    
    I can explain it again if you like:
    
    I did not attack you because you were bitching about the quality of other people's work.
    
    I suggested that if I chose to, I could complain about your work in the same fashion. And I found it funny that you were publicly complaining while at the same time turning out "serious work" of this nature which was substandard. (This is where the irony comes in.)
    
    You then defended that work.
    
    Then you said that I and others who made the same comment were correct and it was substandard.
    
    Then you said you would delete it.
    
    Then you did not delete it.
    
    Now you are saying that the hubber who asked you to list the top twenty most searched for terms on google for the 24th May still wants you to leave that up and you are doing so in deference to their request.
    
    Now you are back again on about the "personal attacks" you received and glad some one else feels the same way. lol
    
    You are a hypocrite and you do not understand irony when it slaps you in the face.
    
    And I am the one that needs to get over it LOL
    
    And no, I do not care who thinks I am being mean.
    
    Sometimes the truth hurts. That is not the same as mean.

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       Stoogeposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       You are free to think the way you like - isn't it? Can't really stop you there. If you think this whole thing is irony and I am a hypocrite, well, be my guest. I am happy that some hubbers feel exactly otherwise.

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       Jonno.Nortonposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       I was referring to the comment that started like this when I said he was the one bringing it up again. You're right though Misha, others did bring it up too. Oh and another quick edit haha, my point was that there are other venues that this issue can be discussed, and those two quoting each other was taking up a lot of space in this thread that didn't really need to be there. And after rereading comments at the beginning of this thread I must say, Lady Luck didn't bring it up, Stooge brought it up, and Mark was really out of line with his lengthy response to Stooge's mere mention of attacks he received on his hub. I really don't see how anyone is getting anything other than that out of this. I hate to be so lengthy on the topic, but really just read the comments again.
       
       And not to keep this thread sidetracked: Funktual, I have no idea why your hub score would change so drastically just from removing one picture. Is that all you did really?

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          Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          lol
          
          Why am I out of line?
          
          Did you even read all the other threads?
          
          DO I have to explain irony to you too?
          
          Let's get back on track.
          
          Which I believe is currently about you telling us what should and shouldn't be acceptable hub content.

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    Jonno.Nortonposted 16 years ago

    Hey Mark, whatever differences you have with Stooge can be settled outside this thread. You are trashing up a good discussion with your personal issues; nobody wants to hear about it, and you are the one who keeps bringing it back up. I wouldn't write this if that weren't the case, and I'd appreciate it if you two could edit your comments to not include all the garbage you quoted so that people just entering the conversation (myself included) don't have to skip over it to get to the real discussion. Leave the beef in private guys, for real.
    
    Back to the subject we are trying to discuss: I don't think it's cool that a site based around writing hubs that you feel you are an expert on allows that kind of content. I know it boosts numbers to have people who write like 30 hubs a day, but it doesn't increase the quality of the site. Not to mention  real people who stumble upon the site and see that could be misled into thinking this community is that kind of community, and that they have no place here. It could be discouraging to real writers who might join and be very good hubbers.

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       Mishaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       I don't agree to you Jonno
       If you came to the discussion late, take your time to understand all what is involved
       For the record, I think this has been brought back by Stooge. From a wider perspective, this has been brought back by Lady Luck who opened this thread

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          weblogposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          There has been enough discussion already went on in that hub by Stooge. I think Lady Luck started it again, here.

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    DJ Funktualposted 16 years ago

    Yeah,  weird stuff.  I actually took down one of the photos on my 100 Hottest Women hub because Maddie informed my that if you can see nipples through a shirt, it's a no go. 
    
    Subsequently that same hub which had a Hubscore of 96 yesterday has dropped like a brick since to a hubscore of 78.    Is it really because I took that racy photo out?   
    
    Also it has 195 views today alone.  How can something has good traffic drop so dramatically when I tried to adhere to the rules better?

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       Mishaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       I guess it would have dropped even deeper if you didn't

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       weblogposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Who among the visitors is going to know there is no such pic until he/she steps into the hub? And, also there are lot of people coming from sources other than HP, mostly thru search engines. I think the traffic drop is not because of what you said.

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    Jonno.Nortonposted 16 years ago

    I think it's ironic that you're the one saying "Let's get back on track" while you continue to derail this thread. Your post didn't add anything useful to the topic of discussion, and you haven't actually mentioned anything about how you feel about the topic we're trying to discuss here. You're being very rude. This is the last time I'm going to enter debate on the subject.
    
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29
    
    The thread is a discussion of what everyone thinks should be acceptable hub content, and I've already expressed my opinion, which agrees with the original post (I assume): I think hubs that contain ONLY pictures with little or no text should be flagged and removed. This a site for writers. There are other sites that allow that kind of thing, and people who want to create content like that should use those sites instead.

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       weblogposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Oh, are you the admin of this site? Can you point out where it is written so in HP terms?

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          protjackposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          DELETED ->> It is written in the very terms you accepted when you joined HubPages. <<- DELETED
          
          Deleted, thought you were quoting Mark and plainly I just misunderstood what you said

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             Mishaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             Link us, please, to the exact page that says Hubpages are for writers and only for wirters.

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             weblogposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             Not exactly, do you say that means there is no place for some text and more photos? It is nowhere mentioned this is exclusively for serious writers. if you still don't agree, go to faq section and read the explanations for WHAT IS A HUB?
             
             And, also Look at your own comments you have left in this thread.

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    Mishaposted 16 years ago

    Calling Mark a troll is not going to cut it Jonno, you need something much stronger to actually hurt him
    
    Try condescending vagina - I think it lost its novelty, but still could work

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    Stoogeposted 16 years ago

    Cut it out guys..
    
    This discussion has happened before with much agrression and we have seen that things always get dirty. Why do we want to ruin an atmosphere of sodality created by other hubbers (Sexy hubbers, poems on Misha and Mike etc)? Even if we dont agree with each other, even if there is 'irony' in what one says and does, why can't we bring it up in a respectful tone? Why do we have to take shots at each other everytime?
    
    Lets be good. This is a place for arguments, not wars.

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       Mishaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       I did not take shots. Yet.
       
       PS Maddie/Paul, looks like I was able to post after topic was closed. I think I had reply page open before topic was closed, and then it let me post - what it shouldn't. Also, right now I have edit option open on my last two posts.
       
       PPS I still can edit this

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    Maddie Ruudposted 16 years ago

    This thread is out of line.  What started as a genuine question about policy has degraded into personal attacks and the rehashing of an old argument on which the two sides will seemingly never see eye to eye.
    
    It's well and good for Hubbers to express their opinions on where they'd like to see HubPages go in the future, but these threads are rather more than heated discussions.  I call on Hubbers on both sides of the disagreement to exercise maturity and courtesy, should this subject arise again.
    
    Thread closed.

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