Amazon 50 words per product or ???

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   Marisa Wrightposted 13 years ago

   Can I just clarify how the Amazon flag works?
   
   When I use Amazon, I often use several capsules with only one product per capsule.  I do that, because I want the product to align with the relevant text.
   
   I noticed the warning says something about calculating how many products COULD be displayed in a capsule, not how many products ARE displayed.
   
   So tell me if I have this right:
   
   If I have 8 capsules, each with 1 product, on a 500-word Hub, I'm in compliance - but the warning system will calculate that at 8 capsules x 8 products each?

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   lrohnerposted 13 years ago

   If you select specific products, then one product in a capsule equals one product regardless of what the capsule display number is set to.
   
   If you use keywords to select your products and you have the capsule set to display eight products, it counts as eight products even if only two are displayed.
   
   From Paul: http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/69780?p … ost1523164

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   Marisa Wrightposted 13 years ago

   OK, so 8 capsules, each with one product, counts as 8 products IF I've selected a specific product.
   
   But 8 capsules, each with one product, but using keywords - that counts as 64 products.
   
   That's a bit annoying.  I prefer to use keywords because products do change, get discontinued etc and as you know, there's no way of knowing if you've got an empty Amazon capsule!

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      lrohnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Only if you set the display limit to eight. If you're using keywords and set the display limit in the capsule to one, then it only counts as one.  It's all about the display limit. If you've set the display limit to eight but only two products match the keyword, it still counts as eight because six more products could show up at any time.

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      ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      That is a lot of Amazon products though Marissa! 64 on a 500 word hubpage? I have some with over 30, but that does sound a little excessive. Although of course, you could keep the 64 products and write 3200 words

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         thisisoliposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I have had to reduce a lot of mine from around 46 products to 20, it's kind of crippling me but I guess we all have to play by the rules!

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            ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I wouldn't be surprised if it worked out beneficial, some people could be pressing 'back' when overwhelmed by products. Although that said, I do have a couple of overly-promotional hubpages which were rinsing out pre-slap.

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               thisisoliposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               These tend to be top ten hubs with 2 amazon products and two ebay products under each item with a few at the end.

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                  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Yeah the 'few at the end' thing is what is causing me to change mine.
                  
                  You could of course consider reducing to 1 amazon and 1 ebay per feature, or possibly even determine whether ebay or amazon are most likely to convert per hubpage, and drop one accordingly.
                  
                  I don't know how ebay works, but you could potentially increase your ebay click rate if you have some which are converting well with Amazon but poorly with eBay, and vice versa?

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                     Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Ryan, make sure there is enough text on the page to cover the "few at the end" as well.

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                        ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        I am removing most of them to be honest, or reducing them to the point that they get rid of the filter trip.
                        
                        I do believe that the changes being made by me will improve the reader experience somewhat, which has to be a positive.

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                           Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           But, my point Ryan is that if you have 6 products at the end of a hub, such as accessories...then to accommodate the rules applied to hubs, you would have to have at least 300 words additional for your other products, so it doesn't trip the filter.
                           
                           That's all.

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                              ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              I understand that Cagsil, not rocket science
                              
                              A 500 word hubpage = 10 products, simples, don't understand what else there is to get? I have been working on a fair bit for the past few days.
                              
                              There is a certain leniency though, I have been getting away with a couple more on some hubs.
                              
                              On some other hubs I have removed Amazon altogether, as they didn't benefit the reader at all.

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                                 Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 500 word hubpage written for only 6 products(primary sale) and 4 other accessory type products.

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                                    ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                    Yes, or 10 Amazon capsules in total
                                    
                                    Putting aside the fact that I have sometimes been allowed to get away with more.

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            Rochelle Frankposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Wow, that seems like a lot of products to me.  I have had, (at the most) 16 products on a hub. I went in and cut the number of products in any hub to about 6 or less.  Surprisingly, my Amazon earnings have suddenly jumped a lot in earnings-- but I suppose it could be just a coincidence.

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               sunforgedposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Its not a lot for the format he described.
               
               A top ten list with 2 products per capsule and a comparison between amazon and ebay.
               
               Its about the only way the format is actually a useful tool. As there will be a variety of prices among sellers on each platform and the ability to compare between ebay and amazon prices.

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         Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Ah but that's the point, Ryan.  I don't have 64 products.  I have 8 capsules BUT I'm only showing 1 product in each. 
         
         Unfortunately, because I'm using keywords, the Amazon filter counts my 8 products as 64.

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            sunforgedposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I use keywords. The counter seems to count products as products for me.
            
            From what I have read, if you are using keywords AND have undisplayed products, the counter will include those. If its set to 6 it counts as 6 even if the "keywords" only bring up 3 matching items.

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            ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Oh I see, so you just need to switch the capsules to choose the specific products then?

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               lakeerieartistsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               No, you don't have to switch the capsules to show specific products.  You just have to reduce the number of products the capsule is set to show. 
               
               You can use keywords and have it only show 1 product.  Just set the amount to 1.  I have been changing most of mine from 3 or 4 to 2 and it has been fine.  That way it will still continuously feed, but you have less.  If you have a capsule set to 4 products and only 1 shows up, it still counts as 4.
               
               The capsules used to default to 4, and then they started defaulting to 3, so if you used the default it will be too high most likely for the new rules.

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                  Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Ah, that's OK, then.
                  
                  I thought that if you used keywords, the capsule was automatically counted as being "full".  But it sounds like that's a misunderstanding.

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                     lakeerieartistsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Yes, I agree.  Unless I am writing about one specific product, I prefer to allow the capsule to feed continuously as products are deleted, etc. 

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   thisisoliposted 13 years ago

   I have the same issue, it is down to the limit, I have had to alter my ad placements/write more text on several hubs, and have a whole load more to go.
   
   By the way Marisa, Nice eyes

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      Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Aw shucks, Oli.  I always liked Darkside's original avatar with the eyes, and when I had this photo taken in belly dance costume, it struck me it was quite similar.  I like it because you can't see the wrinkles!!
      
      I was just thinking though - if you're in compliance even though the automated warning thinks otherwise, wouldn't the HubPages team manually let it through?

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         thisisoliposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         If you are in complaince the warning shouldnt appear any more.
         
         For example, say I had a hub with the following capsules
         
         4 x 1 ad amazon capsules
         4 x 1 ad ebay capsules
         4 x 2 ad amazon capsules
         
         That would leave me with 16 ad units,
         
         16 x 50 = 800 words, so in essence I would need to write 800 words for the hub to pass the new Hubpages standards.

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            wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Just a heads up here - when I was doing my own I found that by deleting one amazon product the warning disappeared even though the hub was still in violation and needed several more deleted.
            
            I assume that the warning would re-appear the next time HP looked at it, but never checked - just put the hub into compliance and went to the next one.

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         Rafiniposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Off topic, I know, but I like your new photo!

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   thisisoliposted 13 years ago

   This is me in my bollywood outfit
   
   

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      bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      You wish. It looks real.

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         thisisoliposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I assure you it is very real, you can tell because my wife is looking very pointedly over my shoulder

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            IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Is you wife the brunette? Wow! she is a doll!  You take good care of her!!

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               thisisoliposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               haha yeah that's her!

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      Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Ooh, missed this - very fetching

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      IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Hey Oli, with a body like that you won't be winning any Mr World contest soon!!
      You need to get off that comp and get down to the gym and build yersel' up lad!!

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         thisisoliposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I'm actually very muscular, it's just stretched out

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   Cagsilposted 13 years ago

   The most important part about the Amazon capsule is to make sure that it is specifically set for one product. If the capsule is set for three products, but you actually only have one product showing, you are penalized for the other two products that are not showing.
   
   Example: Setting- 8 products, requires 50 words per product the capsule is set for. Setting- 1 product, requires 50 words for that one product.
   
   If you have a capsule set for 5 products, but only write 200 words, then it will not be in compliance.
   
   
   Edit: that's how it was explained to Irohner from Paul.

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   lakeerieartistsposted 13 years ago

   For the layout I like to use a lot, I post different sales capsules for each subtype of product on a hub.  Sometimes I pair up the sales capsules.  In most of these hubs, I am reducing the amount of items per capsule instead of getting rid of capsules.  If I get rid of the capsules, it demolishes the way the hub is displayed and written.

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   sofsposted 13 years ago

   I had problem getting one hub to comply and now i figure that it is because of this issue ...though I have only two products displayed but it is set to show 8 products..
   
   thanks Irohner and other's this makes my job easy ... I will just switch to specific products

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   Spacey Graceyposted 13 years ago

   Even if I have put in a specific product, the counter is counting every capsule as 4 products, as that is the default setting, and is bringing up a warning on the hub, so I am very slowly having to update every hub, even a large number that do not have more than one product per 50 words - happy days.

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      wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Uh oh - maybe I better re-check mine.  I never thought to look at that, and I found the warning disappeared immediately if I took off one product even if I was over the limit by 10.  I just assumed the warning would come back later so went ahead and removed more products or added text to come into compliance.  Now you make me wonder if I'm still out!

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         IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Well, I've not had an issue with that, loads of my Amazon capsules aren't set to 1 which means they are at the default setting (isn't that 3?) but I have chosen one product and added it manually. The only issue I had was with Amazon capsules set to display a type of product not chosen by me - there might only have been one showing because the rest were out of stock or whatever.
         They all had to be set to 1 or 2, or got rid off altogether to comply with the new ruling.
         Or else, ones I had chosen that I had to reduce. Clicked to set to 1 only to find that the first one on the list was out of stock so that capsule became empty.
         Anyway, all done now...!!

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            lakeerieartistsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Izzy, if the default is set at 3, then the keyword choice is chosen by the hubber, that means it will show 3 if it can find 3.  That is why the system is counting that as 3 even if 3 don't show up any time.  When you pick the products individually, the default is overridden by your pick.

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               Spacey Graceyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               but i am finding that even with picked products that default setting is not over ridden.

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      Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Oh dear - that's exactly the problem I was having!  So sounds like we're not clear at all.
      
      I think we're agreed:  the warning system should check the potential number of items as set in the capsule header, not the actual number of items in the capsule.
      
      That way, 8 single-product capsules would count as 8 products. Whereas 8 three-product capsules would always count as 24, even if some displayed only one or two results.  That sounds fair to me.
      
      However I'm not at all sure it's doing that.  If it's not, and it's just counting each capsule as having 4 or 6 or 8 products regardless, then I don't think that's reasonable - and if that's forcing people to remove products wholesale to get rid of the warning, then is there a way it can be fixed?

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         lakeerieartistsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Marisa, it is working the way I said.  It counts what the capsule is set to take, the number that is set in the capsule.  Depending on when the hubs were written if you did not touch that, it is either 3 or 4, so even if you only have one product showing publicly, if you have it set so that 4 could show at any time, then it will count 4.  If you have it set so that only 1 will show no matter how many millions of matches there are on Amazon or Ebay, then it will count the 1.
         
         I have had to change lots of capsules from 4 to 2 or 1, but then the warning goes away.

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    Spacey Graceyposted 13 years ago

    Just to clarify i have checked this out on a few hubs and this is what happens: the hub shows a too many products warning even when the ratio is within the one product per 50 words. Each product is in its own capsule which is set at the default number of 3 or 4 (can't remember which) only one product is specified using the amazon code not keywords. If i change that default setting to 1 on all the capsules the warning is removed.
    
    This is not an issue with keyword capsules or on products that are out of stock.
    
    I have only noticed it on hubs where i have also had a first capsule warning so maybe it's just a glitch.
    
    Going to bed now and hoping i'll have a clue what to do about it in the morning.

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    Polly Cposted 13 years ago

    I have an account with product hubs, and have had a few warnings which I have corrected. However, one of my hubs has 46 products being displayed and is 1808 words long - yet no warning at all. Which is surely not right.

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    lakeerieartistsposted 13 years ago

    Well, if that is the case, then you need to change it then, too.

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       Spacey Graceyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       No chance - its gonna take too long. i'll wait and see if their unpublished. Too much randomness going on for me to spend hours on something that may or may not save my hubs.
       I'd be interested to hear if anyone has found the same glitch because its not happening on all my hubs. But happy to chance it and see how many i have left standing on march 26th.

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          Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I think that's a good strategy, Gracey.
          
          If you know the ratio of displayed products to text is in compliance, then leave it that way - and worry about it when the time comes.
          
          That's really why I posted this thread.  It would be a shame if people are removing more Amazon capsules than necessary just because there's a glitch with the warning on some Hubs.

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