Explanation of the Level Grade on Accolade Needed from STAFF.

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   Michael Willisposted 13 years ago

   OK, on the Commenter;leaving insightful and engaging comments Accolade there is a "grade/ranking level number.
   What does this mean and what is Good and what is bad!
   
   In other words..whose comments are insightful/engaging and who of us should just keep quiet? lol

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      WoodsmensPostposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Reading this http://hubpages.com/faq/#accolades
      
      I would have to say level I is low and level VII is the best. I'm a level IV which is an average commenter as well as tipper
      
      Simone Smith is a perfect example of a level VII

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         Michael Willisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I went and disabled my accolades publicly showing a little while ago. I don't need a popularity contest to write, engage or comment.

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         Simone Smithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         *simper simper*

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   Cagsilposted 13 years ago

   Hey Michael,
   
   The grading system either goes up or down depending on comments left on other hubs and possibly how often you do comment.
   
   I have reviewed several other accounts of some veteran members, and the grade level fluctuates between a Grade 5(V) to Grade 7(VII).
   
   Now, knowing what I know about myself, then I would think that the higher the number, is bad and the lower the number is better.
   
   I don't leave comments every day anymore and I'm not especially active in reading hubs, as of lately, yet my grade is 7(VII).
   
   I hope that helps some.

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      Michael Willisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I have seen sites where higher is good and on others that the lower number is good. lol
      I see this just as another number for Hubbers to worry over just like the hubkarma.
      How does this help HubPages as a writer's site? Are we becoming more a "social site"  now instead?
      I think I will just go and hide all accolades. They are not beneficial really to the writing.

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         Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Yeah, I know.
         I see it as another number that makes no difference, therefore no need to worry about it.
         Who knows? Who cares?
         HP is already partially a socialized site. The level of interaction is almost the same.
         
         Well, that's up to you.

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            Michael Willisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            True. Many times I will just read a hub and I don't comment unless I feel the comment is necessary or it may add to the hub. Not just to "add a comment for an accolade."
            If posting more in forums "earns" a better accolade score now, we will see an outrageous number of useless posts just to raise people's ranking instead of good discussions. Same could be said for hub commenting.

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               Lisa HWposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I'm had my times when I hide all the accolades because sometimes if "certain people" see a high number of views they see that as reason to steal some Hubs.   Then, too, I have times when I'm in my "withdrawing from the Internet" mood, and I make anything that can made private, private. 
               
               Sometimes, though, I get in a more practical mood/mode and think, "If somebody new wants to know what  'older' Hubbers do to get, say, a score of 90/96/100 - whatever;  the activities/"accolades" are there to show whatever ways the Hubber in question participates on the site.  People's Hubs are there.  Their activity is there.  It's all transparent to anyone who's interested in knowing what kind of stuff "whoever" does.
               
               Every so often someone comes on the forums and says something like, "You'll never do well if you write this kind of stuff," or "Nobody who writes x kind of stuff can earn." (or get high scores, or get high traffic - whatever).  The "accolades" let anyone who's interested in what anyone does see, for themselves, rather than believe some forum poster who may have drawn his own conclusions about one thing or another.  It may not be rampant, but over time I've seen quite a few misguided ideas being presented on the forums here, so I don't necessarily think transparency with who-does-what is a bad thing.
               
               There's nothing I, personally, have ever done on here (including coming to the forums) as a way of trying to get one score or another.  It's just not me to care about scores.  A lot of people do nothing unless they think it will get some score or accolade.  That's their business.  If someone posts a bunch of "insightful" or helpful comments somewhere on the site, even if he does it for his own "scoring" - who cares.  The comments are "insightful", which is what, I think, HP wants people to post.
               
               Useless, junk, meaningless, comments are something people have been doing for ages (with the idea of getting their name "out there"). I'm guessing that if outrageous numbers of people start posting two-word comments in "zillions" of places on the site, they probably won't get any "accolade" for it anyway.
               
               I just think it's all fine (sort of, anyway     ).  People post spam.  They post junk comments.  It's what goes on.  I don't worry about what other people do, or will do.  I just worry about what I do, which is basically just doing my own thing and trying not be spammy or "junky" whenever I post anything.
               
               I've never cared about scores or "accolades" (and I REALLY don't pay attention to HubKarma), but none of it bothers me either.  I can see how with a couple of hundred thousand Hubbers involved, scores and numbers could help sort out some stuff, besides adding to transparency.
               
               I don't know...   I kind of think the only people who may not quite have scores (and the like) in perspective on here would be new people, but I don't think it takes them long to figure out that scores and accolades aren't "the big thing" on here.

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            Michael Willisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Btw...how did the gun control hub turn out that was discussed in the forum a while back that I was engaging in?

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               Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I wrote it Michael, and I found it turned out well.

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   Michael Willisposted 13 years ago

   One can leave a thousand comments saying. "Good job" or "Great Hub" and that does not tell me the comment was insightful or engaging!
   If the accolade is about the number of comments made by the hubber, then it should be called just that. Not to mislead to think one makes better comments than others.
   
   Oh, well. I will continue to comment as I have anyways. I don't need accolades to respond to others in HP. I will read and comment when I feel the need/choose to and help others when I can.

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      ezhangposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Hey Michael,
      
      We've actually considered this possibility, and we made the decision to penalize short comments (in our calculations for this accolade). A hubber who writes nothing but short comments won't be eligible for this accolade.

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         Michael Willisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         That is a good decision.  And I will admit that I do Not see the need for ranking comments. How does that really help Hubpages? Or the writers?

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            Simone Smithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Michael-  the levels of the Accolade are designed to encourage people to actively contribute to the community, and one way to actively contribute is to leave meaningful comments and feedback.  It does help us (as Hubbers) when we get feedback on our work (at least it helps me, and I know it helps many of our fellow Hubbers), and if it helps writers, it helps HubPages

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               Michael Willisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I agree with you SImone that comments help. I don't see the need to show public Ranks of how people comment. And how the ranking Helps HP.

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                  Simone Smithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  That's why we've made it optional to display Accolades.  For those who are interested in them, having the opportunity to level up is fun.  I, for example, am motivated to comment more on others' work, because I want to be a Level 8 Great Commenter XD
                  This sort of thing helps HubPages because it encourages people to get involved.  The more we can do to provide positive feedback to people doing good things on the site, the better.

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                     Michael Willisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Why not then just set it up where we can choose "which accolade" to show? That way we that do not agree with the one that deal with rankings can not display those, but the others.

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                  Lisa HWposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  In spite of my long post above (that isn't entirely against accolades and scores), I have to say I'm pretty immune to efforts to encourage one thing or another on here.  All the scores in the world aren't going to get me to do what I don't plan to do.     (Just saying... )  But, I don't run a site like this (or this one); and those who do say that encouraging people to do one thing or another with numbers and accolades works - who am I to question it.     It's no skin off my nose if HP wants to add some scores and accolades.   
                  
                  I've seen, myself, how comments help; because I had Hubs that never would have earned what they did if it weren't for comments; and Hubs that wouldn't get the traffic they have if it were for comments, and my commenting back.

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   Michael Willisposted 13 years ago

   Since I can't seem to be able to add a Reply to Simone's reply.....
   
   Well, I am involved and cannot be here nearly as much as others. So, first x. But, I will keep doing what I am doing.
   I prefer not to get caught up in the public comparisons between hubbers with rankings, so I have disabled my accolades publicly. The accolades were fine with me before the rankings became part of them. No offence intended by that, just my point of view on the rankings.
   
   Thanks Simone and Ezhang for your responses.

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   LuisEGonzalezposted 13 years ago

   To be completely honest, in my humble opinion the only accolades should be the numbered ones, since they are based on numerical achievement. The other accolades are open to interpretation and can be confusing.
   As for me like many others, I just pay attention to the numbered accolades.

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