I had to edit one of my hubs because one of my links didn't relate

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  1. jfay2011 profile image59
    jfay2011posted 7 years ago

    I had to edit one of the hubs because one of my links was my Glorious Money Tree story and it didn't relate to my story. 
    I deleted the link and re submitted.

    It was a recipe hub.  My new hub I just submitted was a recipe hub but I also talked about my upcoming chapter for the story, so I have provided a link to that one.  That should be okay, right?

    1. MelissaBarrett profile image59
      MelissaBarrettposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Does your story have to do with the recipe you posted?  If not, then why would you WANT to post it (btw unrelated means "has nothing to do with")

    2. jfay2011 profile image59
      jfay2011posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Quite frankly, In my newest recipe hub I have also included information about the new chapter of my story so I feel I should be able to include the link to my story in this one because I talked about it.
      In the other hub, though I didn't talk about the story, so I did take the link out of that one.
      The story doesn't relate to recipes, but I decided to write about the story after I was done writing the recipe, so therefore should have the right to put the link into the story.

      1. MelissaBarrett profile image59
        MelissaBarrettposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        To illustrate the effect of obvious self-promotion, and I am going to be blunt here, almost every forum post I've read from you makes mention of your story.  Because I find myself irritated by that, I have actively avoided even going to your profile.  I wouldn't go to your recipe hubs either, mainly because I assume what you have admitted-that somehow you would work your story into other things you write.

        Your writing could be absolutely brilliant, I'll never know because you put me off from the first contact with you.  I don't like being "sold to" so obviously.  I'm sure I'm not alone in that.

        That really wasn't meant to be a personal attack, just blunt honesty.

        1. rmcrayne profile image95
          rmcrayneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Melissa, you are not alone. 

          Jfay, you have definitely captured my attention with your forum posts, but not in a good way.  IMO, your posts slap of self promotion.  In fact, with some of your threads, I’ve been surprised that other hubbers didn’t politely steer you right.  Does seem that those threads often die young however- a message of sorts. 

          Unlike Melissa, I became curious and took a look at a couple of your most recent recipe hubs last night.  But like Melissa, I pondered how to respond, and not be perceived by you as making a personal attack. 

          I found it bizarre that you launched into a personal story after a recipe.  Your “day from hell” has no place with your mother’s apple cake recipe.  It’s just weird.  I’m concerned that your personal stories, that have no relationship to your stated hub topic/title, are not good for the reputation of HubPages.  Even as stand-alone topics, seems your personal accounts would be better done as a personal blog.  I think HP has tried to steer away from purely personal stories with no tie-in that would be relevant for readers.  If it’s not something a few thousand or more people would type into a Google search…

    3. Marisa Wright profile image95
      Marisa Wrightposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      No.  If the Hub is mainly about recipes and you then add information and links on something totally unrelated, it's against HubPages TOS and will be unpublished.

      As others have said, it's not an effective tactic anyway and more likely to alienate than attract readers.  By all means write Hubs about subjects related to your story, then include a link.  But they do have to be related.

  2. wilderness profile image97
    wildernessposted 7 years ago

    I look at links like this: is the hub being linked to likely to be of interest to the reader?  If so, it should be OK, if not the it probably shouldn't be there.

    If I understand, you wrote a recipe hub, drawing readers that think that recipe might be interesting.  You then talk about another, story, hub.  The reader didn't come to hear about a money tree - they came to get a recipe.  The link would be questionable as it most likely isn't of any interest to the reader.  It may add a very small amount of google juice to the money tree hub, but the reader just doesn't care.

    Example: I wrote a hub about replacing an electrical wall receptacle - it is instructions on how to do the job.  I included a link to another hub that describes and gives Amazon links for a particular tool that makes electrical work safer and easier with the thought that the reader really should have this tool when replacing wall plugs.  It even works; I get quite a few views to the tool hub from within my subdomain (I linked to it from several other hubs on electrical work) and sell a few of the tools.

    Whether a link is pertinent to the hub where it is located is often a gray area.  HP may well allow the link, particularly if you can work it into the text, using keywords from the linked to hub, but is it of value to the reader?  Will readers ever use it?  If it isn't pertinent to the reason the reader is there in the first place (to get a recipe) I would say not.  It's all about reader satisfaction.

    1. MelissaBarrett profile image59
      MelissaBarrettposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I agree.  If I am looking for information on something, I think it is tacky at least and flat out annoying at most for the author to be promoting something completely unrelated.  It gives me a bad opinion of the author and I would likely actively avoid the unrelated stuff.  I certainly wouldn't backlink or repost either article on any social networks.

      The end part is of particular importance to me.  I get roughly 40% of my pageviews from facebook. I am so not going to risk offending the people who repost my hubs by doing gratuitous self-promotion.  In addition, organic backlinks (that would boost reader numbers AND google rank) come from human beings who like the article and throw a link up on their site or blog.  People who run those blogs and sites are particularly aware of blatant self-promotion and are not going to risk THEIR readers by linking to something that comes off as an advertisement.

      I don't go to Martha Stewart's website for horror stories and I don't go to Stephen Kings website for home decor tips.

  3. Lisa HW profile image61
    Lisa HWposted 7 years ago

    I think wildness offers a good overall guide on what to link or not link.  As someone who writes a mix of different kinds of Hubs, I find that when it comes to what links to add or not, I like to first assess what it is I think any reader may be expecting, or may like (or at least not find "off") when he gets to the Hub.  I try to be careful to treat everything I do with any one, individual, Hub on very much a case-by-case basis.  I don't doubt that I don't get it right; but I generally aim to always err on the side of caution and not add "borderline-purpose" links.  A borderline-purpose link to, say, an authoritative site is less borderline, though, than a borderline-purpose link to someone I've written (or even that someone else who doesn't write from an authority-perspective has written).  The kind of writing I do on here isn't usually writing aimed at the "authority approach" (at all) but I don't want to emphasize on one Hub some other Hub I've written that "waters down" or "weakens" the reader's impression of my aims as they apply to the subject of the Hub he's reading.

    It's pretty rare for me to link to my own stuff in my own stuff on here.  I figure, the profile is about about me.  Most of the Hubs are not (even if I'm "in them" by virtue of including personal experience).

    If people go to a recipe Hub (not that I write those) they're there for the recipe.  If they go to a "how to get a wine stain out of a tablecloth" Hub they only want to know about getting out the stain or how I did it - not that back-story about how I was writing another story and spilled wine while I was doing that.  If someone comes to a "coping with losing your parents" Hub, then maybe they'd be interested in another "losing your parents" Hub.  If the "coping with..." Hub was written from personal experience I may link another Hub (my own or someone else's) about something like "dealing with serious loss in general" or something that's written from a different angle than from the personal-experience angle.

    Other than that; for the most part, I keep links in my Hubs to either authoritative information (that offers more, and more expert, info on whatever I wrote about - even if I wrote from a personal-experience angle) or else to any Amazon ads that I think may be of use to the reader of that Hub.  (With a lot of the stuff I write Amazon ads are often confined to books about the subject.)

    There are ways to design our own profile that lets us say, "I write about x (and here's a link to that)" and I write about "z" (and here's a link to that).  The way I've always seen it, if a reader likes one Hub and wants to read more that I've written he'll go looking for what else I show on the profile.

    Even though my own approach is a matter of my personal preference, the more important thing is that Google doesn't want articles/Hubs that aren't about the reader getting something that's "about the reader and what what's good for the reader, rather than being about me and my writing".  I figure, what I may lose in terms of the slim possibility any reader would even click on a link (to something else I wrote and he didn't care about) may be made up for in an overall better impression of me and maybe the reader's deciding to go looking for what else I've written.  More importantly, not having "iffy" or "borderline" or "unacceptable" links in the "eyes" of Google means less risk of being "dumped" Google-traffic-wise.

    The one thing I've done a time or two, and involving the rare Hub that I've written for "entertainment-value" (to the reader) only; is that if I think the reader got to the Hub by looking for a story (rather than info, discussion, analysis, or even personal experience with one subject or another, etc.) then I may add a link to one other similar piece of creative writing.  On the rare time when I've done that it's been from the "if you like this story, maybe you'll like another one" kind of thinking.

    Right way or wrong way (sometimes none of us are completely sure), I think if I wrote a Hub about a recipe for a cake I'd keep anything other than recipe or something like where it came from, or why it's better than another recipe) out of it.  On the other hand, if I wrote a personal experience about how I made things easy for myself when I had my child's birthday party, I might throw the recipe that made making the cake (or something else) particularly easy.  In that case, though, the main purpose of the Hub would be "potentially useful personal-experience with birthday parties Hub".  If the Hub was a creative-writing piece (entertainment-for-the-reader) only, I'd probably leave out the cake recipe because the reader would be there (presumably) looking for reading/entertainment - not cake recipes.  (Although I think the cake-recipe example in this case isn't as inappropriate a use of linking as some types of inappropriate linking are.)

    1. mary615 profile image92
      mary615posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Question:  If you write  a Hub on how to make a pie, but you don't include a recipe for a crust (cause you've already done a Hub about the crust), is it OK to link to the crust recipe I published???  I'm ready to hit the "publish" button, but I'll wait for your answer, anyone???

      1. IzzyM profile image89
        IzzyMposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        More than link just the two together, where you mention the crust in your recipe, which is an essential part of the pie making process, I would highlight the word 'make crust' or words to that effect, and make a hyperlink directly back to your pie crust recipe. This is the most powerful kind of link, and yes the two are directly related.
        In case the reader misses that link, add another link at the bottom if you wish too.

        1. mary615 profile image92
          mary615posted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Many thanks, IzzyM. I'll do that.....


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