Making Money With Hubpages

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   riverofartposted 11 years ago

   So, I have been on HubPages for just over week and a half and posted five hubs. I signed up to Ad sense with the intention of making money. Now I'm not looking to make billions, just a couples of pennies at this moment would make me smile. But I have nothing. I went on to my earnings page and  saw that Ad sense was active but Ad program wasn't. I clicked on Ad Program configure and they asked to give my tax information... I'm 15. (I'm using this account under the permission of 18+) Do i only earn money, even a few pennies, If i give Tax information. I can't give tax information because my elders are pessimistic about that kind of stuff. HELP!
   
   P.s. Just to clear up, this account belongs to an over 18. I just write along

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      Randy Godwinposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry, you are too young to publish here.  Against the TOS for you to be a member or an affiliate if I'm not mistaken. 
      
                                                   

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         riverofartposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Technically it's the account of an over 18's. I'm just writing under there permission.

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         riverofartposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Thank's though. If I didn't think this through, you would have been a lot of help!

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      Hyphenbirdposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      One must be 18 to create a HubPages account. I checked the TOS myself and found this. Your desire to write and make money is admirable, but breaking the rules is not a good way to start. Be patient and build a portfolio and when you are 18, you will have many articles to publish.
      ["3. PERMITTED USES
      .....Only adults (18 years and over) may register for an Author account....]

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         riverofartposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks for the heads up! This is the account of an over 18's but I just write along

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            Hyphenbirdposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Well, the problem with that is the person who's account you are using will be the legal owner of the Hubs. If they decide to keep them and use them, you will not have recourse. I think it opens a door to many issues and potential trouble.

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               riverofartposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Ah! That's alright. The legal owner is my sister. Your concern is much appreciated.
               If you have any answer to the initial question, please let me know. Thank you.

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            Randy Godwinposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Not sure how your particular case is considered by HP.  I still don't understand their reasoning for how they allow the things they do here after being here over 3 years.  I assume someone from staff will contact you and give you the low down on whether you can publish here or not. 
            
            I suspect whoever officially owns your account will now lose it as I don't believe they are supposed to allow anyone underage to use it.  Otherwise, what good is it to prohibit minors from publishing here if they simply get an adult to circumvent the rules. 
            
            There are sites which will allow minors to participate, but this is not one of them.  Try again in 3 years.  Sorry! 
            
            
            
                                                       

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               riverofartposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               O well. Although this account is actual owned by an over 18, if I am unable to write here then I won't. I don't won't to break any rules. I just thought, when I saw this site, that it may be a good opportunity for me. My sister was willing to help and so made the account.

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                  Randy Godwinposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  You gave your real age in your post.  Fatal mistake!  Live and learn.  Good luck!
                  
                  
                                                         

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                     riverofartposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Haha. Good point! But I'm not afraid to say I'm actually 15. And if HP doesn't want me to write here, I will leave respectively. Until then...I shall write

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               ngurecoposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               You will need to ask your guardian to provide the tax information.
               
               And one must be over 18 to have an adsense account.

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                  riverofartposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Thank you. And, the Ad sense account doesn't belong to me but to an over 18

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   Hyphenbirdposted 11 years ago

   Your sister would have to sign up for the Adsense and HP Ad program, then give you the money, especially since she is connected to the HP account. I can not think of any other options. Sorry

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      riverofartposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I must say:
      1) Thank you for your answer
      2) No apologies needed. You are only trying to help.

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   Nouveau Skepticposted 11 years ago

   Then that 18+ person needs to give you their Tax number and have the income declared as their income.
   
   But you are still probably breaking hub rules, the names account owner has to assert the work is their work, and in this case that would be untrue.

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      Randy Godwinposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, technically breaking the rules is the point.  I'm sure there are probably some such accounts on here where this happens, but I suppose HP's TOS serves as a disclaimer in the event an underage writer gets ripped off by the adult legally owning the account.
      
      I'm quite sure it has nothing to do with the quality of the minor's writing, for that matter.  It couldn't be much worse than what is allowed on here every day by new adult authors. 
      
                                             

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   Rik Ravadoposted 11 years ago

   Unfortunately the OP is now banned by HubPages

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      Greekgeekposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Ouch. Well, the kids will learn. I hope they see the suggestion to start writing stuff now, for fun and for practice, so that upon turning 18, they'll have a body of stuff all saved up they can immediately use to start making money! It sounds like a long time to wait, but then one doesn't really start making money until one has 50 to 100 articles anyway.
      
      (Frankly, I'd love to see a site where teenagers can earn money through their writing as a sort of part-time job, and I hate making them wait until 18, but for legal reasons I think that's true most places.)

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         Randy Godwinposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I agree.  They need a site which their parents can oversee and handle for them.  Of course, there's probably some on here already.  There have been quite a few who--like this OP--tell on themselves on the forums.  So obviously there are some who know better.
         
         There's no way HP can tell how old they are otherwise if their parents or some other adult handles the affiliates and tax info. 
         
         
                                                

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         Dale Hydeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         The legal reasons are for child protection. You have trolls and worse that frequent all sites looking for minors.
         
         http://www.ftc.gov/ogc/coppa1.htm
         
         There are sites that do allow minors to publish, and I own one of them, however, I require the consent of an elder before allowing such.
         
         I host chats as well on one of my forums, once again, the Children's Online Privacy Protection laws come into play. You can not enter my chat without the consent of your parent or guardian.
         
         All of that said and done, if the OP is 15, then three years of writing and saving would give a person a great head start to start making coinage, as I call it, with the written material, upon reaching the legal age.

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            Randy Godwinposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Heck, I'd like to know what type of article to write 3 months from now, much less 3 years into the future, Dale!    Trying to figure out what sort of articles would be in vogue that far into the future would be a good trick, especially the way things are going lately.
            
            Kudos on giving younger writers a place to express themselves, Dale.  I hope it's a success for both them and you! 
            
                                                   

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               Dale Hydeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Thanks Randy. I offer a place for those "minors" of Pagan Paths to express themselves with the proper consent.
               
               As for writing for the future, well any type of research material would work. I have stuff up on my main website this is well over 30 years old, published online for eight years or so, and getting views.
               
               Maybe trying to write about "trends" would not be the key, but articles about your experiences and life in general will always be open.
               
               Just my random thoughts as I pop in from time to time in between taking care of my little ones.... the breeding of sugar gliders, lol, well over 1200 at last count.

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   SmartAndFunposted 11 years ago

   Well if the 15yo rejoins in 3 years, I hope he/she chooses a name other than river-o-fart.

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   Arlene V. Pomaposted 11 years ago

   Live and learn.  When you ignore advice and wisdom like you just did, go ahead and jump that cliff.  And then see what happens.  See ya in three years.

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   Rochelle Frankposted 11 years ago

   The rules apply even if you are using someone else's identity. I'm sure there are some 15 yr olds who are actually capable of writing hubs, but they are not allowed to and not allowed to earn  under the structure that is set up.
   If you are 15 and someone over 18 allows you to use their driver's license, you are still in trouble. If you are 15 and someone over over 18 or 21 buys cigarettes or alcohol for you, both of you are in trouble. Them's the rules.

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   IzzyMposted 11 years ago

   I'm sure there was someone here not so long ago who asked if their daughter or son (underage) could write hubs under adult supervision on an adult account, and the consensus was yes. If the name of the account holder was adult, and the adsense account was adult, then no rules were broken, as who would really know that the actual writer was 15?
   
   I guess coming to the forums was a fatal mistake for this hubber, which is a shame if they showed potential.

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   IzzyMposted 11 years ago

   Having thought about it a bit longer, if anyone here is writing under an adult name, for an adult, then they had better keep quiet about it.
   
   Forums are open to the public, to search engines and more importantly, to Google itself.
   
   HP cannot be seen to be condoning under-age hubbers as that would put their Adsense account at risk, and of course if the site were to lose it's Adsense account, so would we.
   
   And riverofart, choose a better username next time!

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      Randy Godwinposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Agree, of course.  But they can't do much about it if they don't know there's someone underage publishing here.  I suppose illiterate adults are okay though!. 
      
                                         

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         IzzyMposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Tell me about it!
         
         I get totally scunnered to see hubs out-ranking mine when the author obviously can't spell, is grammatically incorrect, and doesn't know what he is talking about, and is producing what I would consider to be substandard hubs.
         
         The move to subdomains was supposed to separate the wheat from the chaff, but isn't working too well.

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            Randy Godwinposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            It seems so.  So far all of the predicted improvements from TPTB have not happened.  Perhaps if we fired the present staff and got some new and improved ones? 
            
            I'll bet they aren't working on a commission basis, at any rate!   
            
            
                                                       

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