Have You Reached Enlightenment?

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marinealways24posted 13 years ago
Do You believe you have reached enlightenment? Yes or No, please explain why.
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  not yet
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why do you say not yet?
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes,gained enlightenment in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean at the age of twenty four while practicing one pointed concentration.
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  TrinaLynneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think you can ever reach full enlightenment. You learn something new everyday unless you live all by yourself in the wilderness with no electricity and such....lol. But honestly I have reached it when it comes to some things, others I'm not so sure about. And I don't know what tomorrow will bring.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you. Once someone thinks they know everything is the moment they stop learning.
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  TrinaLynneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Very true. Also, that type of person is not open to other opinions and experiences.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree also. You are stating the obvious. You must use logic!!! lol good stuff
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  Writer Riderposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes.
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  countrywomenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  NO, I am no where even close to enlightenment. I have yet to overcome anger, envy and greed. More ever I have yet to develop compassion, humility and tolerance to a higher level that I feel an enlightened person exemplifies. I may not even achieve it in this life time. And all I can do is to try to improve a little everyday if not improve at least not fall down any further. I guess I should stop now. Maybe the weekend mood is kicking in.
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  usmanali81posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Dear CW,
  
  Yes, you can not achieve the ultimate enlightenment unless you read scriptures specially Qur'an and implement it on yourself. for instance, the anger which you mentioned can not be managed only untill you read the Hadith (tradition) of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) whose theme is that "if you get angry and you can not control yourself then sit down and drink a glass of cold water with 3 pauses, even after doing this, you are unable to controll yourself then lay down on the ground or bed, this will reduce your anger finally."
  
  Also, with due respect, take care while achieving higher levels of tolerance because these Freemasons and Humanists want every women to be so tolerable, she could not even say ooffff while being harassed / molested / raped again and again.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So how did Muhammad or Jesus gain enlightenment without reading the Quran.Muhammad couldn't read anything forget the scriptures.Have you heard of the word meditation?
  
  I never read the Quran before enlightenment, I read it after that.Your philosophy is warped.
  Do you know what enlightenment is? What are your qualifications? Who are you to teach on god when you don't know god for yourself.?
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  usmanali81posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Muhammad (peace be upon him) could not read but he was able to HEAR
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  From which source did he hear? Maybe Christians or Hindus as to how to connect with god an about meditation or was it the Parsees? Does this source become more important than the Quran?
  So one doesn't have to read to get enlightened.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Yes, you can not achieve the ultimate enlightenment unless you read scriptures specially Qur'an and implement it on yourself."
  
  BS, this is your belief of enlightenment, your belief is not the only way. My enlightenment has nothing to do with a quran. Enlightenment is found more in oneself, not in religious teachings.
  
  These statements are not from an enlightened individual in my logic.
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  Davinagirl3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have had an experience, while meditating, that I believe to be nearly unattainable. It was just for an instant, and at the time, it was like being in the presence of God. I was so deep in my subconscience, I felt a white light so intense, it was amazing. It was only for an instant, though, then it all slipped back and I slid back to my earthly self. That was about 10 years ago and I have not had an experience like it again... not sober, anyway.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Enlightenment is in Light, I believe you.
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  anjalichughposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I would like to see who says 'YES' to your question.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have anjali , go back and read about it.
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  you look genuine in your picture, respect your look
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks chakra I am not playing games.
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  it was from my heart
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks once again ,your heart is pure.
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  same as you
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  sunshine riversposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I have. I am aware of being in the power of now, that God lives within me, has no respect of persons, that prayer is powerful, sincere prayers will be answered, intuition is God whispering to me, that blessings are abundant in my life, and miracles do happen and have. I have been enlightened! I know that if I believe I will conceive, that God and Love are one of the same, thus Love exist within me and I am LOVE!
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank You for posting.
  
  I think we may have a different idea of enlightenment, none the less, I appreciate your perspective. I believe when God is mentioned with enlightenment, it is confusing because every individual can have a different idea of God as well of enlightenment. So instead of focusing on one idea, an entire different topic is thrown in the mix when using God. Again, I am not content on belief that one has to believe in a God to reach enlightenment or become enlightened. Thank You
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  mohitmisraposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Enlightenment is connecting with god, in Light- god is the light.
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  Maddie Ruudposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thread shut down. Too many flagged posts. Geez, couldn't you guys have behaved while I was on vacay?
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DennisBarkerposted 13 years ago
yes and no,
I know thats a cop out but enlightenment in which situation?
I've re-lived a few and am experiencing many for the first time....
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Maddie Ruudposted 13 years ago
Enlightenment is like perfection--unattainable (and therefore effectively nonexistant), but still worthwhile as a concept, as something to strive for.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I do not think Enlightenment as perfection.
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  Maddie Ruudposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I said it is LIKE perfection in that it is not an absolute, not a solid thing, just a useful concept.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  In your words, can you give me your definition of enlightenment? Thanks
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  you can define it as you have started a journey
  you got through the gate i guess
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  tksenseiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  'What is enlightenment' was the most popular question during The Enlightenment.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If I say everything I believe, what would be the point of the forum? I want to know what others believe. I want others individual idea of what they think enlightenment is.
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  yes your are till you attached to the world life
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  it can be define as a journey too
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It is attainable and a fact of life.Your answer is like saying Jesus, Buddha,Guru Nanak etc were not enlightened as its not possible.
  Enlightenment is in light- one with the source or god,your source.
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  it is we the origin we forgot, enlighthment is just knowing the forgotten which is US. and you dont need to wait till the world end.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes its going back to the source, becoming the source or god the Light,an experience.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Its more like understanding your perfection.This universe and everything in it is in perfection at all times.
  
  "Knowing you are perfect ,
  I still curse you with disrespect."
  
  When I am pissed of with god.
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  it is a very untruth saying that " no one perfect in this universe "
  
  Each of us perfect, when you begin to feel the truth(God)
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank You for your perspective. However, we are not all perfect. Look at children who are born with deformities who are born with no chance to succeed in life. Did God make them perfect? Please explain how you believe God made everyone perfect?
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  what do you mean by succeed in life when there awaits a FULL STOP at the corner,kindly explain on your understanding on success. and are you saying, who born with deformities is not perfect complete to us? is that because sympathy.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hello, Yes I have much sympathy for the innocent whom are born with defects. They will constantly be looked down on in our judgemental society. They will be tested 100 times more in life than you or I will ever know. I believe they will never have a fair chance in life to live without being judged on their defect by our society.
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  think deeply is that so difficult to give them fair chance? yes it is, you know why because we all self centred, nothing will change that
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you partly. I will also say that if you give up on hope to succeed, you will set yourself to fail. It has to begin somewhere.
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  . firstly i wish humans to understand that each of us self centred, not just humans with parasit character, humans with mutualism and commensalism too.you and me. when we starts to understand it clearly and WHY we are being so, BLAMING OTHERS can be reduced and peace can be attain on earth.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Your sympathy doesn't change the perfection.I also feel for them but I understand the perfection of god.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You say you understand the perfection of God? You say the human mind is incapable to understand God. Do you not have a human mind?
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  sorry if i awaken your EGO, understanding and realising or feeling is to different think, we all understand GOD, but without the realisation, we are going no where, when you are happy you can make my mind understand it but the feelings wont be the same, i cant feel the exact way you feel. that is why too much of differences
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have been one with god and understand he has no beginning and no end , is beyond time and is the supreme intelligence governing all.As a human I don't understand how he has put all this together, billions of years of planning with everything connected to the minutest details.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Knowing you are perfect,
  I still curse you with disrespect."
  
  Talking about god when I am pissed of with him or confused as to why?
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You say you don't understand how he has put all this together? Wouldn't that come with your idea of enlightenment?
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Most around me live in a trance,
  Having no idea of your cosmic dance."
  
  "We are connected together as the human species.
  Deeper than that blood relationship and friendship.
  Deeper the light, love, super intelligent, super entity
  What we term as God." from "Ponder awhile"
  
  My thoughts materialize .
  
  "How are you creating is what I want to know,
  That is the only way I can grow."
  
  Still don't have all knowledge.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Everything is perfection as everything is god.Its a master plan beyond the human understanding.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes we are all in absolute perfection and don't know it.
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  John W. Watsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I like your answer to the question. As someone who studies the Buddhist/Hindu writings, reaching enlightenment takes several lifetimes. I can say from my short time channeling, that I have gained greater mental clarity, but enlightenment? No. I have studied Buddhism, but I'm no Buddha.
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You are BUDDHA,
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  True everyone is or will be.Like Guru Nanak says " everyone is or will be a master."
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DennisBarkerposted 13 years ago
I consider enlightenment to be understanding of context and history.I have this in somealthough I am adding experience situations and not in others
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lxxyposted 13 years ago
The moment you feel you know everything, you've lost the reason behind it all.
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  do you mean no questions left and only answer remain
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  lxxyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How can there ever be one answer? Isn't it different for everyone?
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  that is the miracle, humans being wrong till they realise we all ONE that can't be separated,
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Enlightenment is not the end of knowledge.
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  it is the end of the false and confusions
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The last stage is omniscience or all knowledge.
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My Inner Jewposted 13 years ago
yes i have reached enlightenment...i can definitely touch the light bulbs above my head...
but to answer your question, no. Can anyone? Maybe to certain extents, but i don't think anyone can reach true enlightenment till the world to come. In Jewish theology, rabbi's believe that in the life after this one is where we will receive enlightenments and learn about the mysteries of the universe.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There are two stages what in Hindu philosophy is term as samadhi and maha smadhi. Samadhi is dying becoming one with god-the light and then coming back alive-enlightenment.Maha smadhi is total death where one doesn't come back at all unless for a higher purpose like the prophets .
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  usmanali81posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  lol
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Beth100posted 13 years ago
Enlightenment is the enlightening of one....okay, which, when interpretted loosely, can mean that one has come to full awareness of oneself by comprehending all the problems involved without any ignorance or misinformation. In addition, one has attained a level of awareness that is absent of suffering and desire.

Yes, I am enlightened, but no, I have not attained enlightenment though I am walking on this path.
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Moonchild60posted 13 years ago
Enlightenment is certainly not all the answers to lifes questions. It is not the ability to accept and understand that which would make another person angry, irrational, sullen, disappointed, irritated, etc... Spritually enlightened people do not become perfect. They find the enlightenment on the journey of the self. The enlightenment is a path you walk in your every day life. When you come to the man who has stepped in front of you in line and on your nicely polished alligator shoe you say "Excuse me my friend, you have stepped on my shoe" to which he would usually reply "oh sorry". There is no need to point out that he stepped in front of you at the same time. You both know this, but you are enlightened enough to know that this is unimportant. You smile as he leaves and feel no anger toward him. this is an example of being enlightened. A friend tells you you made them angry by certain behavior. You listen carefully and then think about it, was this in fact a behavior I displayed and If I did, why? Questioning yourself and not attacking your friend for the feelings she had the right to have. Now it can be discussed with compassion and care. Enlightenment is a never ending journey to the core of the self. philosophy, the self, Krishnamurti, these journeys, are all to bring us into awareness of who we are and our place in this world. And just when we think perhaps, maybe...it could be close....there is more.. always more. I think everyone who does this however, is on their path to enlightenment. And will eventually find it one day. Someplace. But it is the journey that holds the most excitement. The destination would be a sad place where everything else has already happened.
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lxxyposted 13 years ago
I can't speak about it in any other way besides as just above.

I concur. An open heart, a free mind, lots of hugs--and a willingness to try something new.

Enlightenment is realizing that we're only here to be children of exploration and play.
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Eaglekiwiposted 13 years ago
Like Happiness
Enlightenment is a state of mind ,and not a destination ( my opinion)
My answer has to be No...
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do you believe happiness has to be acheived for enlightenment to be acheived?
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, but I think enlightenment is not ever complete ,like it continues all of our lives...
  I can be enlightened about say a certain culture ,but that is like one small drop in a large ocean ,so to speak.
  So I can be unhappy,( emotions change) but still become enlightened.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If it counts for anything, I think you have reached enlightenment. I also agree that enlightenment is a constant journey and there is something new to be learned each day.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It counts Marine ,all things are relevant, but why do you say that? how did you draw these conclusions..
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well, I am just making an assumption. I will try to explain why I think this. You have wise words, mature writing. You have no "ego" or "arrogance" in your writing. I believe you understand true individualism and you have full self-awareness at all times. I also see that you are a "free thinker" and that you are open to others perspectives, yet not influenced. Being open to others perspectives, I believe true logic can be found.You also recognize "the constant journey" and understand that you know little to nothing of lifes true unknowns. I also believe you to be very humble to fully think of anothers perspective.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Enlightened about some knowledge is not what we are talking about.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps youd like to enlighten me then? lol
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Enlightenment is in light-God. The source from where we have all come and will eventually go back to.Like Jesus says on must be reborn- this is literal , one needs to die , go back home- to god, understand that you are god.
  Its termed satori in Japanese, samadhi in Hinduism ad is a state of being one with god, also termed as revelation.
  
  "You are made of such fine light, love tissue,
  No beginning, no end an ageless issue."
  
  My job is to help and I will be happy to answer any more of your questions.By helping you I am helping god.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh ok ,you were meaning spiritual enlightment then, I was speaking enlightenment in a more general defination.
  Jesus does say ,we must be born again ,for we have been all born once , then die to ourselves ( here on earth),put to death daily our fleshly desires and become reborn 'spiritually' or of spirit,(Holy Spirit) here ,right now,when we first heard.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Perfect.
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Eaglekiwiposted 13 years ago
Gods Loves Us Perfectly
He is more concerned with the our Hearts( what we think, not how we look)
Man is more concerned with outward appearances,achievements , fame or fortune.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Lol Hello Eagle, You just stole my answer!!! I wanted to see his answer, now he will copy this. lol
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  (oops ,sorry)
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  lol all is good, I liked your answer. I think an innocent child born with a defect is a true test of god and will not to judge and to treat as perfect.
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RedElfposted 13 years ago
Isn't that why we joined hub pages? lol
Seriously though, I think we are talking about two facets of our being here - the physical and the spiritual...
There are those who believe that God, or Allah, or the Universe, created each one of us exactly the way we are supposed to be. We are therefore therefore perfect in the eyes of our creator, whatever our physical nature is, and however our physical being may be perceived by others.
There are also those who believe that though we strive to be better people according to the teachings of whatever religion or philosophy we follow, we are not spiritually perfect beings, and we can never be truly perfect spiritually nor attain enlightened in this lifetime.
There are many definitions of perfection, both physical and spiritual, and perhaps it is the striving towards the goal that is important.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hindus believe anyone can gain enlightenment in this life time and that is main criteria of life.
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Enelle Lambposted 13 years ago
Enlightenment is a journey...not a destination
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  in a language GOD means journey.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Wrong , enlightenment is the destination and meditation is the journey.
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Irene McManmanposted 13 years ago
Enlightenment is when we don’t have those questions anymore…and no answers too. You don’t need it. I don’t have an answer on that one…so I might half way there
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Enlightenment is having the answer to who you really are, what is the source of all and that this universe is as alive as you and me, nothing is dead but there is more to learn after enlightenment.
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Eaglekiwiposted 13 years ago
I am humbled by your flattering analysis.
Perhaps its more true, that I aspire to be a better ,more peaceful person inwardly.
Mostly you hit the nail on the head,and I find your insights to be very refreshing.
There is much more to you than what we can glean on here Im sure.
I think often we miss out on so much, when our minds are closed and it is especially sad when anyones mind remains closed.
Sometimes those are the minds that I feel drawn too , I dont know why. It is not always that enjoyable ,lol.
Like you, I find people somewhat fascinating ,definately entertaining and always amazingly complex.
Thankyou for answering.
P.S Maybe its all the seafood I was fed as a kid,lol
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "I think often we miss out on so much, when our minds are closed and it is especially sad when anyones mind remains closed."
  
  Agreed! I think there is also the idea of seeing the "bigger picture" or "large scale". When the light clicks on that you don't know everything and learn from the history of your mistakes.
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ralwusposted 13 years ago
Miriam Webster:
1: the act or means of enlightening : the state of being enlightened
2capitalized : a philosophic movement of the 18th century marked by a rejection of traditional social, religious, and political ideas and an emphasis on rationalism —used with the
3Buddhism : a final blessed state marked by the absence of desire or suffering

I disregard these, except for #1, as I have been enlightened by joining Hugpages, quite an eye opener for me.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  1: the act or means of enlightening : the state of being enlightened - its state .
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  usmanali81posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's the point. Similarly you can not get enlightened if your Creator does not guide you about the doose and donts. If you don't know the difference, you can not get enlightened. For example, humans did not know about pigs and alcohol being bad for them, so God-Allah informed humans through revelations not to have pigs and alcohol. Later in 20th century science confirmed that whatever God told us about pigs and alcohol was 100% accurate.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You will never get enlightened by religion, religion is not enlightenment it is enslavement.
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  usmanali81posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What's your proof ??? and if that is the case then HUMANISM, MATERIALISM, CAPITALISM, EVOLUTION, INDIVIDUATION, MOTHER NATURE, MADITAION, HALF SLEEP HALF AWAKE, ZIONISM AND FREEMASONRY are also enslavements.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Jeez, does that make me a Freemason?
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  usmanali81posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  may be indirectly because Freemasons follow KABBALAH and in it, the basic pagan doctrines are Humanism, Atheism and Materialism
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So now one can be a Freemason indirectly- very interesting philosophy
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  off course it does ,you haven't converted to Islam
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andromidaposted 13 years ago
Enlightenment is a state of mind or feeling which tells you that you got it.But what you do with that enlightenment is important.
In this technologically advanced world the old concept of enlightenment does not work well and truly difficult to achieve.I would love to meet some one if he or she claims that they are enlightened.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I believe it would be arrogant for me to claim enlightenment. I would never claim this. However, I do feel as if my light came on. I learn more and more everyday, yet I continue to know nothing.
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  andromidaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "I do feel as if my light came on"-this is the key in my personal opinion.This feeling will drive you towards enlightenment which is never ending or infinite journey.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed. I believe there are different stages of enlightenment with some never being enlightened.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Enlightenment is one and the same for all, there are no different stages.There are different stages of consciousness in different people but not enlightenment.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There are different stages in my belief. You do not leave much open to interpretation. You can reach enlightenment in understanding yourself and still learning how much you do not know. If claiming absolute enlightenment, this to me would be claiming to know everything when none of us know nothing.
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  the best part is you wont claiming it when you know everything
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Here I believe you are talking about samadhi and maha samadhi.Enlightenment is dying ,fusing with the light and coming back which is termed as samadhi.
  
  Then you have maha smadhi where you die ,fuse with the light and don't come back.
  So example are Buddha, Mahavira, Jesus, Guru Nank, Sai Baba= enlightened ones.
  
  know everything when none of us know nothing.-speak for yourself.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Lol ok, I will speak for myself. I know nothing while you claim to know something or "everything". You will not learn until you understand you also know nothing.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Just sharing my knowledge something I feel you could use and benefit from, mean no harm.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  None taken. I appreciate your perspectives, I just think you say things as " This is how it is" rather than "this is how I think it is". I believe in tact without pushing belief. Thank You
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am sorry but I don't believe the question was directed at the way you talk about moments of enlightenment or understanding.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My appologies for not specifying. I was talking about one of your earlier posts where you made a statement saying my thinking was "wrong". I also think you have "strong" religious views which you convey. However, I still like your perspectives, even when I do not agree.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I also do not think enlightenment has anything to do with drawing a dot on a wall.
  "Seven breaths of one pointeed concentration wll get you enlightened " Patanjali
  
  Like I said by correcting your viewpoint I am only trying to help you get a better understanding.
  
  However, I still like your perspectives, even when I do not agree. -Thank you
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What is it that you think I don't understand?
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Enlightenment and that one pointed concentration has nothing to do with it.
  
  "When thy eye be single" Jesus
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Alright. More questions. You have said you reached enlightentment before you became religious. Why are you now saying that it takes Jesus to become enlightened?
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am still not religious , I respect all religions and their prophets immensely and equally but have gone beyond. Great masters like Jesus and Patanjali direct you towards one pointed concentration.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So you are a follower of religious teachings, yet you are not religious? If you don't think religion needs to be found for enlightenment, why do you keep quoting religious figures?
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Religions are spiritual paths one needs to walk, Jesus and Patanjali are great masters, you may not believe me when I say one pointed concentration is required for enlightenment so you I am showing that great masters say the same thing.
  When you say I don't think so the I need to say you are wrong in your way of thinking.
  The message and the messenger, the message is more important.
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  but humans are holding to the messenger because do not understand the message
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You say you believe in prophecy, yet you are not religious. You say you have gone beyond religious teachings. Are you saying you are more powerful than Jesus or God?
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Gone beyond means I have come across god which is the goal of religious teachings. No I am in the same league.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I do not think it is wise to claim being in the same league as God. However, to each their own. I do not think saying one is in the same league as God is an enlightened statement.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Man is god and discovering this is the most important aspect of life.
  "the kingdom of god is withing you" Jesus
  "Shiv ho hum" I am Shiv- Hindu mystics
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If you claim you don't need religion to reach enlightenment, why do you keep quoting religion?
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  They are spiritual teachings and I was practicing one pointed concentration to improve my concentration powers .This is prescribed by religion to gain enlightenment.
  It goes back again to the messenger and the message, most put more emphasis on the messenger .I see the goodness and oneness in all religions and don't have any particular master.Then after all they are great masters and great quotes and spoke the same truth.
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  usmanali81posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Unless you read, you can not get enlightened by merely staring at one point MRI Machine was not created by staring. lol
  
  Qur'an, Ch 96, The Clot, Read!
  1. Proclaim! (or read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created-
  2. Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood:
  3. Proclaim! And thy Lord is Most Bountiful,-
  4. He Who taught (the use of) the pen,-
  5. Taught man that which he knew not.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Unless you read, you can not get enlightened by merely staring at one point MRI Machine was not created by staring. lol
  
  Muhammad didn't know how to read, so it was not possible for him to get enlightened - correct
  
  I have repeatedly showed you my book rankings yet you have the audacity to tell me how to get enlightened when you know nothing about it.Write and get ranked over my book and the Quran if you do have god knowledge and knowledge of enlightenment.Do you know the meaning of enlightenment.? You yet haven't answered this question.
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  usmanali81posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Muhammad (peace be upon him) was directly educated and enlightened by the revelations, so he did not need to read as you do
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So it not necessary to read holy scriptures to gain enlightenment but it is necessary to meditate like Muhammad was known to do in a cave.
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  usmanali81posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  he did'nt mediate rather he used to have revelations, Some times the Angel Gabriel (pbuh) also came to him on that cave for teaching.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Stop talking crap, Muhammad didn't meditate is a big joke.
  
  http://mysticsaint.blogspot.com/2007/10 … ation.html
  
  Prophet Muhammad used to go to spiritual seclusions and extended retreats of meditation into Mouth Hira near Mecca. It is during one of such meditation retreats (in the holy month of Ramadan) in a defining moment of extra-cosmic enlightenment, Divine revelations started to reveal to him. The well-preserved collection of such Divine revelations later came to be known as Quran which literally means recitation because the Prophet following the inspirations, used to recite it to others including his companions.
  
  Now, interestingly nobody surely knows about the exact method of meditation that Prophet Muhammad used in his very personal experience in Mount Hira. The aspect of meditation and its teaching was most probably passed down to very inner circle of elect companions such as Ali, Abu Bakr, Fatima etc. who are known for their more evolved and higher spiritual station. The validation of the previous statement can be derived from the historical fact that holy companions like Ali, Abu Bakr were able to reach elevated levels of intense concentration and super-conscious stages during their formal prayers, which signifies that they were taught the science of concentration (which basically meditation is).
  
  Like I said it boils down to one pointed concentration something you laughed at earlier.
  
  http://www.crescentlife.com/spiritualit … _islam.htm
  
  Meditation is soothing for the mind and soul. It is a good way to get in tune with oneself. While in Mecca Prophet Muhammad (saw) used to go to Mount Hira and sit in the cave where he pondered and meditated.
  
  http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Sat … boutIslamE
  
  "When Prophet Muhammad was nearly forty he had been wont to pass long hours in retirement meditating and speculating over all aspects of creation around him. This meditative temperament helped to widen the mental gap between him and his compatriots.
  
  He used to provide himself with barley porridge and water and then directly head for the hills and ravines in the neighborhood of Makkah. One of these in particular was his favourite resort — a cave named Hira', in the Mount An-Nur. It was only two miles from Makkah, a small cave four yards long and 1.75 yard wide.
  
  He would always go there and invite wayfarers to share him his modest provision. He used to devote most of his time, and Ramadan in particular, to worship and meditation on the universe around him.
  
  His heart was restless about the moral evils and idolatry that were rampant among his people; he was as yet helpless because no definite course, or specific approach had been available for him to follow and rectify the ill practices around him. This solitude attended with this sort of contemplative approach must be understood in its Divine perspective. It was a preliminary stage to the period of grave responsibilities that he was to shoulder very soon."
  
  Privacy and detachment from the impurities of life were two indispensable prerequisites for the Prophet’s soul to come into close communion with the Unseen Power that lies behind all aspects of existence in this infinite universe. It was a rich period of privacy which lasted for three years and ushered in a new era, of indissoluble contact with that Power. (Saifur Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri, Ar-Raheeq Al-Makhtum)
  
  Dont try and teach an enlightened one how to get enlightened .
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  usmanali81posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Don't decieve people with bogus, context less information and websites.
  
  If meditation is the thing which brings peace to life then why Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) got revelation (Qur'an) which are guidlines for the whole of mankind in order to lead life with peace and love ???
  
  Regarding passing down meditation to his companions. What the heck you are talking about ??? Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) used to teach them Qur'an, he used to speak the verses of Qur'an in front of them.
  
  And the universe, it is FINITE. Only God-ALLAH is infinite. BIG BANG proved that universe started and something which has a start and end is not infinite. Regarding God-ALLAH, He has no start and no end. He is the only infinite.
  
  Qur'an / Chapter 112 - The Unity, Sincerity, Oneness Of Allah
  1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
  2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
  3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
  4. And there is none like unto Him.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do you know the meaning of enlightenment? obviously not
  .Are you ranked with the Quran? obviously not.
  Could you ever get ranked in top 10 Philosophy-Religious- Books- obviously not.
  
  If meditation is the thing which brings peace to life then why Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) got revelation (Qur'an) which are guidlines for the whole of mankind in order to lead life with peace and love ???
  While meditating you have revelations.I have left more modern guideline in my book "Ponder Awhile".
  
  Regarding passing down meditation to his companions. What the heck you are talking about ??? Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) used to teach them Qur'an, he used to speak the verses of Qur'an in front of them.
  Why he couldn't tell his friends or companions how to meditate?
  I have spoken of meditation to my friends and here on this forum and not just in my book.
  
  And the universe, it is FINITE. Only God-ALLAH is infinite. BIG BANG proved that universe started and something which has a start and end is not infinite. Regarding God-ALLAH, He has no start and no end. He is the only infinite.
  
  When I say cosmos it means god.I know god-you dont, you have heard he is infinite while I have experienced it for myself-big difference.
  
  I had a revelation or got enlightened or merged with god or Allah exactly like Muhammad did and now god has asked me to spread his message again exactly like Muhammad did.So dont try and teach me about revelation or enlightenment as you have no idea what they stand for.
  
  ONE WITH THE UNIVERSE
  
  http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstor … sid=224581
  
  http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_k0SHgeosr6A/R … nverse.jpg
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  usmanali81posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Both are important. You were not be able to get enlightened about 2+2=4 unless your teacher taught you about it.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Get it into your head - I DONT HAVE A TEACHER.
  Are you enlightened?
  Even if you have a teacher you need to get enlightened for yourself, meaning practice meditation something your master cannot do for you.
  He shows you the path which you need to walk, its not enough saying he is the greatest prophet and make that as an excuse to not meditate and gain enlightenment.
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  usmanali81posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You do not have a teacher but you must have a Psychiatrist
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Will teach him enlightenment as well.Now after showing you my book is ranked with the Quran something you thought was impossible you still say I should see a psychiatrist,what is your reason now?
  Do you know the meaning of enlightenment?
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  usmanali81posted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Its clear you have no idea of the meaning of enlightenment which is the crux of spirituality or religions. Meditate , with time In shah Allah you will comprehend what Allah means.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "I do feel as if my light came on"- interesting please expand on this.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  When you do get enlightened it will not be arrogant to claim it but if you are not then it is arrogant.I am not arrogant ,I am truthful and hope this truth inspires more people to meditate and gain enlightenment.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do you think enlightenment is so hard to acheive because of our majority follower society?
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  andromidaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Before answering your question I think we need to define the definition of enlightenment and its purpose.Because this idea is very old.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Lol I'm not trying to give you a test. I'm just asking why you think it's so hard to acheive. I believe it's hard to acheive also.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It is not so hard. Depressing yes, hard no.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It is depressing at times, yet there is always "hope". lol
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  andromidaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Lol, I am not trying to take any test.lol.Actually,in this busy and competitive society people find very less time to ponder about any particular subjects.Moreover,every day huge volume of
  information and ideas are added to the human knowledge bank.For
  real enlightenment one needs to dedicate majority of his time in learning and concentrating.Though some might claim that they got enlightenment suddenly,since nothing is impossible I won't cancel it out completely;maybe they have reached the understanding of the existence of the ONE or that kind of feeling.I find the word enlightenment somehow
  restricted or fit well with the the geocentric model of the universe period.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Actually,in this busy and competitive society people find very less time to ponder about any particular subjects.Moreover,every day huge volume of
  information and ideas are added to the human knowledge bank.For
  real enlightenment one needs to dedicate majority of his time in learning and concentrating.
  
  I agree with this 100%. I believe a lot of us try to do things to prevent thinking.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You dont need to meditate the whole day, 20-30 minutes of serious meditation is fine .
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes its difficult , you need to have perfect concentration which requires a lot of practice.As a kid I would draw a dot on the wall and concentrate on it for a long time , all this practice helped me gain enlightenment.I suppose higher forces were guiding me without me knowing it.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  People are concentrating more on the messenger than the messenger. It is distraction in the city which spoils your concentration while meditating. I promise you if you practice one pointed concentration you can get enlightened.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am.
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  andromidaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How did it happen,I mean I want to know if you were meditating towards enlightenment and why you feel that you are enlightened.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I was practicing one pointed concentration, closing my eyes and focusing on a star or point of light between my eyebrows in order to improve my concentration powers.Would do this for roughly 10 minutes in the early morning after my watch.( was a navigating officer in the merchant navy and my watch or work timing would be 12-4 afternoon and night.)
  
  It happened in the Atlantic ocean from a voyage from South Africa to South America . Was practicing as usual and I was not looking for god or enlightenment.
  
  You basically race to the point of light when you inhale and away from the point of light when you exhale at very fast speeds _ its a tunnel created between you and the point of light and you are racing up and down this tunnel.
  It scary and you hold back as the speeds scare you, then comes the time of let go , you dont hold back , drop all egos and attachments and race towards the point of light.
  
  This point of light becomes huge like the moon and you implode into it before exploding from It- one with the light- god- bliss-home- no beginning and no end- timeless.
  Then you think of yourself -meaning your body and at that very moment you are back.
  Enlightenment - one who has been one with the light- that sate and come back.
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  andromidaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you mohit for sharing your experience.That time you must have felt the state of euphoria,didn't you.Did you weep that time?If possible please share more of your experience.
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frogdroppingposted 13 years ago
I've reached enlightenment.

I used to weigh 69k. Now only 60
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Would this be called enlighterment?
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  missed you frogs ,where ya been
  oh hey did ya see you were voted funniest hubbiest ( thats not a word is it) lemme try that again
  funniest hub writer,well that was a few hours now ,but not matter
  I just see those wet green legs an do this~~>
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  frogdroppingposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I won something? What did I win? I could do with one of those wotsits ... you flick ash in them. Or I'm good for a lucky dip.
  
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oreo cookies
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marinealways24posted 13 years ago
I will agree at times in a depressed mindset, the hope may look like hype.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Once you are "enlightened," hope is for losers.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Lol that one actually made me laugh. I do not agree though. What is left without hope? reality? Who wants to deal with reality? lol If you only see reality, will you ever be able to enjoy the good?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Reality is really cool once you can accept how un-important you are. Grain of sand on the beach of life. Wind blowing, surf crashing, sea gulls fighting....... perfect.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed. I agree that no 1 person is more important to the other. I will say that one person can choose to influence good in others while the other chooses to influence bad.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Best I can do is ask questions. Not massively popular though...
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Please explain
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So, you asked this question:
  
  "Do You believe you have reached enlightenment? Yes or No, please explain why."
  
  Why did you ask it? Does this mean that you feel enlightened - do you even know what enlightenment is?
  
  What prompted you to ask this question if you cannot answer the previous questions?
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What previous questions are you referring to? I simply asked you why you think your questions are not popular?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Then answer the questions I asked you. Please.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Lol I have said my thoughts on this on my previous posts if you would please read.
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marinealways24posted 13 years ago
I think we have a different idea of enlightenment. Mine comes from no religion or bible.
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  there is no different between both
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  From where marine? where do you find enlightenment and what do you measure it against, how do you formulate your thoughts, ideas, emotions etc. Am curious.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I use to live pissed off all the time. I had an ego, arrogance, thought I was untouchable. I use to want to buy all material things in my quest for happiness. I slept with numerous girls, followed others, didn't think about life or myself. I motivated myself to get through life by the hate I had for life and my father I have never seen. One day, I was tired of being pissed off. A light came on. I refused to be pissed off at life anymore and determined/developed reason and logic of my history that got me where I am today. A beautiful wife, great mom, and a boy on the way. When that light came on, I forgave my father and everything I have been mad about. I also forgave myself for my past mistakes. I lost my arrogance for humbleness, still a work in progress. I am fully self-aware of everyone and everything around me. I analyze what I will say and how it will effect everyone I am in the room with. I try to always truly think before I speak. If not considering others emotions before speaking, I believe this as arrogance and lack of intelligence when those speak without consideration. I do not think these things have to be taught from others or religion. I think it can be found within individualism, free thought. However I do still believe some religious people can still be enlightened based on individual logic. I am still a work in progress and will never reach perfection like no one else. I will continue to know nothing in my quest to learn something.
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  moposanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well-thats already sounds as something.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you sir. However, sometimes it feels as if I am only henpecking. lol
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  moposanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That is one enlightening henpecking.
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ops now i see the difference. yes it is a very different thing. its like one is false and one is true.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not saying my idea is the right one. I saying that one day, my light decided to come on. I thought about the important things and put to rest the materialistic. I lived 29 years, yet at 30, I am only now truly starting to live because I have started to wake up.
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  let me give you a clue, there is a journey where you will travel within you, have you ever heard about this, here where you will find the answer.
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marinealways24posted 13 years ago
I also do not think enlightenment has anything to do with drawing a dot on a wall.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It aids in one pointed concentration between your eyebrows.
  
  "seven breaths of one pointed concentration will get you enlightened " Patanjali- the founder of Yoga meaning science of union with god.
  
  Your thinking is wrong.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Lol You are wrong for saying my thinking is wrong. I have no idea what you are reading. You constantly contradict yourself. You can stare at dots on the wall all you wish. enjoy. You made another religious reference to my belief. If you would read, I have said my beliefs comes from no religious teachings.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It aids in one pointed concentration meaning attaining perfect concentration which comes with a lot of practice and takes time as it is very difficult to perform.
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marinealways24posted 13 years ago
The Hen feels tired of pecking sometimes, yet the henpecking must continue.
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  moposanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And especially from 9/9/2009.Good luck!
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Very Right. A lot of sleepless nights ahead. Must maintain sanity. lol Thank You
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  moposanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You are welcome,that is where your enlightenment(which is mature attitude to life) will be of the best use.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed! I believe with responsibility comes knowledge.
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  moposanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Unfortunately not for everyone.Only if you regard responsibility as your responsibility without trying to shift it to somebody else and find a scapegoat.Otherwise we wouldnt have abuses of power and abandoned children.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with this also. I refuse to set my responsibilities up for failure as I was partly set up.
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marinealways24posted 13 years ago
let me give you a clue, there is a journey where you will travel within you, have you ever heard about this, here where you will find the answer.

I have not heard or read this anywhere. However, I do agree with it and believe it mostly true.
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  enlightment=journey=truth=god=YOU
  go and find
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know as of yet if I agree with your formula. I think you have to recognize the journey before to reach enlightenment. I also do not know if you are talking of a religious God or an individual idea of God.
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  chukra Gposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  it is not a formula , i was trying to say that it is the same thing with the sign(
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ahh, ok, I can agree with that. I myself believe in God, no religious God, however I also think some that do not believe in God could possibly acheive enlightenment also.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  however I also think some that do not believe in God could possibly acheive enlightenment also.-
  very true as I was an atheist when I gained enlightenment.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Its what all philosophies talk about- the inner journey- god is within you.
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marinealways24posted 13 years ago
I don't want this to turn into a religious debate. However, I highly disagree with anyone saying someone else's thinking is wrong. This is a moronic statement. In individual free thought, no individuals thinking is ever wrong unless the individual decides it wrong.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You are talking about enlightenment in a very general or light way , yes it was mind altering but it pales in significance to spiritual enlightenment, what I am talking about.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  An Individual understanding their individualism is extremely rare and is never to be taken lightly in my belief. Individualism is our greatest freedom, yet many of us choose to be a follower. One can live an entire life never finding individualism.
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diplessposted 13 years ago
I will reach enlightenment, when I feel I have fullfilled every thing I want to do in life... e.g. when I have a familly with beautiful children and in a happy marrage, when I have reached the pinnical of my career and have understood all that i believe i can understand about my chosen area of expertise... Then and only then will i feel "enlightened".

Marinealways is also right mohitmirsa, you should NOT say that someone elses belief systems are wrong... no matter how far they are from your own, state your point of view but do not attack other peoples views and thought.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Great attitude dipless ,I second that!
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You are right enlightenment is taken in a very light vein as well.
  I believe that is the real question otherwise every single person in the world has many moments of enlightenment .
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Eaglekiwiposted 13 years ago
Some days I feel so amazingly full of enlightenment, my heart is overflowing with electric baubles of energy.
Other days the 'some things' I know ,have wondered off to goodness knows where ,and I feel inactive and perplexed.

I have decided to treat those days as reflective days , and feed my visuals on other living energies , birds,trees,mountians and memories...

Do you ever wish you had made a different decision than the one you did-
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diplessposted 13 years ago
why does enlightenment have to be a religious term though, in the 18th century it a philosophical movement of the eighteenth century which stressed human reasoning over blind faith or obedience and was thus in contrast with much of the religious and political order of the day, while also encouraging 'scientific' thinking

Today it can also mean education that results in understanding and the spread of knowledge.

It doesn't have to mean reaching the nivarna so i think respecting peoples interpretations is vital.

P.S. thanks Eaglekiwi
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with so much of what you say dipless. I do not think religion has to be had with enlightenment. I believe enlightenment comes more from individualism and free thought than guided thought.
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  diplessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  sums it up in a nutshell well put
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank You. I believe you and Eagle have excellent knowledge of stating your beliefs without pushing them. It shows lots of tact and is very admirable. Thanks.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There are two meanings to enlightenment and the spiritual meaning is satori, or samadhi or union with god.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I would much rather hear "your" thoughts than "others" thoughts you have read.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am a poet and I am sharing my life or soul with you.
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marinealways24posted 13 years ago
dipless wrote:
I will reach enlightenment, when I feel I have fullfilled every thing I want to do in life... e.g. when I have a familly with beautiful children and in a happy marrage, when I have reached the pinnical of my career and have understood all that i believe i can understand about my chosen area of expertise... Then and only then will i feel "enlightened".

I agree with this 100%. When I have all of the answers that allow me to be fully understand life, this may be my ultimate enlightenment. As I still think one can reach different stages of enlightenment seeking to reach ultimate enlightenment.
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Eaglekiwiposted 13 years ago
Enlightenment is such an awesome word ,as it defines many different things for different people,and those experiences change too,though seldom do we ever lose knowledge we have gained.( might appear to be ,but isnt really) all stored up in our amazing human databases ,called brains.

Isnt that just the most amazing organ!!
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Very Well Said!! My database seems to have a virus at times as it debates it's programs.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  thank god for anti-bodies huh
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes and Charter Internet!!
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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ralwusposted 13 years ago
Seems to me that someone should have been enlightened here by now as long as this thread has been going on.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOL Excellent. I will say that I have been enlightened by the thread, yet as for "absolute enlightenment", the search continues. lol
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
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diplessposted 13 years ago
4 days is nothing we all love a good old debate
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes we do!!! Without debate, we would only have currency. If all minds thought alike, someone wouldn't be thinking, right?
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  we all love a good old debate-
  So do I .
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santoionposted 13 years ago
Every second is posible to reach enlightenment for everybody who can live in the HERE AND NOW with all being.
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diplessposted 13 years ago
indeed then the world would be boring
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ralwusposted 13 years ago
I find you all so very enlightening. The world just seems, I don't know, so much brighter now since this thread was started. I now need my shades on all the time and my mind is so full of new ideas and life. thank you all so much for sharing. Now I must go enlighten my toilet for a bit.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hope you aren't constipated. That would be a barrier in enlightenment.
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ralwusposted 13 years ago
Well no, actually it is another problem I have been having. LOL
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I hope it's not a pee problem. Prostate exams are no fun.
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diplessposted 13 years ago
lol
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Jewelsposted 13 years ago
CC, you're such a warm soul to be around. Had to tell you that.
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Eaglekiwiposted 13 years ago
Mentioning Charter made me reflect a moment.

When I located a few months back from another country to here , we had no car,no phone, radio , no tv , no internet.
Although we could have access to a payphone and internet ( at a libray downtown,which we did use once) for 3/4 weeks ,we found ourselves sleeping better , eating better and walking alot ,since the bus system was a joke.
But I felt transported back in time in a way , and as we became established again ( if ya can call it that) slowly the mod cons were added back into our lives again ,and it was then that I relised how demanding and intrusive our toys are!!
I love computers ,and hubby loves TV and Music more , but a part of me misses that other life too.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I can understand that. I think it's a matter of balance. A balance which I have not found. lol
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marinealways24posted 13 years ago
Ahhhh, Just noticed what the smiley is doing. Sick!!!
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ohhhh me tooo
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ralwusposted 13 years ago
Geez. Sorry 'bout that. I dint want to stink up the forum but all this enlightenment is starting to come out me arse! I have a peeing problem too, it's called diuretics and my prostrate is fine, for now. Man I hate those exams, now that's enlightenment for sure. You all are just too smart for me. So i must go and let ya back to it now. have a good weekend fellers. Cheers! now back to my Scotch. hic
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  lol I actually wrote a hub on a prostate exam.
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  ralwusposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well I'll have to read it. I don't like to recall mine, which have been several. My new doctor, who is really Doogie Houser, wanted to do one on my first visit with him. Really doc, I don't like to on a first date. I told him. That was tow years ago. Now He has me scheduled for one this fall. I reckon that's enough time. Chit!
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  lol Excellent. Best wishes. Hopefully your doc. has small fingers unlike mine.
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marinealways24posted 13 years ago
http://hubpages.com/hub/Prostate-Exam-Violation

Here is some prostate enlightenment. lol
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diplessposted 13 years ago
well said i hope this is true and i learn till the day i die
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I hope I learn so that I never die.
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diplessposted 13 years ago
would be nice but i think that would be quite an achievement in the literal sence, but hopefully you can make a good contribution in life so that the memory of you will never die
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Excellent perspective. I wasn't 100% sure what I meant when I typed that, I just thought it sounded good. lol However, you made an excellent point to strive for.
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logic,commonsenseposted 13 years ago
I reach enlightenment every time I hit the switch.
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  usmanali81posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  lol
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diplessposted 13 years ago
lol Electricity is a wonderful thing
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\Brenda Scullyposted 13 years ago
Enlightenment must been different things to different people.
I have recently seen a lot of things in a different light, and it helps my journey..... understanding yourself is indeed enlightenment, as you then stop trying to be something you're never going to attain, and relax, and focus on the things you can attain...... That has been my experience, and I am all the more happy for it.....
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marinealways24posted 13 years ago
How enlightening can religion be when it causes so much disagreement, debate, hate? To reach enlightenment, I would guess you would need logic. To me, religion is not very logical.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Religions are paths to enlightenment by enlightened masters.Its foolish man who argues as to which is better.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Would you claim yourself as an individual or a follower? Please explain why.
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HealthCare Basicsposted 13 years ago
Enlightenment every morning after my 2nd cup of coffee. From there, as long as I am happy being myself, confident and caring in my career, a home owner, help my friends in need,and able to pay all the bills, I am satisfied.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Good Stuff HealthCare. Being satisfied is all that counts. I can only handle 1 cup of coffee in the morn. Gotta hate prostates.
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HealthCare Basicsposted 13 years ago
I am a three cupper in the morning, but then I never go beyond that for the rest of the day. Otherwise, I either can't sleep restfully, or I prowl the house all night trying to stay away from munching on sweets........
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ralwusposted 13 years ago
Like Bruce Lee, a famous philosopher in his own right, I was enlightened when I discovered who I really am. Simplicity in the purest form.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for sharing. I also believe recognizing true individuality is very enlightening.
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  tksenseiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Bruce Lee is not a famous 'philosopher.'
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  usmanali81posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  He was a fighter
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Wot, not a Zionist?
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  usmanali81posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do you know he was murdered ... by Zionists / Freemasons as his movies were becoming famous
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Who told you this?
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