What can be done to stop teachers from getting involved romantically with students?
I have seen 3 cases this week of teachers having sexual relations with their high school and middle school students. What can be done to stop this from happening?
Nothing.
There are already laws on the books and we don't want employers or the government installing cameras in our homes, cars, or following us wherever we go as citizens. Our only option is to enforce the law when we catch teachers breaking it.
Having said that it is important to acknowledge that we also can't stop students from having romantic crushes on teachers either. We can try a 16 year old as an (adult) for crimes they commit but if they (choose) to have sex they are considered too young to give "consent". Both the teacher and the student should know why they are at school.
Yes but is a 13 year old really capable of making a rational choice about a crush? Also why aren't teachers punished more? Woman teachers typically get off with probation and loss of job.
Punishments vary from state to state. There is a double standard when it comes to sex. Males are viewed as predators taking advantage of girls. While teenage boys are thought to (want) sex. We've tried 13 year olds as "adults" for murder. Rational?
I think that it is common for kids to have crushes on adults, I did with many male teachers, at a young age too. BUT, I knew it was silly crush-stuff and I would've been devastated had a teacher given me "special attention" Kids should know what's ok
peeples,
This is such an important topic and major problem. I have been asking the same question since all of the massive media coverage and made for TV movie about Mary Kay Letourneau in 1997. Obviously there are psychological issues when an adult, especially an adult in the caregiver/educator field has the capacity to develop intimate feelings for a child. I am sickened everyday by news stories about all kinds of people in positions of power molesting or having some kind of inappropriate sexual relationship with a child, for all intents and purposes I will refer to a child as anyone under the age of 18. These are figures that we expect to protect and guide our children, particularly school teachers! I think that there should be some kind of psychological evaluations required prior to becoming employed in a school district and I think that there should be stiffer laws/punishments, such as life in prison without the possibility of parole for such an offense. I think that there should be zero tolerance or forgiveness when something like this occurs; there is no such thing as “I messed up” when it comes to compromising a child’s innocence. These acts forever ruin a child and the families; it is a tragedy.
I think part of the problem is that there is not the same kind of relationship between student and teacher as there once was. Teachers were expected/required to wear suits and dresses, not dressing like the students; every day is casual Friday. The respect factor is also dying out. Children do not have the same kind of respect for their elders today that they used to. Students oftentimes feel like they are entitled and equal to their teachers. This is not the case; teachers should have a superior role to a student. We need to un-level the playing field and draw the line between students and teachers.
It’s a shame to think that we should have to watch so carefully, but I also think that extracurricular activities, afterschool help, field trips, clubs, groups etc. should be monitored. Sometimes teachers and students spend a lot of time outside of school time together and the teacher-student role begins to diminish.
Great question!
You made an excellent point regarding respect. Most adults now days are introduced to children by their first name. The use of Mr. and Ms. was an instant respect buffer. A 12 year old calling you by your first name vs Ms./Mr. is a different mindset.
dashingscorpio,
Absolutely, I have noticed a huge change in how children address their elders today. No more sir and ma'aam or yes mother and yes father. Or how about...Mr. Steve and Miss Stacey?
"Obviously there are psychological issues when an adult, especially an adult in the caregiver/educator field has the capacity to develop intimate feelings for a child."
There's no one-size-fits-all to this scenario. First of all, English-language dictionaries cannot seem to agree on the definition of a child. One dictionary defines a child as a boy or a girl before puberty, but another defines it as someone below the legal age of majority.
Sure, if you argue that adults who take a sexual interest in prepubescent children are wired together the wrong way, you will not get much of an argument from anyone. And, yes, I agree with you that anyone who would become infatuated with their students should not be in the teaching profession in the first place. However, if you're describing two people each on opposite sides of the legal age line falling in love with each other by chance, I believe that there should be at least some room for compromise so long as neither party is still in the crayons-and-playground phase of their life. I mean, one day I read about this one married couple in their forties out in California in which the husband was in trouble for failing to register on the sex-offender registry. The husband had to register as a sex offender, because he had willing intercourse with his wife back when she was 17 years old and he was 19 years old. Now how ridiculous does that get?
"I think that there should be stiffer laws/punishments, such as life in prison without the possibility of parole for such an offense. I think that there should be zero tolerance or forgiveness when something like this occurs; there is no such thing as “I messed up” when it comes to compromising a child’s innocence. These acts forever ruin a child and the families; it is a tragedy."
You might want to rethink that position. When I lived out in California, the 3-strike law was instituted there. That is, it didn't matter what anyone was convicted of, they still got life in prison on their third conviction under that law, even if it was for something as petty as sticking a slug in a gumball machine. As a result, the prisons became so overcrowded that the prison system started having to release dangerous felons early. Punitive austerity in the criminal justice system usually causes more problems in the long run than it solves in the short run.
If our criminal justice system goes sending a 23-year-old man to prison for life every time his 15-year-old girlfriend gets caught passing him off to her parents as a 16- or 17-year-old boy, not before long our prisons across the United States are going to be so overcrowded that public officials may be confronted with the prospect of having no other choice but to release dangerous felons earlier than they should be released.
And, yes, I get it. Teachers are in positions of authority over students no matter how close to 18 years old those students are. However, keep in mind that when lawmakers impose stricter and harsher prison sentences and penalties against educators who violate the age-of-consent laws, courts can become more inclined to acquit these individuals on jury nullification. It's becoming a regular thing in Connecticut. Prosecutors can whine that jury nullification is a recipe for deviant anarchy in that event, but the doctrine of jury nullificatin will never go away inasmuch as many Americans see it as a bulletproof vest against oppression from the government and the ruling establishment.
Also, it usually is not the act itself that ruins a "child" and families but rather the societal zealots in the legal system who do so, and it's because these public officials really don't care about the collateral damages that ensue when they turn their prosecutorial pursuits into witch hunts. Here's the proof. Back in 1986, this one 15-year-old girl refused to testify against her 28-year-old boyfriend in a statutory-rape case, and the prosecutor turned around and got the judge to lock her up in a juvenile detention facility on contempt charges. Later on, the prosecutor acted as though he was doing it out of the kindness of his heart and for the girl's own good, but I don't believe he was concerned about anything but getting a conviction. The girl's father was okay with the prosecutor's actions, but I don't think he would have been if he had seen the movie Born Innocent starring Linda Blair. This happened in Connecticut.
Child advocates are mostly hypocrites, and the child-victims industry is mostly about profit rather than protection. If these people really cared so much about the youngest citizens of our nation, they would be fighting to end parental testamentary freedom instead of seeking to raise the statutory age of consent as high as they can do so in every state jurisdiction. I mean, if a father sexually molests his daughter, he should not have the right to cut her out of his will in retaliation for her decision to report him to the authorities. You never hear about any of these self-proclaimed child advocates doing something to change the inheritance laws for the better here in the United States.
Unfortunately nothing. This is such a horrible way to exploit a child's mind. Yes, they are still children, even though they think they know it all. And amazingly, I have seen more women do this than men. It's a double standard. This is disgusting behavior, but also a double standard. If a man does it he is thought of as a cruel pervert, women aren't as likely to be looked upon so harsh. Although wrong is WRONG. This is just another moral issue that has shown how our morals are disintegrating.
I couldn't agree with you more!! I also agree with you about men being thought of differently as compared to women in this same situation. It is EXACTLY the same situation, whether the teacher is a male or female, yet society sees it differently.
JThomp42,
I think the world is less intimidated by a woman having relations with a child than a man. As far as I'm concerned wrong is wrong and sick is sick; punishment should be the same.
I have a major pet peeve relating to this topic - I think it is grossly unprofessional for teachers to "friend" students on Facebook. I completely understand that there are teachers who want their students to feel like they can come to them for assistance, but keep it in school. Find ways to connect with the students in school and not through social media sites. Teachers are in schools to ensure that our kids are learning, not to be their best friends. I think schools should have very, very strict language in their teachers' contracts regarding things like connecting with students on social media sites, emailing to personal email accounts, attending non-school related functions/functions that are not arranged by the school that would not require prior parent authorization. Teachers need to be the responsible party here. There are children out there who have hard lives and not the best upbringing; they are just not equipped to make responsible decisions. Think about it. If a child has no loving structure at home and is then approached by a teacher about a relationship, that is a recipe for disaster. That child is going to become so attached and desiring of any kind of relationship that brings love into his/her life.
When I was in school we never thought of teachers as being real humans. lol. It was always a shock to see one at a grocery store or driving around town. I can't imagine being Facebook (friends). If anything we tried to avoid adults socially!
I agree. I think schools should have a policy against teachers having students on their social media profiles as friends. That is a line that shouldn't be drawn. We don't need students to know how teachers are spending their free time, too personal.
Has everything to do with moral decline in our culture since the sixties , Impulse control on a personal level and moral accountability , And like it or not , laws that have a real bite to them !
Nothing! If teachers are all ugly then it makes it less likely that the students will want any, but those ugly teachers will always want some. And if drugs are involved they'll get what they want.
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