Jesus, time traveller or man ahead of his time?

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   luabuposted 14 years ago

   
   I have studied this man more than any other person in history?
   Your guess is as good as mine?

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      Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting. As you have studied him so extensively - would you mind providing me with a dozen or so contemporary references to him please? I have been unable to find any.

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         luabuposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Your guess is as good as mine?
         that's what i said /that's what i meant
         
         I have studied this man more than any other person in history?
         this is what i said/this does not mean that i am in any way highly educated
         sorry for giving that impression
         
         good up front challenge mark
         to be honest i take the new testament and the acts of the apostles in the bible
         i visualise the incidents/think and re think
         what would you call this self thought?
         i like famous peoples lives ie St Patrick /St Francis etc and i again re think their motives and lives
         i've tried to answer your question honestly now what about having a go at the question at the top of the page?

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            Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            So - you have read the bible then? Reflecting on the contents of the bible is not something I would consider to be "studying the man."
            
            Jesus the person did not exist. It is a construct to allow you to explore your psyche and improve yourself. Accepting Jesus Christ as your savior allows you to become Christ-like if you so wish and are prepared to be born again.
            
            Thinking of Jesus as an actual person who did something for you is a mistake and has been the root cause of many conflicts because you miss the point entirely which is that - You need to do the work. Most self-professed Christians take the easy peasy "I am OK Jack," option and never even understand what they are supposed to be following, and certainly do not actually become born again - they just say the words. One of our fellow hubbers has written an excellent explanation here:
            
            http://hubpages.com/hub/New-Born-Babies … -Jerusalem

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               luabuposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               hi Mark
               are we talking about the same Jesus
               the guy i'm talking about lived about 2000yrs ago near Jerusalem
               he said be like a  child if you want to come to me
               what jesus are you talking about
               sorry for the misunderstanding here
               we got our wires crossed
               luabu

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                  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  No - we did not get our wires crossed.
                  
                  Dismissing my opinion in that fashion after you specifically asked me for it is downright rude.

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               luabuposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               So - you have read the bible then? Reflecting on the contents of the bible is not something I would consider to be "studying the man."
               
               that 's what you said
               
               the new testament was the closest to a contemporary reference i would find
               sorry
               
               then you say    you need to do the work
               
               are you trying to put barbed wire around this man to stop us from having a look/ are you some sort of riot police/maybe even a roman?
               
               jesus said something like this
               
               Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.
               Luke 11:52

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                  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  I am trying to show you the path he opened for you. You are the one who is choosing not to enter by not doing any work.
                  
                  Yes - I agree there are no contemporary references to this man. So - you have "studied the man," through twelfth hand accounts written by people with a vested interest in showing you the wrong path. Which is why you are now accusing me of being a roman while reading the Roman's  book. Ironic.

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                     luabuposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     maybe  have a little lie down or something mark your'e probably just tired

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                        Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Ah - back to being rude and condescending when faced with something you do not understand. Christians tend to do that a lot I notice.

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                           luabuposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           hi mark
                                          if i were name calling me i'd call me a jesus freak /ie a man obsessed with a man called jesus
                                          if you called me a christian you would probably miss me completely
                                            there you go persecuting christians again /you are definately a roman
                           i'll leave the last word for you if you want it/too much tit for tat for me
                           we could both do this all day /waste of time
                           luabu

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                              Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              I am not name calling - you are the one being rude and condescending. You are indeed obsessed - how sad you completely failed to get the message. You are rude to me, I call you on it and you accuse me of persecuting you. Sounds familiar.

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      Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      From a Christian prospective ... 
         It is said that God  IS  the beginning and IS  the end;  which says that he is not bound by time as we understand it.
      
        Which would mean that he is a time traveler if and when he so chose to be.
      
         If we believe that God  IS  Alpha and  IS  Omega? 
      What other answer could be possible to the question than YES.
      
        Such a simple answer and yet this answer opens up an unlimited variety of possibilities.??

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         Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         When one believes in myths and superstitions, one is in no need of any other answers at all.

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            Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            SOMETIMES  yesterdays truths become todays so called myths
                             AND.............
            
              SOMETIMES   todays fantacy becomes tomorrows experiences.
              So truth as everyone precieves it, depends entirely upon which time and space we find ourself in.

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               Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Yes, for example, we find many of the myths and superstitions embraced by believers long ago are still embraced by believers today. Seems, it depends more on thinking and understanding than time and space.

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                  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  I am posatice that all atheists are not as one track minded as you appear to be.
                  
                    Why do you keep insisting that all believes believe the same things.

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                     Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Is there some reason you feel the need to attack me personally rather than stick to the subject matter?
                     
                     
                     
                     Where do I insist that, Jerami?

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                        Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        YOU wrote   ...Yes, I understand how believers confuse believing with thinking as they have no capacity for thinking and make the false assertion everyone else is like them.
                        - - - - -
                          As in your statement above,   You do not see where you group all believers in the same basket?    If I believed that I would think  ...  So Sad. 
                        
                            But I do not believe that you do not see;  so I think ...
                        Ssooo  SAD.

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                        Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        His statement was not an attack on you personally. It was an attack on your behavior/actions. He is describing, what your actions/behavior appears to him as- one tracked mind.
                        
                        If you find it an insult, then he must have been speaking the truth.

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                           luabuposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           hi cagsil
                           good to see you here
                           i'm  with jerami here /he thought this question had legs
                           lets say he believed that jesus was a man ahead of his time /like for example leonardo da vinci  / thats not myth or mystery
                           beelzedads comments in this case would seem slightly unreasonable and i would end up disagreeing with you .
                           what about an opinion cagsil /timetraveller or what?

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                           Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Thanks for adding to the personal insults.

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                              luabuposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              jerami said
                              Such a simple answer and yet this answer opens up an unlimited variety of possibilities.??
                              Beelzedad said
                              When one believes in myths and superstitions, one is in no need of any other answers at all.
                              
                              that can't really be expected to go down well
                              it's as dismissive as any religion on the planet earth
                              you were wrong and i told cagsil so
                              cagsil dropped it and contributed
                              jesus- the man -historical fact/man ahead of time/time traveller or what
                              Beelzedad- it's your brains we needt not your moods

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            luabuposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            beelzedad  /jesus is an historical fact  /right?

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         luabuposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         good answer /one for time traveller possibllity /
         keeping it real  jerami

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus son of man as he proclaimed in Bible and the Christians mistook him god or son of god; they are just mythical.

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         luabuposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         what about an historical fact/paarsurrey ?

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         luabuposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         sorry paarsurrrey
         jerami -one for time traveller maybe   
         put me down for open to suggestions
         paarsurrey  / a man probably a good man
         thanks for opinion /i didn't get it the first time/in truth i didn't listen correctly
         apologies
         luabu

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         pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         @paar may be muslim mistook christ and christ is actually what christians say he was....how about that?...

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            paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Prove it, please?

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            luabuposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            hi pisean
            paarsurrey says definately man /i say don't know/does the top statement strike a note with any of your beliefs or is it too far off base for you to contribute to this thread
            
            Jesus, time traveller or man ahead of his time?
            
            will time travel ever be possible?
            is this question a poisoned chalice?
            luabu

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      pennyofheavenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe he was both or none? l

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         luabuposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         i'll put you down for a definately maybe not  pennyofheaven

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            pennyofheavenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Haha, nothing is definite, luabu. Especially with me!

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   aka-djposted 14 years ago

   The Son of God.
   (not the picture)

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      luabuposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      the picture is from the Shroud of Turin Reconstruction
      aka-dj is right/just a visual stimulant and not something to get hung up on
      thanks aka-dj for sorting this out early in the thread
      the  shroud of Turin is for another day/and another hub
      the picture is good in that it is not a real person but it kinda might be someone/ a bit like our discussion
      just a visual stimulant
      luabu

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         Rishy Richposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         If you think that the Shroud of Turin is truly from Jesus, then it is highly possible that we might find his DNA in that. Are you ready to accept that we might be able to Clone the Son of god with those DNA?
         
         (Just a thought)

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            luabuposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            just a visual stimulant is what i said
            the turin shroud is there for any hubber that wants it
            it was either that or one of the movie pics /mel gibson or someone
            i don't know what jesus looked like
            i know he was a man/died about 30/ lived in Nazareth/contemporary of roman occupation in that area under ponscious pilate/an historical fact

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      luabuposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      hi aka-dj
      you said
      
      The Son of God.
      (not the picture)
      
      i agreed with the picture comment and tried to explain it
      
      is there any thing in the top question that you could reference your son of God statement to or is it too off base for your beliefs regarding Jesus

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   Uninvited Writerposted 14 years ago

   I met Jesus yesterday and he said he was a time traveller.

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      luabuposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      another one for time traveller
      do you think that time travel is possible
      are you a doctor who fan?
      luabu
      
      who asked you in here anyway ? uninvited  writer

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   Cagsilposted 14 years ago

   Jesus was a man ahead of his time, who was murdered/executed, for what today is no crime, due to rights of free speech.
   
   Blasphemy? It's absurd. It's absurd because there is no god to blasphemy against.
   
   Jesus' teachings were not religious, as far as aspects of a god. His teachings were in metaphoric parables, which he used to code his teachings to appear as religion, so he would be able to do his work. If it was found that Jesus was not teaching only religion to his followers, but something else, then it could threaten all ruler-ship of all lands, because chaos would ensue.
   
   Jesus was most certainly a man ahead of his time. His understanding of How to live life? Could be universal for peace, but the continuation of the OT must die for that to happen.
   
   Those who studied religion, some use it for their own benefit, corrupt Jesus' original message, which was derived from Love, Compassion and Mercy. Love thyself and others- Have compassion and mercy for those who do not know how. His work teachings of the God within- YOU as the individual to be God in your own life, through self mastery- control thoughts and actions.
   
   That's my take on it from studying on said topic.
   
   Edit: There is no god. The OT is the false god Jesus specifically warned his followers about. It's amazing people still think "God" is external, when Jesus claimed "God within".

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      luabuposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      cagsil /alot in this
      late here in the emerald isle and i want to give this attention tomorrow thanks

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      luabuposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      cagsil
      you have good points here i think
      you have placed jesus in an historical context which makes him real
      beelzedad needs to get his logical head around this and bring some good stuff to the table
      maybe he thinks that the past  is not real /i don't know
      he can talk for himself/
      
      the idea that Jesus is not really teaching the people religion at all is very interesting
      he uses the mantle of religous instruction to avoid the accucation of subversion/ good idea
      it would explain how the romans ignore him as just another jew talking at the street corner about their gods
      it would explain the hostility he received constantly from the established jewish church of the time/they made it their mission to catch him out

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      luabuposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      love compassion mercy  / your right /cagsil /thats what he was teaching
      in an ugly world he was a beacon of hope for the poor and the downtrodden
      
      i'll put you down for Jesus being
      
      a man ahead of his time
      
      we're going nicely now
      thanks Cagsil

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