Abrahamic God...Universal or Regional?

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   Rishy Richposted 14 years ago

   The Abrahamic religions are mainly world's three primary monotheistic faiths of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. The origins of Abrahamic religion are found in Judaism, which began in 1,400 BCE. Some 1,500 years later Christianity was formed by the followers of Jesus. Islam was founded by Muhammad in the 7th century CE upon the teachings in the Quran which also refers to past figures like Abraham. They are considered inextricably linked to one another because of a 'family likeness' and a certain commonality in theology. From a rational point of view, I always concluded that being in the same region, these three religions actually evolved from one another, a precise Religious Evolution!
   
   All these three religions share the concept of a Universal Creator God. However, If their God is universal, then why his message was limited in a specific region? Why the messengers were chosen from the same region again & again? And why peoples from other part(such as America) were neglected by God? Doesnt all these questions lead to one conclusion...Its no Universal God, just Evolution?

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      mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Evolution with no intelligence is not possible as evolution is also beyond the scope of the human till date.
      
      Its the way god works, beyond the human intellect, god works in mysterious ways.
      
      Its a supreme intelligence coordinating this cosmos with absolute perfection at all time or rather beyond time.This planet and all of us are puppets, peanuts for him to create , operate and destroy.
      Brahma, Lord of creation
      Vishnu- Lord of preservation
      Shiva- Lord of death
      
      
      Then man is god at the same time.
      
      America is a very spiritual country , there are mostly believers of god.

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      goldenpathposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Absolutely not, those sacred texts are only those known to the common world.  There are sacred records out there that detail even Christ's ministry here in the Americas.  There are records of a people who resided here in the Americas after separating from the Tower of Babel.  There are records of a Twelve Apostles here in America following the Crucifixion. 
      
      Yes, there are many more records out there yet undiscovered.  In time, when the world is ready, they shall be made available and shall complement the other records - thus becoming another witness.

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      pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      One God, different interpretations.

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   Jeramiposted 14 years ago

   OK  I'll use my imagination and try to think of something.
     How about?...  Life was created then evolved. Man was created !? Civilization grew and soon became more trouble than they were worth.
        FLOOD! FLOOD!
     He started all over. God; for no particular reason choose the Hebrew Nation to pick out of the crowd so that he could show his stuff to the rest of the world through them.
     Mankind took his word and made a religion out of it, made up all kinds of rules to play by. Mankind was doin it again!
   
     God said to his children, "Maybe i should start over again."
   
   One of his kids stepped up and said, "Daddy, I've got an idea."
   
   Remember the story Jesus told about the busbandman that said "No lets not cut this tree down yet. Let me prune it, and take care of it for a year and if it doesn't produce fruit then we'll cut it down"   Kinda like that.
   
     The son said I have an idea, let me go down there and show them a few things and see if I can alter their attitudes".
   
       They killed him thinking that they were getting away with something.
        But they didn't get away with anything cause this was his plan in the first place.
        God chose another group of people to take under wing sorta speak.  They also made a religion out of it. Sh--t.
      Now they are fighting against each other,
      Who knownswhat the rest of the plan is. ot me.
   
      Maybe that year is almost over that he was talking about. before they cut the tree down, if it doesn't produce good fruit.
      OK.   that is my SI FI for the day ??

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      Rishy Richposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Other than hundreds of flaws & incredible loopholes...I think ur idea was great

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         SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         What loopholes and what flaws?

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            Rishy Richposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            hmm...loopholes in ur thinking & flaws...in ur observation

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         Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         There will always be flaws and loopholes in any mans perseption or definition of who and what he/it is.

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            Rishy Richposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I Agree... but being a man in this 21st century, I refuse to accept the massive amount flaws & loopholes that your 2000 year old logic provides!

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               Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               No offence but you do not understand what my logic dictates.
               My logic is not 2000 years old. My logics may have it's roots embedded in a 2000 year old belief. That 2000 year old belief has gone through several dramatic changes. Christianity as it is known today is only about 1680 years old. And upon its beginning it has been in a constant change going in the direction that it has gone.
                  I think that everyone that calls them selves a Christian should drop every belief that they have been taught, and start all over, building a NEW faith.
                  Do not stubornly hold onto one that has been continuely rewritten and interpreted.
                  Build your own beliefs and not be satisfied with (as poor people would know as...) hand-me-downs.

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               mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               These are eternal truths , god is timeless .

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Hi friends
   
   Abrahami religions present the same Creator- God Allah YHWH, which is Universal but has different name due to languages.
   
   Since man has evolved as per the design of the Creator; we cannto say that with the time his concept have not been widened; nevertheless the Message from the Creator- God Allah YHWH has been the same all over the world to believe in ONE-God and to obey His commandments as communicated through the Messengers Prophets selected by Him.
   
   Thanks
   
   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Why is then that Jesus teaches to turn the other cheek while Islam teaches to lie and kill?

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         mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         They both teach peace an oneness.

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            Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, and black is white, up is down, and so on...

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   luvpassionposted 14 years ago

   In ancient times world media didn't exist. Teachings and traditions were handed down via ancient writings and word of mouth.
   
   Since many cultures have ancient legends as old as the religions you mention, is it hard to understand that these religions were more popular hence spread more quickly?

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      Rishy Richposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      R u with 'Evolution'?

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         luvpassionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Personally, No; however I am a seeker of truth and do not discount ideas based on religious bias

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            Rishy Richposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Gr8...& what is ur method for seeking truth?

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      Pandoras Boxposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Judaism spread and evolved so effectively because it was picked up by the greeks and romans. Greece as a center of commerce and Rome as congueror of the world.
      
      The influence of greek story telling is pretty obvious in the NT stories, and makes it very plausible that jesus never existed.

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         Rishy Richposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         & Islam spread because of its massive military campaigns. Muslim conquests of non-Arab peoples began after the death of the Islamic prophet Muhammad & continued till the end of 8th century. During this time they fought several major battles with major powers i.e. byzantine, persia etc. which changed the shape of muslim empire.
         
         Even Muhammad fought several battles in his lifetime & can be considered as the only warrior prophet we are aware of.
         
         If u look at muslim world population map today, u will learn that the most populated muslim regions are those which were once conquered or ruled by muslim empires.

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            Pandoras Boxposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Christianity spread the same way to a good extent, even after they started calling their soldiers 'missionaries'.

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               Rishy Richposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Exactly...& finally we see that its not the love of religion but the military & political influence which ensured the spread of these religions

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                  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Religions are build on the directions of the enlightened ones or knower's of god.
                  Its not what they teach.
                  
                  Where Muhammad is concerned he had to fight to save his life .
                  Krishna and Rama are considered as prophets both kings, warriors who fought battles and killed god knows how many

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            paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Hi friend Rishy Rich
            
            Islam spread by peaceful means due to the superiority of its teachings and the rational reasons. Battles only hinder the spread of a religion. Islam/Quran need no wars and battles for its spread.
            
            It is a wrong concept needs to be corrected.
            
            Thanks
            
            I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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               Rishy Richposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Lets look at some factual information & then decide
               
               Heres goes the Islamic Conquest List:
               
               1.1 Byzantine–Arab Wars: 634–750
               1.2 Conquest of Persia and Iraq: 633–651
               1.3 Conquest of Transoxiana: 662–709
               1.4 Conquest of Sindh: 664–712
               1.5 Conquest of Hispania: 711–718 and Septimania 719–720
               1.6 Conquest of the Caucasus: 711–750
               1.7 End of the Umayyad conquests: 718–750
               1.8 Conquest of Nubia: 700–1606
               1.9 Incursions into southern Italy: 831–902
               1.10 Conquest of Anatolia: 1060–1360
               1.11 Byzantine-Ottoman Wars: 1299–1453
               1.12 Further conquests: 1200–1800
               
               More Details:
               
               Byzantine–Arab Wars: 634–750
               
               Wars were between the Byzantine Empire and at first the Rashidun and then the Umayyad caliphates and resulted in the conquest of the Greater Syria, Egypt, North Africa and Armenia (Byzantine Armenia and Sassanid Armenia).
               
               Under the Rashidun
               The conquest of Syria, 637
               The conquest of Armenia, 639
               The conquest of Egypt, 639
               The conquest of North Africa, 652
               The conquest of Cyprus, 654
               
               Under the Umayyads
               The conquest of North Africa, 665
               The first Arab siege of Constantinople, 674–678
               The second Arab siege of Constantinople, 717–718
               The conquest of Georgia, 736
               
               Later conquests
               The conquest of Crete, 820
               The conquest of southern Italy, 827
               
               
               
               
               
               If you look at Muslim World Population Map today, u will find that most Muslim populated regions are those which were once conquered & ruled by the Muslims
               
               
               
               You are welcome...

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                  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Hi friend Rishy Rich
                  
                  You have not mentioned here about "Peaceful spread of Islam in Melanesia/Oceania". I have started a thread on that. Please see it.
                  
                  Thanks
                  
                  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                     Rishy Richposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Exceptions are not examples

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            mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I agree with you Islam has been spread with a lot of bloodshed and so has Christianity.

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               paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Hi friends
               
               I don't agree with our friend mohitmisra that Islam spread with bloodshed. Quran/Islam/Muhammad never advocated spread of Islam with sword. Islam always spread for its good teachings and non-violence. It is the politicians who did it; and it hindered spread of Islam.
               
               It is a wrong notion that Islam spread with sword or bloodshed. Islam never needed it as it has brillinat arguments and teachings in Quran which convince everybody of its truth.
               
               Thanks
               
               I am an Ahmadi peaaceful Muslim

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                  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  You don't seem to agree with any facts.
                  
                  
                  
                  You see, you do know and you do admit it was spread by the sword.
                  
                  
                  
                  It isn't a notion, it is a fact.

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   luvpassionposted 14 years ago

   I use many methods including the bible, other religions, science I review the information available...I pray and make decisions with an open mind, trusting the wisdom and experiences of older and more learned people regardless of their beliefs and I form my own opinions.
   
   Sometimes I believe I stumble on the truth...I don't dismiss it as such but continually anyalize and question

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      Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      add to that an outside perspective of both sides and that would be me...

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         luvpassionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         As it should be for all...even disciple's of Christ. A disciple is a learner. 
         
         John8;31-32  Jesus is speaking to people that believe in him.  Now He is taking them one step further in terms of truth.
         
         You have got to continue in it. It is not good enough to just step across the line with a measure of commitment acknowledging that what we have so far is true. There must be a continuous searching for more truth that pertains to this top priority in life

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            Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            You mean continue on with the search, I think....
            
            
            I believe "continue" in that verse in John 8 means to "abide" in the Truth that Jesus already had given them,  not to veer from it and not to continue on searching for any different interpretation of it.
            
            Once we have the Truth, Christians are not only to abide in it, but to spread it to the world.   Otherwise, there's no rest and no commitment when one keeps seeking some elusive "truth"......

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               Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               So - Pro-divorce is now the Truth?
               
               So far you seem to be pro divorce, pro adultery and pro war.
               
               This seems an odd position for god to take. almost - IDK - hypocritical.
               
               But - if you say that is your Truth - well- thanks but I am not interested in your religion.
               
               I am against divorce and adultery.
               
               Shame on you for promoting divorce and adultery.
               
               Shame.

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                  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  I wondered when you'd show up, Mark.
                  And indeed you must be interested or else you wouldn't keep stumblin' on my posts.
                  Are you jealous 'cause I've been talkin' more with earnest?  LOL
                  
                  Jesus Loves you Mark.  Accept it or deny it, your choice. Not the god of Islam, but the God of Abraham!
                  Now that's the Truth.

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                     Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     What does that have to do with your pro-divorce agenda exactly?
                     
                     I see you pushing your Truth of divorce and adultery - as a good person I feel the need to point out that divorce and adultery are wrong.
                     
                     Morally.
                     
                     Should I not say so? When I see you pushing your Truth - which includes divorce and adultery. What should I do? Be silent?

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                        Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Of course not, Mark.   
                        
                        I tell ya what, why don't you go make a thread about divorce and adultery, including the subject of Christians who've been divorced and forgiven for adultery,  instead of trying to bait me personally in this one?
                        
                        I may or may not respond.  But you just might get some other people to  help you clear up this moral dilemma that's in your mind.  I am done with responding in THIS thread, though.
                        

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                           Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Goodbye then.
                           
                           I was just responding to your claims to have Truth - which apparently includes a pro divorce and adultery agenda.
                           
                           I am morally opposed to that.
                           
                           It is wrong. Morally.
                           
                           No matter the excuses and lies you produce to push your pro divorce agenda. Wrong. Morally.
                           
                           But - you are a Christian - so I would not expect you to understand.
                           
                           Bye

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                        SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        

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   SirDentposted 14 years ago

   Pro 23:23  Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.

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   marinealways24posted 14 years ago

   G.O.D = Government On Demand

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friends
      
      God the Creator- Allah YHWH of everything in the heavens and earth.
      
      Thanks
      
      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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         marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         So the government says.

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   Pandoras Boxposted 14 years ago

   Funny thing is that the bible itself tells us not to believe in false prophets, not to trust your heart, to never have any other god but the OT god, etc etc, all kinds of stuff telling anyone who believes in it NOT to believe in christianity.
   
   So if there was a Jesus, who claimed to be a god nor was posited as a god, the jewish people had been commanded already to not believe in him.
   
   And all those 'personal revelations', and people saying they just know it's right, and Jesus is in their hearts and all that stuff, all of them ignore what the bible specifically says about that. At least in certain parts, albeit in other parts it may contradict.
   
   Surely someone will say there are no contradictions, and try and explain how those verses don't mean what they say, but anyone can as easily say the same about the verses they will use to prove otherwise, so good luck with that.

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      Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Mornin - PB
        I agree with ya and yet ..  I'm not going to say "ALL", but all too often when we read contradictions in prophetic scripture, it is created by false interpretations that we have been taught.
         Upon close scrutney we can understand one or the other verses, or both, to mean something other than what we have been taught.
         Due to these preconcieved ideas as to the meaning of what we are reading, we all to often miss the intended message.
         At least I think so

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         Pandoras Boxposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Mornin' to you Jerami, hope you're well.
         
         Yes! I fully agree! You guys have a bad habit of totally over-interpretting the thing!
         
         
         Love ya and you're a sweetie with obvious integrity, but I'm sure it's just the opinionated writings of long dead men and outright fables -with some more or less accurate historical information thrown in for good measure.
         
         But I won't rant at you this morning.

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   sagbeeposted 14 years ago

   I believe in universal god.. God is one and it has been taught in every holy book, may it be an Islamic Quraan or Geeta according to hindi mythology.. Or even Jesus Christ.. God is one and universal...

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend sagbee
      
      You are right; the Creator- God Allah YHWH is one; and it cannot be more than one; as the laws in the Universe are the same everywhere; hinting to ONE CREATOR. If there would have been many; then there would have been no laws/principles and hence no sciences; resulting to a chaos.
      
      Thanks
      
      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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         marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         We are in a chaos, we still act like animals.

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    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    Abrahamic God...Universal or Regional?
    
    Hi friends
    
    The Creator- God Allah YHWH is ONE and has always been ONE who is Universal. Buddha,Krisha,Zoroaster, Socrates, Abraham. Moses, Jesus ; all believed in ONE GodAllahYHWH, having different names in their languages yet depicting the same ONE person.
    
    Thanks
    
    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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       Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Yet, the message given to Christians is to turn the other cheek while Muslims message is to kill.
       
       Something seriously wrong here with your prognosis? 

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          Muslim guyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          The message in islam is not to kill. those who think so know nothing of islam.
          
          In the bible you have
          "Thou shall not kill"
          
          In islam you have
          "Whoever kills, kills the whole community. whoever saves a life, saves the whole community."
          
          If someone has any evidence against please post it. You have none though, because this is from a Quran.
          
          Islamic terrorists are people who say they are muslim, yet, the disobey one of the biggest rules in islam, witch is do not kill.

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             pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Seems Chrisitianity has had the same problem. It all comes down to peoples choices not the religion they follow in my opinion.

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             Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.
             
             2:193 And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.
             
             2:216 Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.
             
             2:244 Fight in the way of Allah, and know that Allah is Hearer, Knower.
             
             5:33 The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom.
             
             
             
             So what, there are no Muslims who follow all the rules in the Quran, hence using your logic, there are not Muslims even who say they are Muslims.

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