Inconsistency with moderation?

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   Cagsilposted 12 years ago

   Hey Staff,
   
   I'm sorry, but this is a bit sad. The inconsistency with moderation and flagging of hubs is getting ridiculous.
   
   Please teach your moderators what is actually provocative. It is unacceptable that a picture that shows a little skin is being flagged by the moderation team.
   
   I have a number of hubs that have been identified by other moderators and those hubs have been left alone. At one point or another, ALL of my Celebrity Hubs have been moderated by previous moderation people(staff members) and passed with flying colors.
   
   To have NEW moderators, pulling down hubs for NO BLATANT reasons, when the hubs have already been moderated is absurd.
   
   Thank you for your time.

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      KFlippinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

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         Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I am not sure how the HP staff moderates "hate" speech when it comes to hubs.

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            KFlippinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

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               Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I am not doubting your research or writing. I'm just saying I am not sure 'how' staff moderates such things as "hate" speech.
               
               I guess they would have to be able to differentiate between the "individual" speech of the writer and the evidence within the hub. Then again, I don't doubt their explanation, but would show the inconsistency I am ranting about.

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                  KFlippinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

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                     Jason Menayanposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     You've never had a Hub or even a forum post moderated for hate speech.

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   Cagsilposted 12 years ago

   Received email with regards to hub unpublished for several reasons, but moderator explanation isn't consistent.
   
   Yet, another prime example of the blunders happening on HP.

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      Disturbiaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      

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      Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      

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         Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Exactly Mark! It's not fun watching stupidity in motion.
         
         @Disturbia- yes another icon that displays the frustration provided by moderation members.

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            Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            OK Cagsil. Touche. Well played. Are we quits?

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               Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               What is that suppose to mean?

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                  Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  It means you nicely dealt with my attempt to use your rolleyes thing in a provocative way.  Therefore I have warmed to you as someone I might be able to rub along with, if not exactly on the same page.

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                     Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Oh, okay. Good to know.

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   Cagsilposted 12 years ago

   More inconsistency with moderation-
   
   Just received yet another email with regards to my unpublished hub for adult content? Is BS! Plain and simple.
   
   Not to mention, the supposed "unrelated" links were in HP's RSS FEED and it was based on the KEYWORDS "Kirsten Dunst".
   
   How did the RSS FEED come up with something that wasn't related?
   
   Staff makes no sense.

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   Mishaposted 12 years ago

   Hey Cags, check my profile for a new site where you can say what you think about current HP events, without being moderated down. It's called hubRages

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      Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Hey Misha, I've seen it. But, thank you kindly.
      
      On a side note- I'm glad you said something about it, so others can find it as well.

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      mistyhorizon2003posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Great idea Misha, a place for disgruntled Hubbers to Vent

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         Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Hey Misty, it's not like there are not several other places already ranting about HP or it's staff, but one more certainly cannot hurt.

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            mistyhorizon2003posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            LOL, it is healthy to vent, and 'you can never have too much of a good thing'

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               Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Agreed.

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         Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I do hope it's just a place for Hubbers to vent like adults, and not a place for children to be vindictive, make up conspiracy theories and drip vitriol, like the old HubPages Sucks site.

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            Mishaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            It's a free place Marisa, and everybody is free to say what they think. Seeing how hubpages treat their writers as totally mentally disabled, one would expect much more childish response over there. So far it was quite grown up conversation.

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   Cagsilposted 12 years ago

   What is going on with HP Staff moderators? Unbelievable.
   
   I received an email with specific information about fixing it and I fixed it.
   
   However, ads have been disabled on the exact same Hub? What gives?
   
   Is that an example of how HP staff is training their moderators? If so, it's certainly doesn't display confidence in members.

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   sunforgedposted 12 years ago

   Wow . you got an email! Im jealous. You came out the plus side on that inconsistency. You should play the lotto today.
   
   
   
   I was looking for a big winner , lotto guy type smiley but this creeped me out so I figured i would share it instead

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      Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      
      
      Thank you Sunforged.

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   Cagsilposted 12 years ago

   My email has gone unanswered.
   
   I want to know why ads have been disabled on the Hub I just fixed to be compliant.
   
   It was nice that they republished it, but it isn't of any value to me, if the ads are not on the hub.

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      Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Grrrrrrrrrr....frustrating.  I know just how you feel.
      
      Mistakes are happening due to the inexperience of some of the moderators.  I suppose we have to allow for them to be human.  Doesn't make it any less annoying, though!

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   psycheskinnerposted 12 years ago

   Surely each page should have a moderation history so mods can just see it has already been looked at and passed, to avoid repetition?

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      Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      It was a unpublished hub by them. They requested I fix it and I have, and they approved it for republication. Yet, ads are disabled? To me that makes no sense.
      
      It makes no sense why the moderator who moderated it for approval, didn't bother to ensure ads were enabled.
      
      

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         mistyhorizon2003posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Yes, I had that happen on one of mine some weeks back. I was so fed up of all the hours I had wasted deleting Clickbank Links and RSS Latest Hub feeds by then, I just unpublished it again myself and am intending to move it elsewhere.

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   Cagsilposted 12 years ago

   Still I haven't received a reply to my email, nor has the moderation team put the ads back on the hub THEY requested I fix.
   
   The hub was fixed....so why am I still being penalized.

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      Cardisaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I had the exact same problem with my Yeast infection article. No ads on it, for a subject that is so popularly searched on Google. I took out all the 'vagina words' and still no ads allowed.

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         Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         You have to send an email to the staff, so a moderator can look at the hub, so they can approve the hub. If you make changes to a hub that has ads disabled, you must contact them to let them know changes were made. They do not come back to see if you did make changes. Since you made changes from the original moderation, and since a moderator manually turned off the ads, then you need to contact them, so as to get them turned back on.
         
         My hub was approved, but the ads have been disabled for NO reason.

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            Cardisaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            The hub was published but no ads. I will email them.
            
            Thanks!

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               Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               You're welcome.
               
               Remember, there is an auto-filter. If the hub was not moderated by a real person, then you can fix the hub to get the ads put on. If the hub was moderated and ads were disabled, then the email is required.

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                  Cardisaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Thanks again! you are great!

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                     Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     You're welcome again.
                     
                     Apparently, I am not so great, when I cannot even get HP to fix my hub.

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    Cagsilposted 12 years ago

    YAY! I have ads back on the hub I fixed.
    
    However, I guess I didn't warrant an answer to my email. I mean, if it was a simple mistake then why not admit it? Be humble?
    
    I guess it really doesn't matter since the hub has it's ads.

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       Cardisaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Hurray!! Congrats Cagsil!!

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          Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Strike that. The ads are still disabled. Foolish me, was looking at the wrong hub.
          
          My mistake. Sorry.

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             hubpagesuckballsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

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                Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                Are you a dude or a dudette? Not that it really matters, but your posts in this thread are non-productive and actually quite useless.
                
                Having your account deleted, regardless what your authorscore was at the time, is also meaningless. It's obvious that it wasn't this account, but you've managed to make a secondary account, just to come to the forums to post your rant.
                
                It's not a surprise, but childish antics isn't actually going to solve anything.

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                   recommend1posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                   I have to step in here - I agree with Cags that retorts don't solve anything, and yet if my account had been dumped I might not agree so much ?
                   
                   The whole point of this thread is that things are not being dealt with properly, on time, or with any clear intelligence.
                   
                   That it should cause a revolt from the normally supportive Cags is also the point, not that some dumped article spinner is p!ssed off !
                   
                   I am at mid-popint now between staying and just forgetting this place - I want to invest a few dozen articles here - but is it safe ??

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                      Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                      It would be safe. However, make sure that your articles are not the primary focus. Meaning, do not make the articles, so as to point somewhere else. Make other locations to point to your articles. Only reason being is because other places might actually rank better than HP, so those other places would have more visibility vs HP's articles.
                      
                      One way links are better than two way links. Creating a bunch of one way links connected to any other page other than HP would do more good for you.
                      
                      I hope that helps Recommend.

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                         recommend1posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                         Thank you for that - but I am well aware of the value of linking - however, having articles mature here with their links to my sites (and other sites that I bring within my scope) to then have the articles here unpublished at the whim of a change in TOS or an incompetent mod is hardly a good business proposition is it  ?

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                            Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                            I cannot speak for HP staff and wouldn't want to either, because of their recent actions. However, as I said- your articles on HP should be the final destination for your links. You shouldn't be linking to anything that is yours, but should link to referencing sources that re-affirm what you've written in your articles here.
                            
                            That's all I was trying to state, but failed.

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                               recommend1posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                               No you did not fail - I just don't agree with you
                               
                               If I choose to use Hubpages as a place for articles that point to my own site then that benfits both myself and HP, and is what I do at this time and is what HP are happy with - so there is no argument there.
                               
                               With reference to your situation with HP -and my response to it - I am not about to put up a load of articles for some dimwit to choose to unpublish them (for any incorrect reason) am I ???

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                                  Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                  Personally, I think I'm clear enough about the new rules that I'm pretty sure I could avoid the risk of unpublishing in future. 
                                  
                                  However, it's unlikely I'll write any more Hubs to promote my websites.  I already have several Hubs promoting each of them.  There's limited benefit in having multiple backlinks all from one domain, and HubPages is one domain.  So my focus now is to write across as many different rev-sharing sites as possible.

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                                     recommend1posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                     This is exactly correct I would say,
                                     
                                     a reasonable number of hubs with really relevant material on as many sites as possible - there is still the advertising that is not to do with ranking, just advertising, and that has a value of its own and can be worth a lot of hubs - hence I need to know if they are going to fall foul of any future TOS change before I put in the time and effort.

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                                        Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                        I'm not quite following?  Do you mean the advertising income is worth a lot of Hubs, or the exposure for your website is worth a lot of Hubs?

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                                           recommend1posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                           Sorry - I was rushing out and did not make it clear. 
                                           
                                           Putting a direct link to my website in a hub article is more about direct advertising than linking and following.  It sits there and people will occasionally click on the self promoting ad - currently there are about 30  hubs out there with an 'ad' link and the main site gets small but constant traffic from those 'ads'; about 15 per day. Maybe it is the same thing ?  Those hubs that have relevant content might be considered a link, others that mention it in passing I see mor as an ad.

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                                              Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                              Ah, I see what you mean.  I'd still say that if you already have a good number of Hubs with that link, then it makes a lot more sense to write several articles on Infobarrel, Xobba, Excerptz, etc etc before you come back and write more Hubs - because that way, you get the benefit of the backlink AND the direct advertising, over a variety of sites instead of just one.

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                         Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                         But I think that's what Recommend1 wants, Cags.  He has a website or blog which he wants to promote, and is considering posting articles here to get backlinks.
                         
                         I see no problem with that - provided he limits the links to two per Hub.

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    Williamjordanposted 12 years ago

    Due to Bad Moderation I have deleted over forty Hubs How do I get my Photos before I leave officially I paid for most of the rights to use them, do they now belong to Hub pages in I just loose the money I spent on them. I have paid for a couple of Hubs to be rewritten and the moderators still said sub standard is the people at the stop even listening to any of us this is bad. So long
    Hub Pages  Hope to see some of you at some of the other sites they have approved a lot of the stuffed that was flagged about ten are features, the rest are on my blog the God Centered Life or Today With Williamjordan both are getting good traffic I have four blogs on WordPress that I will be spending more time on Yahoo content and Helium have accepted some work I submitted to them. But this was my favorite site hope thing get better I have a 117 hubs still standing I will be checking on them at least once a week bye.

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       Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       No, everything you have posted on HubPages still belongs to you.

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