Islamic war concept
I think it definitely speaks the way people are. I don't know that there is anyone in the world who wouldn't try to defend themselves if someone tried to harm you. I believe that the body/mind can do thing automatically without much of your own control.
When someone goes to hit you, you put your guard up and it is instinctive.
While my dad is not in anyway religious, he has brought me up saying. If you get in a fight, you better be damn sure that you, yourself did not throw the first punch. Otherwise I will not back you up.
Of course my dad would also say, "If someone wants to hurt me, they better be sure they kill me." It's my dads way of saying he knows the perpetual cycle of human nature.
I also think that God has actually made people to be defenders, not murderers.
I do believe that peace is at the heart of all religions and for most people. I don't believe there is anything we can do about the "bad people" ruling the world.
It's a weird thing. I half understand why some religions do it but at the same time, I cannot understand why they take the innocent people with them.
If someone hit me and I had every right to hit them back, I certainly would go and hit someone else instead. lol. That doesn't make sense.
But really, I think that fighting in the way of God, is that we defenders of our spirituality. Peaceful and good to each other, helpers of each other etc... because that is God's way. God's way against people who don't like God is that He doesn't do anything for them. They are left to themselves.
And I do believe in the Armageddon, it will be a war "false believers vs. disbelievers." Those who are made to be defenders will sit wayside with the believers helping them, defending them, keeping them out of harms way etc... not aggressive in nature, not with hate in their hearts but driven by compassion and love, to be a human wall ready to take a bullet for the ones they love.
Life is craZy!
You are not here on this planet to be abused or insulted by anyone ,defending yourself is your birthright.The prophet Muhammad had to during his time.
For your kind info BUSH also used his common sense
My kind? You have a nice day too.
For god who has created this cosmos what is the big deal of past, present and future.He knows everything he has created all.
The prophet Muhammad was great and he taught tolerance.
Very nicely written.Allah means the same god or the one god.
Allah means the one god.
I don't rise to the bait every time and the meaningless garbage here is not really interesting. I do love seeing the religionists fight about whose religion is the most loving and peaceful though
So here you are and I also agree with you.
correct it is very difficult to translate-it is very condensed philosophy where a single word can change the meaning.
Many Greek words can mean more than one thing, and others can have no meaning in English.There will be so much you will not understand like- "when thy eye be single" or "I am the light". This understanding is possible only by an enlightened one, someone who has gone beyond like Jesus.
I agree with you. I live in France and speak acceptable French, pretty good Dutch and sloppy German. We often have conversations using all four languages because some words just do not translate. I remember having some good arguments over translations of Milton Dante and even Shakespeare.
Any one who thinks they can be clear in translating from an ancient language into a modern one already knows what it saysI would add any language ancient or modern , to translate it to another language and have the same essence will be very difficult.
There is a lot of poetry in the Bible and Quran where two lines can have lot of meaning.
No question. Odd they accuse scientists of "guessing," as well........
It is extremely difficult to translate a spiritual test into another language as the meaning can be easily lost.There is too much depth. Do not remember the name of the translation( Holy Quran) which I have with me and keep reading from time to time but I can understand the essence of it.
You require someone who is in a very high frequency, someone who has understood the meaning to translate a spiritual text and has a good command over both languages.
that's right ...
Man communicates with god.
God works through man.
You are a good man Eng.M and its my pleasure.
what's the point of fight in it. If some teacher teaches 2+2=5 which is wrong and another comes and corrects him or students that 2+2=4 then where is the fight matter???
The fight starts when truth does not goes down the throat of any mischief creator and repeatidly lays false allegations on the exposed truth.
If someone agrees with my view point then they are most welcome and its their choice, if someone disagrees then its also their choice and if someone wants to discuss an issue then i think it must be in a beutiful manner and language with supporting examples and evidences
I'm glad there are experts in that field also. I take their expertise by "faith" also.
- Intelligence understand its limitations,I myself do not understand some passages from the Holy Bible and Holy Quran
Thank you Mark, and Sufi. You have made my day.
The reality is that the primary message of the Bible is made MORE than CLEAR. You may argue over words, or interpretations or even translations, but that's missing the "forrest for the trees"Aha !
And there have never been any disagreements over what it says in the bible. Because it is so crystal CLEAR.
Unfortunately - the things that unite us are usually a threat.
Aha! Now this is a perfect example of one person saying one thing and another person not understanding what the message is.
The thing that usually unites people is some sort of outside threat. You know - like all the religionists banding together to campaign to get rid of people who do not agree with their beliefs.Or,like atheists rubbishing believers, untill they get off HP?
I do not band together with anyone to get rid of anyone else. None of the people I have ever associated with were of such ideology. Nor are the "teachers" I listen to motivated by such concepts.
But I have to remember, the OP is "off topic" to what I'm talking about.
Or love
Exactly, which is way you very rarely see me involved in religion vs religion arguments - they seem to be a waste of time. To be fair, I can't remember seeing you denigrate another religion, so I think that we are in broad agreement there
Partly due to the killing and the idea of a vengeful God - something that goes against every grain of my being. I would turn my back upon a God that kills the firstborn, for example.
The other reason is that I am too much of a scientist and historian to accept the OT as truth. To me, it is a story based upon some historical events, much like the Iliad.Probably true for much of the west, although Greece is very different. Historically, culturally and geographically, it is much closer to the East. Greek Orthodoxy encourages introspection and mysticism, just what you would expect in the land of philosophers.
Here, philosophy is the driving force underpinning society, which is why I am in love with the placeUndoubtedly there is some, although much of that came via Islam - any culture is made up of many things. I know little of the Serbian Orthodoxy, so could not comment
From my own experiences here, though, I have had many conversations with priests, and they very rarely use the OT. Aristotle, Plato and Jesus make up the majority of any theological discussion.
Add to this that many Greek traditions and morals arise from way before the bible, and it is a very complex picture. Greek kids are taught philosophy from a young age, so their morality is based more in Aristotle's ethics than the commandments of Moses.
Back to the original point, just because there is some OT influence in the west does not mean that I have to like it or take it as a literal truth. On a personal note, I see little of the OT in my life - my morals and ethics arise from a completely different source.
- pgrundyposted 14 years ago
0pgrundy- I cannot remember now but aren't you the one with Clairaudience ability, the bhajans in the morning?
No, that was an Indian thing. As you can see, it hasn't helped me evolve any.
I think I mentioned it before that these powers are called siddhis , everyone does not have them ,they belong to the evolved
This is what I was trying to say earlier on psychic abilities, you may be clairaudience but not necessarily telepathic or clairvoyant so this field is too vast and impossible to really measure some ones caliber..I know, I love Hinduism. But I'm really kind of whiny and pissy as a human being. I don't say this to be down on myself or self-abusive, I'm just saying, I'm clearly NOT evolved.
I have an interest in Hindu chant. Lots of Kirtan tapes in my car.You are just being nice and don't want to offend anyone.These powers come only after a lot of meditation,you have to be in tune with the cosmos or god,something all humans are not, call it evolution or whatever you want to
I know what you mean, and I don't want to derail this thread, but honest, I'm NOT just being nice. I had a spontaneous sort of weird experience and now these weird things happen to me sometimes. But I'm not Gandhi, trust me.
Maybe I will write a hub about it and we can have a discussion there. It kind of runs in my family.
I am really interested in chant though. Thanks for saying something nice here!
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