How the earth came about - in the eyes of a Pagan

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   kittythedreamerposted 12 years ago

   What do you all believe as far as creation/evolution, a little bit of both? As a Wiccan we believe in a creation of sorts, that ties into evolution in certain aspects (at least I do)...what do you all believe...and I'm asking the Pagans here.

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      TMMasonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I won't be in this conversation, but I wanted to say that if you want to read a really good book regarding ancient mythologies and religion, you should pull/google up, -Alexander Hislop, "The Two babylons"- it is a fairly in depth look/exegesis and conparative study of ancient religions mythologies and christianity and judaism.
      
      I think you would find it very interesting.
      
      http://philologos.org/__eb-ttb/default.htm
      
      Of course Catholics dispise this book... it is a strike against their church and Papal system after all.

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         kittythedreamerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks TM, I'll have to look into that.

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         lone77starposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         TM, that sounds awesome. I'm going to check it out, too.

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      AEvansposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      What do you all believe as far as creation/evolution, a little bit of both? As a Wiccan we believe in a creation of sorts, that ties into evolution in certain aspects (at least I do)...what do you all believe...and I'm asking the Pagans here.
      
      
      So you believe in two Gods? A goddess and a God? How do you believe we have evolved? With respect to your belief I am quite curious. I am a Christian that will not pass judgement upon you, I am just interested in your belief system. It's intriguing.
      
      
      Have you thought about taking these threads and making them into hubs? They are very debatable.

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         kittythedreamerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         They are two, but in the same, one. Yes, I believe in a god and goddess. They could be referred to as many different names, but they are one in the end. As far as how the world was created, I believe that the god and the goddess created it together...in their union sprang forth life. And so it continues every day, in the birth of animals, in the birth of humans, the life cycle, and death...and then rebirth.

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            AEvansposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            That is a wonderful way to look at things. Man and woman working together, now that is what I can appreciate.

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      deblippposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Wicca is pro-science, pro-thought, pro-analysis, pro-rationality. We see spirituality as side-by-side with rationality; in general, we don't approach life as either/or but as both/and.
      
      The Wiccan philosophy of polarity and the interaction of polar energies is absolutely consistent with what science understands as the Big Bang.
      
      There is a lovely little book that describes a Wiccan theology of creation that I highly recommend: http://www.amazon.com/Divine-Struggle-F … mp;sr=8-11

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      Greek Oneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      are you a good witch or a bad witch?

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      Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      If there was one, it could not know itself so two had to be created, thus the duality of life.

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   knolyourselfposted 12 years ago

   Continuous creation and depletion. No beginning and no end.

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      kittythedreamerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Thumbs up!

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   summerclark7387posted 12 years ago

   AEvans-, it is refreshing to know that you won't pass judgement, as many people do.  You might gain some information from my hub "A Pagan Evolution"  http://summerclark7387.hubpages.com/_kb … -Evolution  It gives a brief overview of what it is to be Pagan, and it links to some other hubs that you may be intereseted in.
   Me personally, I believe in divine energy.  It resides in all things, there would be no life without it.  It is this main energy, also called The One, that I personify into a Goddess and a God.  Masculine and feminine, yin and yang, sun and moon, earth and sky etc...  The deities that I have chosen are the Father Sun, and Mother Earth, I feel it is the most basic, because without them we don't exist.
   The beauty of being Pagan is having the freedom and ability to pick and choose from any religion, any belief system, to create your own unique spiritual path.

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      AEvansposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I will be reading those in a few minutes and I am very open-minded.
      
      
      
      "Knowledge is the key to understanding each other." AEvans

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         kittythedreamerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Awesome to know you're so open, AEvans. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

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            AEvansposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Always! Your hub was also very interesting and really had some facts in it. It was a great read.

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      AEvansposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I read it. It is very interesting! Thanks!

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   IzzyMposted 12 years ago

   I am so glad I read this thread!
   
   It made me realise there are more important things out there than worrying about how to pay the latest electricity or water bill that has landed on my mat.
   
   Thank you!
   
   The creation of world, which happened oinks ago, takes precedence.

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      kittythedreamerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I enjoyed it thoroughly, too! Thanks!

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   paradigmsearchposted 12 years ago

   It came from entropy (possibly with a little help). And it will return to same (as soon as the experiment is concluded).

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   earnestshubposted 12 years ago

   Hislop, the crazed Presbyterian church of Scotland zealot?
   
   Here is some of his belief.
   
   According to Hislop, Constantine, though claiming to convert to Christianity, remained pagan but renamed the gods and goddesses with Christian names to merge the two faiths for his political advantage, under Satan's guidance.
   
   The guy was a loony tune!

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      kittythedreamerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Why does it have to be that he was under Satan's guidance?

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         earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         You would need to ask one of Hislop's friends, the only reason I think he believed that is because he was loony.

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      TMMasonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      His conclusions are his own... but the facts are the book is thuroughly researched and connected through linguistics and Historic fact. And anyone who doesn't believe the Catholic Church is infected with Paganism doesn't have a clue about Catholocism or Paganism.
      
      As I said his conclusions are his own... but the facts produced by his years of study and research are pretty much indisputable.
      
      http://www.whitehorsemedia.com/docs/THE … BYLONS.pdf
      
      This comment sums it up pretty well... many do not like the route he takes in the end of the book as to Revelations.
      
      "The Two Babylons is a book that must be read with great care. The author was vehemently Protestant in his approach. This prejudice notwithstanding, he documents many of the permutations of mythical persons and connects them with Biblical figures in ways not easy to dispute. The value of this book lies in its use by researchers. Many books of this nature are no longer in print. Once scholars tag a book as inaccurate, the good is often thrown out with the bad. Hislop ventures into territory better left alone towards the end of the book severely damaging his own credibility. His careful documentation of sources in the rest of the book wins the day, however, and makes it gripping reading for newcomers to the greater Mysteries."

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         Evolution Guyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         How is your cult not "infected," with the same thing.
         
         Any fool knows Christians stole previous belief systems to fool and manipulate people such as yourself. This is common knowledge. Not a single word of original text in the bible. Everything was stolen.

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            TMMasonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            oh?... you think I'm a protestant... not quite.
            
            I do not belong to any religious denomination.
            
            I am simply a Christian.

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               Evolution Guyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               LOLOL Sure - your cult is infected as well then. Sorry you do not understand that - your Majik book is the same majik book that the Catholics use.
               
               Hope that helps you to understand better.

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                  TMMasonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  You're too funny.
                  
                  You spout myths about human evolution... and laugh at something else that requires the same "FAITH" to believe as your BS.

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                     Evolution Guyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Yes - I can see why you would need to think that. The truth is rather painful.
                     
                     Or - are you saying you use a different majik book to the Catholics? My mistake. What is yours called?

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   summerclark7387posted 12 years ago

   I thought this forums was for different Pagans to share their beliefs, but somehow has become a "who's right" topic.  Not surprising, since non-Pagans always try push they're beliefs on us.
   Sometimes I wish we Pagans would try to gain converts like the other religions do, just so the world would be an open and loving place... We don't though, because we don't threaten others with damnnation and hell.  There is no right religion.  Each person's spiritual path is their own.  I don't care what you believe, so I hate it when people judge me for mine.
   Ohh and it drives me NUTS when people think being Pagan means worshipping the devil... UGGH! Lets open our minds to other beliefs, shall we?

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      Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting statement considering it's a public forum for community members, regardless of belief. If you don't like that, then take it up with HP.
      It would be nice if fantasy was actually left out of reality like it's supposed to be.
      But, that doesn't make your belief any more true than any other religion, especially based on reality.
      Actually, there's only ONE true religion and it's called existence(Life).
      That's the thing...spirituality is based on mysticism. Mysticism was debunked decades ago as being individually dishonest.
      Then change your perception or learn more about perception itself.
      Beliefs? Beliefs are not true, just like having "faith" in certain things. Both are just irresponsible people being dishonest with themselves, because the feel the need to, due to fear of the unknown and self.

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         summerclark7387posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I'm well aware this is a public forum, one that asks other Pagan's what they believe.  Like I said, it has instead turned into an argument of who's right and who's wrong.
         In my earlier post I said that I worship Life's Energy, how is that different than what you said of the one true religion being existence, life itself?  I find it hard to understand why you feel you have the right to judge my beliefs.  Because thats exaclty what they are... MINE.
         I said it earlier, and will say it again... Lets open our minds to other beliefs!  Closed minds wreck worlds.

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            Greek Oneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            your negative reaction to the possibility of my making fun of your belief system hurts me.. and almost prevents me from doing so in another post

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            Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            It always turns out that way when you have fundamentalist from both sides.
            You shouldn't actually worship anything. Which is my point.
            Judge your beliefs? I don't. I judge your actions.
            Good for you. Try learning more about "beliefs".
            As long as the beliefs are based on reality, sure. Otherwise, no.
            Yes, they do. However, I certainly hope you're not insinuating I've a closed mind, but that would be a blatant lie.

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   knolyourselfposted 12 years ago

   The ability to believe anything is the gateway to understanding.

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      Evolution Guyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Not really - no. It is the gateway to speaking nonsense - as you have proven on many occasions.
      
      Understanding requires a skeptical approach. You understand nothing.
      
      LOL

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   knolyourselfposted 12 years ago

   Not going to understand you unless I believe you it seems to me.

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      Evolution Guyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Not going to understand? It seems that way - yes. Nothing to do with beleebing.
      
      LOLOL

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    knolyourselfposted 12 years ago

    Which is it?

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    victor2322posted 12 years ago

    I believe that we will most likely not know the answers we are seeking. At least not in this lifetime. I also believe that too many people try to pass their "belief" off as a "fact." After that, you have people arguing semantics about subjective evidence that they are trying to pass off, as objective.
    
    And for what it's worth, I am a Christian. A Christian who has several friends who are atheist.

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       kittythedreamerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       very well put, victor. I applaud you.

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