Heaven and Hell: Customizable for the Individual?
- klarawieckposted 12 years ago
0Just sharing my insights..
One - People lie, why wouldn't spirits? [just saying
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Two - A state of consciousness is what you are experiencing right now, every day. This 'state' of consciousness depends on an external world (if it was internal you'd just be talking to yourself forever, fun huh? lol] on which to exist in. [A real place?]
If a place isn't real but is a state.. Then where does this 'state' exist? Within your mind? Then we move to where does your 'mind' 'exist'? [etc, etc you'd never find the 'place']
A place is a location, and a location is a relative position to things around you, even in spirit this applies as if you exist you are relative in location to something else, otherwise you are non-existent.
Therefore, if there is no 'place' then there is no 'existence' which is essentially 'nothing'..
Even data has to have a 'place' or 'location' to exist or it DOESN'T exist.
If there is no 'real place' then there is nowhere for a 'state of consciousness' to exist.Well, your certainly right that I cannot give anyone proof, as even if it is proof, there is always a way to set a guilty man free if your lawyer is good enough.. Even with proof, all you need is sufficient doubt.
But, I will say that there being no place, seems to have no clue to be even considered from my work/study/learning/view.
A spotless glass plate window is not seen by birds at times who are very aware little creatures, and yet once they fly into it - they find that what looks to lack substance indeed packs a very hard lesson of substantial proof of substance.
The universe is filled with unseen material we look right through. Yet every particle is relative to one another. Even a spirit has to have a location to exist.
If we are alive, and so is a spirit. And the spirit is somewhere where we are not. That means there is another place, location, realm, dimension.. whatever you want to call it.. They are somewhere 'else'.. [because we aren't there]
I know you probably still disagree, but I've did more work in 'spiritual' matters than I could convey in 200 lengthy hubs.
I understand your empire state building theme, about perspective.. But even it shows relativity as they are 'viewing' 'things' from different 'angles' hence different 'locations'... [mindset is where one's 'mind' is 'set']
Even files in a pc or phone are relative to each other by location.
Everything science has ever encounted is relative to other things by location.
Paranormal activity normally happens in specific locations. Spirits aren't everywhere at once. [location, location, location] lol
So though you disagree, I [kindly] can't conclude otherwise.
Nothing any human has ever encountered [ scientifically, or personal account testimony ] agrees with opposite.
( Just something I can't see not being true )http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_(illusion)
It's an illusion. One day we'll wake up from this long dream and we'll realize that we are all but waves of an endless ocean.
LOL, you are so cute little miss cheesy.
I see the list, but what exactly do you mean?
It seems your link still supports my assertion sweety.
(from what I'm seeing)
Help me out on what you mean?
I must say, I like you no matter what your view. You make me smile a lot.The "cute miss cheesy" is new to me, but I am used to not being taken seriously, which is fine by me because I don't have a real concern for how others see me . . . that is, since I don't really exist and there is no time or space
What I mean is that what we think we perceive is nothing but an illusion. Time and space are concepts that are part of this illusion but they seize to exist in Spirit. Let's just say that while we are living our human experience, we need to have things molded to our needs for many reasons, but mainly - because we are placed in this body to learn many lessons. The most important one is to let go of all physical attachments. So we reincarnate over and over again until we get it right. But in all truth, our reincarnations are happening at the same time even though we think of time as linear. That's how many people are able to see the future, because they have mastered the art of getting access to that future life. It's like the butterfly effect. It gives me a headache just trying to think of a way to explain this to you, Vector! Ah! I need tylenol! I can't do this today! It's almost midnight and I had a beer a while ago. And I NEVER drink, so I'm a bit tipsy!I may not take things that make no sense to me seriously, AFTER I process the implementation of the idea into the event, subject, or operation.
But I DO take you seriously.
The human mind and brain are very powerful and have seperate and multiple perspectives. But, I do seriously filter based on what I can estabilsh as logical, reasoned, and true.
As far as everything being illusion, then someone must control said illusion no? Otherwise we should/would have capability to mold/manipulate the 'illusion' to erase pain, bring rules of physics into subjection to our demands and create whole new dimensions simply by thought.
To put it simply.. I'll re-state what a wise man once said.
"Pinch yourself."
If the pain from a screaming man on fire can be said to be an illusion by those standing without, I don't think under any circumstance, ever, [if he lives] he will agree as the opposite of illusion is reality - and I believe he will hold that his pain was real even to his deathbed.
Just sayin.
Now as far as time is concerned, I think you are on a path most who have an alternate view of time take. But it simply is not so. (can't be cuz vector says so, lol)
Relativity explains time, and that it is not the same speed for everything, nor does it control the objects or material in existence.
I'll try to make this simple.
Time is linear [vector] - it only has one direction and events aren't subracted but added. Nothing is reversed but counteracted. Once a rock falls through the surface of a body of water the ripples will form and will not stop or turn back toward the center unless an equal force times 2 and directly oppsite is formed and implemented to redirect the energy the rock tranfered when entering.
Time is simply a measurement of speed and relationship. There are certain atoms that decay at a certain rate if they are not excited. If these atoms are then excited and begin moving at a super high rate of speed, they don't decay as fast and therefore live longer than if their motion is left sluggish in comparison. They move farther into the future because they are faster, and therefore the time at which they cease is farther down the vector in comparison to it's relative surroundings.
But, time itself is just a tool to measure this difference in speed and relationship. Take time away and what is stretched out here compacts into a dimension sort of like photos in a movie flip book. The flip book is only a minute part of eternity though..
This isn't an exact description with absolute accurate terminology though. But if you search through the principles and understand Eienstien's Relativity then it should be obvious whst I'm describing. That is, if you don't pick-it-apart by the letter.. lol - And like I said, that's the short version so it's not super perfect.
And then as well, I am just a man.
LOL, I like it when you get flustered explaining your view.. it's soo cute.
Drinky drinky bad for you drunky. just teasin. [btw, does that explain everything being 'illusion' to you? lolol - picking PICKING.. ]Well, Victor, I'd love to chat with you about all this, and we will . . . as soon as I get my internet connection working again. Right now I'm just reading and typing from my phone. Me being flustered is cute?
thanks . . . I guess?
I'm going to hit this with honest intellect and logic only, first..
If you showed up here and hadn't created a thing, asked to be born or created yourself, and have no power to change any physical laws at any time..
HOW would/-or-/could we ever conclude we would create a new world personalized for a single person [ourself] and it make any logical sense? Then everyone lives in a seperate world??
I'm sorry, but I don't see where this line of reasoning ever began except springing from the pure result of personal want creating the idea itself irregardless of the present circumstantial truths.
No, I think when we get there, [for those who do], it will be exactly the same scenario as when and how we got here.
Partakers of a world that exists without us needing to create it. Getting to a place and then creating it is a little opposite of reality, for where are you going to go if there is no place to get to? Does everyone get a box of white and live by themselves painting everywhere because we don't agree on the same colors for the walls?
This makes no sense to me personally, not even from a purely secular standpoint.
But, to continue on with flipping to appeal to my personal standpoint rather than others now..
Heaven was created just like earth was created, just like we are created, and in observing the creations and being given the process and ability of imagination are allowed to create 'within' the realm we are placed [earth now, heaven later].
If they think after living in this life that in the next one they will be given some super high position to create everything, [that is supposedly already there.. How's that work? lol] I personally don't know where they obtained anything that hints the idea portrayed and would LOVE to know where exactly they got the information the notion is built on...
My profile gives my obvious source of information base. btw.One - God knows the heart, and if someone did not hear of God, or Jesus Christ then God obviously knows and can judge accordingly whether that person searched for God. God can also speak to people if they search for Him. And the Bible states that the creation [ us and the world and universe] is a testimony of Him and denying that God exists while looking on such majesty is unexcusable.. [ God said it.
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Two - Yes, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the same God as in the New Testament which Christ referred to as Father [ and so do we ].
Three - Flaws come from the fact that mankind was used to do God's work. God didn't make men to be useless creatures, but because of what happened long ago, the earth has a curse called sin.. and sin brings flaws and ultimately death. [ Windows loses one file... leads to a few corrupt files... program tries to run and crashes... crashes 20 others.. and then finally kills Windows 7.. (I used to troubleshoot pc problems) ] --> this is the same way sin works on us.. corrupt file/data in software = corrupt sin/deeds in men.
[none of man's flaws ultimately 'make' another man go to Hell.. God knows every thought from age 1 day to 125 years on death bed and can recall them like you can recall the steps you took to make that ham sandwich yesterday in a flash. He doesn't make mistakes and knows every person's heart and intentions.
And also, if you take into account evil, how it works, and the terms to describe how those that are evil at heart work.. then wolves in sheeps clothing wouldn't be fooling you into thinking that Christ Jesus isn't the way because they are claiming to be something but not being that thing they claim. [Ducks look, quack, AND act like ducks.. if it quacks like one but doesn't act like one, it might be trying to make you think it's one or be trying to eat one - but it isn't one.] So where do the problems come from after that fact is established? The simplest principle taught and theme from top to bottom is continuously overlooked.. Good and Evil.. Get that and TONS of your comprehension problems go right out the window regarding Christ and the Bible.
If you look from the outside in, it will NEVER make sense to you. You have to come on God's terms to find Him.. God will not 'meet in the middle'..
He is God, and those who deserve to know Him are those who spend time genuinely searching for Him. This is what the Bible teaches.
Treating the Bible [God's word] as a criminal on a witness stand to be questioned and accused rather than reviewing entirely and humbly seeking God are two different things. The first will never see God, while the latter will find Him.
God is active, and according to how one goes about searching determines whether He will reveal Himself. He seeks out those who look for Him.
If anyone EARNESTLY wants God, they will search, and finally.. they will find Jesus Christ, the only way to the Father.
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