Antisuicide nasal spray in development by the U.S!

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   maxoxam41posted 11 years ago

   Why would they do that? Necessity to maintain our soldiers' objective, to stand up and kill! Our army reached its top record in July, with 38 deaths. 26 among the active-duty, 12 among the reserve and guard! A 44% increase among the active-duty rate!
   While kids with conscience are killing themselves while facing the horrors of their "missions", the solution offered by the army is not a psychological help and waive their obligation to kill but to drug them for motivation!

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      Mighty Momposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Gotta side with you on this one, Maxoxam.
      It's truly bizarre and really creepy.
      The government's solution to this record number of suicides among military personnel is to alter their brain chemistry.
      With some drug that can only be delivered through the nose. Even weirder.
      Do you suppose ANYONE gave ANY consideration to WHY these enlisted men and women are killing themselves in droves?
      
      I saw it on CNN today as if this was great news. Not a hint of irony in the reporting, either.

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         SassySue1963posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Really? So, we stop all anti-pyschotic drugs. No more anti-depressants. Let those with  schizophrenia remain non-functional, delusional, paranoid and eventually, snap and kill someone. Let those who are severely depressed kill themselves. But, don't, by God, dare to mess with their brain chemistry! No! Lock them up and throw away the key!
         
         Which you know is what they did with anyone like this before the drugs came along that could help them. Of course, no drug helps everyone

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            urspclposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            on one hand the causality isn't groovy, on the other we've dealt with suicide attempts and ideation for a better part of our life...

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            Mighty Momposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            That's rather a big leap from what I said.
            I never said to stop all antidepressants and antipsychotic drugs for everyone.
            I do find it disturbing that so many servicemen and women are having such severe psychological trauma that they see the only way out is to kill themselves.
            WHY???
            Why is this conflict so horrific that the men and women who do volunteer to go and fight are killing themselves in record numbers?
            
            The point here is that what the government is doing is a form of mind control.
            And yes, it is absolutely self-serving.
            We're going to keep you alive long enougth to fulfill your tour of duty.
            We fully understand that when you go home you will be at heightened risk of PTSD and depression and anxiety and a whole host of mental problems directly related to what you saw, heard, smelled, felt and LIVED while serving your country.
            But for right now, we need you alive so you can do your job.
            So sniff up, boys and girls.

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         maxoxam41posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         It is exactly what I meant Mighty Mom, nobody cares about them! Nobody tries to understand the cause! Nobody sides with them! What is their alternative? It is a total disrespect in comparison with their sacrifice!

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      mythbusterposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Siding with maxoxam41 here.
      
      Soldiers aren't told WHY they're killing - they're taught not to ask questions - but this doesn't keep their minds from asking questions once the violence is over or once they have made good on following orders.
      
      It is unethical to train people to KILL other people. If you check up on how soldiers are trained, you'll find out they are trained to IGNORE the psychological effects/aversion of killing people so that they can be put into positions where, when commanded, they will overcome their tendency to avoid harming people - in order to kill people.
      
      In our day and age with long-distance weaponry, soldiers aren't always face to face with the enemy but when they return home, when they read/watch news reporting, hear of death tolls, etc., many of them wonder... about the people who died.
      
      Could YOU live with knowing you followed orders? Once you get home for a rest and begin to see what is being reported in the news about deaths in the place you just returned home from? (In part, a general society is to blame here...for we ALLOW these young people to go off to war while we stay home, stay out of it...sometimes we cheer when our side "wins" - but mostly, many of us keep saying, "glad it's them and not me" and "someone has to do it but not me" - no, people have to find a way to stop all this crap!).
      
      Would YOU like to be given a new drug just so the military can deem you "good to go" again? So you can return to the situation of following orders, deploying weapons upon someone else's command - when you are only given orders and not the reasons why you're deploying weapons (sometimes into civilian locations?)?
      
      What about longer rest time, psychological therapy (it is, after all, a psychological problem, is it not? Not a chemical imbalance?).
      
      The declining mental health of those in the military is a TRAUMA related sickness. Trauma isn't best treated with dope. Many of the depression medications and even anxiety medications have inserts that include "suicidal tendencies" as a WARNING SYMPTOM whereby you need to stop taking the drug, see your doctor immediately for alternative treatment... and these (psychotropics) are the biggest class of drugs used to treat people with suicidal tendencies... don't you think there's a problem in all of this?
      
      It's a horrendous joke that a nasal spray version of this crap is being seriously considered by "experts" as a large component of a solution to this rapidly growing soldier-suicide problem.

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   psycheskinnerposted 11 years ago

   Trying something to see if it helps soldiers deal with stress doesn't seem like a bad thing.  I don't see anyone claiming it "cures" suicide.

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   maxoxam41posted 11 years ago

   It doesn't bother you to send children to kill civilians mainly because the military industrial complex aims at increasing its turnover? 24 years old was the average age for Vietnam!

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      SassySue1963posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      1. There is no draft. Every soldier is there voluntarily.
      2. No one is sent to kill civilians.
      3. Are there some who snap and do such things? Yes. Which would seem like...this drug would be a GOOD thing.
      4. It is not about "motivation" it is about them not killing themselves.
      5. They are not denied counseling nor encouraged not to seek counseling. Like all drugs, it is for those where counseling alone does not help.

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   maxoxam41posted 11 years ago

   Don't you think that a simpler solution is required here! That the U.S stops its greed on other countries' wealth! No more soldiers sent to kill or to be killed abroad! No more use of drugs at all! But what is interesting is the hypocrisy of their solution. We don't want them to die, we want them to survive in order to achieve our goals!

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   maxoxam41posted 11 years ago

   The army is the source of their suicides (not attempts). Why is it that those suicides occur in the army? Why is it the active-duty that are more affected? What is the probability of civilians to kill themselves? To kill themselves in the same corporations? To kill themselves in the same line of work? Now, why is it happening in the army and no in other branches of the state? Those are the real questions!

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   JaxsonRaineposted 11 years ago

   Side effects may include: headache, stomachache, earache, headache, dizziness, blurry vision, nausea, upset stomach, gas, bloating, cramps, muscle spasms, back pain, leg pain, pain in the extremities, sensitivity to sound, sensitivity to light, sensitivity to touch, temporary loss of sight, temporary loss of hearing, temporary loss of taste, temporary loss of smell, permanent loss of sight, permanent loss of hearing, permanent loss of taste, permanent loss of smell, itching, hives, blisters, boils, hair loss, confusion, sleepiness, drowsiness, insomnia, confusion, depression, mood swings, mania, increased urge to gamble, sleep-walking, loss of memory, loss of motor skills, and in rare cases, death.
   
   Just assume that any drug includes all of those, and more.

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      Mighty Momposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      There are black box warnings on all the major psych drugs. Actually on all prescribed drugs. By the time I get through the "may includes" and down to the "if any of these rare but potentially fatal side effects occur..." I'm quoting Clint Eastwood to myself.
      Do I feel lucky?
      
      But there is also always a disclaimer line: "Your doctors has prescribed this medicine for you because s/he feels the potential benefit outweighs the potential risks."
      CYA, anyone?

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         SassySue1963posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         On that one you're 100% correct. I think all drugs now list a billion side effects and no one can argue it is anything other than CYA by the companies. In the end, these are choices you have to make for yourself. Right now though, there is absolutely no merit to the argument that this is simply "sniff up and move on" because it is only a research grant. There is nothing to suggest this will be a forcible treatment which is how it is being treated here. It is a natural occurring hormone that the body produces and really is just another way of dosing an anti-depressant. The very same people condemning this research would no doubt be crying foul if the military was NOT trying to find some way to curb the suicide rate. It is not to replace traditional treatments either. Just as anti-depressants do not currently replace treatment but are in addition to treatment.

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      maxoxam41posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Our kids (I'm wondering why their parents are not protesting) are guinea pigs, nothing else! Meat to be slaughtered! Nobody are indignant facing such an injustice!

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   maxoxam41posted 11 years ago

   I totally agree with you mythbuster. It says a lot about the military. Those kids are used and disposable at will. I guess the army, as a factory, needs its manpower (soldiers) to be productive. They can't afford losses to complete their turnover! I guess when America wages wars, it displays its new toys to their potential customers!

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