Trump creates new milestone in his first year!

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   Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago

   It was nip and tuck there for a few days boys and girls, but Trump managed to tell over 2000 lies in less than a year, a milestone due in part to his voters who continually make excuses for his blatant dishonesty. I hope they appear on this thread to relate their pride and adoration as no other US President has--or will ever, in my opinion come close to reaching this lofty goal.
   
   His last few days of insulting immigrants from certain countries, Obama, and the FBI investigations seem to put him over the top. Congratulations probably won't be coming soon though.
   
   Share your pride, DT fans!

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      Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      No excuses for the lies, Trump fans? Come on now, in for a penny and all that.....

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      Shogunposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Besides the realization that all politicians lie, it's just asinine a lot of the BS that he's saying. Starting with the inauguration crowd size and God stopping it from raining ...
      
      The administration is in chaos, and no one wants to admit it.

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         Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         I admit it.
         Abolish the Federal Government.
         
         They rather keep fu*king that whore, to make it into a virgin.
         
         Those fu*ker, and they think I am crazy one.

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   PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago

   Now he's trying to say he didn't use the term "sh!ithole."  He genuinely thinks he's smarter than the rest of us and we'll just cave to his stupid spouting of nonsense.  Unfortunately, about 30-35% of Americans soak up his BS like sunshine and bask in it.  Hey, I just had a thought about where the ultimate sh!thole is located, and it ain't on Trump's behind. 

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      gmwilliamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Totally agree.  Trump(won't say president anymore, he DOESN'T DESERVE the title) has descended into the lowest of lows yesterday by denigrating non-Caucasian countries.  He is a racist of the highest order.  He is the MOST DIVISIVE president in American history.  Anyone who has insulted former President Obama should apologize.  For all of former President Obama's faults, at least he was a decent humanitarian & a CLASS ACT.  Yes, Obama was a class act of a man while Trump is a sewer act of a person who has severe arrested development issues.

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         k@riposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         I couldn't agree more!

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         PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Yes, Obama was a class act. Oh, how I miss no-drama Obama.

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   Live to Learnposted 6 years ago

   The saddest part of this is, had Hillary been elected, we'd be hearing the same type of well deserved negativity; from a different angle.

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      PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      At least you are admitting Trump's negativity is well-deserved.

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         Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         You never read my posts. I'm shocked. Flabbergasted.  Something froze over somewhere. I've always said the guy suffered foot in mouth.
         
         I'm certain you'll conveniently forget this fact. But, for now. WOW.

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            PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            "....we'd be hearing the same type of well deserved negativity."
            
            Did you phrase it wrong?

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               Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               No. I said what I meant. I'm simply surprised you bothered to read it and understand it. That's a first. Yep. Something froze over today.

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                  PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Aw, you're just too clever, LtL. I can see I've really gotten under your skin Did you have that drink on New Year's Eve? Maybe you need another one. It's hard being a Trump voter these days.

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                     Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     Under my skin? Lighten up. It's a joke. As to Trump voting, that's easy. It could have been worse. We dodged a bullet here. We could have had a lying, cheating b**ch for president.

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      Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Are you kidding me? Are you asserting Hillary would be proven to lie over 2000 times her first year in office? I'm gonna havta call you on that one, L2L!

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         Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         I don't know. She's darn good at lying. I'd say yes. Of course, you'd be the die hard supporter who wouldn't hear any of it. Defending all of her actions without regard to truth.
         
         I'm telling you. It'd be the same game, same players.

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            Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Check Politifact to see how incredibly wrong your are, L2L. But you probably already realize that.....

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               Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Wrong about what? Hillary? I've been watching Hillary for a very long time. Believe as you will. I am thankful, on a daily basis, we dodged that bullet. Trump is a small price to pay for that averted travesty.

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                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  I assume by your response you're gonna go with your gut instead of the facts. Yep, a true Trump apologist....

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   Aime Fposted 6 years ago

   I’ve heard the word “shithole” more times today than I have in my life so that’s a pretty cool milestone I guess.

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   blueheronposted 6 years ago

   Well, a fact is a fact: Those countries are shitholes.

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      Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      You must have voted for the buffoon, right? What shithole did your ancestors hail from?

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         Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         I say all these apes and buffoon serve the same sh*thole, that leads to larger swamps of harmful sh*t crocodiles . The apes and buffoon fling sh*t at each in order to entertain us, wail they steal all good stuff by their PHD lawyers that find a way to Pile (shit) Higher & Deeper.
         
         Turning good stuff like water into oil. Don't light a match, these farts will explode big time.

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   blueheronposted 6 years ago

   Be that as it may, there is still such a thing as objective reality. Here's a video to assist you in gaining contact with objective reality: The Cannibal Warlords of Liberia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRuSS0iiFyo
   
   Importing people from shithole countries means importing undesirables--if for no other reason than that they have nothing of value to contribute. Which of course means that they will almost certainly be a burden after arriving here, in the form of social welfare benefits, health care benefits, and education. And those are the good ones. Many of those immigrating are criminals. Why would we want them?
   
   If you were to look into emigrating to some other country, yourself, you would find that they require that you bring an income (often a substantial income) to their country, that you bring substantial assets, that you plan to open a business that would employ people in your destination country, and/or that you already have a job lined up in your destination country. I haven't looked into other requirements, but I think many, if not most, countries would require a health screening (as the US used to do), to make sure you are not carrying a disease that could infect people in your destination country.
   
   Perhaps you can answer the question. That is, why would we want them?

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      Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      You avoided the question as Trump fans are want to do these days, but I'll answer yours. If you take a look at the statistics you'll find out immigrants from poor countries strive harder to succeed than those from "white" countries. Nigerians have a 44% rate of achieving a Masters or higher diploma while white immigrants from more affluent countries are at 11%. It seems the shithole countries provoke their people to take advantage of the opportunities when they arrive here.
      
      And once again, what shithole country did your ancestors come from? Don't make me have to ask you again.....

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         gmwilliamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         It is good to see you in the forums, Randy!  Yes, the immigrants from the most challenged countries have more of an impetus to succeed.   America has had immigrants who would be classified as deplorables under Trump.  First, there was the Irish who were treated as stepchildren or worse.   The Irish were viewed as threats to the American Anglo-Saxon Protestant Establishment.  The Irish were treated like lower lifeforms.  Then they made inroads.  Next, came the southern & eastern Europeans such as the Italians(southern Italians), Slavs(Poles, Russians, Czechs, Slovaks, Ukrainians & other Slavs), Greeks, Hungarians, Romanians, & eastern European Jews.  Before that, German & Central European Jews immigrated to America.   Let us add the Asians such as the Chinese.   These groups were considered by many dominant Americans to be deplorables or challenged racially or ethnically.   During the late 19th & early 20ty centuries, there were groups which protested the influx of "deplorable" or "challenged" immigrants to America.  Some dominants proclaim that if there were to be immigrants, let them be from the "more desirable" countries such as northern & western Europe who are more ethnically like them.
         
         Well, in the 1920s as a result of xenophobia against the so-called "undesirable" or "deplorable" elements from southern & eastern Europe, the number of immigrants from southern & eastern Europe were drastically reduced.  In the 1930s, during the rise of Adolf Hitler, a demonic xenophobe, the American quota for Jewish immigration was NEGATIVELY impacted as were Jewish immigration to other countries.  If there were a more liberal immigration policy, more Jews could immigrate from Nazi Europe.   In the 1960s, immigration became more liberalized.
         
         Trump wants immigration of so-called desirables only which is a dangerous.   No one respects Trump anymore.  He is now viewed as an untouchable pariah.   People are distancing themselves from him.
         He is HANGING himself.  Just continue to give him more rope.

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   blueheronposted 6 years ago

   Randy, after a (kind of) diligent search, I was able to find an article that stated that "17 percent of all Nigerians in this country held master's degrees while 4 percent had a doctorate, according to the 2006 American Community Survey conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau. In addition, 37 percent had bachelor's degrees."
   
   This same article explains the reason for this: "In a way, it's a Catch-22 — because of immigration laws you are forced to remain in school, but then the funny thing is you end up getting your doctorate at the age of 29," Kaba said. "If you stay in school, immigration will leave you alone." http://www.chron.com/news/article/Data- … 600808.php
   
   In addition, Nigerians are a tiny minority of immigrants, and their level of educational attainment is atypical among immigrants. So basically you're cherry picking in an attempt to find ONE group with a high educational attainment. Can you name another?
   
   Further, what is the advantage of having Nigerians with advanced degrees living and working in the US? Many native-born US citizens with advanced degrees are jobless. We don't need Nigerians. They take jobs away from native-born US citizens.
   
   I would also have to add that higher levels of educational attainment in the US are, for the most part, perfectly valueless.
   
   According to this link, "The Federal government spends a net amount of $45.8 billion on illegal aliens and their U.S.-born children. This amount includes expenditures for public education, medical care, justice enforcement initiatives, welfare programs and other miscellaneous costs. It also factors in the meager amount illegal aliens pay to the federal government in income, social security, Medicare and excise taxes." https://fairus.org/issue/publications-r … -taxpayers
   
   Those are the NET costs.
   
   Further, quite a lot of the money earned by immigrants in the US (where it would support US businesses and promote employment), but is sent to their families in other countries (mainly Mexico) as remittances. "Mexicans received $2.5 billion in the cash transfers, known as remittances, in March [2017]." Remittances to Mexico run about $2 billion per month. http://thehill.com/latino/331579-remitt … ord-levels
   
   The statement that "immigrants from poor countries strive harder to succeed than those from 'white' countries" is purely subjective. What is the measure of "striving harder"?
   
   Finally, I have to once again ask: Why would we want immigration to the US? Our population is more than adequate, and we don't have enough jobs to go around for our native-born US citizens. Nor can we afford the staggering costs.

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   blueheronposted 6 years ago

   As to your question: I am only familiar with the background of my great-grandparents, on my father's side, since they were the most recent immigrants to the US, and came during the late 1800s. They immigrated from Sweden and were skilled and capable people. They immigrated at a time when the US was still sparsely populated and the country was in need of people to settle the frontiers--which is what my grandparents did, settle on the frontier.
   
   I have never looked into their reasons for immigrating. I think most immigrants from Sweden at that time were excited by the prospect of free land.
   
   To my knowledge--mainly based on a notable absence of social services in the Plains states of the 1800s--they did not burden their fellow citizens with demands for free food, housing, medical care, or education.
   
   My other ancestors immigrated at a much earlier time. I have never looked into their motivations.

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   blueheronposted 6 years ago

   Immigration is no longer desirable for the US. We should have NO immigration from ANYWHERE, of ANY people, regardless of skin color or ethnicity. We are full up.
   
   None of those supporting immigration have offered a reason why it is in any way desirable, while I have offered statistics as to the costs of illegal immigration, showing that it is a staggering financial drain on our country: $45.8 billion.
   
   During the era prior to around 1900, immigration was desirable for the US. Large areas of our nation were not settled. It was understood that it was crucial that these areas be settled, if we were to retain our territorial base. Settlement was imperative. Regions that were not settled by Americans would have been difficult to defend against territorial claims by Spain, France, England, or Mexico. Hence, up until around 1900, it was government policy, as well as the generally accepted social policy, to encourage a rapidly expanding population, including both immigration and large families.
   
   The US no longer has a need for additional population. In fact, an increase in population through immigration has a strongly negative impact on the US.

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      Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I can see you're plainly embarrassed to relate your ancestor's homeland by the way you ignore my query, Sharon. I understand, it must've been a real shithole.  Anyway, you're here now and you feel obliged to keep others out. You must be a fine person.....

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    blueheronposted 6 years ago

    Here is a link showing that illegal immigration costs the Us $135 billion per year. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09 … shows.html

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    blueheronposted 6 years ago

    It is not widely recognized in the US that Mexico has pretty nearly descended into a chaotic "failed state" where heavily armed rival drug cartels terrorize the population, and where the Mexican government is either unable or unwilling to restore peace and order.
    
    Mexican drug cartels have a significant presence in the US. It would be a good idea to have a strong enough border with Mexico to halt the flow of illegal drugs.
    
    Also, it is a good idea to have a strongly defended border between the US and our southern neighbor, as Mexico descend ever more deeply into the extreme chaos and violence of drug wars. When you share a border with a failed state, this violence and chaos can--and will (and has)--cross the border into the US, unless the border is strongly defended.

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    blueheronposted 6 years ago

    I am not seeing why anyone would take issue with "denigrating non-caucasion countries." I mean, unless you would have a serious problem confronting facts. I myself take issue with untruthfulness.

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    blueheronposted 6 years ago

    Things are what they are.
    
    When you say that Mexico or Haiti are not "shitholes," what you are saying is that drug gangs, violence, chaos, lack of sanitation, high levels of morbidity and mortality from preventable diseases (due to lack of sanitation and hygiene), low levels of literacy and education, extreme poverty, high crime, corruption, inadequate housing, internal civil wars...etc....are, to you, not bad things.
    
    While I admit that it is possible that you may actually think this, speaking personally, it kind of sounds to me like you are being untruthful, or disingenuous, or maybe even lying.
    
    Or, alternatively, it could be that you are not enjoying full mental health.
    
    Would you say that the conditions listed above are good? Or would you say that these conditions are bad? Would you say that they are extremely bad? If we define a shithole as a place where conditions are extremely bad, would you agree that such countries are shitholes?

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    Wesman Todd Shawposted 6 years ago

    At this point I'm nearly ashamed of myself for having NOT voted for Donald Trump. Hillary Clinton and Democrats in general are so obviously caustic to the nation that I had went to vote determined to vote for Trump. I did not. I got cold feet, and voted a straight libertarian ticket. What a waste.
    
    Trump knows we should be so very very proud of our nation, and we should acknowledge that it is head and shoulders above any nation that has ever existed, that to not think so is practically a sin. Trump doesn't see any sense in giving US taxpayer dollars away by the hundred million, as Obama was prone to do. Socialism is vile, and can only be enforced by armed men, and winds up failing regardless, and faster when you adhere to it more strictly.
    
    What we've been seeing since the election in western Europe, and even in Australia is absolutely frightening. After that Pulse nightclub shooting, Hillary literally said we should be importing more of those fake refugees. Nothing was more inexcusable than that, except maybe the Clinton Foundation's looting of money meant for Haiti.
    
    Trump's tax cuts and deregulation coupled with Asian investments  seem to be just what the economic doctor ordered. It doesn't matter how poor I am, I'm not an overly covetous man, I'm very happy to see US citizens getting more wealth. And how could anyone be expected to share more without making more?
    
    For more years than I can recall I've hated from the deepest part of my gut the mainstream media. That globalist mass media hates Donald Trump lets me know he's MY guy. The enemy of my enemy is  absolutely my friend.

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    blueheronposted 6 years ago

    Um...what is your REASON for wanting to admit immigrants to the US?
    
    As I have pointed out at some length, there simply isn't one. We don't need their generally non-existent abilities, we don't need a larger population, the economic costs are staggering, and they are detrimental to native-born US citizens' interests in many other ways. 
    
    Why do you favor policies that are detrimental to the interests of US citizens?
    
    Perhaps your view is that they should be admitted for humanitarian reasons. If so, what you're really saying is that the solution to poverty and misery in, for example, India, is to transplant the entire population of India to the US. Or that the solution to poverty and misery in Africa is to transplant the entire population of Africa to the US. And so on.
    
    I'm not seeing how this would work out well.
    
    Many of our own people in the US live in poverty. Many are unemployed. We have a staggering homeless population. If you were truly a humanitarian, you would favor policies that are beneficial to our own people, rather than policies that are detrimental to them.

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       Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       Who in the heck are you asking questions of while ignoring those put to you? Do you think you're special for some reason? Oh yeah I forgot, Trump fans do not deign to answer queries! We understand why, of course.

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       Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

       I can agree with you only to the point that either everyone desiring immigration be considered equally or there is to be NO immigration at all.
       
       I will go that far with you

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