Is Obama showing his academic records/Fast & Furious docs a fair trade for Romne

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   The Frog Princeposted 11 years ago

   Is Obama showing his academic records/Fast & Furious docs a fair trade for Romney's tax returns?
   
   Here we have a President who has any data about his past sealed and is demanding that Romney release five years of tax returns.  How about a little show and tell Barack.  You show us your transcripts and have Holder comply with his Congressional subpoena and se what happens from there?
   
   

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   Uninvited Writerposted 11 years ago

   Obama has shared all of his income tax returns, who should Romney be exempt?
   
   And, you might want to check this out about sealed records
   
   http://factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

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      The Frog Princeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      There is no requirement that anyone reveal their income tax returns in order to run for any public office.  Nuff said?  Obama pulled the same trick with Hillary in 2008.

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      Writer Davidposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Explain to me why Obama, the man who said his administration would be the most transparent in history, does not reveal the docs of F&F?  What is in those documents so damaging that Obama would invoke executive privilege to hide them from public?

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      Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Then Obama has already released more than he has had to

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      TheFewTheProudposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Obama has shared 2010 and 2011 tax returns.  Romney has shared 2010 and estimated taxes for 2011 which have not been filed yet.  Romney paid 10 times the taxes that Obama paid; the IRS deposits  real dollars not percentages.  Quit misleading.

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      Cassie Annposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Uninvited Writer - you really need to go elsewhere other than factcheck or snopes. Many sites have contrary info to your link.
      http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclus … continues/

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      The Frog Princeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Cassie - Now don't expect a left winger to use reputable sources for their info.  Heaven forbid!

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      Cassie Annposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Ha ha - FP. You are so right. Sticking with factcheck or snopes seems to be all liberals need for proof. I can find 10 legitimate sites to their one that provides the truth.

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      junksellerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Yes. let's abandon an award winning organization and instead pay attention to the conservative propagandist Floyd Brown. Reputable? Good grief we are doomed.

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      Cassie Annposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      junkseller - you haven't done your homework correctly if you don't even know that both snopes and factcheck are liberal run sites. Good grief to you for trying to sell me what your name suggest!!

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       The Frog Princeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Which award junk peddler - most unreliable, left wing spin factory award?

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       junksellerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Journalism training/experience, peer or editorial review over their work, provide sources? Floyd Brown is a no for all those Qs. Factcheck has won Webby awards, a Clarion award, been honored by Time, PC Mag, and Soc. for Prof. Journalists.

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       The Frog Princeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       All the awards in the world don't negate the fact that your source isn't credible.  Get real.

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       junksellerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I gave a list of things which lend credibility to an organization. Frog Prince approval wasn't on it. I also provided the awards you asked about. I've backed up my position. You haven't. Stop wasting my time with your pathetic insults.

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       The Frog Princeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Wasting your time?  Whose question are you on son?  President Transparency, your hero, isn't at all transparent.  LMBO

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       Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       The owner and founder of factcheck publicly sponsored Mcain against Obama, liberal run! the complete ignorance of the facts here from the right wingers is just hilarious.

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       Conservative Ladyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       The guy who authored the article at Uninvited Writers link just happens to work at CNN - can you say Liberal Media.....

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       Cassie Annposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Snopes is owned by David/Barbara Mikkelson – liberal democrats.
       Annenberg Public Policy Center sponsors factcheck.org and is also supported by the Annenberg Foundation. To be cont...

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       junksellerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Even if you were right about the article being liberal, that in no way changes the content, which contains many specific facts supported with sources. Can you refute any of that or not?

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       Cassie Annposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Cont.- The same foundation that Bill Ayers secured 49.2 mil. $’s from to create the Chicago Annenberg Org. which Obama was the founding Chairman of the Board. Can anyone say biased to the left!

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       Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       So anyone want to talk about how the head of the Annenberg foundation and it's owner support McCain and made big donations to him? I love how conservatives are always accusing fact sites of being liberal, the facts have a liberal bias obviously !

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       The Frog Princeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Since McCain isn't the subject here and Oblabber Mouth is, I doubt we'll discuss that.  Nice deflection though.  Your source is tainted.  Live with it Josak.  You boys have a probem with actual facts.  Where are Obama's records?  Answer the question.

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       Cassie Annposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Josak-sometimes the truth hurts. Water Annenberg died in 2002, doubt he contributed. Leanora, his wife, may have made a contribution. Doesn't change the fact that they haven't been in control of said foundation for years. UNINFORMED you are!

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       junksellerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       The location of Obama's records are all provided by the Factcheck article. It has been answered over end over with facts and sources. The only deflection here is from those who can't respond to the facts that have been put in front of them.

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       The Frog Princeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       The "location" isn't in question.  The release of said records it.  At least try to get it straight what is being said.

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       junksellerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       The location and release of Obama's records are all discussed in the Factcheck article. E.g. he, like most other candidates (including Romney), has chosen not to release his college records. Nothing unusual in that.

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       Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I like how they say they want to talk facts and then provide no facts.
       Yes Leonora donated and endorsed the campaign she is the owner and head of the board for the Annenberg Foundation the source is fine, the only problem is it provides actual facts.

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       The Frog Princeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       FACTS?  Forged BC, no college transcripts released, much of his books are fantasy and he claims to be transparent.  Yes, in FACT, most people can see right through him.  LMBO

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       Cassie Annposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Here's the facts, Josak. Leonore donated $2300 to McCain in 2008. Huge sums, huh? They supported Reagan heavily in 1980 when they were really in control of the foundation. Leonore died in 2009 so she is no longer owner or the head of said foundation

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   Old Poolmanposted 11 years ago

   That would certainly be a fair trade in my opinion.

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   halfcordposted 11 years ago

   Regardless of what The Regime gets from Mitt they will spin it into something really ugly and way too many of the "uninformed" public will suck it up like "kool aid".  You almost wish for a way to get the information to the public FIRST and then see what the Liberal spin doctors do with it.
   Oblame-o's history WILL come out.  There are a lot of people out there combing files everywhere.  We just need it to be sooner than later.

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      The Frog Princeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The latest seems to be a fund that has a $20K reward being offered for Obama's college transcripts.  Contrary to the link the user above posted about Obama's sealed records not being sealed the source is inaccurate as his records are sealed.

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   Conservative Ladyposted 11 years ago

   Makes good sense to me! I don't see why the American people don't make more of a fuss about Holder and his noncompliance with the Law.
   I am certain that if Obama had stellar grades we would have all seen the transcripts by now - leaves only less than stellar grades as the conclusion.

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      The Frog Princeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Grades aren't what Obama is concealing.

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      halfcordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      NATIONALITY on applications might be a problem for him.  Duh.....ya think?

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      Conservative Ladyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I should have added stellar grades and "Nothing to hide"

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   34th Bomb Groupposted 11 years ago

   My first thought FP. After I stopped laughing at the temerity of the obummer team.
   What a bunch of cretins! I liken their "deal" to "when did you stop beating your wife?" The gall of these people.
   Where are the college & law school transcripts?  Where are the articles written which set him up to become Editor of the Harvard Law Review. What is his REAL SS#?
   A deal wherein one party threatens the other to lay waste to his character, by a man who has no past is not a deal. It's like the Mob forcing a small business owner to hand over the vig every week.

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      The Frog Princeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      As seen above his supporters want to deflect and not answer the question as posed.  It gets hilarious.  It seems like a fair trade to me.  Total transparency was promised and has yet to be seen.

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      34th Bomb Groupposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Their hyper reactions on this point are proof enough to me to show they're scared to death. He CAN'T release ANY info or it will prove to the world that he's the biggest phony ever. He's a bum. Michelle is the power behind the throne.

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      The Frog Princeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I understand 34th.  Their usual deflection seems to be the "definition" of sealed.  You're an attorney so you know they are mincing words as usual.  The man has spent over a million dollars to fight the release of info that we should know.

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   junksellerposted 11 years ago

   Not a fair trade at all. Obama not releasing his college transcripts or submitting to the ridiculous Fast & Furious witch-hunt doesn't hurt Obama at all. The only people who care are those who aren't going to vote for him anyway.
   
   Lot's of people, however, care about Romney releasing his tax returns. Even quite a few conservatives have been calling for him to release more. Let him keep them hidden. He will lose votes because of it.

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      The Frog Princeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Nice try but polls indicate the majority of voters care less about Romney's tax returns.  The truth is that Team Obama keeps harping away to avoid the real issues of this campaign.  It's as Clinton said, "It's the economy stupid."  Try being factual.

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      junksellerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Aug 9 CNN poll: 63% say he should release more. Independents were even higher at 67%. July Gallop poll: 54% said he should release more.

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      Old Poolmanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      junkseller - Are you saying nobody should be held responsible for Fast & Furious?  We should never know the truth?

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      junksellerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      What truth do you want? it was a terrible government program, poorly run, with terrible results. Add it to the list. My only point is that I don't see it impacting the election.

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      Old Poolmanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      junkseller - I guess knowing how high up the ladder this botched program went would be the only concern as far as the election goes.

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      The Frog Princeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      It goes like this.  Once Romney issues his 2011 returns which have an extension on them he has met the two years and Obama and you libs I reckon can keep trying to divert attention away from the real issue - the economy.  Your idol is a failure.

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      junksellerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Old Poolman, you could be right, but even if it goes to the top, does that really change votes? I just don't know. Personally, I am in no way opposed to the truth being known.
      
      Frog Squire, the Prince of assumptions and insults. Nice work.

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      Old Poolmanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      No, unless someone high up flat out lied about his or her knowledge of Fast & Furious.  That knowledge might make some people angry.

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      Pollyannalanaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I don't care about his taxes, what is taxes compared to whether we even have a citizen President. Maybe that is what all this doing away with illegal is all about. A law to protect him if ever he is found out. I bet you! Starting to make sense.

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   Josakposted 11 years ago

   So no recent president ever has released his academic records Bush had his leaked after refusing to to release them, but sure I think everyone should release everything if they want to lead the country. As for fast and furious that should only be released to the congressional committee as it's confidential but yeah.
   
   Obama has NO sealed records and actually very few he hasn't released, he has released way more than most presidents. That is just conservative lies.

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      34th Bomb Groupposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Kindly provide a link to his Law Review articles.
      Thank you!

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      The Frog Princeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Lets see his college records, all of them, if nothing is sealed.  They are sealed whether you believe it or not.

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      halfcordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Following the 34th Bomb Group,  we still don't have ANY of his university applications, records, grades, yearbook photos, "real" birth cert., and the list goes on.

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      Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      As I said no recent president has released their college records. Nothing is sealed they are simply not released perhaps you are ignorant of the difference? As for his birth certificate I am not even going into that bull.

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      halfcordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Like The Frog Prince said......  "Lets see his college records, all of them, if nothing is sealed. They are sealed whether you believe it or not"! 
      You're not gonna win this one Josak.  You got no proof!

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      Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Actually I have ALL the proof, you can read the fact check article uninvited writer provided. The problem here is #1 Conservatives don't know what sealed means. #2 Obama has released more information than ANY OTHER PRESIDENT EVER. End of story.

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      halfcordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      No Josak, not 'end of story'.  If a cat has kittens in the oven you don't call 'em biscuits. Share some links and proof or forever hold your piece!  Quit blabbering on with Liberal Talking Points as if they were factual. Libs don't DEAL in "facts"!

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      The Frog Princeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      If they're not sealed I reckon they will come along shortly since there is now a $20K reward for producing them.  You libs crack me up.  LMBO

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      Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The facts are all in the factcheck link that uninvited writer posted. So frog you don't know what sealed means?  a document can only be sealed by the courts Obama has zero documents sealed (Bush had several) like all pres he hasn't rel'd college docs

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       34th Bomb Groupposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I'm annoyed that Josak thinks I "don't know what 'sealed' means." I have had records sealed for years. I know what it means. I also know that despite what the lawyer or judge tells you - they can and will be unsealed 90% of the time. Get a grip, pal.

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       The Frog Princeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       34th - As usual Josak is in over his head with intelligent people.

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       TheFewTheProudposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       You keep drinking that Kool-aid Josak; time will reveal the truth.
       
       Obama's transparency is just another lie.

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       Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       So if you know what sealed means and you think Obama has records sealed red the Fact check article and see... WOW he doesn't so you are both horribly wrong!  Ignorant of the basic facts and you have the nerve to suggest I am drinking koolaid!

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       halfcordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       It is a shame that the kind of loyalty Josak shows to Oblame-o is totally wasted on a lost cause.  Ya gotta wonder why he keeps insisting that some mysterious "fact check" group is on his side but there are no links or references how he got that info

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       junksellerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       What does loyalty have to do with it? Josak has made a factual argument and provided support for it. The link was provided by Uninvited Writer above, which Josak clearly mentioned.

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       Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       http://factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records since apparently you can't follow the simple directions to where the link could be found. Also I don't even like Obama but this conservative bull is just so wrong it demands answer.

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       The Frog Princeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       You two seem to be confusing your wishful thinking with facts.  Just today Obama said in his press conference that "the American people expect the President's life to be an open book."  Time for Obama to open the book so we can see it all.

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       halfcordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Got better things to do.  I am as convinced that you are wrong as you are that you are right.  All of this bickering will get us nowhere.  WHEN they unseal Oblame-d's records and the facts ("Truth" for those of you in the Liberal world) will come out

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       Old Poolmanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Josak, so you are insisting that a single source of internet information is all it takes to prove something to be true or false?  You know better than that.

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       The Frog Princeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       OP - No, he doesn't know better than that.

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       junksellerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       He doesn't have to prove it absolutely true. He has offered an argument that is very well sourced. Provide an equally backed counter-argument or refute the specific points. That's what debating is. Opinions and insults is all that has been given.

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       TheGroundsquirrelposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Hey Josak! Congrats on your appointment to captain of the Josef Goebbels Debate Team!

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       The Frog Princeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       The points were refuted junk peddler.  You fail to accept reality and want to get on the side of stupidity and continue to buy into the pathological lies of Obama.  He can be transparent.  At his peril!  LMBO

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       Old Poolmanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       All I'm saying is to quote a single internet source can lead to incorrect decisions.  For every point there are internet sites stating the exact opposite.

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       junksellerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Old Poolman, I completely agree, but we have to have some way of evaluating credibility. Factcheck has a decent reputation, is staffed by professional journalists, and that piece contains 47 sources. Seems like a reasonable starting point to me.

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       Old Poolmanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Having never used FactCheck, I will just have to take your word on their credibility.

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       Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Ah aren't you guy's the star representatives of conservatism calling people everything from stupid to Nazi's and ignoring the facts with the sources right in front of your nose from a Pulitzer winning source. You guys are a joke. (except Poolman)

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       Cassie Annposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Annenberg Public Policy Center sponsors factcheck and is also supported by the Annenberg Foundation-same one that Bill Ayers secured 49.2 mil. $’s from to create the Chicago Annenberg Org. which Obama was the founding Chairman of the Board.

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       The Frog Princeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Cassie Ann - Neither of these two has the slightest idea who is backing Factcheck.  They are hilarious.  They probably think Snopes.com is on the up and up too.  No one here has referred to anyone as a Nazi so the liberal sensationalism continues.

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       junksellerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Simplistic labels are for children. If you are unable or unwilling to evaluate the content of a thing then that is your deficiency. One guy from one project doesn't dictate the politics of an org. and still wouldn't alter the content of the argument.

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   Pat Pottsposted 11 years ago

   I could care less about Romney showing anymore of his tax information. I'd much rather see everything there is to see about Obama.

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      Pollyannalanaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I second that emotion!

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      Cassie Annposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I third that motion.

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      Conservative Ladyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I'll tag on with a fourth!

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    Pollyannalanaposted 11 years ago

    I cannot believe that the President of the United States is allowed to keep past data sealed and if he were honest with nothing to hide, why would he? Indeed. I think it would be a fair trade but we won't be seeing that. One day many I fear will wish they had demanded answers. We citizens have certainly never been allowed secrecy and more is taken and wanted all the time, even by this president who wants all his past kept secret. If that doesn't set off alarms I don't know why not.

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       Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       http://front.moveon.org/if-this-is-why- … aily.share

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    tom hellertposted 11 years ago

    Has anyone ever thought there are NO transcripts and NO BC because they never existed? No one remembers him from college I was practically a ghost in college but I could name 20-25 people who would at least say  they were in class with me and a few young ladies who wished me dead.... Obama has no one who remembers him ASIDE FROM LEFTY PROFESSORS  all I have to do is call up my coll4ge and ask for a transcript pay $5 and bam!!! they print it out  to me occidental college sounds made up but I guess itis real... As for Havard-they seemed to leak out GWs info pretty easily. as for Barry I would not believe him  a damn thing he said even if he came to my house and told me personally...i BELIEVE IN THE FUTURE LYING ABOUT ONES PAST WIL;L BE CALLED PULLING AN OBAMA...

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       Pollyannalanaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       It astounds me that someone can be President of the US and not have to prove a thing! It feel like the twilight zone and so many upholding it like it is perfectly OK, more twilight zone. I hope when I wake up he is gone.

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    TheGroundsquirrelposted 11 years ago

    Of course it's fair. We will only get to know what the sane already know. Romney is rich and O-man is stupid. Captain Obvious is a very busy superhero of late

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       The Frog Princeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Hilarious that Oblabber gives an interview about what powers he wants as a super hero.  Made me wanna barf.

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       34th Bomb Groupposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I've only asked for ONE Law Review article for three+ years. Still cant't get one but, apparently I have a duty to believe the traitorous criminal who forced us to move house 50 years ago. My mother was still pissed about it when she died at age 81.

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       tom hellertposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Oh yes a document placed on the internet "HOW COULD BE BE SCEPTICAL ABOUT A PDF?"
       If the doc is sealed how did they get and make that PDF??? MUstVE BEEN SOME GOOD OLE OBaMA MAGIC he just twitched his nose and  *tinka tinka tee* it appeared ta-fing-da

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    Ralph Deedsposted 11 years ago

    There is zero equivalence between Romney's income tax returns and Obama's college and law school grades. There is ample precedent for presidential candidates releasing tax returns and zero precedent for releasing college grades. College grades are not related to any public policy issue. Romney's tax returns are related to federal income tax policy, especially loopholes which benefit the one percenters like Romney and the sleazy billionaires and corporations who are funding his campaign.

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       34th Bomb Groupposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Oh please. You can't be that ignorant.

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       The Frog Princeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       What do grades have to do with Obama hiding his college transcripts?  I have to agree with 34th's observation.  This whole tax return issue is a diversion away from Obama's failed policies.  He wants to talk about anything but his record.

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       halfcordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Ralph, funny you mention "sleazy billionaires". Have you you looked at Oblame-o's handler.....and "one man economy destruction machine", George Soros?  Now there is the pot calling the kettle black.  Oops...was that a racial slur?  My Bad........NOT!

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       The Frog Princeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       halfcord - I always have a chuckle when a progressive opens that pie hole and stuffs their foot in it without thinking first.  Uncle George Soros is one of Obama's handlers.

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