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   PeterStipposted 8 years ago

   You're over 12.000 times more likely to be killed by a gun then by a terrorist attack.
   
   In thew US there where 24 deaths from islamist terrorism between 2005 and 2015. But there where 301,797 gun deaths in the same period!!
   
   In the 70's and 80's the risk of a terrorist attack was greater then nowadays. You had the ETA, Red Brigade, Japanese Red Army,Baader-Meinhof Group.
   So what's the problem ?
   
   
   

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   tamarawilhiteposted 8 years ago

   1. Most deaths with guns are suicides, and if you take away the guns, they'll commit suicide via other means, so you can't blame the guns.
   2. Islamic terrorism is scary because they intentionally target innocent people to kill in a public, gruesome way in order to scare the rest into converting to Islam in the hope of not being killed or submit to Shariah law where they are second class citizens at best. It is a deliberate military effort to scare people into submission, because they can't/won't field an actual army. When you worry about being killed at the farmer's market or Christmas event, the terrorism has worked.
   3. There are terrorist attacks by Muslims daily somewhere, whether it is beheading Buddhist school teachers for teaching Muslim students science to acid in the face of women who don't veil to the mass murdering of Sunni and Shia at each other's funeral processions because Islam hates the moderate and other sects seen as apostates as it does non-Muslims. Thus terrorism in the West is rare compared to the regular pogroms on Christians in Egypt after Friday prayers or Sunni and Shia killing each other on major holidays, but because it is a worldwide movement regularly engaging in killing, we have reason to be afraid it will get worse as the Muslim population here grows.

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      ptosisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

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      PeterStipposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      There are a lot of awfull things happening in other countries. Every day there is a mass shooting in the US Tamara but not every day there is a Islamic attack. We should do something about the real threat, mass shootings. It's to easy to buy a gun.

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      MizBejabbersposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Peter, you don't live in this country, so what do you mean "we"? You don't have to buy a gun, just steal it from an honest law-abiding citizen who bought it legally. Those commit most of the statistics (301,797) you quoted, not mass shootings.

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      PeterStipposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Stealing or buying, it's to easy in the states to obtain a gun. Go to www.massshootingtracker.org and you will find that almost every day there is a mass shooting. this is a huge problem in the US, not the Muslim terror attacks, that's my point.

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      MizBejabbersposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Tamara, about no. 3, that's so true and it's a crying shame because before Mohammed established his tyrannical religion, the Arabs were the epitome of science, architecture and the arts.

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      PeterStipposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      about nr.3 always take into account that fundamentalism in religion is a minority. the extreme and violent muslim movement is small and you will offend many Muslims who are moderate and keep the faith for themselves if you generalize.

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I agree with Tamara
      Peter what about terrorism in your OWN country?

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      MizBejabbersposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Peter, I was talking about the effect their choice had on the brilliant knowledge that these people used to have. Choosing this religion cost them their culture, which may have been responsible for the Dark Ages. That was offensive to the world.

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      PeterStipposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Brad there is no terrorism in Spain, there was by the ETA but not now.
      Miz, All religions are against science. the extreme the more. Dark ages has nothing to do with it. and there are still lots of muslims studying on universities all over the world

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       MizBejabbersposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       But "all" religions are not the ones who are pulling down and destroying precious artifacts around the world.
       http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/09/150901-is
       www.beliefnet.com/.../taliban-destroy-m … -artifacts

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       PeterStipposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Your absolute right miz, those who do such things are fools. And as Christianity had its share with witch hunting etc. Extrem Islam is on the hunt to break freedom of thought and expression.

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   MizBejabbersposted 8 years ago

   The problem is that you just left out the Twin Towers which, in that attack, including the failed airliner that crashed in the field, more than 3,000 people were killed. The question itself skewed the numbers.
   The next part of the answer is that our municipal police forces failed to quell the gangs of the 80s and 90s, and now anyone with a beef thinks he or she, usually he, can pick up a gun and solve a problem. In my town, a metropolitan area with close to 200,000,  including people in neighboring suburbs, the police were actually afraid of these gangs running loose. The people had to storm city hall with demands about 20 years ago that they do something about the gangs. When a person lives in an area like that, a person needs to own a gun to protect the household from these lawless ones the police won't deal with. I'm not talking about a ghetto, houses in the nicest neighborhoods are being invaded.
   Now the problem is that these lawless are getting the public to boo hoo over killing those who are killing us. There have been a couple of young men who were killed by lawless rogue policemen, but this is rare. Just because a mob claims police brutality and demands retribution toward the men in blue who protect them, and this fire is fanned by the media, doesn't mean that all police are brutal thugs. Until something is done about the gangs, anyone who has lived in a country that won't deal with the gangs knows that we need some type of personal protection.
   But nobody needs military-grade weapons to protect his home or kill a deer. We already have gun laws that need to be enforced. If those are not enforced, why should we pass more to be ignored?

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      PeterStipposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      9/11 was in 2001 I was talking about the period 2005/2015. But as you said, the whole gang problems and lawlessness is never properly dealt with and a far bigger social problem then the once in a blue moon Moslim attack.

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