America the Ugly

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

   "We are bad, we are miserable. We are to blame for many problems all over the world and throughout history."
   
   This is probably the message that kids are being taught by their teachers in public schools and young adults are learning from their professors in colleges and universities across the land.
   
   Heaven help America.
   
   I don't know who else will, in the future.

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      The0NatureBoyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Heaven has already decreed how it intends to help the US of America, use double on her what she has used in warfare (Rev. 18:4) as the first nation to be destroyed as civilization terminates. Heaven has decreed that the stone Moses smote twice, the second christ, will fall on her (Dan. 2:45) and ultimultly destroy the entire world. That's the future she, as the young lion (Gen, 49:8-12) and offspring of Great Britain, has for her during these last days for civilization since she has gone into space and spans the earth (Dan 4:11).

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         great.
         
         
         ... and why should I believe this?

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            The0NatureBoyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            You should not if it isn't what your ego wants you to.

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               Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               Well, whether it happens or not, don't you think we should live in the best way possible now?
               To enjoy life now, for ourselves, our families, our communities, our nation and posterity?
               To make a better world now?
               To be here now?
               To be like Gandhi ...
               Now?

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                  Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  I am sculpting Gandhi right now. After sculpting Trump I feel a hell of alot better, a dark rain cloud has been lifted.
                  
                  I did not know Gandhi was an anarchist, maybe Natureboy is a bit of one too.

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                     Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     He was a lawyer. He had studied in London.
                     
                     "In 1919 after the World War I was over, Gandhi (aged 49) sought political co-operation from Muslims in his fight against British imperialism by supporting the Ottoman Empire  Gandhi had already supported the British crown with resources and by recruiting Indian soldiers to fight the war in Europe on the British side. This effort of Gandhi was in part motivated by the British promise to reciprocate the help with swaraj (self-government) to Indians after the end of World War I. The British government, instead of self government, had offered minor reforms instead, disappointing Gandhi.
                     
                     Gandhi announced his satyagraha (civil disobedience) intentions. The British colonial officials made their counter move by passing the Rowlatt Act, to block Gandhi's movement. The Act allowed the British government to treat civil disobedience participants as criminals and gave it the legal basis to arrest anyone for 'preventive indefinite detention, incarceration without judicial review or any need for a trial.' "
                     
                     FROM:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi
                     
                     Rowlatt Act: (February 1919), legislation passed by the Imperial Legislative Council, the legislature of British India. The acts allowed certain political cases to be tried without juries and permitted internment of suspects without trial.
                     
                     He was not an anarchist. He believed in self-rule for India. He fought against British Imperialism.

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                        Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        There is upside and downside of every person, group and thing. I  love most of the upsides of anarchy.
                        
                        Mahatma Gandhi Quotes About Anarchy
                        1Absolute Truth Abuse Acceptance
                        2.The ideally non-violent state will be an ordered anarchy.
                        3.The nearest approach to purest anarchy would be a democracy based on non-violence.
                        4.A society organized and run on the basis of complete non-violence would be the purest anarchy.
                        5.Alternatives, Anarchy, Operations
                        Without real nonviolence, there would be perfect anarchy.
                        6. Life will not be a pyramid with the apex sustained by the bottom, but an oceanic circle whose centre will be the individual.
                        7.The spirit of the age. Things undreamt of are daily being seen, the impossible

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                     Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     Ghandi is also reported to have been a pedophile and a wife beater. I would think those who think Trump sleeping with an adult porn star is terrible and outside of the realm of acceptability would find Ghandi less than admirable.

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                        Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        If you mean Gandhi wife he married at age 14, at that time that was normal.
                        
                        Gandhi did have a haram like some other Religion culture do. He did sexual experiment with women. No proof of women beating or court conviction. And his views on sex were not always popular; "abnormal and unnatural" I would not compare his sexual behavior worst than Trump for sure. Yet Trump or Gandhi sexual affairs is none of my business or the Nation's, unless someone is being seriously harmed.
                        
                        In time what ever Trump quotes will be noted by mentally ill therapist since 100s would love to testify now..
                        
                        Where Gandhi already pass the test of time and will continue being quoted for wisdom and peace.

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                           The0NatureBoyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                           Even today it should be since, because of growth hormones in the foods we eat, children are skipping adolescence even before they are naturally scheduled to separate from parents, age twelve, some are entering puberty as young as 8 years old that I know of. However, I don't recommend any mating at that young age by neither gender.
                           
                           However, any None Consensual sexual forced upon anyone should be prosecuted and much like killing, without a statue of limitations.

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                              Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                              There is double the divorce for marriage under age 30. It a good idea to know what you Wang in life.
                              
                              In 1890 people only lived to age 42 average. Age 14 would be like age 27 back then. Different time and culture too.
                              
                              I was barely old enough for marriage at age 35.

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                                 The0NatureBoyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                 Between 19 and 31 I was married twice since what I desired, someone born on or near my birthday and to get married on our near the mid point between the birthdays required two.
                                 
                                 I was never the marrying kind but my Ego, aka destiny, required that of me. I never liked being controlled not wanted to control anyone, was always a seeker of some new thing to experiment with. That's why I gave up civilization and became the nomad for 33 years, objectively exploring, participating and reasoning to find answers to satisfy my thirst for understanding life and it's purpose. That's why I say "I am everything all other human are."

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                                    Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                    I am, what I am, what Popeye used to say. A world citizen aim to bring bio -organism energy and life back again. To maximize happiness and minimize suffering.
                                    We could be heading to similar paths.

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                     The0NatureBoyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     Any one title anyone called themselves I am, I am the sum of what human are, Castlepaloma.

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                  The0NatureBoyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  We each should live as our ego directs us which is our individual destinies require of us.
                  
                  We will live however our ego directs us, being satisfied with earth and what is happening here on or take the selfish route "for ourselves, our families, our communities, our nation and posterity," it is already programed into our individual bodies to do it that way.
                  
                  "To make a better world now," not if it isn't programed int us.
                  
                  "To be here now," we can not be here and now without it being our destiny even to take our own lives isn't possible unless it is destiny.
                  
                  "To be like Gandhi Now." No, be who you are destined to be and the only way to do that is follow one's ego.

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         MizBejabbersposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Elijah, if you want to get philosophical about all this, the U.S.A. is the reincarnation of Atlantis to give the Atlantean souls a chance to pay their Karma. Atlantis was destroyed by the Sons of Beliol in their fight against the gentle spiritual followers of the Law of One. The Bible mentions them as followers of Baal. Do you think the Atlantean souls in this country are going to blow their second chance?

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            Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            This is very interesting, MizBejabbers, I feel that mission to correct and prevent ... can't say what exactly. I just know THINGS COULD GO WRONG!  very wrong.
            I must have been there, during the fall of Atlantis. I think it had to do with the child going bad and how the parents contributed to it with over- permissiveness, over familiarity, wrong type of education, and misunderstanding the true needs of the developing human during childhood.
            
            Your comment about Dr. Spock 's book being used to give a good spanking is hilarious. I read his books when raising my son. He told parents to never say no to their children or they will say it back ! So, I never said no to my son. How did that work out?
            
            ... not good until I met my Mentor who had been Dr. Montessori's assistant in India. She presented the idea of boundary setting in order to give freedom to the child and preserve his joy of life. Montessori was three hundred years ahead of her time. There are some parents who are catching on today.
            
            The child needs an environment where he is free to work with other children of all ages using didactic materials designed to facilitate self-teaching through the use of his senses. The materials and methods Montessori invented assist the child's understanding of math, reading, writing, science, art ... all the things which help him build his psyche enabling him to become very capable and strong as he matures.  ETC.
            
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMdZ1r_YVpA

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               The0NatureBoyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               If my understand that Revelation 21 represents Atlantis then there were not  any children born during that time (verse 4) but there would be some things else which would prevent them-en-mass from being "saved" at that civilization's end. See my reply to her below.
               
               However, actually education at any level will do what you suggest in your closing remarks.

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            The0NatureBoyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            If by Atlantis you are referring to Revelation 21's civilization people who remained on earth after the "waters" (people) were divided had some went above the firmament in Genesis 1, yes, they will mostly blow their chance since, per the 10 virgins parable, only 10% of any civilization's end's population is to be "saved".

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      crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      This particular forum appears to be proof that too many states have legalized weed.

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         most of the threads I start become pretty smokey. I don't know why ... I hate the stuff. My hope is that legalizing it will make us realize we are better off without it ... recreationally that is. I suppose its helpful in pain and anxiety relief. I don't know. .. uh oh another smokey thread might be emerging ...

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            crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Perhaps we should make alcohol illegal too then.

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               Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               Are you kidding to make tobacco, sugar or alcohol illegal. The would ruin the UN mandate to bring our world population down to 2 billion for our safety. Cannabis has killed no-one directly in its history, how is that safe?

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                  Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Must of threw over heads on this one.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

   East and West have a lot to share with each other. I think they are doing it.
   Don't you?
   We also have a lot to NOT share. To hold back on.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

   I don't know what nature boy is. I think he is a "back to the garden"-er.

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      The0NatureBoyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      That also, KLH.

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