The Brilliance of America's Oncoming Tyranny
Divide and Conquer.
Make the enemy of my enemy support my Tyranny.
Control the narrative, change the focus.
What was the focus in 2015?
"Donald Trump came to the Detroit Economic Club, and stood there in front of the Ford Motor executives, and said, ‘If you close these factories as you’re planning to do in Detroit and build them in Mexico, I’m going to put a 35 percent tariff on those cars when you send them back, and nobody is going to buy them.’
It was an amazing thing to see. No politician, Republican or Democrat, had ever said anything like that to these executives. And it was music to the ears of people in Michigan and Ohio and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
Whether Trump means it or not is kind of irrelevant because he’s saying the things to people who are hurting. And it’s why every beaten-down, nameless, forgotten working stiff, who used to be part of what was called the middle class, loves Trump. He is the human Molotov cocktail that they’ve been waiting for. The human hand grenade that they can legally throw into the system that stole their lives from them.
On Nov. 8, Election Day, although they’ve lost their jobs, although they’ve been foreclosed on by the bank, next came the divorce and now the wife and kids are gone, the car’s been repo’d, they haven’t had a real vacation in years, they’re stuck with the sh–ty Obamacare bronze plan, where you can’t even get a f—ing Percocet. They’ve essentially lost everything they had, except one thing. The one thing that doesn’t cost them a cent and is guaranteed to them by the American Constitution: the right to vote.
They see that the elites, who ruined their lives, hate Trump. Corporate America hates Trump. Wall Street hates Trump. The career politicians hate Trump. The media hates Trump — after they loved him, and created him, and now hate him. Thank you, media.
Trump’s election is going to be the biggest ‘f— you’ ever recorded in human history. And it will feel good. For a day. Maybe a week. Possibly a month. And then?"
The rest of Moore's prediction of course didn't come true:
"When the rightfully angry people of Ohio and Michigan and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin find out after a few months in office that President Trump wasn’t going to do a damn thing for them, it’ll be too late for them to do anything about it. But I get it. You wanted to send a message. You had righteous anger, and justifiable anger. Well, message sent. Good night, America. You just elected the last President of the United States."
Michael Moore saying it live:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMm5HfxNXY4
Two things he did not predict did occur instead.
The establishment was able to embody the anti-elite, anti-establishment, anti-corruption, pro-America sentiment into support for Trump (Trumpism, Trumpster, etc.)
They were then able to label Trump and any supporter of him a Racist, Sexist, Extremist, Anti-American, Anti-Patriotic, threat to America.
The overwhelming majority of people who voted for Trump would have voted for anyone who championed their cause, because no one in Washington other than Trump ever did more than give lip service to their concerns or needs in the last 40 years. Since Reagan.
In truth I believe far more people were motivated to vote for Obama because of race than those that came out to vote for Trump. But that is another matter, as is how the media played its part in maximizing the racial tensions and magnifying any racial incident that occurred in the country.
This is a necessity.
One needs to find ways to pit American against American, by creating new issues (sex change for minors) and adding new chaos into the system (currently averaging over 2 million untracked, undocumented migrants crossing the border a year), allowing for mob looting to go unpunished, embroiling the world in a war that will have energy costs skyrocketing as soon as the November midterms are over (you thought last year's gas prices were high?)
One needs to stir those who have felt slighted or maligned by past transgressions of the State (of the majority) and constantly remind them of the worst element of the other (white males) get them to fight based on race, or sex, other Americans... make them take up the battle against their fellow Americans... rather than be focused on the true cause of their hardships, the true cause of higher costs, lower wages (in relation to inflation), worsening safety (homeless and crime skyrocketing) and holding their government accountable.
In 2015 there was no one person to embody the ire of Americans for their government into.
But now they have Trump. The villainized, racist, raping, traitorous Trump.
If you speak out against Open Borders and millions flowing freely into the country, if you question the wisdom of three-year-old children getting 'gender-affirming care', if you question why politicians have great health care but you don't, you're a Trump supporter.
You are a threat to Democracy.
You are an extremist and threat to the Nation.
This is how you insert the onset of Tyrannical rule and control as a growing percentage of the population turns against its government and demands change. This is how you ensure its decline as International corporatism and the continued concentration of power and wealth shifts to a shrinking elite class.
Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, and yes even a do-gooder like Elon Musk are more powerful today than all but the largest tycoons of the past (Rothschild, Rockerfeller, Carnegie) while corporations like Google, Apple, Microsoft, have more wealth and influence than most nations.
"Trump and Trumpism have been a threat to the democratic process and if Mr. Biden erred, it is that he was too mild in his description."
~ Creedence2
https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/356 … ost4261825
The people who wanted to challenge their government, wanted to rid it of corrupt politicians (Schumer, Pelosi, Biden, McConnell, etc.) those that America never seems to be able to get free of that have been there 35-45+ years, have now been codified into Trumpers and Trumpism.
Trump.
How would they have been able to label and identify over 75 million Americans and divide a nation so well, without him?Those who live under the influence of evil spirits will never see the wisdom in your words.
As always poignant. This stuck out to me.
"If you speak out against Open Borders and millions flowing freely into the country, if you question the wisdom of three-year-old children getting 'gender-affirming care', if you question why politicians have great health care but you don't, you're a Trump supporter.
You are a threat to Democracy."
Some years ago all Americans would have taken note of all you mentioned problems. Now, many blindly see past these problems, as if they don't exist. In my view, this is the most dangerous problem we face in America. A society that has been well unleashed to accept the abhorrent as very acceptable. Such as maiming children, inspiring radical thought in our schools, and bashing our history, and our religions.
We have a Government infested with those that will pit us against each other in a great power struggle in that only we will be the losers. This is so clear to me, and frustrating that many do not recognize what is going on.Very well said and unfortunately too true.
I have known this for quite a while. What many people refuse to realize that the Democrats & Republicans are in bed together metaphorically. However, there are people who play the Democratic & Republican game not knowing that they have been had. The Democratic & Republican POWERS THAT BE are laughing their way to the bank, drinking champagne & eating filet mignon.
Well written and well expressed opinion. But as you already know, I am going to take some issue with the content.
Let's go back to 2015. Trump made a purely populist statement to appeal to a demographic that has believed that it was left behind. But did he follow through? He claims to understand the frustration of this demographic but who cares about what he says if he never intended to actually disrupt the Corporate tradition and do what he said he was going to do. This was the opportunity to show that he was not just another plutocrat or politician making promises and pledges that they knew well in advance that they would not nor could not follow through on.
I think that your word and your pledges are relevant and is a fair way to evaluate you as a candidate and office holder. Yes, the human Molotov cocktail, without gasoline?
How did the "system" steal their lives from them? It is the same system they were raised under.
And those "poor working class stiffs" have only Obama and the Democrats to blame? They were caught in the snarl capitalism which by its very nature will demand more and return less. So, do you really think that the very symbol of Capitalism and its excess, incarnate, is really going to help you?
I did not invent capitalism, so why blame its successful practitioners for doing what they have always done, focus on the bottom line? In such a process, people are dismissed, technology and the subsequent greed will insure that.
Trump is good for only lip service as the only cause that he champions is his own self interest.
After all this time, you still do not see that Trump is just as corrupt or more so than the "establishment" that he claims to want to defend us from?
You are in error regarding people coming to vote for Obama based on Race. Blacks vote 90 percent Democrat and for good reason, the extra 5 percent that came to polls were motivated by the candidacy of a Black citizen. No one made similar observations when Catholics came out for JFK in 1960 as the first Catholic presiden for reasons of pride. So, why now?
I am against open borders and this gender affirming care for infants generally, but I am certainly not a Trump supporter. How do you explain the contradiction?
Trump is nothing more than a placebo for the real cause of hardships experienced by so many.
Trump will always be both an immoral and amoral individual who I would not Trust with anything substantial.
Your complaint is with the capitalist system and the robber barons therein and Trump is among their number, yet he is going to help you?
"Flipping the bird" at the "establishment" does not mean breaking the law nor subverting Constitutionally prescribed protocol and procedure. Otherwise, how am I to know that Trumpers as a group are any less tyrannical than the establishment they want to replace?
Its funny that in your litany of descriptions of the "working stiff" and its grievances, it is not recognized that this is the case for most people across all races and ethnicities in America, yet Trump's appeal is minimal among non white groups. I wonder why only white folks seem to "suffer the affliction" and see Trump as a savior, while the rest of us do not? He is the champion for a defined demographic.I believe you have missed the point.
I am not defending Trump.
I am not blaming Obama.
I am saying there was (is) a large amount of Americans dissatisfied with our government, the establishment. They feel they have no representation, that DC works against them, not for them.
Those individuals were galvanized by Trump because no one else spoke to their concerns or needs. Trump did.
Trump became, in essence, the embodiment of those people fed up with the elites (1) in DC.
Trump then was labelled Hitler, a Rapist, a KKK member, and is currently being labeled a Traitor to the country.
And those who support him, therefore and according to Biden, CNN, etc. are a threat to Democracy, enemies of the nation, traitors, racists, etc.
Before Trump, they could not label and identify the growing tens of millions of people who were angry with their government and wanted to force change.
Now they can, and now our government can target the most dangerous "threats to our Democracy" and arrest them, silence them on Social Media, etc. etc.
(1)Those same politicians that have been there making one hurtful (to Americans) decision after another. For decades the key players have been the same, Clintons, Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, McConnell, etc. Presidents come and go, time marches on, these same people were there throughout the last 30, 40 years or more.In continuation of this thought:
Probably the biggest fear, was that Americans would not remain divided.
That the Credence and Kens of the world would sit down and recognize that their problems originated not from each other but from a corrupt government that was with Law after Law, Order after Order making their lives worse and stealing from their children a bright future.
Credence and Ken types would recognize and agree that the same criminals that were making the bad-for-America Laws in 1992 are still there controlling things in 2022.
There is no chance of that occurring now, an excellent job has been done dividing the country the last decade, and that division is now being pushed to the extremes by media and by politicians.
Harkening back to Biden's Philidelphia rant, this is how it was viewed by those not within the Democrat's Echo Chamber:
With the site of the signing of the Declaration of Independence cloaked in an ominous blood red, Biden ranted on about “insurrectionists” he labeled a threat to American democracy, political norms, and the rule of law.
The optics of the event were reminiscent of sinister authoritarian regimes ranging from Nazi Germany to the fascist regime of V for Vendetta.
The federal government, the establishment, since Biden's arrival, faced a threat it has not seen in over a hundred years. The belief by millions of Americans that the 2020 election was not legitimate.
Biden could have fallen back on the power of moderation, restoring the corrupt Washington uniparty by staffing the executive wing with a few prominent Republican types, those who had preferred the Clintons over Trump.
Biden could have done this while pursuing the standard policy agenda of foreign intervention, warmongering, reckless spending, that was the norm prior to Trump, while fortifying the supremacy of the federal government over state control.
Such efforts would have continued America's decline but could have served to lull enough Americans to pre-Trump apathy by reminding them that federal elections have no real consequences for Washington.
Instead, the Biden Administration doubled down on the extreme positions campaigned on, Open Borders and following the Compact on Migration; day-one signing into law new restrictions and regulations on oil production (while at the same time snubbing the Saudi Royal Family), attacking hot-button issues such as gun rights, tying state funding to public school promotion of child grooming and gender norming, leveraging their alliance with corporations to censor political opponents, and let's not forget mandating covid vaccinations of employees at a time when the country was trying to throw the crippling effects of the pandemic off.
Along the way, Biden secured funding to increase, arm, and expand the scope of federal agencies. Doubling the amount of IRS Agents, adding thousands of lawyers to the payroll of the DOJ, expanding the authority of other agencies to interfere in American's lives.
The overreach of the Biden administration has led to the casting off of the pretense of governing all Americans, the notion of liberal persuasion is dead.
Brute force and the abolishment of governing norms is clearly on the horizon and being acted upon as I type. The facade of a politically independent Supreme Court, state-controlled elections, and the role of the filibuster in the Senate are now considered by mainstream Democrats as antiquated ideals that must be done away with.
Meanwhile, the most vocal anti-Trump Republicans have faced brutal defeats electorally but still have a home in the comfortable confines of DC and on MSM networks, so long as they continue to condemn Trump and his supporters.
The impact of these decisions, however, is declining interest in traditional conservative think tanks, respect for corporate media, and the erosion of authority and power of formerly prominent Republican legislators within the party, instead of bringing the Republican base back into the fold, they are pushing more and more of them to the 'extreme'.
Republican Congressional offices are being flooded with calls and emails attacking once noncontroversial issues such as foreign aid, the FBI, and the security of elections. Republican moderates are losing resoundingly every election, and not by a small margin.
While Uncle Joe mocks “brave, right-wing Americans” that cling to the notion that their AR-15 can protect them from the F-15s he controls, the collapse of military enlistment reflects the sincere and growing disillusionment with Washington itself.
While cartoonish ads may be trying to make the military appeal to America’s growing transgender population, they all but alienate working-class boys and the antiquated ideas of patriotism and machoism.
I have no doubt that soon after the 2022 midterms they will arrest Trump, Bannon, and all other "threats", just as they have rounded up hundreds of those who partook in the Jan 6th "insurrection".
After Biden's speech in Philidelphia, how could they not?
All these extremists are a clear threat to America's Democracy, after all."That the Credence and Kens of the world would sit down and recognize that their problems originated not from each other but from a corrupt government that was with Law after Law, Order after Order making their lives worse and stealing from their children a bright future."
And how do we get people to come to that realization other than express their discomfort by the choices made at the ballot box?
After Trump and a Republican Party wedded to Trump and his authoritarian style, Biden having Republicans in his cabinet would have been more a form of capitulation.
There are still fundamental differences in how we see things politically, Ken. Many of our respective heroes and villains differ.
Trump did attempt to subvert the Democratic process with his scheme to replace certified electors with fake ones. The rabble of January 6, 2021 were not there as tourists, but to undermine a Constitutionally directed procedure and protocol. That is not "patriotism".
Biden and optics? You know that King Trump wanted a "pass in review" style Military type parade with him at the helm. He was dissuaded from the idea because of the Dictatorial appearance and the sheer expense of such a useless spectacle.
I take issue with you regarding the "Biden" doubling down, as far as I am concerned he got the "ball" back into play with his recent legislative triumphs.
I don't care about beliefs of those that basically would not accept any outcome if Trump did not win. I want proof, not just your beliefs as those that mean nothing to me.
Ken, you have a gift of parroting the standard rightwing boilerplate. Biden, increasing federal government power and all of that, for example. Overreach? Only in the eye of the Rightwinger. That has never amounted to any sort of persuasion for me.
Let me make it clear, any further incursion by the Right or anyone else to subvert the democratic process as established by the Constitution of the United States I would consider treason and should be dealt with most severely, so no kid gloves next time, Ken.
So, you really think that a weasel like Mitch McConnell would not do away with the filibuster to get the Republican agenda passed if it were necessary?
The fact the the Republicans cling to the extremes is sauce for the goose as it makes it just that more likely that they will be defeated by Democrats and moderates, as well, in the coming electoral contest. We invite the hard core Rightwinger to play "hard ball" and castigate them later for their poor judgement.
If the courts make the determination that Trump is guilty of crimes, both he and Bannon will deserve to be arrested. As, no is above the law, and I am not a respector of persons.That is your perspective, one not shared by all Americans.
Polls vary, but they show as much as half those polled and as little as 30% polled still believe the 2020 election was rigged.
There is nothing that is going to get that 30% or more of Americans to trust it, there were too many changes in that election, made in critical states, PA and GA in particular stand out as being very suspect because of the changes they made to their election process just for that election.
I think I have stated what is going to happen, after the midterm elections, Trump and many who would earnestly support him will be arrested and disappeared into a cell somewhere just like those Jan 6 folks have been.
There will not be another Jan 6th.
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Any difficulty in communicating, between you and I, may stem from different experiences and biases. But I feel the biggest wedge, now more than ever, is your commitment to Party, and your insistence to see everything in Dem vs. Rep, Trumper vs. Non.
I don't like Biden in the way you don't like Trump, but I expressed that to you long before he became President.
I don't deny you Trump's faults, you would do well to look a bit more closely at Biden's over the course of the next couple years, especially if my predictions prove out."I think I have stated what is going to happen, after the midterm elections, Trump and many who would earnestly support him will be arrested and disappeared into a cell somewhere just like those Jan 6 folks have been."
I told you.
Ken, there are many of that are not pleased with the way Washington operates. But, throwing the baby out with the bath water is not going to address the issue. Braking rules and attempting to hijack an election to your preferred choice is not an option that any one has.
What good is anyone to you who does not "walk the talk". How is that (Trump) an acceptable alternative?
Trump was controversial during 2015-16 campaign, he labeled himself with his style of race baiting and misogyny. But for true Trumpers this was just scenery along the side of the road. But for many others, these positions and attitudes we take seriously.
You can support him all you wish, but I cannot abide any change to majority rule and the people right to elect their choice, as the majority of voter sentiment. There can be no "force" that is acceptable to change that. You all are required to follow the system and not upend it.I didn't say I support him.
Trump is a very flawed individual, I recognize this and I am not supporting him, I am stating what he represents for many and why, as well as why these efforts to target and jail him and his supporters are occurringWell that began quicker than I expected, I thought they would wait to begin in earnest until after the Midterms.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/steve … mpaign=usa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRH1tVy8sFsOk, Ken, you are generally conservative, I get that. But, If you can recognize Trump as a fatally flawed individual why can't other conservatives recognize the same and hitch their wagons to an alternate star?
The idea that Biden is attacking pro Trump Republicans is just so much right wing theatre from rightwing publications and websites. Bannon is not a newcomer to illicit and illegal activity.There was a brilliant insight spoken in that video I attached at minute 11:00.
If not interested in the whole thing, take a moment to listen to a minute between 11:00 and 12:00.
On to your question.
I am more than ready to consider someone other than Trump. You should recall we had these discussions before the election.
I liked Tulsi, many on both sides don't.
What do I like about her?
She is generally Liberal, but in particular she despises America's warmongering, regime change efforts... which is why she was crucified by the Democrat Party the moment she started getting traction in the primaries.
I like Romney, he also has some very Liberal beliefs, but he happens to have alienated the Trump base, and he has been too supportive of anti-Abortion efforts to gain a large amount of support with Dems.
You forget, I even supported Obama over McCain, no one despised McCain like I did, for reasons I won't rehash.
So I am not your "typical" Conservative or Republican or whatever label you like to stick on the "opposition".
I would have even supported Warren over Biden, Biden is right there with McCain in my book of scumbags and traitors to the American people.I will check out your link in more detail.
Don't forget while you have been evaluating my posts, I have been evaluating yours as well and they lean heavily toward the Right. The positions that you take in your posts are clearly contrary to what you say.
Romney, Gabbard and even MCCain are far too conservative to attract me.
I know your position, my question remains, why do other conservatives see this "deranged personality" as their primary source?
Both parties have been guilty of promoting militarism and imperialistic practices, when have we not been that way? While I agree with Gabbard on that count, I also know that no true Democrat is going to have consistent invitations to CPAC gatherings. Which she has.
I going to look upon her with suspicion, just as you do the "so called" RINOs.I have had my moments when I have been dragged into the dirt of party and politics, despite my knowing for years that key Republicans and key Democrats are in collusion, they merely play at politics while working together the last 30+ years to pass so many laws and agreements that have done so much harm to Americans and our Nation.
But those times are rare these days, except when I do so to poke fun at someone or be agitative.... which only works on people who are too deeply entrenched into a political Party or its extreme ideologies.
I don't watch TV... I don't watch MSM... and I only read or watch news either because I am researching a topic here on these forums or because I am trying to assess what is going on relating to a Company, an Industry or a Country as it relates to stocks and investments.
I have biases based on experiences, just as you do, but I also realize what was, no longer is. America is far away from the America you knew in the 60s, those times can't come back, and if you assessed the citation clearly you could see this.
We are heading into a new America, where the Black and White storyline is going to fade into the background, because both Black and White are going to be minorities to the Hispanic population.
I don't pressure my son to do much, but I have been pushing him to learn Spanish since Middle School, he has been taking Spanish for years now, because that will be the language of America as much if not more than English for his lifetime.
You look to the past and war against Dragons already slain, the country will never be free of all racists, but there will never be a white majority that can dominate the laws and subjugate a minority again in America.
But you have been convinced that Trump could and would have.., the reasons for this are not what you think, but what I alluded to at the start of this Forum."We are heading into a new America, where the Black and White storyline is going to fade into the background, because both Black and White are going to be minorities to the Hispanic population."
We are not being inundated with Hispanics and the Spanish language yet. I don't see that as an immediate threat or challenge. What people forget is that the Anglo male still control the predominance of wealth in this country. That wealth could serve to insulate them and their system from the rise of nonwhite populations, for a time anyway. So, until that balance is achieved, the current system will remain secure.
No, the mayhem will not play out as it did in the 1960s, but the underlying themes responsible for the unrest during that period seem to rear itself like a boil on the body politic a bit too often for comfort.
What have I been convinced of, Ken? Trump and the Republicans did attempt to subvert the democratic with the scheme of fake electors. Who can deny that? I think that any attempt at such a thing is exceedingly dangerousThere are currently over 14 million illegal immigrants in the country today, they will not be deported, they and their children will be absorbed into the American population.
They are over 85% Hispanic descent, though a growing number are from Haiti and Africa, 50% are from Mexico alone.
The three most populated states in the nation are CA, TX and FL.
You can see in the pic above that the predominant race (green areas) in large portions of those states are Hispanic.
The data used to create that map does NOT include undocumented immigrants.
Currently the flow of immigrants crossing into America has topped 2 million a year, and growing, under Biden.
Currently Whites make up about 55% of the National population, Hispanics come in second at about 30%. I doubt these figures factor in undocumented migrants.
At the rate of the flow of immigrants crossing the border, Hispanics should catch up to Whites in a matter of years. Especially as what is a large portion of the White population (those over 65) die off in old age.
What you forget to mention is that wealth is concentrated in a handful of individuals, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, types.
When you factor that top 1% out of the equation, the rest of the White population today aren't a whole lot better off than anyone else. There are a whole lot of whites living in trailer parks, surviving paycheck to paycheck, or on the streets homeless.
I agree with that last sentence. Those who win the war write the history.
The loser is obliterated, and the winner glorifies their own cause and disparages the conquered foe.
Sources:
https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illeg … ion-Survey
https://immigration.procon.org/demograp … illegally/
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/ … -2010.htmlI acknowledge your reply, thanks
The graphic does not help to make your case as the overwhelming geographic majority is populated by non-Hispanic Anglos. It all simply does not seem to be as overwhelming as you claim. While i will support getting better control of our borders, I welcome a more racially and ethnically diverse society, the more the better.
As for wealth distribution, I am not speaking of exceptions but the average and median which give a more balanced picture. There will always be the Anglo male hobo in Appalachia or Oprah Winfrey, but they are not representative of the whole situation. So, in actuality, the distribution of wealth from this link below show Anglos having much more on average. Who can dispute that?
I certainly not going encourage those that seek to wreck the tenets of the Constitution and attempt to nullify my vote with my passivity and acceptance. Such an onslaught is the very foundation of war itself.
https://usafacts.org/articles/white-peo … gKcavD_BwEThe areas where the population is highest is what matters.
What the majority race of Montana is doesn't matter when the State has a population of only 500 people.
CA, AZ, NV, TX is predominantly Hispanic today, in most areas. And that majority will continue to grow.
Nothing bad about it, as I said it is going to be what puts an end to the Black - White script this country has been chasing it's tail over for as long as I've been alive.
I think we are going to see this reality as soon as the 2024 election, but it will really be the deciding factor of all elections by 2028 and thereafter.Arizona, Texas and Nevada are fast growing states, your point is taken but there remains a great deal of population in the American Midwest, Atlantic Seaboard and New England which has not been affected at this moment.
With a growing Hispanic population, I will have to wonder what new dynamic will occur as a result. I still think that ther predominant influence will not be immediate, however.
Considering the growth of states with the most electors, 2028 will be an interesting time to observe.
You should, just that one minute, he answers the reasons as to why many things occurred the last few years.
In this moment of remembering many past discussions you and I had, I can see what has come and gone.
Prior to Trump, during Trump, and during the election.
There was a great wave of resentment for DC politics and politicians, for the establishment, for Congress as a whole.
This was coalesced by Trump and he rode that wave of resentment and anger to the Presidency... Drain the Swamp.
The Wagons circled, and while Trump did disrupt things and cost a few folks in Congress and the FBI their careers, he did no permanent harm to the Swamp.
We were witness to the establishment going into action against Trump, MSM bashed Trump 24/7, politicians rallied to Impeach him, the FBI worked to arrest or sideline all those in DC that would support and forward Trump's Agenda.
And in Nov 2020 the establishment reasserted control, and as in all efforts of revolution that fail, those that supported the revolution attempt will be rounded up and jailed.
Trump will never get another shot at the Presidency, nor will anyone else that runs on a platform akin to 'Drain the Swamp'.
The opportunity for real change appears to have come and gone. Now we will see how far along the road to Tyranny we shall go.
Sorry, Ken, but you have fallen into the hole dug by liberals; if you are not on the bandwagon of Trump Hate, you fully support Trump, anything he says or does and anything the far right radicals do or say. Liberals have spoken, and that is what they have decreed.
Is it the same bandwagon as those who "hated" Obama or Joe Biden?
There is some truth to this unfortunately.
Especially when debating an issue on the Forums, it is expected that you are contributing to either one extreme or the other.
Many of those who are extreme have difficulty addressing someone who is Middle-of-the-road, Libertarians, Economically Conservative but otherwise Liberal minded types, those that don't care for either Party or their rhetoric or ideology.That defines me pretty well, but somehow defending our system, particularly our justice system of "innocent until proven guilty before a jury of peers" always seems to land me in the "Trump lover" box. I don't have to mention Trump, just question the wisdom or reasonableness of mob rule and I am automatically a Trump Lover, assigned so by the Trump Haters without regard to the vast middle that are neither.
ahhh . . . Bless your heart. It will be ok. You're not a Trump-lover.
GA ;-)
This is the problem, Ken.
Democrats, Progressives, and half of Independents are so united, they would vote for Satan himself.
But "independent conservatives." and even you (no offense intended) would rather vote for a Warren, who is, a Progressive and a liar.
Progressives, who hate Republicans and think there is a racist under every rock, and who teach our children these lies, get to have their guys in office, that is to say, the Biden's and Obama's of this world who have adopted the destructive agenda of Progressive Marxism.
So, God forbid, that sensitive conservatives might be willing to hold their noses and actually vote for the bombastic Trump who has made a profound, courageous, and Positive difference for our Nation.
But, Oh no, we can't have that!
Instead, we have Obama.2. Because conservatives have morals. Yeah right. Tell that to the women being raped at the border or the girls who regret having their breasts chopped off because of Progressive "values".
I've said it before. some "conservatives" need to stop clutching their pearls, which, frankly, are worthless in the grand scheme of things.Actually I found Trump to be rather ineffective, unprepared, and outwitted by the 'Swamp' he was there to drain.
He ran first and foremost as a candidate of the people and against the establishment, therefore it should have been expected that every believer and supporter of the 'establishement' would be out to sabotage, undermine and betray him.
The man hired people like Bolten onto his staff for cripes sakes, he hired Fauci and kept that twat around after he betrayed and sabotaged and countered what Trump said.
Trump is not the man for the job, he is an arrogant self-centered egotistical blowhard that had a real chance to make a change but was unprepared and unwilling to do what needed to be done.
He does not deserve the people's support because he did not do the people's work and truly fight the Swamp, he tried to coexist with the Swamp while insulting it's biggest power brokers every chance he got.Wrong. Do you really believe that Tulsi Gabbard has the ability to garner the respect, and fear of dictatorial nations? The only thing Iran sees in her is her ability to look good in a bikini, and to further complicate matters, she has praised the dictator Asaad.
So go ahead, vote for your Democrats.
Progressives like Credence are elated. Meanwhile, our country goes to hell because of the arrogance of Independents who cannot bring themselves to see anything beyond their personal feelings..
Once your cash is worthless and banks seize your money, then maybe you will get a clue.
Meanwhile, the most vulnerable Americans suffer. Good job, Ken.
Democrat-cy is not democratic. Democrats have lost the right to be called Democrats. They are just Liberals.
If you ask me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQk0Ze4oDiII don't think Liberal is the best term to use.
Progressive - favoring or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas.
Liberal - relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.
Progressive seems more fitting, if you are looking to be kind, or even Leftist. Liberal is what Democrats used to be.
As Zbigniew Brzezinski would say: As we have shifted to such a powerful central government [and advanced in technology and surveillance] our government features core elements common to all autocracies, such as "the oscillation between tight and loose control." alternates between periods of intense repression and relative freedom, often represented by different leaders. Brzezinski believe that there is also an underlying political cycle in which rising discontent leads to increased repression until the opposition is eliminated. Controls are relaxed until the next time that popular dissatisfaction begins to grow.
So today's Progressive Left represents the coming (ongoing) repression which will continue in a variety of ways, from banning people and topics on social media, to arresting powerful or key political opponents that threaten the establishment.
What is unusual about today's events, is that throughout history such events typically led to minorities (be they religious or racial in that State) being targeted, Nationalism rising and social unity being seeded into the education and social norms.
The exact opposite is occurring today, the majority is being attacked, the minority is being empowered, Nationalism is being attacked and Internationalism is coveted (to include favoring International agreements over National interests), norms are not being reinforced they are being dissolved (family, gender norms, protective services) but ultimately it is all being done to strengthen the establishment, the autocracy, to tighten control and eliminate the opposition.Progressive isn't the word. Progress is going forward, evolving into something higher. Leftist would be a more befitting word. The Democratic Party now has a decidedly leftist flavor which I find extremely bitter. I don't care WHO doesn't like it. I am a Liberal Democrat & I SEE THIS. The Democratic Party has become LEFTIST much to the dismay & ruin of America.
I agree, your assessment and word association is far more apt.
No Kathryn, they aren't Liberals, they are Leftists.
Well stated Ken and I, for one, am not willing to give up on the Kens and the Credences, removing themselves from all the noise and distractions {which by design, divide and conquer} and having that sit-down, that meeting of the minds, smoke the peace pipe, whatever it takes.....
I cannot give up on this amazing experiment, the United States of America, either, I refuse to.
What if we ALL could state the same and begin fixing this broken place?And yet, many of the youth are, at this very moment, being dumbed down and indoctrinated by teachers in the public state schools and left-leaning Universities across the nation. At the elementary and secondary levels, they are losing reading and writing/math abilities thanks to teachers who are instructed in the teachers' training schools and universities to teach students according to the Common Core curriculum via the heavy use of Chrome-books. (In one class room I subbed in, a new teacher had put all the books of his second grade classroom outside in the rain. He cared not a fig for the beautiful biology books and literature books that had been on the shelves for years before he was hired.)
The youth of all ages are also being influenced by corrupting ideologies of the Stupid and the Evil on the internet.
No, The school of hard knocks will be our fate.
and learn we will.
It's a pity.
... but maybe then, after it all falls apart, we can all get on the same page
or at least listen and try to comprehend one another's viewpoint.
in trying to get our world back to decency and normalcy.and I think it will be the parents who will assume the most power and influence in change.
Perhaps love of the child saves the world, in the final analysis.
I appreciate that comment and welcome you to sit down at the table and help to hash all of this out.
Amen and hear, hear Savvy! It's a fight for this great REPUBLIC! {Get it right Joe Biden, what we have here is a Republic and we aren't about to give up on it that easily!!}
We have quite enough sellouts and enemies working to rob us of it, as it is, there's no room for wishy washy, hand-wringing, fence-riding conservative republicans/independents.
If you are constantly trashing Trump and can't be seen giving him any type credit & can't seem to manage to get behind him, then you must be on board with "Obama 2"!
We are way past politics as usual, this is what it has come down to.
Choose your side, once and for all. No one should have to play a guessing game as to where one stands, be bold!You better find another savior to believe in, Trump one way or another will be barred from running for Office ever again.
That was a certainty as soon as he left Office.My one and only Savior, is Jesus Christ! I think that I have made that abundantly clear by now. There's but one Savior and God is still in control!
The establishment may like to think that they are, but they aren't!
They've had Trump in their sights since the day he first announced. Why? Why are they so afraid of this one man, this one simple man who came to Washington?
I am going to get behind and support that man! That man that the establishment is terrified of...to this day, he scares them!
How and why he keeps getting back up, again and again, after such abuse, heaven only knows, I can't say!
But, the very least that I can do is stand with the man who is still in the way {as I see it} and who still dares to give a damn!!
None of us know for sure what happens next, but I sure as heck am not about to pile on, alongside the real enemy of our Republic, *Obama2 (*credit: Savvy)Didn't mean to give offense, was just saying what to me was obvious.
This is the way of Tyranny, whether it be Stalin in the past or today in China with Xi Jinping, they arrest or otherwise eliminate those that would oppose.
It is clear that this is occurring now to Trump and his close supporters.
I don't know what you think is going to stop it, this is the FBI, DOJ, IRS doing the work, who exactly is going to stop them when they are going above and beyond what the Law allows them to do?
These agencies are being used as this Administration's Gestapo.
Those that don't understand this, will come to, over the next couple of years."These agencies are being used as this Administration's Gestapo."
That is a grossly partisan point of view. If the shoe were on the other foot, I don't think that you would be saying it. It appears that any adverse action against Trump even if warranted is considered "over the top" by any Trumper.
This man could do no wrong? How naive can you get?Credence, just because you support the efforts of this 21st century version of the Gestapo doesn't mean it is any less apt a description for what is occurring.
You are the fully partisan extremist, I have no such party allegiance, I do not do or die for a Party, as you do.Not intending to offend, but I do or die over a set of principles that is adhered to more by one party over the other
Part of your "adherence to party' has been villainizing the other Party, having vehement disdain for those who support what they feel just as strongly about.
Many times you have stated they must do whatever it takes to eliminate, Trump and the Republicans.
You are supposed to put forth your ideas, ideals, and agendas and win on that basis.
The Democrats are not doing that. They are raiding, arresting, disparaging and even declaring war against the opposition in a Presidential speech.
As you know I have no love for Biden... nor do I support Trump, I do not want him returned to the Presidency.
If Trump really had such dangerous followers of courage and conviction, those willing to put their lives on the line to make a revolution happen...
If Trump had those types of followers, there would have been a real insurrection and there would have been many politicians that died on Jan 6th, the government may have even been overthrown and a Trumpocracy installed.
We never came close to that occurring. Without at least some of the FBI, CIA, and military behind such a move, how could it even be considered a serious threat?I give as good as I get, Ken. My progressive stance has been subject to attacks, do I just wilt like a posey in the face of them?
My 'do anything' means what is lawful. I discredit the Right when and wherever I can as a danger to America and pull the levers in the voting booths consistently against their candidates. I never spoke of anything extralegal as a remedy.
I do put forth my ideas, ideals and agendas, and take on all comers without intimidation or fear.
Well, Biden is right about the MAGAs, they amount to a MAGAton of trouble for all of those that choose live within the bounds of a democratic system. Remember, Ken, all of you guys say that you are non partisan and choose to sit on the fence and look the other way, while for the first time in American History the procedures associated with Constitutional prescription for the counting of electors had been deliberately tampered with so that one party could obtain power outside of the will of the people. That is a fact and not just conjecture that no one can prove.
That is far from just a difference in politics, but an unacceptable assualt on very principles of democratic government that will always put me off against the Republican Party for this very attempt as well as against those that try to minimize the magnitude of the affront.
If you support the concept of Trumpism, you just as well be supporting Trump. And you do support Trumpism as an ideal, don't you Ken?
There were not enough people amongst the rabble of that day to even consider taking over the Government. But the idea of such a threat to our democratic governance as presented by this mob must never happen again.
Trump tried to accomplish this theft and that is enough for me to hold him and his syncophant collaborators in contempt.
It is not a matter of dying for a Party. It is a matter of understanding that Progressive ideals benefit dictatorships & when idealists vote for mushy moderates, they get the Biden’s & Obama’s of this world who are destroying this nation.
Moderate conservatives really need to stop thinking so much about themselves, for that is so selfish. There is a whole world out there that depends upon our strength as a nation. Do you really want to see the poor get poorer all around the world? Do you really want to see your freedom stripped away from you little by little… Because of your voting conscience?
For God’s sake! What will it take for “independent conservatives” to get a clue?
Will they only understand once the government freezes their assets & they can no longer buy and sell?
No conservative here needs to apologize or explain their vote to any Progressive. They don’t care. They have your moderate vote to keep winning.
They know they have moderate conservatives in their back pocket.
Meanwhile, the world will suffer even greater atrocities.
I agree that 'it' is a partisan view. And I agree with your 'shoe on the other foot' thought. But, there is a big 'but' that goes with that agreement.
Half of America has seen 6 years of failed political efforts to can the man. I think they would say those efforts were "over the top." Ken's comment sounds a lot less conspiratorial now than it would have 6 years ago.
The Democrats set themselves up for this. They should not be so surprised by conservatives' reactions of distrust.
GAWell, to be honest, GA, Trump has always been his own worst enemy. His campaign focused on race baiting and misogyny like none that we have seen in modern times. On the very day of his inauguration, women protested his approach and attitude all over the globe as part of an adoring fan base?
And to really give credibility to the idea that the entire US government is out to get him as part of personal vendettas or the "Deep State" rather than just doing their jobs is "over the top". The so called corruption of these agencies that Trump claims is the case is just a selfish reaction to him not having his way. Hasn't that always been his MO?
The first impeachment was due to his tying up appropriated congressional funding to a Balkan nation insisting that the leader give up information regarding a potential political rival. That is unethical.
I could easily blame the Republicans for every impediment they put before Obama during his administration, much of that was translated through obstinance and out Right lies regarding his point of origin and his scholastic achievements. And ironically, we know who was the driver behind that.
He continues to have and has an exceptional profile because of an exceptional record (in the negative sense).
Honestly, GA, when have we ever seen his like?
So, don't blame the Democrats, Trump is and has always been a jerk and he continues to reaffirm that in every way, every single day."His campaign focused on race baiting and misogyny like none that we have seen in modern times."
How can you say that with a straight face after watching our exalted White House Leader make race and sex the two leading priorities for consideration of the highest court position in the land? Ignoring all moral, ethical and legal values, he chose race and sex to hang his hat on.It seems those on the left can keep blinders on when needed.
How can you say that with a straight face when your current president chose his vice president based on her sex and color? (Ignoring all moral, ethical, and legal values. He did not choose the best person for the job, he chose a person with one sex. He even stated before he chose her that he was only choosing a woman.)
You got it... Biden is a straight-up old-style politician, he will do anything to get votes. Hence pay off 10,000 student loans. I could go on and on.
Just note all the women he hired, most inept in their jobs. In my view, Biden does what he is told.
I did not approve of how Biden approached this issue, he should have simply made his selection and filled the court vacancy.
However, for every Biden and Democrat faut pas in regards to racism and misogyny there are 100 GOP based ones. But as always, my problems with conservatives is where they believe that 1 out of 100 is the equivalent of 99 out of 100, and that's the difference. It is always a matter of frequency and magnitude and that is important as no one is perfect.
I can honestly say --- I have never witnessed Trump race-baiting. Biden has race boats as needed, and this is so very clear. How in the world do you not realize or note this? I feel you have been caught up in a swirl of misconceptions in regard to Trump.
Trump held off on an arms sale (as he explained to his administration ) due to the reputation Ukraine had for corruption. He made a presidential decision. He ultimately researched, got to know Ukraine's new president, and sold him the weapons. Actually, he armed them as no other president had ever done. The impeachment was ridiculous. This may have been spayed on lied about and dragged over coals. The FBI spied on him, throughout his entire presidency... With one failed investigation after another. There was no there, there. Our FBI has now been implicated in paying a Russian citizen to gather garbage on Trump for the last three years of his term.
And yes, he continues to have and has an exceptional profile because of an exceptional record with some. The some that kept a clear head through all of this crap that the Dema and media have perpetrated.
My God, it's time to open your eyes. The Democrats have tried to destroy Trump and just are not successful due to the fact he has not done anything but represent the American people the very best he could. All of the people.
No, it was, and still is the Democrats that perpetrated this disgusting display of misinformation, with the help of the media.
He continues to fight and will continue to fight to bring out all the corruption that the Dems have perpetrated. He is well on his way to bringing out the truth.Sharlee, like I said, it is a matter of frequency and magnitude. I have provided links numerous times delving into his background regarding these matters. One example regarding Biden is not the equivalent of dozens by Trump.
I guess OUR entire electorate are all being misled by misconceptions as Trump support among our demographic is very low? That is, of course, if we are to distrust our lying eyes? How do you think that he lost in the battleground states? The Urbanites sealed his fate. You have to possibly rethink the idea that all of us have just fallen from turnip trucks and are so easily deceived by the media, while your view is always crystal clear?
Trump tried to steal from me the integrity of my democratic based government, just as he has stolen from so many thoughout his sordid lifetime. And you all just look upon that as another rainy day Sunday? That is all I need to see, as the most grevious offense ever in the history of the Presidency.
Trump is his own wrecking crew. Who else would be stupid enough to box up top secret documents and take them home and still expect not to be held accountable for it?
And you are back on Trump again. My response was to your, (et al), 'with them or agin' them', perspective of 'Trumpers'. It wasn't about whether Trump is/was as you say, or 'they' say, it was about the reality of perception.
For 6 years the Democrats have repeatedly provided the 'smoke' that Republicans are sure, is hiding the fire of their real actions. And for 6 years Independents, (aka moderates), as a political entity, have been increasing in size as we watch one fringe out-denounce the other fringe.
Look to your own example. You equate a couple of paragraphs worth of horrible qualities to a majority of American adults, (politically), because they disagree with your extremisms.
As a note, the 'italics' used were points that both sides are sure they are right about.
GABack on Trump again, GA? Who is the man that you are referencing as being hounded for the last 6 years, in your own comment?
Perception is always relative.
Trump and his henchmen tried to steal my Democracy in the waning days of 2020 that is all the smoke and fire that I need.
The people that sit on the fence or choose to ignore this and look the other way for any number of reasons are accessories to Trump and Trumpism and are of no greater value in the scheme of things. I am really not as extreme as I am being painted by the other side.I wasn't referring to a man, I was referring to actions against a man. In the context of the discussion, (i.e. why Trumpeters are so).
You think he tried to steal the election, and I think he tried to steal the election, but there are, seemingly, fertile grounds for Trumpeters that don't think he did. Grounds that have enough seeds of doubt for those that want to doubt.
I don't intend to speak for 'Tumpters,' they do well enough on their own. What I am talking about is your, (generic), lumping of all non-anti-Trumpers as Trumpeters. It's incorrect and it's damaging to your arguments.
GAYou certainly have that one right. Just not interested in listening to anyone that declares I support, favor and appreciate everything Trump does, legal or illegal, because I don't hop onto the "Hate Trump" wagon.
It isn't just damaging - it turns it into something totally irrelevant to any conversation.Those that accomodate Trump and Trumpism by ignoring, sitting on the fence or otherwise are just as bad as the main event IMHO.
Trump and his henchmen tried to steal the election and you are not alarmed? And somehow still the Democrats are to blame?
( Non-anti-Trumpers as Trumpeters?) just a bit confusing but sounds a lot like "good cop, bad cop". If you are not against Trump are you indifferent to him and his "movement"?
How could there be any question about Trump's actions not undermining the "process"? The Trumpers don't care as they are more concerned about restraining the left, liberalism and clinging to a fantasy like sugar plumbs in their little heads that Donald Trump put there and they would see giving up the very concept of democracy as a fair trade. I will accept only so many coincidences before I am going to start to look for a pattern as an explanation.
I get on you over spliti g hairs down to a micron level instead of simply acknowledging what is clearly before you. It is like trying to nail jello to the wall.The one thing, above all, is that after 7 years of the most intense "investigation" ever conducted by our country there is not one conviction of the man.
But he's guilty anyway - mob rule guarantees that as the mob cares nothing for law, for courtrooms, for jury, for counsel or representation. Just guilt.Is it mob rule?
How many want to see Trump jailed/destroyed?
How many of the people who voted against him are fine and happy with him being out of office now and they just want to move on?
What small percentage of Americans actually believe he and those who voted for him are a "threat to Democracy"?
Who is keeping Trump viable, who is keeping him in the news, if not for Biden and those Democrats in Congress determined to keep talking about him?
Do they need to keep the focus on Trump, do they need to keep threatening America with those evil, dangerous Trump supporters, to keep attention from focusing on them, or the economy, or the border crisis?
Good one.
Americans, collectively, really don't dwell on the past. Every time they go grocery shopping, pay a medical bill, fill up the gas tank... well, let's just say I don't think they are worried about Trump or how he threatens Democracy in those moments.
As to how Americans could come to the conclusion that the Election wasn't legit... well, lets give credit to Time Magazine and others for not being able to contain themselves writing in earnest about how they "pulled it off":
https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
Also, there are more than a few reports out there, testament to the fact that there was quite a bit of fraud in that election:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/artic … 378.html#!
"In 2016, there was no unexplained gap in absentee ballot counts. But 2020 was a different story. Just in Fulton County, Georgia, my test yielded an unexplained 17,000 votes – 32% more than Biden’s margin over Trump in the entire state."
Not counting, of course, the general change in the election process States like PA instituted right before the election and the lack of accountability of those votes in PA that came in after election day.I hope that the women give more concern about being turned into reproductive slaves over paying more for milk at the checkout line.
I could not see the time article, and Real Clear Politics, is a notoriously conservative mouthpiece. In spite of that, the author stated that the 2020 election was not contested by him.
I had questions about the legitimacy of the Bush win over Gore in 2000. Trump lost and no one is going to dredge up the arcane in an attempt to change that outcome.
You nailed that jello with your opening line: non-Trumpers that don't hold your view are just as bad as Trumpers—in your honest opinion.
There is no splitting of hairs here. I acknowledged your point but disputed your extrapolations. Not leading the anti-Trump bandwagon is not being indifferent. Thinking the Democrats have persecuted the man is not the same as thinking he is innocent, (or guilty).
As an example, consider the Ukraine incident impeachment. It is fair to question its validity when VP Biden did the same type of extortion—very vocally and publically, and Democrats didn't have a problem with it. What facts do you have to justify one action but condemn the other?
GAAs an example, consider the Ukraine incident impeachment. It is fair to question its validity when VP Biden did the same type of extortion—very vocally and publically, and Democrats didn't have a problem with it. What facts do you have to justify one action but condemn the other?
Really, GA? SMH
You know better.You should explain. Just the high points would help.
GA
If interested this please read
117th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. RES. 57 ---
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
January 21, 2021
Mrs. Greene of Georgia submitted the following resolution; which was
referred to the Committee on the Judiciary
Impeaching Joseph R. Biden, President of the United States, for abuse
of power by enabling bribery and other high crimes and
misdemeanors.
Green lays out a complete case for impeachment... To include factual names and dates to add facts to her account. Yes, the impeachment request lays dormant at this point. But this document truely gives an example of possible deep corruption between Hunter, his dad, and foreign entities from that Hunter was receiving money. It also lays out the very concerns the White House had in regard to the optics that Hunter Biden presented, in regards to Ukraine.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BIL … es57ih.htm
In my view, this far outweighs a recorded Phone call to the president of Ukraine, which Trump himself released the minute the call was brought into question due to leaks.
It would seem this kind of possible corruption can be ignored, explained away, by some Democrats.
If all Green has laid out is true, Biden needs to have an impeachment trial
This kind of accusation needs to see the light of day. These kinds of allegations can be tracked following the money. Trump's impeachment over a phone call was in my view ridiculous, all opinion, and hearsay.
He was president Of The United States he had every right to hold up an arms sale. It was proven he offered his concerns that he wanted to look into corruption, before selling them weapons.Those who will support tyranny will overlook any and all crimes by their leadership.
Even those crimes bragged about at a Council on Foreign Relations shindig in front of an audience and recordedYes Ken, agree, "Those who will support tyranny will overlook any and all crimes by their leadership."
"Even those crimes bragged about at a Council on Foreign Relations shindig in front of an audience and recorded"
Yes, Biden certainly did give perfect evidence in that respect. No question in my mind he wanted the AG that was investigating his son out of office.
"More than 150 transactions from the Bidens’ business dealings have been flagged by U.S. banks through filings of Suspicious Activity Reports (SARs) to the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network,” Rep. James Comer (R-Ky.) wrote to Edward Prewitt in a letter obtained by The Post. “Text messages show that Hunter Biden was aware of these SARs and took steps to avoid detection in his financial dealings.”
Could you imagine if this were one of Trump's children?
Wanted to post Green's impeachment request to show the hypocrisy and actually poor mindset of some that ignore these serious allegations in regard to Biden, and his son. The fact that some can overlook Biden's --- "and the son of a bitch was fired" Joe Biden. Yet find Trump's recorded phone call with the president of Ukraine to be criminal is beyond common sense.
I think Green's request to impeach Biden will be considered if the Republicans take the majority. Most likely the firsts thing they tackle. One will only need to follow the money and the evidential documents, as well as his idiot son's laptop trove of information, to rid the White House of Joe.I think every president will not face a very real possibility of impeachment. As soon as it became an accepted political ploy to remove opponents the jig is up and everyone will face it.
Well, yes this could be true. However, in my view, the impeachment procedures are public, a trial. I think in my view, after lots of research, I feel there is a lot of physical evidence of Biden's scams. Evidence that will be hard to make even appear legitimate by the best defense.
The results of the investigation will speak for itself. What is the current status? This investigation has been dated back to at least 2018.
As far as Marjorie Taylor Green, she is an embarrassment to the GOP. This woman is wildly unfit to hold any office. She is the beneficiary of a small group of QAnon supporters who bothered to show up and vote when most others were either too busy or not interested. Let's hope that doesn't happen again.Green laid out more than adequate reasons for impeachment. I fully expect if congress gains a Republican majority, we will get to the bottom of all the allegations in regard to Biden and his son.
I also fully expect if our new president is a Republican he will clean house in the DOJ and FBI. Which is long overdue.
Not willing to deflect to All that is Green, other than what you find on the link I posted to her impeachment request. She put forth a good document and case for Biden's impeachment.
More than willing to discuss the Biden investigation. There is a lot of information available on Hunter in regard to evidence of his many ploys.
I am sure many others in Congress will step up with similar, and many other reasons to impeach Biden.
I am still trying the sort the wishy from the washy in your comment, GA.
But in all fairness, I voted for Biden not because he was my ideal choice, I suppose many voted for Trump to keep America on a clear rightwing bent. It did not matter how ugly its standard was.
Well, I do lead the anti-Trump bandwagon and mince no words about it.
As for the Biden example, I have seen plenty of reports that say otherwise regarding this accusation against Biden. It should amount to something unless you are among those conservatives that screen out the preponderance of mainstream media in favor of a few notoriously biased rightwing web sites?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden … acy_theoryCredence, you do know wikipedia, fact finders, most of these sites are today run by people who have extreme bias.
They are as suspect as any report from CNN.
I'll take Biden's word for what he did over some mash-up cover-up written on Wikipedia.I said nothing against Biden, relative to the comparison. I compared the two acts and say they are the same; high-level governmental coercion. Surely you don't disagree with that, but with the rightness of one over the other?
Start there. Both were acts to coerce a foreign leader to do something we wanted in exchange for money, (arms, assistance, whatever). If that's a step too far, for you, it means we aren't talking about the same thing.
If that is a step you can take, then the next one is the validations for "why."
I don't think we need to argue about them. We are already three steps removed from the impeachment claim and we shouldn't be that equivocal when it comes to the seriousness of impeachment.
GAWe are three steps closer to impeaching Biden, and getting to the bottom of the obligation in regard to his son, and brother.
November will dictate Biden being impeached. If the Republicans don't take the majority, Biden will skate.Leave my three steps right where they are. I don't want them near any more political impeachment drives. That stuff is contagious.
GA
I guess that I am hanging on to IBs comment as to whether we are comparing the situation between Trump and Biden as two apples when such may not be the case. I will start there. What Impartial journalistic sources supports the positions taken by you, Ken and Sharlee?
I see GA point --- "I compared the two acts and say they are the same; high-level governmental coercion. Surely you don't disagree with that, but with the rightness of one over the other?"
It seems Trump was accused and impeached over a phone call that the Democrats in Congress felt was coercion, due to Trump requesting Zelensky investigate Biden/ Burisma.
Biden clearly stated in an interview, that if prosecutor Shokin was not fired, Ukraine would not receive promised aid from the US. This certainly appears to be similar. Although, Trump had the power of the presidency to request anything from a foreign nation. The president of that nation can respect or not respect the request.
It has widely been reported that Biden gave the ultimatum to fire the prosecutor Shokin because he wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, This was according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe. I have been able never found any identification of these said men. So Biden withheld $1 billion in aid to Ukraine to pressure the government to remove Shokin from the Prosecutor General's Office.
You do not see similarities to what Trump asked, he wanted an investigation into what he expected could be corruption on the part of Biden and his son.
Biden made a request that Shokin is fired because he wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians. Trump made a similar request that he wanted Hunter investigated, and wanted the current
prosecutor to investigate. Perhaps he just should have told Zelinsky he do this or aid would be held, due to the country once again having a prosecutor that will look the other way...
In my view these request mirror one another in scope.
The problem I have is the media reports on Biden's reasoning to hold the money, that Biden gave the ultimatum to fire the prosecutor Shokin because he wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians. could not be confirmed with names, once again just sources.
I found trumps phone call and request that Hunter be investigated was appropriate with the fact that Hunter's money transactions were being flagged by several banks. I would think it would have been the Trump administration's job to look into this matter.
At this point, we do know Hunter is being investigated by the FBI and DOJ.
I have shared my view, that I believe Hunter was taking money from Burisam for favors, and a few other nations. Just my view, I think him a low-life corrupt immoral individual. And I feel his Dad was cashing in on favors.Islandmom's thoughts about the reasons and motives of Pres. Obama's action sound right to me. So do her descriptions of Pres. Trump's reasons.
So we all agree, right? And I still say it is fair to compare the two acts as similar actions. It is just the motivations that were different, right? If so, then the only support for our perspective is a few 'Yeah, buts . . .'
GANo it is not fair as they appear similar only on the surface, motives and objectives matter.
Motives and objectives don't alter the action, they are reasons for the action.
Consider this: You kill a man in self-defense, and you kill a man in anger. Which one isn't a killing?
Go a step further: Your reason for believing you need to defend yourself turns out to be wrong, (aka NY's Castle defense argument), are the killings now different?
GAKilling in self defense is justiable homicide, the other is not. One can get you legally absolved from guilt the other does not.
To go a step further:
If it is shown that the explanation for killing to defend yourself is specious, then It can be said that the homicide was not justified and you can be arrested and prosecuted.
Yes, so both are killing, one manner is justified as most of it is during wartime, for example, and it is not the same as Charles Manson and the Tate-LaBianca murders.
So, I believe that motives and objectives do matter.
The motives were political on both their parts.
In the case of Biden they were also about corruption and cover ups.
Biden was integral to things occurring in Ukraine back from 2014 on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jylk1h4LLqc
From 4:30 on in that video, there you have it, the source of the war in Ukraine. One that lied dormant during the Trump Administration because Trump had no desire to warmonger and antagonize Russia... but picked right back up again with Biden's presidency.We are doing a highwire act here, Ken.
Was Biden just suppose to let Russian overrun the Ukraine without there being consequences that go well into influences our alliance with our NATO partners?
I am convinced that our foreign policy needlessly put Russia in a corner and our duplicity and hypocrisy in our quests for "nationbuilding" did not help. It might be a roadmap as to how we should manage things in the future.
"Don't put an adversary in an untenable position if you don't want to find yourself in one"
But, now, how do we sit idly by?There could have been an armistice before the war started.
There could have been an armistice during the numerous meetings the two sides had since it has started.
There is a reason why we have not had such an agreement.
Biden and those who put Biden in Office by making sure he was selected as the nominee, want this war.
They want Crimea.
They want Putin.
They want Russia to be a 'banana republic' that is beholden to the whims of the West.An armistice would involve a negotiated settlement. There was nothing to negotiate, Putin's objectives for prosecuting the war were unacceptable to the Ukrainians. What armistice?
I don't think Ukrainians wanted this war.
Zelensky and a handful of his supporters perhaps, no more.
Crimea had seceded. I think the rest of Ukraine was fine with that.
Donbas needed to be negotiated. And they had done so in the past.
Only hardliners and those who wanted war had a problem with Crimea's secession. The population of Crimea is Russian, Russia has critical military bases there, historically and culturally its Russian.
So when Zelenzky went on a world tour telling anyone that would listen he was going to take Crimea back by force... war was inevitable.
March 2021
Zelensky enacts strategy for de-occupation and reintegration of Crimea
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-polyti … rimea.html
April 2021
Ukraine Declares All Options Possible, Even War, To Retake Crimea From Russia
https://theowp.org/ukraine-declares-all … om-russia/
Sept 2021
The United States supports Ukraine's efforts
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo … rtnership/
Lets see here, ah yes, Biden himself explaining it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u27qy5YViFs
Then there is this... from the Senate committee on something...
TABLE OF CONTENTS
I. EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
II. INTRODUCTION
III. CONFLICTS OF INTEREST
IV. THE VICE PRESIDENT’S OFFICE AND STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS WERE AWARE OF BUT IGNORED CONCERNS RELATING TO HUNTER BIDEN’S ROLE ON BURISMA’S BOARD.
V. SECRETARY OF STATE JOHN KERRY FALSELY CLAIMED HE HAD NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT HUNTER BIDEN’S ROLE ON BURISMA’S BOARD.
VI. STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS VIEWED MYKOLA ZLOCHEVSKY AS A CORRUPT, “ODIOUS OLIGARCH,” BUT VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS ADVISED NOT TO ACCUSE ZLOCHEVSKY OF CORRUPTION.
VII. WHILE HUNTER BIDEN SERVED ON BURISMA’S BOARD, BURISMA’S OWNER, ZLOCHEVSKY, ALLEGEDLY PAID A $7 MILLION BRIBE TO UKRAINE’S PROSECUTOR GENERAL’S OFFICE TO CLOSE THE CASE.
VIII. HUNTER BIDEN: A SECRET SERVICE PROTECTEE WHILE ON BURISMA’S BOARD.
IX. OBAMA ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS AND A DEMOCRAT LOBBYING FIRM HAD CONSISTENT AND SIGNIFICANT CONTACT WITH FORMER UKRAINIAN OFFICIAL ANDRII TELIZHENKO.
X. THE MINORITY FALSELY ACCUSED THE CHAIRMEN OF ENGAGING IN A RUSSIAN DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN AND USED OTHER TACTICS TO INTERFERE IN THE INVESTIGATION.
XI. HUNTER BIDEN’S AND HIS FAMILY’S FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS WITH UKRAINIAN, RUSSIAN, KAZAKH AND CHINESE NATIONALS RAISE CRIMINAL CONCERNS AND EXTORTION THREATS.
https://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/medi … .09.23.pdf
Hunter Biden still hasn’t divested from Chinese government-linked investment firm (June 2021)
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news … tment-firm
Joe Sells Petroleum Reserves to Hunter's Ex-China Partner
https://www.newsmax.com/larrybell/joe-b … d/1078939/First, Ken, I don't know when this "Senate report" was done as the title pages seem missing. Whatever, it is not good enough in itself to make your case. In addition to that, you provide two of the most notorious rightwing rags, the Washington Examiner and Newsmax as support ? The snippet video wasn't long enough to get the context of the conversation.
Not a chance.
I see Biden as following Obama administrative policy with there being no proof that Biden's threat of withholding had anything to do with his son, Hunter. While, Trump was the President and was involved in it for his personal and political gain against a potential rival. That is a world of difference. So, we will have to agree to disagree on this one.Yes we will have to agree to disagree, that even though Biden is one of the most corrupt politicians in history, there is no proof great enough to prove it.... to you.
I do understand, because on the other extreme, there is nothing Trump has done that is considered questionable or corrupt... to his supporters.
Good cannot come from such a corrupt evil man... and Biden is as corrupt and complicit as they come.
Hunter...MSNBC
https://youtu.be/sEfcf0OSu9c
Joe...troubled past...collage
https://youtu.be/QS5svMoKpasFirst, I believe Biden did pull this stunt to stop the Prosecutor from investigating his Son. That's just my opinion.
However, I offered what I found in my research what was being reported by the media on the why's of Biden's, you fire the prosecutor, or else you don't get the one billion dollars in the aid.
Ultimately, it was reported the US wanted the prosecutor fired due to his reputation for being corrupt. There is no information that Obama wanted Biden to have the prosecutor fired. However, ultimately it was or should have been an order from the President. Biden was in Ukraine representing Obama... He asked a foreign leader to fire one of his employees and hung the cash over his head. Is this not very similar to what Trump did --- he asked a foreign leader to investigate what he believed possible crimes that an American citizen may have been involved in? A serious crime of pay for play that could have involved an ex-vice President and his son.
Trump had not in any respect threatened verbally (As Biden did) to hold up the sale of weapons. He had held up a weapons sale when first coming into office, and made the claim to his administration that he felt Ukraine had a corrupt reputation. And that he was going to look into the situation before signing off on the weapons. Ultimately after his phone call, he did go through with the arms sale.
In my view, a president has every right to hold up aid. In this case, it appears both Obama and Trump had the same thoughts, that Ukraine had a reputation for corruption.
Trump had good reason to have Hunter investigated - not sure one should ignor this report. The facts are presented clearly.
https://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/medi … .09.23.pdf
There was too much smoke and still is, not to investigate.
Trump was the president, do you feel he should have ignored this problem due to it the political optics?
Too bad the Clinton campaign did not heed your thought. This bunch pulled our FBI into their ploy. Now many citizens have lost all trust in the agency.
Not sure how or why you are willing to look at the two incidents differently? They have such similarities.
Neither president would have been prudent in overlooking their concerns about corruption. It was unfortunate Trump had to deal with the possible corruption of a former VP's son. In my view, Trump would not be doing his job if he did not ask that the matter and the accusations be looked into.
Actually, the FBI is still investigating Hunter, as they should be due to 150 foreign bank transactions having been flagged.
Cred, too much smoke to ignore Hunter's dealings. Trump, did the right thing. We could have a very compromised president sitting in the White House.
It seems as if some felt it was expectable to investigate Trump, with little to no cause, but some just can't accept that Trump had good reason to ask the president of Ukraine to investigate Hunter's dealings in Ukraine.
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I think a lot of dancing is going on here. Maybe time to put our biases away for a bit --- In my view, both presidents were doing what they felt was the right thing to do. and both Obama and Trump were concerned about corruption.
The Democrats and the media took us all on a long joy ride, that even lead to a bogus impeachment. We could have done the same with Obama, in my view. Big-mouth Biden gave us pretty solid evidence to accuse Obama of the exact same thing Trump was accused of.Thanks for the reply, Sharlee. We have to agree to disagree and as you always say, wait on the proper authorities to do their jobs and not jump the gun as you remind me in regard to Trump investigations.
The problem here with your comment, you believe all the charges against him, you believe other presidents haven't done the same things.
So you believe the impeachment was just, you believe the current witch hunt into Trump and his close supporters is just.
I see it as dirty politics and government overreach.
I see it as the first steps of true tyrannical rule.
A couple years from now I will likely be proven right.
For those who are impartial enough to see it, they will probably agree.Trump was condemned by the Democrats and the media. They set out to condemn him without any proof of crimes. They never indicted him, yet he was found guilty. After 6 years of this, would you not think common sense would return to some that have condemned him? No, they are fed new crimes, new feed, and they just ignore all the eggs on their faces and look to be pelted once more.
My gosh, this is so unfortunate and so unreal. At the end of all this, I am proud of all those that kept a level head and did not join in the hysteria.
I will say this phenomenon has brought us to the brink, and hopefully many have now realized they were had...Ken, are you telling me that Trump had nothing to do with the attempt to illegally replace electors in battleground states? You are to let him get away with his feigning ignorance as to what went on immediate after the 2020 election along with the sheer stupidity of his hammering on the same themes for almost 2 years? Look at how many of the Republicans candidates and current office holders play into and support his lies without any proof?
Republicans are no longer a political party but a cult with their giving the ultimate fealty to their lord and master, Donald J. Trump.Ken, I have a degree in history, a passion of mine, and I don't recall anytime that a previous President even ever contemplated the actions that Trump has been shown to be guilty of.
I don't agree that the impeachment of Clinton in the late 1990s over his sexual indiscretions was appropriate, so to each his own.
If Trump or his ilk return to power, we will see more tyranny than you can shake a stick at.What I mean is all President's contact other world leaders and discuss things similar to what Trump discussed with Zelensky (who surprise, surprise is fully supported by Biden today, I wonder why?).
On January 2018, Biden spoke at a Council on Foreign Relations meeting in Washington DC, during which he bragged about how he threatened to withhold a $1 billion loan to Ukraine unless they fired the prosecutor who was investigating Burisma Holdings, the gas company his son Hunter was sitting on the board of, and making over $100,000 a month doing so.
Is that not an abuse of position and authority even more obvious and severe than what Trump did?
You keep twisting this back to Trump and his regaining power.
Trump is not going to regain power, he, and all his close supporters, will be destroyed, one way or the other, by the Biden Administration... beginning in earnest after the 2022 elections.
Like I said, only those who support Tyrannical rule and corruption will remain blind to it by 2024. There was a good percentage of Germans who supported the tyranny of the Third Reich, there will be plenty who support the governmental overreach and abuse of power we see now, and we will continue see in earnest in the following two years."What I mean is all President's contact other world leaders and discuss things similar to what Trump discussed with Zelensky (who surprise, surprise is fully supported by Biden today, I wonder why?)."
There is a dispute over this, now for the rest of the story.... see at the bottom.
What about the point of Trump usurping the democratic process, where is the whataboutism associated with that?
Your theory about the fate of Trump and his followers remain speculative. I will believe it when I see it.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump … -on-biden-
and-ukraine/Fact check . Org
Please.
Might as well give me a link to a CNN report.I have forgotten, refresh me, please on the line of this discussion?
It is throughout this thread and many others.
In short, I said they would jail Trump, I said they would not allow him to run again.
I said they would escalate the war in Ukraine. I said they would have us in WWIII before November 2024.
I have predicted with a fair amount of confidence what was to come, because the corruption of this Administration and their goals were obvious to all with open eyes who wanted to see.
I have been saying this, here, and in many other threads, for two years now.
You have repeatedly replied... You will wait to see... Do you see any of it yet, or do you still think this cabal is doing things to serve your interests?As for Trump not being allowed to run, I would have said that within the last year.
I watch and see as to the accuracy of your Nov. 2024 prediction.
You consider the administration hopelessly corrupt, that I have yet to agree with and consider that a partisan view.
Quite frankly, the only thing we are in agreement on is Trump being at the very least prohibited from running for President again, even if he does not see any jail time.
My interests are still being better served by this "cabal" than the "cabal" proposed by the Right.Interestingly, when Trump was indicted the news carried it and one of the brief discussions (on CBS as I recall) was that he could run, and even theoretically win, from a jail cell.
We've seen other ex-cons run for political position (not president) and win - Trump could do so as well. THAT would be an interesting scenario!It would be, Wilderness. The presidency, though, is not just another political position, as it touches on aspirations and dreams and the example for Americans. As a result, if Trump is convicted of crimes, moderates and independents must step away and their numbers will determine the outcome of any election.
There has been talk that the 14th Amendment can possibly apply to disqualify Trump if it is determined that his willful disclosure of classified information can be considered a form of treason. It may well not be the "long shot" believed earlier on.I would never vote for a convict to run our country. It is very unlikely I would vote Trump, even as much as I detest liberal policies that are most definitely harming our country, whether a con or not.
But I do not believe that it would be a really long shot to convert his (alleged) crime to treason. That would be more in line with the garbage that Democrats have already tried to pull on him. Nothing more than another political maneuvering without reality in order to eliminate a political rival, and one of the reasons I detest liberal politics so much.Cmon, wilderness, Trump condemns himself with his own big mouth. The politicization is just an excuse. If he were not such an orange faced muttonhead, he would have simply returned all documents when asked, immediately.
It seems for conservatives, it is like everything else, it is not possible that Trump could ever break the law or be involved in wrong doing instead, it is a Democrat party plot of weaponizing institutions and that excuse is becoming quite droll.Yeah, I get it. You want to make THIS one different. Well, maybe it is, but after the crap Democrats have already tried to pull on Trump I have zero reason to believe that this time is any different to them. They just found a better cause; the goal is still what it always was; to remove a political rival. Any crime is strictly secondary to that goal.
You have a right to that opinion, but be certain, I don't share it.
Oh, I know. To you Lefties can do no wrong, and especially when it comes to removing Trump from the scene. When that goal is being played out any and all dirty tricks in the books, legal or not, ethical or not, moral or not; anything goes if it will hurt Trump.
Two spot-on comments in a row (almost). Two 'that's what I been telling ya' (opposing views at that) comments in a row (almost).
Your view is what the Left won't believe any sensible person could have. As you describe it, I think it is one a lot of 'sensible' people do have.
GA
Interesting, probably a common feeling, the unwillingness to vote for a Con.
But if you believe the system corrupt and politically weaponized, why would it make a difference if a corrupt system convicted him?LOL Good question. And as I believe the large majority of the Hill is also corrupt, and likely criminal to boot (although not convicted) the question is a valid one.
Your first thought matches—entirely—my own. The office is more than the man. And your second thought about moderates and independents is what I've been preaching to 'you guys' (generic) for years. But you always said we were extinct, that there weren't enough of us to matter.
. . . and now you're hoping we have the sense to step away from the Right . . . because we do have the numbers to swing the election either way. Amen. I'm still optimistic.
However, your general thoughts about finding ways to stop Trump from running aren't right. Any candidate should be allowed to run if they meet the legal eligibility requirements. All other "eligibility requirements" should be determined by voters.
GAAgreed, the President sets the example of ideal American citizenship, expectations and understanding that we have had since childhood. This is not the realm of just any political hack.
When it comes to to moderates and independents, I am referring to more representation of these folks in Congress. That is not what I am seeing. Moderate and middling voices are constantly muted by the extremists of either side.
I think that it has been the Right that has posed the greatest danger and goes too far in its clinging adoration for Trump.
As for disqualifying Trump, I did say that it was a long shot from a Constitutional and legal standard. But from a practical standpoint, it is going to be hard to preside over the nation from an 8 by 10..."Agreed, the President sets the example of ideal American citizenship, expectations and understanding that we have had since childhood."
Which President has done that? The movie star turned President set the example? The black President that spread hatred of our country all over the world and created the biggest spending boondoggle in the history of the world with ACA? The billionaire that we are told fomented an insurrection? The one that wants to build train tracks across the Pacific and lost a child in Iraq?
Which one set the example for the prefect American citizen? To think that any President has been a model of the American citizen is laughable; not one of them has had any idea of what that even means, let alone lived the life.Which President had done that? It certainly wasn't the white business man who turned out to be the most corrupt, criminally engaged, cowardly, narcissistic, lying, thieving, amoral man that has ever tarnished the image of the Presidency, making Richard Nixon look like a Saint by comparison. Was it that one that lowered the bar and standards into the depths of hell, itself?Was it that one? Such as it appears in my humble opinion.
Your model is not my model, the idea being that regardless of a man's ideological or political affiliation, universal standards of decency are expected, and Trump gets a failing in most everything. Why is it laughable for the President of the United States to be a model and set the example as a leader for others? Of course, he is not going to be like you.You didn't answer which president could be used as a model for Americans to follow, just beat on Trump some more.
Well, Wilderness my point is that there is a model. Regardless of your political affiliation, most of the men that held the office were honorable and decent men. For a matter of fact, they all were, staying within the appropriate guardrails, until the introduction of you know who....
You say there is a model, but you said the President should be such a model while unable to give an example.
But I highly disagree that all Presidents were models of what Americans should be, and gave a few specific examples. None of the Presidents in my lifetime were a model of what should live in that picket fence in the suburbs.
Nor were they honorable and decent men. Nixon certainly wasn't, Clinton wasn't, Bush wasn't, Obama wasn't - there is something about infinite power corrupts infinitely and that applies to every person we've had in the White House in DC. Put very simply there is a major dearth of honor and decency in that whole corrupt system.No one that has held the office was a perfect human being.
People that live in houses with picket fences in the suburbs may not have the right stuff to be President of the United States, the standards are higher.
What standard do you use to determine perfection? The average Joe does not have to deal with global and domestic issues where the "buck stops here". The average Joe would not be able to assume such responsibility. Just because they these men were not perfect does not imply that they could not have been honorable and decent.
Yet, I have never seen a president keep such a large base. Even with all that the Democrats have thrown at him, he keeps standing and actually gained more support after this latest indictment. I believe Americans are seeing the writing on the wall. I really think the Dems are leaking support due to their support for a very confused man.
Friday poll shows Trump has now pulled ahead of Biden -- Trump beats Biden by 6 points in 2024 matchup: poll Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 … chup-poll/
Newsweek -- Donald Trump Defeats Joe Biden in Post-Indictment Poll
His all and all approval rating has dropped to 29%.
Guess Democrats need to step up their game. Maybe it's time that the party finds a new guy.
Biden continues to go down in the polls, and he is trending on Social media and ridiculed for the job he is doing; his confused demeanor; and his odd comments that carry underlying sexual tones, and invading women's spaces.Why he has such a large base of mostly white voters, remains a mystery?
Trumps dalliances with criminal type behavior certainly won't go unnoticed by those people free to look about and are not joined to the man by the hip.
So, if Biden is so culpable, bring on the formal charges of impeachment. Do you really think that it would go anywhere? Remember, innocent until proven guilty....I do not think it would, I feel it's apparent. The House would not entertain hearing it. Many Republicans have no problem with the status quo. They lack the guts to do their job. I think Biden will sooner or later do something so outrageous in public that Congress could be forced to impeach him. I mean each time he appears he seems to be more confused. hey he has a rally today ---
Yes, innocent until found guilty. However, the Republicans don't have the FBI and DOJ doing their bidding.
It doesn't add up to me.
A third of the voters will vote Democrat, if for no other reason than they want their government checks and benefits to continue being sent to them.
Another good chunk will vote Democrat no matter what because they believe as PeoplePower and Credence do, they have swallowed whole Party rhetoric and propaganda or are themselves believers in big government and socialism.
Then there are the States they control completely, like CA and NY, and the new way of controlling the outcome of elections in states with very loose Mail in Ballot procedures.
The only thing that I can come up with regarding the overkill effort to destroy Trump and make examples out of those who support him is the similar progress we have seen in other governments where the very worst elements take complete control and create a totalitarian state.You don't need your abacus to add it up, Ken, it is all pretty apparent on its face.
You seem to know so much, these days. Are Democrats the only ones receiving Government checks? Most people that vote for that anachronistic Republican party are white geriatrics, don't you think that most of them receive checks from the Government?
You have your own party rhetoric, you just conceal your real purpose with verbal acrobatics. You are just another version of "them".
You still believe all the Trump crap about tainted elections? You people believe that because the people that you just as soon not have a vote among the electorate do and are determined in record numbers to use it, the "system" must be tainted. Their very participation is the Righty's definition of voter fraud? And that may very well not be a desirable outcome in their attempt to halt or slow down the inevitable, the total discrediting of the Right, the Republican party and conservatives that hang on for dear life to its apron strings.
Until Trump is either dead, in jail, or has removed himself from the political scene, he remains fair game.The pundits are starting to talk about a possible 'lane' opening for a serious 3rd party effort. There may be a "lane" for serious 3rd party influence, but it might be more of a bike path.
Your thoughts on segment size are close to the point about that 'lane opening.' The diehards you mention aren't going to change but I think the extremes on both sides are presenting such a stark choice that 'good' Dems and Repubs (vs. diehard Ds and Rs) will look for different choices, ie. a Scott or a Kennedy (? - is there a moderate Dem candidate popping up)
GA
The obviousness of what this Administration is turning our country into is so apparent it takes deliberate effort not to see it.
Nice thing about Tucker's productions on Twitter, they aren't commercialized or controlled by a network... He is merely putting the truth out there, for those willing to hear it.
https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/statu … w&s=19I won't give a mouthpiece like Tucker Carlson the time of day, Ken..
You should listen to Carlson, it would inform your perspective.
Listening doesn't mean agreeing. Even agreeing with the "mouthpiece" description doesn't mean there aren't solid nuggets that are the source of the bias and extreme spin (just an opinion, of course) you see from him.
He is spot-on on most of the conservative values that are his mantras. It is his extrapolations of those values that separate adherents vs. 'listeners."
GABased on your advice as a moderate, I will...
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I have, and have found his opinions to be both biased and unsubstantiated.
This guy is the linchpin for what passes as rightwing intellectualism?
I see the conservative view of Biden attacking a political opponent as lyingly simplistic at best. Does it ignore the remote possibility that Trump actually broke the law? For example...
He is just another pseudo-intellectual that take lies and just make them easier to digest and palatable for those that don't know any better.
All of this from the founder of the Great Replacement Theory.
The is the background regarding conservative thinking that you wanted me to have a look at?
It is just that much more of a disappointment.
I took the the time to listen, Tucker just puts his own biased version of the truth "out there".
I am not particularly impressed...Of course not, I wouldn't expect you to be.
He is only one voice of truth opposed to countless others propagating the lies.
But the collapse is coming, it will start in Europe soon, watch Germany, it will begin to crater economically before next spring.
Biden will have a choice accept the disaster of his woke Administration and ignorant warmongering, or triple down, deny all his failures and start WWIII and attack with the full force of the State the growing unrest at home.
It's coming. It's like an open book to me. To those denying the realities around them, for those choosing ignorance and clinging to their "truth" as told to them by the likes of CNN, it's going to come as quite a surprise.What I don't get, Ken, is why do you see yourself as this great and prescient oracle of truth and wisdom? If you can see all of that in Carlson, I have to question the validity of your credentials. Why is your "open book" this unerring source of accuracy?
If it is coming, I will just chance it and wait until it knocks on the door....I'm not the only one, those more experienced and better informed have relayed the same message in greater detail.
I'm just not willing to take the time linking to the information, as I have done in the past.
As I said, its obvious to those willing to look and knowing what to look for.
Simple concepts like cheap energy makes for a strong economy, expensive energy or lacking energy crashes economies.
Printing additional trillions creates inflation, higher interest rates makes housing, autos, etc less affordable.
Ukraine losing the war and committing atrocities, men being men and not women whether they believe themselves a woman or not.
Simple stuff, obvious stuff, that lies can't mask unless you choose to believe lies rather than reality."Ukraine losing the war and committing atrocities"
Ukraine committing atrocities?
On THIS topic you are NOT one of "those more experienced and better informed"
Don't say these stupid things and expect no push back.
Again, you provide more russian propaganda.
Why?
What is your connection to them? I don't believe you are just being objective as you claim. There is more to it. I have stated often my connection to Ukraine.
I follow the situation in Ukraine closely. This is something that has been mentioned in the state-controlled russian media.If you follow it closely then you know Ukraine is losing.
You are biased and deeply rooted to one side of this issue. You have no objectivity.
Ukraine's army offensive capabilities were wiped out last year, they are rebuilding with new recruits who will be thrown into the meat grinder like the last build up was and be decimated by Russia, again.
That's the reality. They do not have the air and artillery power to defeat Russia.
Biden will start WWIII or Ukraine will lose this war.
Or Ukraine will seek a negotiated peace, and give up the territory lost to Russia. Which will not be allowed while the Biden Administration is in control.MORE russian propaganda. It's obvious you are reluctant to reveal your connection to russia. Again, on this topic, you have no idea what you are talking about. Why do you promote that which is published in russia state media? Do you follow them?
"If you follow it closely then you know Ukraine is losing."
Where do you come up with this stuff? The Ukrainian army is recapturing territory on a daily basis now that the counter offensive has started.
"Ukraine's army offensive capabilities were wiped out last year"
Huh? What are you talking about? The Ukrainian army is on the offensive right now. russia hasn't made any permanent military gains in months. If they advance, they retreat just as quickly in a short period of time.
"decimated by Russia, again"
I'm afraid if you followed this you would realize russia has sustained and continues to sustain serious battlefield losses. The russian army could be facing the worst defeat in the history of the country if things continue as they are right now.
My reply got sidetracked, so I will answer again this question.
"why do you see yourself as this great and prescient oracle of truth and wisdom?"
I ignore the noise from MSM news sources, that helps... and I stick to very BASIC truths and then research (look) for supporting evidence (not MSM propaganda).
Simple concepts like cheap energy makes for a strong economy, expensive energy or lacking energy crashes economies.
IE- Germany had a cheap, plentiful energy source being supplied by Russia. This cheap energy allowed it to be the Industrial powerhouse of the EU. Germany is now heading into a Recession at best, a Depression at worst, because it has lost that cheap energy supply and will not be getting it back and cannot replace it due to "green" energy policies.
Printing additional trillions creates inflation, higher interest rates makes housing, autos, etc less affordable.
Since Biden came into office, we have had a double attack on our economy, he has passed a variety of Bills that essentially cranked up the dept and diluted the value of the dollar (creating inflation) Biden signed the $1.9 trillion economic stimulus bill, a $1 trillion infrastructure bill, sent hundreds of billions to Ukraine, etc.
All while the Fed Res was cranking up Interest rates, this creates a hardship for those requiring loans to purchase a home, auto, or anything else. Making such purchases more expensive for those trying to get by. For those who can afford to pay cash for everything it makes no difference. High Interest rates never help the "working class".
And then there are Biden's failures on the international level, his actions to alienate Saudi Arabia and agitate against Russia have done wonders to raise the costs of energy not just here at home, but across Europe as well. When we have depleted our Reserves we are really going to see the cost of oil and gas skyrocket, last I checked he has used up more than half the Nation's reserves, lowering it to record lows since its creation.
Recognizing the lie that Ukraine is winning the war, refusing to negotiate a peace with Russia, escalating things further toward WWIII, which ultimately, I believe is the desired goal of this Administration.
You don't have to be a military genius to recognize some basic realities.
Russia has solidified its gains and set up three deep lines of defense, with air support, interlocking artillery fire, satellite imagery, drones, etc.
In order to overcome Russia's positions:
You need air superiority, which Ukraine will never have.
You need minimum, 3 to 1 manpower (troops, tanks, artillery), which Ukraine will never have.
And ultimately you need to destroy Russia's industrial base and ability to resupply its lines with troops, artillery rounds, air support, etc. and the only way this occurs is if WWIII breaks out and Russia is directly attacked by NATO forces.
There is no military scenario possible for Ukraine to win. There never was, so, either we have completely delusional leadership (which I admit is possible) or the goal was always direct war with Russia (which is insane as well as delusional)... either way this is a tragedy for the Ukrainian people, while it may enrich the MIC and may strengthen America's hold over the EU, it has weakened America almost everywhere else on the globe.LOL... and after all that, I may be proven wrong about all of it, and Biden and his Advisors right.
If what is brewing in Russia right now facilitates its collapse as a functional nation and results in its fracturing into warring states... well then DC and Brussels get everything they were hoping for.
Their gamble will have paid off.
"The West" gets a new lease on life... OPEC becomes irrelevant, a new frontier for corporations as well as individual pioneers opens up... a land of immense wealth of natural resources and energy more valuable than all of the Middle East falls under the control of Western interests.
China (BRICs) will become reliant on the Middle East and Africa for its energy and food resources, should Ukraine & Russia's production be diverted from China to the EU. In essence, removing two major challenges to US dominance for at least another decade, if not longer.That is a rosy forecast. And it makes sense. Hopefully, developing events will break in favor of that outlook.
If I use all of my Hollywood-movie-gained military strategist and understanding of 'action' (vs. the very top 'political' ones) top military commanders knowledge—that they realize the politics, costs, and danger of this war, then the Wagner guy might have some allies in the national army groups.
The West's media are surely running with that view. One can always hope . . .
GAGoing from the precipice of disaster, of epic proportions, to victory and ensured global dominance for at least another decade, saving the Dollar as world reserve currency... once the oil and gas are flowing from Russia and Ukraine to the West, the breaking of OPEC as a relevant powerbroker on Western nations will be almost immediate and permanent.
The economic impact on all Industrialized nations will be huge, China will now become reliant on its Middle East alliances as America once was, while the EU and America will be freed from them.
"Recognizing the lie that Ukraine is winning the war, refusing to negotiate a peace with Russia, escalating things further toward WWIII"
Again, this is laughable. Here is an article from 6/19...the army of Ukraine has pushed even further since then.
"Ukraine Liberates Eight Settlements As Counteroffensive Pushes On—Kyiv
Kyiv has said it has liberated a total of eight settlements in its ongoing counteroffensive amid reports that it was pausing operations to reassess tactics.
The counteroffensive is part of a long-awaited push to recapture Russian-occupied territory.
On Monday, Ukrainian deputy defense minister Hanna Maliar reported that the village of Piatykhatky in the southern Zaporizhzhia region had been retaken by Ukrainian troops."
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine … ve-1807634
"There is no military scenario possible for Ukraine to win."
I'm going to bet you never attended the US Army War College in Pennsylvania.Mike, my comprehension of military strategy is not insubstantial.
My comprehension of Russian politics, power dynamics, etc. appears to be severely lacking.
You have always inferred that I wanted Russia to win. That was not the case. I didn't want the American economy to falter, I didn't want nuclear war, and I certainly did not want to see millions of lives ruined, hundreds of thousands killed.
I will be immensely relieved to be wrong about the outcome.If you know about military strategy then you will know the history of how smaller militaries have defeated larger militaries. One of the case studies is the military victories of Israel over its enemies. This is something that has happened throughout history. Military success is more than having equipment and soldiers to operate it. It deals with the will to fight and win, the command and control structure, the leadership of a military, morale, skill of generals, and more. It requires mastering psychological warfare, successful battle plans etc. The support of the civilian population is essential as well as having a country with the political structure in place to support a war. There are so many factors. russia may be larger and have more equipment, but that is where their advantage ends. Their command structure is top down and not bottom up, I'm sure you know what that means. That puts them at a disadvantage. That is just one of many things that puts the russian army at a significant disadvantage. I will say the Ukrainian army, its civilians as well as political structure is far more motivated to fight and win than the russian army. That is a major factor in any war.
Interesting points, but when you look at the relative advantages of both sides during the Civil war, the Union's advantages in manpower and materiel eventually won over the Confederacy's will to fight and superior leadership on the battlefield.
In the early stages of the war, the south was getting victory after victory.
The reason the south lost was because of a few serious tactical mistakes. Some of their leading generals were killed. Many people believe if they would have fought a defensive war instead of an offensive war, the south would have had a very good chance of prevailing. If the south had not decided to go to Gettysburg and try to defeat the north in the north, things would have been very different. Many people believe they could have defended the south and won a defensive war.
The south did not have nearly the number of troops of the north or even the firepower, yet, they won many victories, often against superior numbers. This was because of excellent leadership as well as battlefield tactics and a truly motivated army.I have been following you and Ken on this debate over the Ukrainian military prospects as opposed to that of Russia as just as an observer as I am not qualified to make the points that both of you have made toward your perspective positions.
I would say that what offensive actions the South took were those to demoralize the enemy and show them the futility of further conflict.
If the North did not have kind of determined leadership found in Abraham Lincoln, the South might have well intimidated the North toward accepting an armistice. But, If certain variables had been different in the logistics of the war, the outcome may well have different. But considering the most likely outcome, the South's defeat was inevitable, as it simply had too many disadvantages relative to the North.
The weight of American military intervention, fresh troops and war materiel, was responsible for the loss of Kaiser's Germany in 1918.
The sheer volume of American production and manufacturing eventually brought the Nazi juggernaut to a halt.
It is hard to get around the adage regarding "biggest stick".....
Very interesting, I got distracted by my interest in military history.This was my premise for my projections regarding the Ukraine war.
Russia has an industrial base, Ukraine does not, Russia is capable of mass producing its own Ammunition, Artillery, Rockets, etc. Ukraine is not.
Russia does not rely on outside assistance for satellite intelligence, weapons, armor, or an economy. Ukraine relies on others for all of this.
Ukraine is down to a population under 20 million, Russia has seven times that.
It is very similar to our Civil War in that Ukraine, like the South, may be made of sterner stuff, soldier wise, but is lacking in all the other critical elements necessary to win a prolonged conflict.
However, this is also clearly different, in that Russia has discontent and rebellion to concern itself with from within, unrest that may unravel the Putin regime.
Until this moment, I felt that was overstated by Western analysts and strategists, clearly it is far more significant a threat than I had imagined.I think you forget one key element, Ukraine has the backing and financial as well as material support of the industrialized nations of Europe and Scandinavia as well as the United States.
If England and France as well as other European nations had thrown their financial and material support behind the south, I think the war may have had a different outcome.That Ukraine is depending on them is obvious.
You can consider that a strength if you like, I consider it a weakness, they can decide at any time, the costs are too high, the risks to themselves have grown to high... and they just abandon Ukraine.
Like they did Afghanistan.
I wouldn't expect Russia to abandon its own interests. But clearly, there are factions within Russia that make it suspect to sabotaging itself.If England and France as well as other European nations had thrown their financial and material support behind the south, I think the war may have had a different outcome.
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Another interesting contrast, Lincoln adeptly kept Britain and France out of the war.
As you indicate, Ken, all of the Russia's advantages could well be neutralized by strife and discord from within. Such as the strife created by the Bolsheviks that forced Russia out of the war with Germany in 1917.
This is what various "experts" and "think tanks" believed, in fact, this is what they planned/hoped for.
They want to carve up Russia into lesser states, and gain control over those various new State leaders. Or more to the point, gain control of the wealth of natural resources Russia has... Ukraine's as well.
Russia and Ukraine are worth more than all of the Middle East and North Africa combined, as far as oil products, raw materials, and food resources go.
Excluding the absolute end-of-civilization scenario where nukes get used, as the worst outcome of this gamble. If Russia survives intact, even for a couple more years, the Western economies will falter.
Germany most certainly will be heading into a recession, at best, this winter. The UK won't be fairing much better for much longer than the EU, once the EU begins having severe woes.
If Russia collapses from within, the West wins, America remains dominant.
If Russia remains intact, regardless of the war in Ukraine, and continues to sell its resources to non-NATO nations, the crippling effect this will have on the EU will be worse than anyone expected or intended.I don't know that it is grandiose as all that. Just stop the attack upon the Ukraine, I don't believe that anyone is so ambitious as to think that Russia needs to be further Balkanized to achieve that goal
The attack on Ukraine happened because "the West" injected itself into its politics, enticed it with offers of trade, of joining NATO.
Russia chose to protect its national interests, it had incorporated Crimea into the Russian Republic.
Eight years after that fact, Ukraine/Zelensky chose to declare it was taking Crimea back.
If Putin is deposed they might get that. If Putin is deposed by the wrong person, Ukraine might get far worse than anything they have experienced so far.But is it possible that if Putin is deposed by the right person, all of the pain Russia has experienced internally because of the unpopularity of the war, might just go away, with the war itself? He or she just might determine that their pursuit of all of this might not be worth it?
Is that a possibility from your standpoint?"if Putin is deposed by the right person"
Things should get interesting in the near future. putin can't let this military challenge to his authority go unchallenged. It makes him look weak. A weak russian leader can cause the population to become quite afraid. Citizens like stability.
I suggest you speak with some people from russia. The ones I speak with believe putin is a type of russian clone and if he is gone someone just as bad or worse will take his place. The russians I speak with have no faith in their government or military at this time.
It is a shame as there are many very good people in russia. I have a relative who worked in russia for a few years and thought it was a great place and liked the people. I've had russian people contact me directly and apologize for their country's attack on Ukraine.
There are some very good people in russia.I have no doubt that there are good people in Russia.
They are pretty pessimistic about the noose in which they find themselves.
It is certainly not like Putin to allow such a brazen attempt at an overthrow to go unpunished. Most tyrants in his position would start the blood letting sooner rather than later. Any idea why Putin is holding back his wrath and being lenient with the plotters? Calling on your experience in this matter what is your explanation?
Is "strength" in a leader associated with continued hostilities with Ukraine? What is the price for continued hostilities and the continued ire and sanctions by the West?"Calling on your experience in this matter what is your explanation."
I have NO real experience in this...I don't know much more than anyone else with friends and relative in Ukraine. I know little or nothing about russian politics.
I will say, at this time, it appears to me that putin is afraid to do too much for fear he has another general order troops against him. I doubt he has the strong support of his military to go after the rebels. He is losing control and it is obvious to many countries around the world.I am still processing various reactions and insights by people who know far more about Russia and their military than I do.
It seems both Moscow and DC were somewhat prepared for this "revolt" by Wagner Group chief Yevgeny Prigozhin.
It seems his previous berating of the military, over the course of the last months, won him a "do stupid things, win stupid prizes" scenario.
He had essentially been ordered to have the Wagner Group dissolved and fall under a branch of the Russian Military command.
When he "revolted" the bulk of his 25,000 soldiers stayed in place and refused to join his march on Moscow, those commanders who kept their units in place have agreed to fall under regular Russian army command.
Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko told state news outlet Belta that:
"I won't hide it, it was painful to watch the events taking place in southern Russia. I’m not the only one," the president continued. "Many of our citizens took [these events] to heart. Because the Fatherland is one."
It is said he got Prigozhin to change his mind and call it quits, whatever Prigozhin was hoping to achieve was delusional at best, he was not going to get the Army or neighboring leaders to fall in line with him.
I am beginning to believe Prigozhin was an arrogant fool, more than this means that there are cracks in Russian society or Putin's control.
My reasons for this belief is that he did not have the majority of his Wagner forces join him.
What seems most probable, is that Wagner Group commanders were given some form of option or offer to sign on with the Russian Army, or in some way Wagner was being disbanded, and Prigozhin decided to go on the warpath because he was about to be removed from the SMA in Ukraine and/or have the bulk of the Wagner forces stripped from him.
I think we are in a situation where some group of Nations are going to suffer immense economic hardships.
That is the best case scenario.
The worst case scenario of course is some form of nuclear disaster and/or WWII.
For instance I believe Turkey is currently suffering 133% inflation, if memory serves correctly, many smaller nation economies are suffering like this.
Germany is suffering industrial collapse because it has lost its cheap energy and raw resources, all of which came from Russia.
The West, the largest banks, the debt based currency systems, are close to collapse... we have seen a few banks fail already, the crisis is not over.
As I have said since this war started, it is about a lot more than the conflict in Ukraine, this is a global economic struggle, of which Ukraine is a part... The West would have been much better off making peace with Russia, and maintaining the flow of cheap energy, raw materials, and food resources coming from Russia and Ukraine to the West.
This was, IMO, the worst gamble the West's leadership has ever made... Hubris, arrogance, lack of concern for its own citizens, greed and corruption rule in DC and Brussels... if this effort to break Russia fails, we the people, are going to suffer immense economic hardship.
We are not made of the tough, hard working, make do mindsets of those that came out of the 1940s. We are more like domesticated animals today, we expect everything to be readily available, food, energy, a third of the population doesn't even know what it means to have to work for a living.
I think Putin losing control has just as much chance making things far worse, than it does breaking the way these "think tanks" believe it will.
They thought Russia's economy would have collapsed by now, they thought Russia would have broken into internal infighting by now, it seems "the West" is struggling to survive this even more than Russia is.
Countries like Saudi Arabia and China are looking for a chance to help the western economies falter and the American dollar to give way to the Yuan.
The attack on Ukraine happened because Putin and the oligarchs wanted to further enrich themselves nothing more nothing less. And certainly nothing to do with the "West"
"it had incorporated Crimea into the Russian Republic"
Again, I have to correct you with facts, Crimea was illegally annexed by russia. This is the finding of the United Nations.
It is Ukrainian territory as it has been for decades. Sorry, that is also a fact.Yup and because we wanted to pursue trying to take Crimea, which was fully incorporated into the Russian Republic, 8 years after the fact, the Western economies are teetering toward economic ruin.
Ukraine has half its population now living as refugees.
Ukraine has lost hundreds of thousands of lives.
Ukraine is no closer to taking Crimea today, than it was when this started.
We are closer to WWIII however... So that's something.
Any Independent/ Conservative/sometimes Democrat, who cannot see the value Trump brought to the United States, and who would rather vote for Tulsi or Warren has no right to complain about Biden
I have no patience for your complaints about Biden. So stop your whining. You got what you voted for... that is to say, the destruction of America.
If only Independents could look beyond their own snotty noses for a change.I didn't vote for Biden, but that doesn't really matter.
Biden got 81 million votes after all.
That is more than Obama's 69.5 million record breaking votes, by more than 11.5 million!!!
Biden, who came in 5th in the primaries of New Hampshire and couldn't muster better than 2nd place in CO, CA, NV, Iowa was a popular guy after all!
You had to love all those mail-in-ballots they found that pulled the election out of Trump's hands in PA and GA. Good Stuff!
Going to bed on election night, Trump was ahead in PA by more than 700,000 votes, its a good thing PA changed their election process for 2020!
You are correct, I would have voted for just about anyone over Biden, I knew what he REALLY represented, we are seeing much of it now, we will be seeing more of it after the 2022 elections."Going to bed on election night, Trump was ahead in PA by more than 700,000 votes, its a good thing PA changed their election process for 2020!"
But, Trump did not count on the sheer size of Philly and its overwhelmingly Democratic constituency.
Don't tell me you are one of those election deniars, Ken?The nation’s top intelligence and law enforcement agencies have confirmed that there is no evidence of significant voter fraud in American elections and that the 2020 election was secure.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ … was-secure
What I think about how the 2020 election was conducted is irrelevant.
What you should take some comfort in, is I do not believe Trump is good for our Country and I do not want him elected back into Office.
Of course, that leaves me without a nest to roost in, because I sure as heck will never support Biden. So here's to hoping we have some alternative choices arrive on the scene before 2024.You seem to be telling someone else that you had your doubts about the legitimacy of the 2020 election.
There is no comfort in any vote for a Rightwing candidate. De Santis, for example, is no better than Trump. He is just a little more prudent in his style, that's all.
I am sure that 2024 will offer a new cast of characters.
Well, the good news is that Mexican Americans. Yes, legal Americans, are willing to do what you cannot do… that is to say, vote for someone who represents their values… someone like Trump.
So if Republicans win, it will not be because of voters like you.
But that’s okay. We can do your dirty work for you even as Independent's continue to hold their noses and exclaim their “virtue.”
But, you’ll get no credit with any of us even though you pay lip service to our values.
The Progressives are not disappointed by Trump-hating Independent's such as yourself. In fact, they love you guys to death.I don't hate Trump.
I do believe he will be unable to run for the Office in 2024.
I do expect the Biden Administration will make certain of that.Well, as Savvy, told you, you are either with the Trumpers or against them, there is no reasoning middle for this bunch.
You must accommodate all the lies, and drink the urine as an initiation for a true test of your loyalty to the cause.Of course, there is a reasoning middle ground. It includes about 40% of Americans. A 40% that doesn't believe any means is okay if it gets to your ends. It includes those Rinos and Dinos who own their principles, instead of leasing them from a party, either party.
GAI think the biggest mistake they made is silencing Trump.
Absence makes the heart grow fonder, and all that.
Americans have short term memory, by and large, so those Americans who were so sick of seeing his tweets, hearing him speak in less than polished style, etc. will forget those rough edges.
Being banned by Social Media and all but silenced on MSM only helps his cause IMO.
So I believe a large amount of Americans will not be pleased with Biden's witch hunt. Most Americans will more than likely feel that now that Trump is out, just leave him alone, get on with Building Back Better and drop all the Trump rhetoric.Yep, I've been hammering that same point. Neither side will step back and take another look. Pres. Trump has monopolized the vast majority of daily news cycles since he entered as Candidate Trump. No one else gets more than a blurb or screen-crawler.
It doesn't seem like the Democrats, (or almost everyone else), knew what to do. The more they tried to 'out-Trump' Trump with their actions the more they strengthened those they think are so bad—the man and his supporters. (until his nomination, Republicans were in that group too)
GANot exactly what I was thinking about.
Trump was out, done, appealing to a smaller and smaller faction of Americans.
Yet they still silence him, they constantly attack him, and those that support him.
Because there are no longer Trump tweets, Trump Facebook posts, Trump rambling interviews all about Trump on TV ... People will forget much of what annoyed them about Trump.
And now the Dems/Biden are on the path to martyring him. They are going to persecute him, jail him and his supporters thinking this protects them.
Heck some of them might even believe their own BS and think they are "saving the Democracy".
What middle ground, GA? The majority of Republicans still believe that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump. The entire impetus for prospective GOP candidates depends upon their supporting the lie. Liz Cheney being torn apart is Wyoming is an example of where we find the middle ground?
The most important principle is that Constitionally mandated prescriptions are always adhered to, that is the minimum that I would expect from the middle ground. But one political party representing a group of extremists take issue with even this.Rhino's and Dino's do not have principles. What they have is arrogance... an arrogance that soothes their vanity even as it destroys our republic.
So, those who vote for Truman or some other long-dead-hero, while our republic is at stake, are no better than Progressives who are intentionally destroying this country."Rhino's and Dino's do not have principles. What they have is arrogance... an arrogance that soothes their vanity even as it destroys our republic."
So those who refuse to retreat to the far fringes of the political spectrum are arrogant?? How so? And how exactly is this destroying the country?
You’re not in a position to lecture any one about reason or lies. The Progressive Party is destructive and has it’s roots in racism, unlike the Republican Party of Lincoln, of which I am proud to be a member .
Biden has lied his entire life. What else is new? We’ll see what happens next. But, if Independent’s don’t get their act together, our republic is done for.
No offense taken, I am just not ready to throw in the towel.
Even if I get to the point of thinking of the USA, as what once was...I will never give the fiendish progressive left the satisfaction of knowing it.I wonder why Dems didn't go with a 'Saving the Democracy' campaign, but rather went with 'Build Back Better'?
I can see Biden in his aviators and a "Saving the Democracy" baseball cap.
Tsk tsk...missed opportunities.What facts do you have to justify one action but condemn the other?
If you're honestly asking that, then you are far gone.
One was a government plus international allies, pressuring a country to act on a previous condition for keep getting help/money. Yes, it was Biden who did it, but it was Obama WH policy.
(And before anyone mentions Burisma, to this day, there is no connection there. Whatever Hunter did or not, to this day, this wasnt about Hunter, as a partisan/republican investigation concluded. If some day, evidence shows that was the case, then he should get impeached. Then, will see if Democrats act in the same partisan way than Republicans.)
The other one was a political candidate, using his power as President of a country, pressuring another country to help him win an election in exchange for an already approved help.It appears you agree that both acts were high-level governmental coercion, (i.e. the Obama/WH insertion), but VP Biden's motives were right so the action was right. Is that right?
GA
TABLE OF CONTENTS
1. EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
2. INTRODUCTION
3. CONFLICTS OF INTEREST
4. THE VICE PRESIDENT’S OFFICE AND STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS WERE AWARE OF CONCERNS RELATING TO HUNTER BIDEN’S ROLE ON BURISMA’S BOARD. Ignored it. Why was Hunter on this board?
5. SECRETARY OF STATE JOHN KERRY FALSELY CLAIMED HE HAD NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT HUNTER BIDEN’S ROLE ON BURISMA’S BOARD. But he did know.
6. STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS knew MYKOLA ZLOCHEVSKY was CORRUPT, BUT VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN could not ACCUSE him of CORRUPTION.
7. During the time that HUNTER SERVED ON BURISMA’S BOARD, ZLOCHEVSKY PAID UKRAINE’S PROSECUTOR-GENERAL 7 MILLION $ to CLOSE THE CASE.
8. HUNTER BIDEN was a SECRET SERVICE PROTECTEE while on BURISMA’S BOARD.
9. OBAMA's ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS
and a DEMOCRAT LOBBYING FIRM
had CONSISTENT and SIGNIFICANT CONTACT with FORMER UKRAINIAN OFFICIAL, ANDRII TELIZHENKO.
10. The MINORITY falsely claimed THE CHAIRMEN of engaging in A RUSSIAN DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN
and used other TACTICS
to INTERFERE in the INVESTIGATION.
11. HUNTER BIDEN’S (and his family's) FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS with UKRAINIAN, RUSSIAN, KAZAKH and CHINESE NATIONALS, raise CRIMINAL CONCERNS and EXTORTION THREATS.This is just 10 hours ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=och5OesUv08
Ukrainians COUNTERATTACK AND TOOK 6 TOWNSIs this our destiny?
The US/Ukraine against Russia/China?
... to what END?Sorry, what am I supposed to make from that?
School grade misinformation.
You are vested and biased, you have no ability to be objective or make rational assessments.
Ukraine has no air power. Ukraine would need at least 3 to 1 odds to mount a successful offensive and hold territory being defended by the Russians.
Military strategy is pretty simple to comprehend. Those with the numbers, the air superiority and the defensible supply lines win, all the time.
Russia has all three. This was always an effort doomed to fail, some seriously corrupt people are laundering billions through this conflict, military companies are making billions off of new orders, the rich get richer, the people of Ukraine suffer the price."School grade misinformation"
This from someone whose source of information is russian propaganda.
A simple google search will let you know the Ukrainian counter-offensive is effective and is liberating territory daily.
The rest of what you've said is absolute nonsense and doesn't matter.A simple google search?
That would be funny if it weren't so sad.
The Ukrainian forces are getting destroyed, they are throwing themselves against the Russian defenses and are being slaughtered.
That's the reality, which you will not find by Google searching for it. The truth will not be told by our politicians or our media/search sources.
The interlocking artillery fire, the air superiority, the defenses in place, anywhere the Russians value have not been touched by Ukrainian forces, and they won't be.
This is suicidal stupidity by Ukraine, the only reason it makes any sense is so that Biden can get his WWIII... No sane military mind would have OKed this slaughter.
Ukraine is throwing away lives and equipment.Blah, blah, blah, blah
Ukraine is advancing against the russian army and that is a fact reported by news outlets around the world.
End of story.
- what I don't get, is what happened to all the protesting of war, flowers being exchanged and the singing of anti-war songs?
Where have all the hippies gone?That is what I do not understand. If the Republicans were involved in this war the leftists would be lined up in protest. When it is the leftists involved, Mitch McConnel and many other Republicans are lining up in support.
Where have all the young people gone? They´ve gone to Tik Tok every one...When will we ever learn?They won't speak up against it unless it effects them. Without the draft they won't care.
The younger generations are all about me me me and couldn't even find Ukraine on a map, let alone understand how this war will impact their lives.Maybe MAGA could come out against the draft and that way Biden would be for it and probably reinstitue it.
Don't be fooled. They want Trump as the opponent.
They will convict him. They will continue to turn America against him.
Anyone else... There is a good chance America would turn to them just to be rid of Biden.Ken, What do you mean that “they” want Trump as the opponent? Obviously, they hate Trump, even more than you dislike him.
So, are you saying “they” are deliberately targeting Trump, and throwing indictments at him because they want him to run as Biden’s opponent? Or are you saying something else?
Clarify, please.
As for your much earlier comments about sitting down at the table with a progressive to reach an agreement or consensus….
That is a Fool’s statement, and every progressive knows it.
They will never move anywhere near the right. They will only move further to the Left and use you (moderates) to make it happen.
“They” love that so-called “conservative” moderates, stupidly and willingly, bring them the leash with which they can more easily bind the neck of those “they” deem rats. They will claim it is all in the name of fairness and justice, the same way that Hitler, who hated the Jews, did.
“They” and all Alinsky acolytes have been moving the needle Left, toward the destruction of America, for many years… because of the help of moderate “conservatives.”
Think about that.
Your progressive friend(s) will always be quick to commend you for your obedience, naïveté, and “fairness.”
They will always invite you to sit down at the table and “hash” things out, and moderates will always, stupidly, believe they mean well. But, “they” never have any intention of changing their minds about their hatred for “Whitey Righty” as your progressive friend likes to say, for any reason. They hate America…. although they love its convenience.
So called conservative Moderates are the death of democracy.
Progressives only use them (moderates) to achieve their means. Too bad that you and (Gus) do not understand just how fully you are being duped, and how your votes are contributing to the demise of our freedom.
As much as you dislike Trump, it is really unfortunate for our nation that you do not understand that he is the only man who has not been bought, and thus, who is not compromised.
Trump, as candidate and President, did everything he said he would do and more. And, that is still not good enough for you and others who would never vote for Trump.
So, if this nation goes to hell because of your vote for some compromised candidate who accepts money from the Koch brothers and Black Rock, and other corporate entities who have no regard for everyday Americans, then don’t even complain. You asked for it.
Conservative Moderates seem to love supplying the leash…they have done so throughout history. “They” are the Progressives best friend and the death of freedom.Yes, they want Trump running against Biden, they want it to continue to be a choice between the White-Supremacist, Sexist, Convict Trump and Biden.
They do not believe they can defeat a Scott, or a RFK, or anyone else that Libertarians, Moderates, non-Trump Republicans, etc. would find an acceptable alternative to Biden.
Biden is disliked by a good percentage of Democrats, ALL Republicans, and the majority of Middle-of-the-Road American voters. He simply cannot win against any rational, presentable, articulate opponent not named Trump... the majority of America would like to move on from Biden ASAP.
"They" is the current Establishment, the sellouts to Big Pharma, the believers in the NWO, the lifers roaming the halls of DC, the elites, the warmongering MIC sycophants.Interesting take about “choice.” The question remain, Ken. Do you believe that Trump is a white supremacist? (Still trying to clarify your position)
So, “they” are throwing the book at Trump because they want him to run.
That makes zero sense. Trump will run, whether they try to destroy him or not.
Tim Scott can never win. He’s boring as hell. RFK is a Democrat, and a true moderate (in a good way).
The Left despises him for that reason and “they” would demonize him if he tried to run. They prefer the corrupt Biden or the slimy Gavin Newsom. Both men have sold their souls to the money gods, the one’s who are running this nation… and they’re the kind of men that those you call “they” heartily support. The sleazier, the better.
Do you really think Black Rock and George Soros would give away their money to support decent men?
Not a chance. They need someone who will provide them with all the green energy money in the world. That is why they are afraid of Trump, and are trying to prevent him from running.
As for your thoughts that once Putin is no longer in the picture, everything will return to normal, you are wrong. That’s a fools dream. Putin will simply be replaced with another dictator. The oligarchs will see to it.
"Where have all the young people gone? They´ve gone to Tik Tok every one ...When will we ever learn?"
Are they also involved in games like Mortal Combat and other violent video games?
Are they being trained in the art of war on some level?
When China marches on our soil, will the youth be ready?
... only if we let them have guns (and swords, knives, etc.,) I suppose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWuPl0ewzNU
https://news.umich.edu/childhood-exposu … as-adults/
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