Number of mass shootings committed by white people in the US overblown

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Readmikenowposted 5 years ago
“Despite common misperceptions that all mass shooters are white, the findings indicate that while a majority are, this proportion is just over half of the perpetrators (53.9 percent),” the study found. “More than one in four shooters is black and nearly one in ten is of Hispanic descent.”

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  Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  You may get to score another for the white shooters, Mike. There are reports of an armed gunman in the USA Today headquarters as we speak. Don't know what ethnicity he is yet though.
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  Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps, but outside the Malvo affair in Virginia a few years ago, I am hard pressed to recall massacres on the scale that we have been seeing lately as initiated by an African American.
  
  Outside the affair in Dallas a year or two ago, can you think of any?
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  awareposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  So when African-Americans kill each other one by one day after day in every major city across the United States. It doesn't count as a massacre to you? When 50% of the murders committed in Baltimore last year we're committed with a single gunshot to the Head. That's not a massacre to you? In 1994 in Rwanda in a hundred days a hundred thousand African people were slaughtered in a racist genocide by other African people. . Does that not count to you either? This whole thread is designed to create hatred and Division. And everyone's eating it up. And blaming the white man.
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  Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Crime is crime, but to take the violence to innocents just because they are there is a notch or two lower in my opinion.
  
  So what, we had Khmer Rouge and the Third Reich, who is innocent? So let's talk about America, ok and yes for these ideological motivated shootings having no apparent provocation except some hate doctrine, if the shoe fits, wear it.....
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  awareposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Let's talk about the
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  awareposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  If we were at war with a Latin American Nation you would have no problem with sending our young people to kill their young people
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  Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Seriously now, where do you get that idea?
  
  Rightwingers are the best at saber rattling, that is out of my purview
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  awareposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Iran Contra
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  Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Iran Contra? Don't need to couch to everything in riddles.
  
  What about Iran Contra, Reagan's illegal support of rightists in Central America?
  
  What does that have to do with me and my sentiments?
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  awareposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  It's not a riddle. If we were at war with the Latin American country you would have no problem sending our young kids off to kill their young kids for no reason at all
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  awareposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  There are a lot of people out there waving a saber saying we should be down in Venezuela doing something about the government so that these people don't have to flee their country
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  Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I am not one of them, I don't like imperialism and believe the Monroe Doctrine is passé. Revolutions and Civil War is part and parcel of living anywhere, after all we had our own. I just won't give the militarist an excuse
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  awareposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I do not make excuses for The Human Condition. Or assign it a color
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  awareposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  1846 - 1848
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  Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this
  1846-48, yes?
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  awareposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Firebombing campaign in Tokyo
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  awareposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Now you mentioned Malvo and said a few years back. 2002 is more than a few. And he wasn't an African-American he was born in Jamaica. Misinformation pisses me off
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  awareposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Especially when you're using it to make some kind of point
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  Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this
  The father was born in the US and if I made the mistake as to the son's point of origin, I guess you can sue me. If you are that touchy, I have got a whole lot more that you are going to be pi$$ed off about, you and all your Rightwinger buddies.
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  Don Wposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  The Washington Examiner is not the most reliable source. Have you verified the information Mike?
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  Don Wposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  "Despite common misperceptions that all mass shooters are white, the findings indicate that . . . "
  
  Let's stop there.
  
  Do you know anyone who has ever said they believe all mass shooters are white? Do you know of any public figures who have said they believe all mass shooters are white? Do you know of any article, study, or public statement from anyone, anywhere that says all mass shooters are white?
  
  Is this really a "common misperception" Mike?
  
  Sure, I suspect lots of people think most mass shooters are white certainly, but the figures cited confirm that to be true, so what's the big reveal here?
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  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  The figures cited seem to confirm that, as a percentage of the population, white shooters are less common than other races.
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Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago
Thankfully the USA Today scare was a mistake. Whew, we don't need anymore deaths from mass shooters!
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Live to Learnposted 5 years ago
I don't care who is doing the shooting. We need to find a way to stop it.

Either way, I'm not surprised it's spun to look like it's a white person problem. What isn't these days?
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  Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  THAT's the point. Everything is now about race. Including mass shootings.
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Well, the democrats have nothing to run with, no message that appeals to the majority, so their current strategy is 'divide and conquer'.
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  Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you. I saw a documentary about defense attorneys. One said if they didn't have evidence to prove their client was innocent, they would "throw up anything and everything and yell about it." I think this is what the Democrat party is doing. I believe this is what desperation looks like.
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Makes sense. Most of the ones in Congress are lawyers, I think.
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  PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  The majority of Americans want health care for all. The Democrats are the only party working toward that.
  
  The majority of Americans want to spend money on infrastructure, as do the Democrats.
  
  The majority of Americans want an increase in the minimum wage, a policy supported by Democrats.
  
  The majority of Americans want government funding for child care, as do Democrats.
  
  The majority of Americans support universal background checks for gun ownership, as do the Democrats.
  
  I'm sure I could think of more, but you get the idea.
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I get the idea. I'd love all those things too. The problem is the democrats are promising all of that, and more.
  
  A chicken in every pot always sounds nice, but the average American understands all of that comes with a price tag that we don't have the money to pay for. Any average American who doesn't understand that can understand basic math.
  
  I've seen plenty of polls showing the vast change in support once the person understands how 'free' stuff will affect their tax bill.
  
  Edit. Throw in the Democratic stand on immigration and even a child can see the impossibility.
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  PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, those polls apply to questions regarding health care. There is considerable disagreement on how to pay for it, and you are right, support for it goes down depending on the method. But universal background checks for guns doesn't have the same problem, nor does an increase in the minimum wage, or support for an infrastructure bill. The money can easily be found for these things; it's just a matter of priorities.
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Oddly, one of Trump's priorities was infrastructure. It's funny how the democrats in Washington wouldn'twork on that with him and it appears it may be a talking point for the democrats in the upcoming election?
  
  Well, that's ok. It's a subject both sides, if they stop playing politics and get down to work, could probably agree on.
  
  Background checks may be a hurdle in the short run, but I hear the president is pushing for red flag laws. That's a start. If we can start somewhere I'd call that a good thing.
  
  Like I said. There is good in wanting to have solid social programs and I have no problem with anything, as long as corresponding cuts in other things balances the unbalanced budget. Let's just not create larger deficits.
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  PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  From April 30, 2019:
  Congress and White House Agree to Spend 2 Trillion on Infrastucture
  
  On May 21, 2019:
  Trump Says USMCA Must be Passed Before Any Infrastrucutre Bill
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I do remember that. Trump needs to do the same as all the others. Work together in the spirit of compromise, for the good of the nation.
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  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I would agree. Unfortunately that's how our legislature works today - hold one thing hostage for passage of another. And it's called "compromise". I suppose it is in a back handed sort of way. Or maybe a better term is blackmail, but whatever it's called it's how it all works today.
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  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Really Think those people in Seattle that lost their jobs or businesses due to an increase in minimum wage still support it? As was said, once the cost of these things becomes known support falls dramatically.
  
  (Just curious, but where do you "find the money" for an increase in minimum wage? From the pockets of mom and pop store owners?)
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  DoubleScorpionposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I could be off or wrong....But don't Democrats make up a majority of voters? So I would expect Democrat voters to support democrat ideas...
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  Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I would like to point out that many Democrats voted for President Donald Trump in 2016. It's obvious that Democrats do not vote as a block.
  
  "Places that supported President Obama over Mitt Romney in the 2012 election switched their support to Trump — some with hefty margins."
  
  https://www.cnbc.com/heres-a-map-of-the … democrats/
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  DoubleScorpionposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah. I noticed that as well...
  
  And the independents like me...can and do vote either party... depending on what policies might happen to be close to our views.
  
  And most of the information for these "most of Americans" comes from polls that can be biased in who was asked...
  
  I know for me personally...I never get asked poll questions...
  
  The one poll I did see on a twitter page (Socialist Superwomen- @AoCgang) which asked "who would be president in 2020?" and it had Trump at 93% out of 89,000+ votes when I saw it. I think the tweet as has been deleted now...I did happen to screen shot it though...
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  Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  As an Independent, how would you assess the current political situation in the United States?
  
  I admit to having a bias, as I am a Republican and have been for years.
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  DoubleScorpionposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I would say both sides have faults...no doubt on that...
  
  But recently...The Democrats have been pushing ideas that I consider very divisive and even dangerous.
  
  I have noticed, that it seems to me, that the democrat side is always reducing everything down to race, sex, or various other factors that places a separation between the various melting pot that we call Americans. That seems to be very racist, sexist, etc. etc. grooming in nature.
  
  In a college class that my wife was taking awhile back...I was a guest speaker and we talked about people being reduced to their appearance and that many in politics see them as nothing more than a black vote, woman vote, latino(a) vote...and not a vote from a fellow American.
  Like the Argument surrounding requiring a Photo ID to vote....there are many who say that this is racist, as it affects the minority voters....That sounds a lot like an "old white guy" saying that minorities can't manage to get or don't have a photo ID because they are minorities...The question I have is this...How many people do you know, regardless of skin color or anything else for that matter, that do not have some form of Photo ID...Personally, I don't know anyone that does not have a photo ID...as it is almost impossible to live your life without a photo ID...You need a Photo ID for pretty much everything these days...
  
  So...I would say in recent times, The Democrat party is seriously guilty of what they claim others are doing...Inciting violence (even outright calling for it), pushing racism support as an agenda, divisive rhetoric and the list goes on...
  
  The republicans need to start working with the democrats (and vice versa) on common sense policies that help Americans. The also need to grow a backbone and stop bowing to pressure just because someone doesn't agree with them...and republicans need to seriously stop fighting things just because it was proposed by a democrat.
  
  At this point, I don't see much difference between the parties...as the Democrats are going seriously extremely left...and the Republicans are to scared to take a real stand on anything...
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  Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for sharing. I enjoyed reading your response.
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  Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this
  DS, There is no such thing as a "melting pot", it is just something that sounds good. We are not all the same nor have the same aspirations.
  
  I don't see things the way you and other Right leaning people do, as a matter of fact, I don't think that I ever could. My reality is simply different.
  
  The current system is exploitive and it sucks, I welcome the changes presented by the Democratic left.
  
  We have always been separated and in the current political climate, I doubt that we will have any accord anytime soon. When the system is more equitable and fair, maybe then we can then start talking about "fellow American"
  
  I accept the idea of a photo ID, but I will rain hell on the GOP if these IDs are not made available and easily accessible to all without cost. They would like nothing better than to illegally suppress the votes of demographics that they know generally won't vote for them.
  
  America has a racist foundation and beginning, it is part of its DNA. That explains why when I met whites while in Europe, they were so much different.
  
  Calling for violence and carrying it out over some bigoted manifesto are two different things. At least we could be moving in the correct direction with incremental improvement. Trump takes us all back a century or more.
  
  You say the Democrats are clinging to the extreme left, I say the GOP and it conservatives/rightwing policies are akin to authoritarianism and fascism.
  
  We are not going to bowled over with right wing politics and propaganda. You can bet my side is just as determined to stop the Rightwinger from ruling the day. And it all starts with my affirmative vote in that direction in Nov, 2020.
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  DoubleScorpionposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Seriously...requiring a photo ID for voting is a bad thing?
  
  And needs to be provided...
  
  How many people do you know that doesn't have some form of photo ID...?
  
  Making the claim that requiring a photo ID to vote is somehow racist or anything along those lines is in and of itself racist...as it makes the insinuation that only certain people can afford to have a photo ID...
  
  I am curious of something...Do we have a problem with places requiring REAL ID's to buy airplane tickets now? Wouldn't that be racist, as it requires renewing or getting a new Driver's License (in Virginia)...how is that different that requiring a photo ID to vote...not a special ID...just a normal, everyday photo ID.
  
  SNAP ID's
  Drivers license
  State ID's
  Military ID's
  School ID's
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  promisemposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  "I accept the idea of a photo ID."
  
  A photo ID for voting is not a bad thing. Nor is a photo ID with a universal background check to buy a gun a bad thing.
  
  I think we all want to stop illegal voters and mass murderers.
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  Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this
  We have to remember that voting is a right, not a privilege. Texas, for example will except licenses to carry as ID, but not student ID's for voting identification.
  
  There are a few people that may not have proper identification, and should not have to pay for it in order to vote. The elderly and the poor, not everybody has an ID, so the state rather than imposing a cost for voting my supply it free of expense.
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  Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  "The majority of Americans want health care for all. The Democrats are the only party working toward that.
  
  The majority of Americans want to spend money on infrastructure, as do the Democrats.
  
  The majority of Americans want an increase in the minimum wage, a policy supported by Democrats.
  
  The majority of Americans want government funding for child care, as do Democrats.
  
  The majority of Americans support universal background checks for gun ownership, as do the Democrats."
  
  I don't agree with these assumptions. I don't think there is any evidence available to support such assumptions..
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  Annkfposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  The US National Dept Clock has us at $22,467,795,131,451, in debt.
  This is a debt that will likely never be brought under control. At least the current POTUS is working to end foolish spending in trade and other areas.
  
  While democrats are promising all this "free stuff," they currently have budgets to allot money to different programs in their districts. NY recently voted against education funds for the families of fallen soldiers in favor of free educations for Illegals. CA is already funding free healthcare for illegals.
  
  If democrat's take office in 2020, they will fling the borders wide open and millions of people will pour in. The democrats will prioritize them as they see them as their "constituents." AOC said this outright. Beto and others have even campaigned on the other side of the southern border.
  Anyone who thinks for one second that they are actually going to get "free healthcare. free money, or free anything is insane. They only thing they'll get by voting democrat is an economic free fall!
  
  If that happens, good luck finding your next meal. I hear that in Venezuela they squired a taste for their dogs and even zoo animals.
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Valeantposted 5 years ago
Here is a different source for the discussion...since the Rockefeller only goes to May 2018.

Totals from 1982-2019: https://www.statista.com/statistics/476 … er-s-race/

Year-by-year glance: https://www.statista.com/statistics/811 … in-the-us/
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  That's interesting. So if 76 percent of the US population is white they should account for more shootings than that. If we compare that to the number of blacks involved and their percentage of the population they account for a disproportionately high percentage.
  
  Would it then follow that we could conclude black men are more dangerous? Because, those figures supplied in that article are pointing that way.
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  Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  The data, by proportions, does support your conclusion.
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  And you know why that is not a valid conclusion? The same reason blaming white guys isn't.
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  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  It may well be true (and appears to be) that blacks are more likely to commit mass murder than whites are. Would that be particularly surprising given than poverty promotes violence and blacks are disproportionately represented in the rolls of the poverty stricken?
  
  There are many reasons, some coinciding with race, for violence. But skin melanin is not one of them. Coincidence does not equal causality.
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly. Unless you are on the left trying to prove white supremacy. Then, skin tone is the only thing they look at.
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  Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Snopes does bring up a good point that how 'mass shooting' is defined that has a big effect on the data people present.
  
  I think that when the definition is 'indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker,' this tends to skew more towards white males. Example, from Jan. 1, 2018 to June 28, there were six instances that fit this description. Five instances the shooter was white and in the other Asain-American.
  
  With a more liberal definition such as 'an occurrence in which four or more people (not including the attacker) are shot in a single incident,' the numbers spike to 153 and fit the narrative being argued in this thread.
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  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  You lost me. How do the numbers spike when the data goes from "indiscriminate killing" to "people shot" - the second being a subset of the first? Are you counting all injured, but not killed, in one but not the other? Because if so I'd have to say it is a real effort at cherry picking and skewing data in order to produce a desired conclusion.
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  Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  You focused on the wrong words that were different. The three words after indiscriminate rampages, 'in public places' versus in a single incident, which can include shootings that are part of other crimes (robberies) or family shootings.
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  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Got it. Are there really that many killings of 4 or more people in family shootings, or robberies on private property? I would not have thought so - you're indicating a factor of over 20, after all!
  
  ( I recognize that there are far, far more people killed outside of "mass murders" than in them, but you did specify killing 4 or more in a single incident - mass murder by definition (depending on the speaker and country).
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I'll assume you are disregarding drive by massacres, shootings at parties and such. Which is quite convenient.
  
  Let's take the guns from neo nazis and their ilk and see if gun violence has much of a decline.
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  Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not disregarding anything. I'm just noting that there are a variety of different ways people determine mass shooting, and that may affect their perception of who is committing them.
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Then I would suggest we all be fair and even. We should look at violence, as a whole, and not use some subsets to skew the discussion.
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