Badge for Individual Hub Success

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   zeke2100posted 12 years ago

   I think you need a badge that is awarded for individuals Hub achievements, such as: if one Hub receives over 5,000 views, that's quite an achievement - there should be a badge for that.

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      Writer Foxposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      

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      MelissaBarrettposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      

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         calculus-geometryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         pretty much sums it up.

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         earnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Yeah, but if they click on stuff while they're there .... as they've got small minds and short attention spans......
         
         

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      relacheposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      In the overall scheme of web traffic, 5000 views is peanuts.

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         WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         +1. Not even gonna mention my highest trafficked hub then! And I'm sure you can beat that.

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      Matthew Meyerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      We currently show an accolade for the following total Hub view increments.
      Hub views (1,000, 10,000, 100,000, 1,000,000, 10,000,000, and 100,000,000), but not for individual Hubs.
      http://hubpages.com/faq/#accolades

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         livewithrichardposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I believe he was referring to individual hubs and not the entire portfolio.

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            Matthew Meyerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks! I missed that sentence it seems.

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      Matthew Meyerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      So the idea is that you would want an accolade on the Hub itself for only the 5000 view mark?  Would it not make sense to show other increments as well?
      
      I can certainly bring this up in our next community meeting, but I feel it is not likely to be a  priority, unless there is some logic as to how it could add utility to the site.
      
      Any arguments for how this feature would add value to the site?

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         MelissaBarrettposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Yes, the increase in traffic from scrapers alone would bring tons of traffic. They might even accidentally click on an ad while they are cutting and pasting.
         
         If this does go through somehow, please allow us to turn it off if we so choose.

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         Barbara Kayposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I don't like the idea either.

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   psycheskinnerposted 12 years ago

   You wouldn;t need to say what hub it was.  It could be just any 1 hub making x amount of traffic.

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   livewithrichardposted 12 years ago

   A badge like that placed on an individual hub would be a clear beacon for thieves.

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      WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      ^What he said.

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   Will Apseposted 12 years ago

   You have fallen into a pit of snakes. But that's okay. Your fangs will soon grow.

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   Johnrr631992posted 12 years ago

   I don't know about 5,000 because most of mine reach 50-100K, but I have been wishing for a WHILE now that they would instate individual hub accolades.. Maybe accolades for....
   
   (Accolade) - this person has written a hub receiving "X" number of visitors..
   
   (Accolade) - This hub has "X" comments posted..
   
   (Accolade) - This hub is considered substantially well on the QAP ..
   
   I think it would be nice seeing more accolades..

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      Matthew Meyerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I will bring up the idea of Hub-specific accolades in our next community meeting.
      Any other types of accolades that could be useful on Hubs?

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         relacheposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Are you missing the point that such accolades would be like giant "come and get it" signs to content thieves?

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            Will Apseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Candies for the kids. Cheap pacifiers.

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         missoliveposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Please do not bring Hub-Specific Accolades. This is too much information for the site to share and does not seem like a business savvy idea. I'm all for camaraderie and accolades, but not the public sharing of hub-specific data.

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         SmartAndFunposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         How about a badge once an individual hub has been stolen ten or 20 times?

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            Judi Beeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            

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               missoliveposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I filed 13 DMCA this month and 36 last month - can I get an accolade?

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                  zeke2100posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  There is no evidence that a Individual Hub accolade means that people will copy your content.

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                     DigbyAdamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     My own personal experience has proved to me that this is the case to me. You are ignoring all of the comments anyone makes here. You are refusing to state why this is a good idea and why it benefits the Hubber. All it does is put a stupid accolade on the Hub. It does nothing else except make it a target.
                     
                     PLEASE EXPLAIN THE BENEFIT TO THE HUBBER.

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                        Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        It isn't going to happen anyway.

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                        SmartAndFunposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        It makes the hubber feel important.

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                           calculus-geometryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           It allows the hubber to find articles that are worth copying.
                           
                           oh wait....

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                              psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              As I have already mentioned, it will not say which hub reached the 5000.  Which is not really a very difficult thing to do anyway. People that worried about theft will already have hidden their accolade because it gives your overall traffic--which is just as informative if not more so.

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   Writer Foxposted 12 years ago

   Just two comments:
   
   1.  If you want to highlight traffic to your Hub, just make a text box with an image in the right column saying 'This article has been viewed over 5,000 times", or whatever.
   
   2.  It's been my experience with content thieves that they are more prone to stealing new content that hasn't even had traffic yet.  Automatic scrapers are set up to steal from RSS feeds or notices of new content you can receive, for example, if you 'follow' a Topic on HubPages.

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      calculus-geometryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Auto scrapers aren't the only threat.  It's other unscrupulous people manually copying content because they see with their own eyeballs that a certain articles has lots of views as evidenced by an accolade.  There's nothing to be done about auto-scrapers, but the simplest deterrent for human scrapers is hiding the valuable info about traffic.
      
      That's why so many here hide their account accolades.  Personally, I don't think it's anyone's business but mine how much or how little traffic flows to my account.
      
      Perhaps the people who post creative writing would get some value out of hub-specific accolades, but the people who write for money are all going to turn this feature off if they have any common sense!

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   DigbyAdamsposted 12 years ago

   This is an absolutely horrible idea. A year or so ago some bright bulb at HubPages put the traffic stats out in the open for certain categories of hubs. I believe many people spent the few days they were up, rifling through all of the proflic hubbers trying to see what kinds of traffic their individual hubs got. This idea needs to die fast.

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   DigbyAdamsposted 12 years ago

   So one person makes a bad suggestion in the forum. Everyone else disagrees. And it's still going to go before the staff. I find this frightening. Just sometimes it's good to ignore suggestions. This is one of them.

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      mistyhorizon2003posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      +1

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   earnerposted 12 years ago

   5,000 ..... what about 100,000+ views?  That'd help the lazy people to find the goodies.
   
   
   
   Some people can get 5,000 views from one lucky "share", as a one-off, one day event.  that doesn't make it good, they were just lucky.
   
   You could, potentially, write the worst hub ever, then get it shared as a "WRF?" item .... and get people visiting to laugh/mock through some shares on 1-2 days only/ever.
   
   Wish I was that lucky

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      Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I wrote a hub a while back about being banned from Reddit for trying to get links for my pages.  The funny thing is that they then linked to that page saying what an asshole I am.  I get a steady stream of them visiting to vote against me in my polls.
      
      Makes no money at all of course, and the in / out nature of their visit probably harms my domain / bounce rate.

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         earnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         There's no such thing as bad publicity

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            Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Unless you're Jimmy Saville.

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               earnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               It never hurt Mr M Jackson's posthumous sales.

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    zeke2100posted 12 years ago

    The suggestion was for increments, starting at the 5,000 view mark. I too have published things outside of Hubpages with over 5,000 views, but this badge should show on that individual Hub just like the "Hub of the Day" Badge, showing that a lot of people have read it.

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       MelissaBarrettposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Yeah, don't get me started on how many times my HOD was copied.

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    zeke2100posted 12 years ago

    As far as all of the people on here that say that this would make thieves want to steal content: I don't make decisions based out of the fear of the unknown. I have no control of what other people are willing to steal. I am not concerned with what the thieves are doing. If you are the first to publish content online, and can prove it with a date stamp, then you should not worry about what thieves are going to do.

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       WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       You haven't had much stolen, have you?

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          zeke2100posted 12 years agoin reply to this

          I have had content stolen. Not on Hubpages, but a paper I wrote that has had over 100k views. But seriously, even your copyright stamp that it belongs to you won't stop a thief. If you publish anything online, it has the potential of being stolen. You have a choice: Waste your time battling those people, or come up with new content.
          
          In the grand scheme of things, people will follow and read what you write if you are good. The thieves will not be able to duplicate your style.

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             missoliveposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             zeke2100, "The thieves will not be able to duplicate your style." No, they won't be able to copy the style, they blatantly swipe the entire hub.
             
             You said, "You have a choice: Waste your time battling those people, or come up with new content. " the point is, it is MY content and I do not want to facilitate plagiarism of my content with a presumptuous on-site accolade.
             
             Also, "In the grand scheme of things, people will follow and read what you write if you are good." How can they follow (find) me if organic traffic and page rank is marred by plagiarism? The ultimate goal is gaining readership through organic traffic.
             
             Again, I'm fine with general accolades and I have the option of making those visible. I'm not okay with the highly potential issues Hub-Specific accolades would bring. It is just an opinion and hopefully HP will consider our point of view - just like they are considering yours.

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       mistyhorizon2003posted 12 years agoin reply to this

       The problem with thinking this way is that you are forgetting that sometimes people want to move an article to another site and then delete the original. This gives the copier the 'original' (earliest) publish date, as your new location will show as a later publish date. Also even if you can prove the article is yours, you can waste months of your life just trying to find the copied articles so that you can file DMCAs or fight to get the content removed from the relevant copiers site. Better to reduce the chances they steal your successful articles, as they will also be stealing a part of your income at the same time, and none of us would be happy about that.

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          missoliveposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          +

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          Judi Beeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          I'm caught in this situation at the moment - want to move stuff to a blog but don't dare do it because our Chinese scraper has copied half my subdomain.  Again.  It would be adding insult to injury if I moved it and I looked like the plagiarist.

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          zeke2100posted 12 years agoin reply to this

          I don't endorse stealing content. However, you can't predict when it will happen. Sorry you guys feel the need to whine about it, but life happens. Move on. I have a right to suggest Hub improvements.

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             Judi Beeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             When you have an improvement, we'll all be delighted to hear it.

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                mistyhorizon2003posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                +1

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       livewithrichardposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       We're not making decisions based out of fear, we're making them based on past experience.  Come back and tell us about our unwarranted fear after you have spent a week or longer searching out and sending off DMCA notices. 
       
       Don't believe for a second that just because you write and publish something first online that you will automatically outrank the thief that copied and published your content on his site a month to 2 later.

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          WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Agreed. At a rough estimate, there are already at least 500 dupes of my content floating around the net. And most of it isn't spiteful. A lot of pregnant women just assume it's fine to copy my content straight into a forum post or blog

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       SmartAndFunposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       I don't leave my husband's big flat-screen TV out on the lawn, or the keys in my car and my laptop sitting in full view in the passenger's seat with the car windows rolled down. I also lock my house up at night and when I'm not at home.

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          Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Me neither.  Each evening before bed I delete all my pages.  Then in the morning I type them back in again.

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             SmartAndFunposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             Whew! Glad to know I'm not the only one!

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          ThelmaCposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          SmartAndFun I had to laugh at your scenarios.  Where I live, we do all those things.  I leave my car running at the Post Office with my purse in it! Hope it never changes here but I know it will.  I understand what you are saying.

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    DigbyAdamsposted 12 years ago

    I've got a few Hubs ready to be published. I just can bring myself to do it any more. This is the second request in a few weeks to make the best Hubs easy to pick off. I make my living online. I don't have to time to keep writing copywright complaints. This isn't my hobby.
    
    I don't know why stupid accolades are so important.

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    DigbyAdamsposted 12 years ago

    There are only so many top spots in the Google SERPs. When someone steals the keyword and niche strategy of a successful Hub, it's worse than getting it scraped. There's now way to prove that the person stole the ideas.
    
    I have written here under other identities. I had a Hubber go to the best hub listings when HP did that. He took everyone of my best hubs, took the keyword strategies, even the tone of my hub and made a lens about it. There was nothing I could do. Every time I wrote a hub he would steal the ideas and write about them elsewhere. I would write a Hub, he would write a Lens. He could just look at the Hub, then do a Google search and see where the Hub was and figure if it was worth stealing. He was a very competent thief. There were even expert Hubbers who explained to people how to do this in Hubs and the forums.
    
    So it's not just scrapers, it's keyword and niche thieves as well. They can focus on writing because they aren't doing the heavy lifting of the research. HP is a great place to write, but not if the staff can't see how much money they cost individual Hubbers when they make it easy for these types of people.
    
    Again. Accolades are pretty lame. They aren't worth the money they have cost me in the past.

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       WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       +1

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    DigbyAdamsposted 12 years ago

    You are very naive. Thieves do duplicate style and anything else. I'm telling you that's just what happened to me. I kept changing style and this Hubber changed his.
    
    Now would you please explain why this is so important and what benefit that it will provide to Hubbers to have this accolade. There has to be a reason that you want this so badly. Does it provide a benefit in some way to your reputation? I just don't get its importance. I am worried that so many Hubbers seem to rely on them for some sort of emotional boost.

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    paradigmsearchposted 12 years ago

    

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    DigbyAdamsposted 12 years ago

    You still haven't said what benefit they bring to the Hubber. All you do is insult us.
    
    I'm not backing down on this because of the experience of having HubPages publish actual traffic figures on Hubs once. If they did it once, they could do it again. The furious backlash of the community made them change their minds. I just want them to know we are still watching. (I am prepared to unpublish every hub asap if they every do it again.)
    
    At that time they thought it would give the Hub a legitimacy. I'm not sure what your motivation is.

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       WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Are you referring to the data on Quantcast after subdomains or something else?

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          DigbyAdamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          A few years ago, when HubPages changed to the narrower format, they added the traffic stats for everyone to see in certain categories as a test. I don't remember what the categories were. The place went balistic. It think they were just the stats they show privately now. They traffic was available for several days. I admit that I went rifling through hubs to see who had traffic in those categories. (I didn't have any published hubs in them) . The belief was that they would show which Hubs were popular and give them more trust.

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             WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             Wow ok, I musta missed that.

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    DigbyAdamsposted 12 years ago

    Judi you can rewrite it enough so that Google won't pick it up as duplicate copy. I've gotten pretty good at this. Try and think of ways to make the copy even stronger so Google will have more opportunities to send traffic your way, after you've moved the content.

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       Judi Beeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Good idea, I may run with that.  Thanks

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    DigbyAdamsposted 12 years ago

    pthompson you've been reported for spamming. And no I didn't click on your link to give you a free view.

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