Suicide Is it a call for help or a true wish for death!

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   mdawson17posted 15 years ago

   I have been told through out the years that suicide was just a call for help or a way to seek attention! I feel that this is a dratic way to call for help!
   
   If this is a for sure call does this not show a sign for a death wish anyways and in this call does this not show some mental illness!
   
   What should be done in the medical field to better assist with in the elements of depression and giving better treatments for this deiease?

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      Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      If you manage to kill yourself it is a desire for death. If you fail, it is a cry for help.
      
      I personally think people such as yourself spreading the idea that we are worthless sinners going to a better place after death if we follow certain rules is a big part of the problem. Showing photos of a guy nailed to a piece of wood in your avatar is certainly depressing for me.

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         Lady Guinevereposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Hear, Hear, Mark!  I went to a get together at my husband's work and we watch a movie about suicide and the aspects therein.
         What I have noticed throughout the whole documentary was that not one person asked what the person who committed suicide was feeling or his concerns other than the fact that his life was not turning out like he envisioned.  Everyone was more concerned with what they were feeling.  My husband and I talked about this on the way home and I told himt hat there is another side to this whole thing.  There is the relgious side, the Counselor's side (includes medical and that type intervetin) but the side where I ususally cme from is the spiritual side of the person going through this thought process.
         There is something that hapenes while being born and it is a rush or speed.  There is that with the person whom is committing suicide too.  My many questions, but for the sake of this forum is...Is this person whom is committing suicide missing something they felt before and cannot verbalize it because of all those who just put him on more guilt trips?  What is it that he is missing?  Doesn't anybody care about what goes on wth the person internally?  This by all means can be for women who commit suicide too.  My husband also brought up a fact--if a person is going to commit suicide and is stopped for whatever reason--it is temporary.  They will eventually do the deed.

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            Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            People who really want to kill themselves usually manage it. I have felt that way a couple of times in my life, so I certainly understand why they would want to.

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               Lady Guinevereposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               To be factual, my husband is an Addictions couselor and he is also a Licensed Social Worker who has worked with MRDD from children to geriatrics.

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                  mdawson17posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  This is the way that I trully feel however there are support systems out their to better assist them! Will this stop the feelings of hopelessnes? Or are they just deemed to die??

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                     Lady Guinevereposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     According to the movie that we watched and I posted it earlier, 90% do the deed.  The other percet is they were saved from doing it, but it was a very low percentage.  One guy did commit suicede but failed and he has his story on the end of that movie.  I really can't explain it all since I don't even know some of the reasonings, but what he said was that something left his body when he hti the water.  "The Bridge" is about all the suicides that happen on the Golden Gate Bridge.  Most will jump from tht one bridge becsue of the hieght of it and when one hits the water it is so forceful that it tends to break the body up on impact.
                     Yes there are places they can go, but no one can tell them what they should be hearing and they seem to not have the ability to want to live.
                     In my personal experience you don't end when you die...

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         mdawson17posted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I know that you may be insulted by my personal beliefs however do not insult my site or my choice of spirtuality! Furthermore if you do not like my aviater you do not have to visit my hubsite! Also it is people like you that does keep hate in this world! You need to re-read your words left on this particular forum and realeaize all that can be picked up out of your words are hate and anger!! Please do not reply to any of my work if you are going to illustrate any kinds of anger or resentments for my choosen beliefs!
         You choose your belief and I have choosen mine however do not redicule me for it!!

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            Lady Guinevereposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            May I remind you that you posted in a public forum.  If you don't like certain comments then you should have written on your own hub and then consider not using the comment box.  The subject matter here is up for anyone's views and comments.  Mark has the right just as you do--it works both ways.

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            Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Please explain how me telling you that it depresses me to see a dead guy nailed to a piece of wood is being angry and spreading hate.
            
            I don't care what you believe. You are the one wanting to share.
            
            And whether you noticed it or not - every time you make a forum post, you are showing this dead guy nailed to a piece of wood, so I do not need to come to your hubsite to see it.

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            Capable Womanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Okay. Can we "redicule" you for other things instead, then?

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      IntimatEvolutionposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      My husband hanged himself Sept. 16th, 2004. He was in no way seeking attention.  He was in no way asking or wanting help.  I feel that there is a tone of denial in the original posters thread.  I don't feel any genuine concern about these people, who are supposedly "mentally ill."  If there was, a little compassion for those who have survived, and to those who lives are destroyed by suicide, would have been addressed. The people who commit suicide, commit suicide for an entire lifetimes worth of memories, love, living, breathing and put an end to any happiness that has ever been shared with them.  Sucking the happiness out of a living soul, is like sucking someone's blood out of their body.  Mental illness isn't always the reason someone commits suicide.  Most of the time it is despair. My husband left behind a beautiful home, and a 9 yr. old son.  Now you tell me- if he was just pretending to seek attention!
      
      Suicide is as REAL as it gets.  And until you've survived, until you've survived that kinda death of a dear love one- you will never understand the depth of contempt I feel for this thread.

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         Lady Guinevereposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Perhaps you should tell us more so that we can get an understanding.

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            IntimatEvolutionposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            No thanks.  The last time I did something like that, I was told it was nothing more than an attempt for pity.  So yeah, no thank you.  I'm sure someone has written a book to help those like you, to understand.

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               Lady Guinevereposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               You really don't have to be nasty about it.  I know about it--my husband is a counselor and Social Worker.  I wasn't and don't think anyone else here is going to call you pity or ask for that such stuff.  When you stop making assumptions on peole just maybe you will get a good answer.  What you put out you get in return. 
               Good Day now.

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         Dame Scribeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I have a son who lost 2 best friends to a *suicide pact* and totally understand having to survive. You are not alone in this experience. As for suicide itself. It is not a *disease* and usually arises from a inner pain from depression, sense of inadequacy, or bored and they are not out of touch with reality. It isn't something to be dismissed or treated harshly for the one wishing suicide or the survivors left behind.

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   RooBeeposted 15 years ago

   I would agree with Mark that the guilt and pressure placed on people by the powers that be (and sometimes they BE religions)harm more than help in a case where someone may be depressed.
   While I understand that this is a powerful image (cross) for many, I also prefer not to focus on the nasty brutal bits of this story. It is a good one, but its main character himself asked us not to dwell on his death.
   I think we really blew it on that..
   
   Suicide is a terrible and serious issue, of course, and if you truly think someone you know is suicidal there are outreach groups available in most areas if you just seek them out. It certainly can be a mental health issue but some people have 'simply' ended it all after an isolated incident that they felt they could not cope with.
   
   A key, I think, is having some kind of network or support system where you feel truly cared about - often it is a long road before someone feels despondent and isolated enough to make a real attempt.
   
   Good luck in your pursuits & I hope you are able to help depressed folks out.

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   cashmereposted 15 years ago

   It is worth living under ant circumstances - is what my dad says. So I guess it is just a call for help. I don't think anyone really wants to die if they are healthy enough.

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      Lady Guinevereposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      You are mislead to thinking that.  Most persons who commit suicide aly out their plans on how they are going to do it and it could be fore months.
      
      Go out and get the movie and get acquainted with the whole subject.  Knowledge is good.
      "The Bridge"
      I also have a hub about other aspects that may be into play with these persons:  http://hubpages.com/hub/Walk-Ins--Wande … eeds-Oh-My

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   cindyvineposted 15 years ago

   I don't think suicide is a cry for help, it's a means to esacpe.  Attempting sucide when you have no intention of carrying it through, is a call for help.

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   LondonGirlposted 15 years ago

   It depends, I think.
   
   Suicide can be a perfectly rational, reasonable thing to do.

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   Lisa HWposted 15 years ago

   I did a piece on suicide for a newspaper years ago.  In some cases it's a call for help.  In other cases someone is so absolutely unable to stand the overwhelming pain (of whatever sort) all they want to do is die and get out of it. 
   
   Sometimes, though, someone who is really miserable and/or very angry may use alcohol and drugs; and although without those substances they would have had the "strength" to fight off the urge to "do something drastic", the substances get rid eliminate their inhibitions (and they do what they otherwise never would have done).
   
   Being physically and/or emotionally unbearably miserable is not necessarily a sign of mental illness.  In fact, even the person who resorts to the "call-for-help" approach may just feel desperate - rather than be mentally ill.  Someone who is extremely miserable would not generally be considered in "good mental health", but they wouldn't have to have mental illness either.  Some people don't necessarily want to die.  They just need to get out the anguish they're in - and there's a difference.

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   HealthCare Basicsposted 15 years ago

   In my line of work, I have seen many suicide attempts. I assume the "cry for help" comes from those who are unsuccessful intheir attempts. See it all the time in the hospital ER. Mostly, after calming down, they express deep emotional insults they just cannot seem to release. I think interventions may help at this stage. Those who actually do succeed in death are intent on the act, and even if able to intervene, may eventually succeed in time. Sorry to say.......

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   Everyday Miraclesposted 15 years ago

   Certain mental illnesses and MEDICATIONS can cause one to become suicidal.
   
   My cousin's husband committed suicide not long ago due to the effect of his pain medications.

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   HealthCare Basicsposted 15 years ago

   I believe the original post was simply asking if suicide was a cry for help or a determined act. I agree that there are many peripheral circles in which the act of suicide creates many emotions and impacts all who know the victim.
   
   Reality is that the larger portion of suicide attempts may be a cry for help. The call in the middle of the night with a crying recognizable voice saying "It's over. I can't take it any longer. I just wish I was dead." The victim is reaching out the best way they can at the time. The cause, who knows, maybe insecurity, internal conflicts that can't be rationalized. I believe that is the cry for help. The determined act is when the victim still may have all those missed perceptions but does not let anyone know. It is that person who no longer views his/her death as having any impact to anyone. Intervention might certainly help if only we are allowed/able to perseive that struggle.

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    Pete Maidaposted 15 years ago

    There are two types of people that attempt suicide.  People that are suffering from terminal illnesses by want it over quicker.  There is a real issue to deal with when it comes to their right for death with dignity.
    
    Other people are in grave distess and need help.  They have to somehow be shown the is a way out.  Drepession and related illnesses are very tough to fight.  I just hope more can be done.

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       LondonGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I agree. I think it's very important that people have the right to end their lives with ease and dignity.

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    Irene McManmanposted 15 years ago

    Suicide seems as a way out, the relief from something one cannot cope with any more, a last resort. It could be cry for help too, but it is possible to get really tired from many things in life, and from life itself, from enthusiasm and calls for survival.
    Christianly speaking, I don’t recall where in the Bible are the words against suicide? 
    I do think about suicide bombers quite often. It’s a different idea of suicide though…

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    kaleshwarposted 15 years ago

    Sometimes it may be a cry for help, but I think most of the time its just too much depression and you really can't see anything improving in the future, thus you try to stop it all.
    Possible things to do about it:
    Medically: Mainly check for mental health, the cause of depression and proceed from there.
    But I think what needs to be done is that the cause for depression found and removed, though believe me removing it can be very very difficult.
    It is also possible that it is some sort of a genetic disorder. I don't know if it has been looked into but looking at my family history I do feel it could be genetic.

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    wordscribe41posted 15 years ago

    I used to work on a suicide prevention hotline.  The ones to worry about are those who have a specific plan for carrying out the suicide and a time-line for when that will happen.

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