Who has worked with publisher's with no money down?

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  1. profile image49
    MrDSpadeposted 13 years ago

    If you have, give details about the process you went through. Alright for those who say they don't understand the question, I'm asking about the process you went thru publishing a book with no money down. Has anyone done this before?

    1. thisisoli profile image73
      thisisoliposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      You might need to be more specific!

      1. profile image49
        MrDSpadeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        If you don't have a answer don't respond....

        1. IzzyM profile image88
          IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Why can't I repsond when I don't understand the question?

        2. Rafini profile image71
          Rafiniposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Its a free website, I can respond if I want to, respond if I want to, respond if I want to

          (sorry, couldn't help it smile )

          1. profile image49
            MrDSpadeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Yeah i can see that..

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      ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I have to agree with above, can you not be more specific? It depends on the nature of your agreement. Ask yourself precisely what it is that your publisher is providing you with in return for their share of royalties.

      Are they promoting and marketing the book? Arranging the distribution? Doing the illustrations and formatting? The proofreading?

      That is where your "money down" is. They make a financial commitment to you in that respect. If this is your first book, it would make no sense whatsoever for them to pay you an advance (if this is what you are talking about) since their chances of a return are actually pretty slim. If they end up doing very well out of the project, and ask you to produce something else, then you will then be in a position to negotiate a golden handshake.

      Just my opinion. If you don't sell any books, then it is the publishers who take the hit. Never pay them any money, and everybody is sweet.

      Please also consider precisely what an 'advance' is. It is in fact an advance on your pay. If you sell enough books to make $10,000 for yourself, and you were given an advance of $10,000, then you had better hope that you hadn't spent the paycheque too quickly!

      1. blondepoet profile image65
        blondepoetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Hey Ryan I wouldn't mind a swig of what you are drinking, come on share ROFL. smile

    3. darkside profile image70
      darksideposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      No money down?

      That's the sort of deal you get if you are a writer who shows exceptional talent.

      Being a person who can misspell "poetry" as "peotry" I don't think that person is you.

      1. Pearldiver profile image70
        Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Would I share my knowledge with anyone with a negative attitude? (as demonstrated)..... Nope.. sorry
        I wish you luck, better spelling ability and better medication. smile
        Perhaps your 'creatures of the night' theme could be more original... or were you skimming off the success of twilight? hmm

      2. Marisa Wright profile image89
        Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Adele has explained it quite well.  If a real publisher (not an online publisher) has offered to publish your book with no money down, grab it with both hands.  Only an elite few ever get the opportunity.

        However, you have to be humble enough to work with their editor to polish your work and make it ready for publication. They will rarely, if ever, accept the work exactly as you wrote it.

        If you're talking about publishing online at a free site like Lulu.com, that's different.  They make their money by taking a commission on each sale.  They couldn't care less whether your book is any good, and they won't do anything to help you sell it.  Expect to sell 100 copies if you're really lucky.

      3. psycheskinner profile image83
        psycheskinnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        You don't pay a publisher, they pay you.

      4. Jael Turner profile image62
        Jael Turnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Read my hub "Confessions of an Indie Writer". It is the cheapest way I know of getting a book published...not promoted...just published.

    4. AdeleCosgroveBray profile image90
      AdeleCosgroveBrayposted 13 years ago

      Basically, there are two types of publishers - those who YOU PAY to publish your work, and those who PAY YOU for your work.

      Traditional publishing houses view all manuscripts as potential business propositions.  On reading any manuscript they will ask themselves:  Will this sell?  Is there a market for this kind of product?  Is this product of the kind which my company likes to handle?  Can this person write well, and do they have long-term investment potential?  Has this writer developed a strong web-presence, and have a pre-existing circle of potential buyers?

      Self-publishing houses also view all manuscripts as potential business propositions.  On receiving any manuscript they will care little or nothing for the product so long as the sender is willing to pay for their ambition of seeing it published.

      The difference of approach is surely obvious.

      If you wish to approach a traditional publisher, first make absolutely sure that your finished manuscript is as good as you can get it.  Have other people read it and find fault with it.  Make sure your MS is presented in a professional format.

      Join a writers group and/or take creative writing classes; learn your craft.  Research the market, and research the business. 

      There are many useful (and useless) sites freely available online.  However a very good starting point would be to read Stephen King's non-fiction book "On Writing" as this offers a lot of sound, useful information about how to go about developing a writing career.  The annual "Writers' & Artists' Yearbook" also offers sound advice plus lists of literary agents and publishers, and information about how to approach these.

      1. Rafini profile image71
        Rafiniposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Has this writer developed a strong web-presence

        Is this really important and what exactly would be expected?  I mean, I'm obviously on HubPages, but I'm also on MySpace, Facebook, shetoldme, and blogger.  Where else or what else should I be doing at this stage?  (I'm only 3 months in)

        1. Marisa Wright profile image89
          Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          If you're thinking of publishing a novel, then you need to be using your name on these sites, not a nickname.  Marisa Wright is not my real name but it's the name I plan to publish my novel under, if I ever get the %^&*@$% thing finished.  Google that name now, and you'll find quite a lot of the top pages are me, not some other Marisa Wright.  It also helps to have a signature image.

          That's web presence.

          1. Rafini profile image71
            Rafiniposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks Marisa.  Yeah!  That's what I'm working on. big_smile 

            Rafini is the name I want to publish under, so I'm good. big_smile

            A signature image....would that be your avatar?

            1. Marisa Wright profile image89
              Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              Rafini?  Just one name?  That's fine for a nickname but... I guess it depends what genre you're in.  I think some people find a single name mysterious, I just find it pretentious (as in, I'm so special I don't need another name).  You might want to test a few other reactions!

              Yes, my avatar. You want people to think of you as a real person, so it should be a photo.  Mine is a kind of halfway house because you can't see my face. 

              And by the way, if you're on Blogger, why don't you have a link to your blog on your profile?

              1. Rafini profile image71
                Rafiniposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Not just one name, lol, Rafini Loeshun. lol  At one time I thought of just the one name, but felt the way you do. (would it be accepted from a writer?? lol)

                Okay, I see I need to keep hunting for a good avatar! 

                Thanks for the reminder to link to my blog.  I don't actually visit there as often as I intended....I spend much more time here and don't really get the idea behind blogger much.  But, I'm going now to add the link. smile

    5. GusTheRedneck profile image61
      GusTheRedneckposted 13 years ago

      Some very nice people have provided kind and astute answers to your question, which, by the way, was without a "please" in the thing. Furthermore, your spelling would cause any sensible book printer to want to charge you double the usual...

    6. ytsenoh profile image79
      ytsenohposted 12 years ago

      You should never have to pay a publisher, that is, unless you plan to self-publish in which case, you have options of what to pay and who to pay it to.

    7. GusTheRedneck profile image61
      GusTheRedneckposted 12 years ago

      Hello everyone - and Hello to that "Pop-in-Jay" who asked the original question...

      I commend you responders, one and all, for having provided this arrogant and rather insulting, would-be-published-author with such polite and truly useful answers, many of which the person threw back at those who were trying to help him or her.

      Very rarely does such a "zero thank-you" ingrate appear here on Hubpages. My suggestion to that person would simply be, you seem to have little talent and zero gratitude, so why don't you zip on off to somewhere that other ingrates gather and where you can mock one another with the zeal you have displayed here on this thread?

      Not once did we see a single "thank you" in anything that this character wrote, either in the original question or in any reply. What a loser! Maybe that should be spelled with all double letters, like ll oo ss ee rr.

      Gus :-)


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