When will America wake up to the threat of ISIS and the attack on our homeland? Over 50 people have been killed. Will the White House finally recognize the real threat? And call it by its name? Extreme Islamic terrorist. Will the LGBT community stand up and condemn the radical Islamic groups that are targeting them because of their sexual orientation? What should the US government respond to this declaration of war?
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Order of responsibility -
3. NSA (for failing to detect the threat)
4. Obama Administration (for failing to stop ISIS back in 2014)
5. Family and friends of shooter for failing to report him and put him is hospital for insane.
ISIS kills homosexuals by throwing them off roofs, Saudis and Iranians by hanging, this was just outside of the West's legal system - but we risk it becoming common if we cede authority to Shariah law.
Everyone is responsible - especially those who are pointing fingers and not taking responsiblity for themselves; such as voting for George Jr. who originated the most recent 'hate' for Americans when Saddam didn't have any WMD - among other things...
That is ridiculous. If we are all responsible then no one is responsible. Don't you see the fallacy of your statement?
Yet if the shooter was a closet homosexual, as it has been thought in media - the promotion of LGBT as perverts/sinners by others wld have fed his self-loathing + hatred of gays. Which is not a solely Islam or even religious stance. Bears thinkin on.
He was another Islamic dog that didn't get leashed up in time. He was on the FBI watch list as well as his masque. Hillary told the FBI to stand down and not do their job and then Orlando happened.
FBI detected the threat, but their hands are tied by this Administration, which adamantly protects the Muslim community from interference or prosecution regardless of how obvious their intent and sypmathies may be.
MENTAL HEALTH & STILL NO one is talking about how America has very little Mental health - its easier to get pot, herion or crack then it is to see a shrink.......Mental Health - "Your thoughts become your words, your words become your actions"
No one is claiming the whole of Islam is at fault. However, if we don't identify the problem by name, how are we to defeat it? Calling it an "act of terror" says nothing about who is behind this. I hope you see the distinction.
So, r u going to call out the Christian pastors who are celebrating the fact 50 gay people were killed? Call out extremists, Islam + Christianity both - don't divide. He made his choice - he hated us 4 religious reasons, but he Is at fault.
There are no Christian pastors who are celebrating the fact 50gay people died.Why do you defend your self with lies, when you use a straw man to argue against that demonstrates immediately you cannot admit you're wrong or be reasoned with .
Interesting response wasnt it Taze?
Taze - Pastor Steven Anderson, Pat Roberston, + WBC have all spoken/tweeted their joy. Which is why I called it out becus if u blame 1 faith, u can't ignore the celebration of the other for the act commitd. Extremists of any faith r dangerous.
Jacqui, but some are more dangerous than others... Don't make the moral equivalence argument.
Jacqui, again you LIE. Give me one link that demonstrates what you just said, cite a source we can read, in context, of any Christian tweeting or otherwise saying what you allege...you can't or you would have already- you lie unashamedly.
Here is the link Jacqui was mentioning of Pastor Anderson saying the victim should have been killed by righteous gov't & more
Pastor Steven Anderson is a false Christian not worthy of the name pastor.His teachings are not supported by true Christianity.Citing him is worse than saying Bin Laden speaks for all Islam.His views are not Christian.What did Pat Robertson say?
Why is it worse? Because it affects you personally?
Pat's quote hs bn found 2 b false 2day.
neva said example of all Xtians.
Pleas refrain from slander - I Neva lied.
J you did lie,&are a liar.about Pat Robertson http://www.snopes.com/pat-robertson-orlando-shooti... U &James are equating a couple crazies parading as Christians with an Islamic ideology of millions of people with whom we are at war.INSANE
Just bcus u don't like what Steven Anderson says doesn't make him not a Xtian. Pat I admited I had found was false the day I fnd out. U go @ me 4 'generalising' which if U read my answr I NEVA did, yet generalise all Muslims in the actions of a few.
I never said he wasn't a christian because I don't like him.So besides lying you now put words in my mouth.U r pathetic.The Bible is the measure of Christianity anyone who knows the Bible knows he's a false teacher as is the Westboro cult.
Taze - u say I can't be reasoned with, yet you've not proven I lied. Your link to snopes came AFTER I said Pats quote had been found false.
Both Steven and WBC claim biblical backing. Never said they were examples of all Christians. Quit slanderin
On the 14th you posted Pat Robertson tweeted without ever researching it, Snopes was posted on the 12th before you slandered Robertson.Keep on lying,you make my case.What you posted was a known falsehood immediately not just by snopes
When I heard it originally + posted it, I genuinely believed 2 b true. as SOON As I found it wasn't - I admited it,Neva lied.
Pls tell me where I say all Christians r like Steve + WBC tho - cus u accuse me falsely AGAIN.
Cn we gt bk 2 topic of ?.
@ Don't Taze me: please don't put words in my mouth. You said, "U &James are equating a couple crazies parading as Christians." I only pointed out and put a link supporting the statement about Pastor Anderson and no one else. So there is no "cou
James, you stuck your nose in our conversation.Why would you do that unless you had a fox in the hunt & instead of siding with the truth which was my side you chose to provide support for J, the liar, Anderson doesn't represent Christianity
This is a "discussion board" were all can discuss and add their two cents. As for your dismissing a Christian Pastor for being Christian- see link below
I didn't say u shouldn't post,what I pointed out was ur reason to jump in.See u two twist everything I say to mean something i never said,that's deceptive &that poll.has nothing to do with the discussion.No surprise either if u know Islam.
First off you said "our" discussion, which shows possession as if another cannot enter into it. Therefore there is no twisting of any words. Let's just let it go. This is tiresome.
James let this go. You made your point and proved it out with facts. If someone has ingrained ideas then all the facts in the world will not change them. Funny Tazed says you twist words &then makes unsubstantiated inferences on your posts.
Extremist Amish don't hurt anyone, and neither do radical Buddhists who strive literally never to hurt a fly. It is the extreme fundamentalist Muslims who are killing people, including secular Muslims.
Ten Muslim nations have a death penalty for homosexuality. Dozens more outlaw it. Yes, it IS the ideology that they follow that drives these atrocities.
You are making excuses for this administration. When the IRA was bombing civilians, we called them the Irish Republican Army. When the SLA was doing its terrorist bombs, we called it by name. Why the reluctance by Obama to call this the Islamic..?
Jack,cause he feels terrorists aren't responsible.Listen to what he says"guns LET someone shoot people".The guns(or avideo)are responsible for terrorism,crimes,not people.The guns control the shooter,we have to control the guns.A SICK MAN.
I've been at several vigils with Muslim people attending, and Muslim communities across the globe have condemned it. Where is your source? And how can you say no other religion attacks LGBT people when hundreds have been hurt by Christians this year
All the power to the ones that condemn this, but I was talking on a global scale. Ex: Al'Azhar university refused to reject ISIS as a group that is against Muslim doctrine, essentialy saying that what ISIS done is condoned under muslim law.
Not the whole government. Just the ones (mostly Republicans) who opposed a bill that would have denied weapons to suspected terrorists because that's what the NRA wanted?
Joan, the shooter was already on their list, he was interviewed 3 times by the FBI, he passed all the checks to obtain a gun legally nothing Republicans could have done prior to this would have stopped him, he wasn't on the no fly list,
Good commentary. By all means, write a hub on this topic. The story deserves to be told.
The Koran calls for death to homosexuals, the Orlando shooter obeyed, ISIS kills them, Iran hangs them, 30+ Muslim nations jail them. Yes, the problem is Islam.
I finally got around to making the hub looking at the shooter's life, problems and the consequences of his actions. Here it is, https://hubpages.com/politics/Orlando-and-Beyond.
We know their background checks don't work - see the San Bernadino shooters.
This man was a security officer. Of course it was easy for him to get weapons. He'd already been vetted.
Former co-workers had complained about him, including about his views on gays. They weren't addressed because he was Muslim.
Yes, I agree but I am baffled by our FBI and NSA who has all these surveillances placed on the American public and yet, they were not able to prevent this attack and 13 other terrorist attacks on the homeland post 9/11. Why is that? What is wrong?
Aime,so you are for equality of sexual orientation? I suppose you feel pedophiles should have the same equality too?They are targeted"every single day",like homosexuality was once a crime their sexual preference still is.Equality,what say u?
I don't think I can respond in much seriousness to someone who compares homosexuality to pedophilia. But yes, I am for full equality of homosexuals and heterosexuals. Why the hell wouldn't I be?
Christians who say I don't want to make a wedding cake I find blasphemy is NOT anywhere close to Islam's homosexuality is a sin kill them for it. Equating the two is in itself an immoral comparison.
So it's okay to discriminate against a minority as long as you don't kill them? I'm not saying that all discrimation is equal, I'm saying it's all harmful and it all helps to encourage the extremists.
I've found a lot of people who were anti-LGBT + Anti-Islam seem to want us LGBT to suddenly jump on the Anti-Islam bandwagon with them like they'd never been anti-LGBT in the 1st place. I agree with u that it's gross 2 use this tragedy in such a way
His mosque was teaching this stuff, so yes, his actions were per Islam
Hate imam preached executing gays at Orlando mosque before massacre
There are macheted Muslim mobs killing atheists in Pakistan, Christians in Egypt, beheading police in the EU. Banning guns doesn't stop those whose ideology says to kill you from doing so.
He said nothing about banning guns. The problem is lax laws allowing mentally unstable people to buy assault rifles and shoot 100+ innocent victims in a matter of minutes.
I disagree with your assessment of ISIS. You seem to think all adminstrations are equal in dealing with external threats. That is simply not true. Why have elections? The fact is ISIS could have been stopped 2 years ago and Obama choose to contain..
I do not think all administrations are equal and never said that. In fact I went out of my way to say the leaders had "different" styles, political affiliations, military and educations backgrounds. However, none were able to fully stop terrorism
Why were none able to stop it? Because no administration has the backbone to ignore political correctness and do what needs to be done. We stopped Japanese terrorism to end WW2, It took the H-bomb which wasn't considered PC even then.
Actually, read up on the new thesis on why Japan gave up. They were actually going to continue fighting after the H Bomb, until they learn the Soviets were going to invade afterwards. The surrender with agreement for PC protection ended the war.
Yeah they were going to continue after the first H bomb,the second 1 was the convincer, not the Russians.What propaganda have you been reading? Give me a link.To say they were scared of the Russians & not the H-bomb is freaking ludicrous
No propoganda, remember when the war ended what occurred. The Soviet influence controlled Eastern Europe and historians saw they had eyes on Japan. Bombs don't end wars, treaties and the victors negotiating the spoils do.
Tell me please how Obama could have stopped ISIS 2 years ago?
No treaty ended the war, it was ended by Japan's unconditional surrender because of the H-bomb,not just any bombs.
Annie,u need to pay attention,all BO's generals &advisers have said if a residual force was left in IRAQ,there be no ISIS.
Ok, Guess I will ignore the Treaty of San Francisco also know as the Treaty of Peace with Japan and the Paris Peace Treaties after WWII, as well as the tribunals which took a while which led to the treaties.
Don't Taze Me, I see you got your history out of a Cracker Jack box. Fact: Japan's infrastructure and supply line were already destroyed. Truman is as much a war criminal as any Nazi. Now give us another stupid uneducated opinion Archie.
James,when Ron is on your side it guarantees u wrong.Just a day after the bombing of Nagasaki,Japan submits its acquiescence to the Potsdam Conference terms of unconditional surrender,Truman orders a halt to atomic bombing.Treaty came later
The Potsdam occurred on July 26 1945, with the Allies dictating to Japan terms of surrender. Japan countered with Mokusatsu (or to kill with silence) i.e. ignored it. Japan never agreed to this and so was later bombed. You have your dates mixed up.
DTM, It's not a matter of being on someone's side. It's a matter of comprehending the historical record from various perspectives and then reaching an informed conclusion. While you're unemployed and hanging out at the trailer park, do some research.
Wrong again John,it happened exactly as I said,I cut and pasted that in from the historical source.You think they just said OK let's end this war,gimme a treaty?Wars end when the enemy is defeated.&losers,like Ron,know nothingbut2name call.
James and Ronnie you will never convince someone who has their mind made up. Fighting continued after the bombing and "so called surrender" until the Treaty of San Fan. You are right. Japan and Russia fought til Soviet-Japan Declaration of 56
So you are saying the bombs had nothing to do with ending the war, Japan never surrendered unconditionally on August 10,1945 as I stated http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/japan-a...
Taze: No one is saying that any act of the war does not help lead to its end. The other posters are just being more accurate than you by not stopping at 8.10.45 but incorporating all actions of the war. Really, at this point y'all should let it go.
This only sheds new light on the issue at hand. The average American lives in a fantasy land of good guys and bad guys. They don't even know their own history. Yet they will not hesitate to throw gasoline on a fire.
Kordell,maybe u should read Jame's comments before saying "no one is sayin".James said just that.U r a little late to the game.Read his comments, you agree with his take?I quote"The surrender with agreement for PC protection ended the war"?
What has the H-bomb to do with mass shootings?
Mass shootings could have stopped ages ago. Simple scrap the second amendment and the number of mass shootings will drop significantly.
P,another liberal jumping in without reading what triggered this comment string.As usual ur comment tells more about u than what u say.Like Ron,bigoted against people living in trailers,when native Americans(like him)rknown4livingin tparks!
Still no sign of intelligent life. And what crystal ball did you use to falsely determine that I am a Native American ... Einstein. Furthermore, I did not imply a negative toward trailer parks. That is your misinterpretation. Read and learn.
Native?I seem to remember you making that claim in hate comments you've made railing on America for what they did to your ancestors.You personally attacked me & implied I was trailer trash.Even u can't be so stupid as to pretend you didn't.
the h-bomb and its politics is something completely different then a mass shooting in a gay and lesbian club.
My ancestors were not Native Americans.That would not be possible. I implied nothing. I cannot account for your low self-esteem. Over 50 were murdered and you want to nuke the entire Muslim world. How will you feel when the tally is 100 million?
Where did I say nuke the Muslim world?Yeah ur not on drugs.U have to make up what I said to pretend u win?I'm having a civil disagreement in comments when a couple liberals appear with nothing but personal attacks.THAT'S what a troll does
Civil Disagreement?? You said james got his history from a cracker jack box; called Ron a loser; refer to someone as typical liberal as if it were a pejorative in just this thread. You are overly emotional and prone to name calling yourself
Remember your comment on my post: "Wow, and I thought radical Islamists were off their rocker but I think your answer makes them look almost sane." But now you cry foul. Reminds me of Donald Trump throwing stones and then whining on the return.
Thanks Kordell for demonstrating how you guys lie.Ron made the crakerjack comment, & I was having a civil discussion until you guys showed up with personal attacks exactly like that.For what?Everything I said was fact from beginning..
"We stopped Japanese terrorism....H-bomb"
With this sentence Taze you implied to do the same with Isis terrorism.
I reacted on this with saying that the H-bomb is not the same as Mass-shootings. The Japs where no terrorists but it was war.
Pu take sentence out of context.I answered James Q"Why were none able to stop it?cause no administration has the backbone to ignore pc & do what needs to be done."then gave example where what needed to be done was,that's all,u read into it.
Taze, the problem arises when you said "we stopped Japanese terrorism" with an H-Bomb. There was no such thing as Japanese Terrorism.
James talks about the H-Bomb to illustrate that it's impossible to eliminate terrorism because it's global,
P was't what our discourse was about,what goes in ur head is not=to what's comin out & what does that have to do with the FACT I never said to use the"bomb" I said no 1 has the backbone 2 do what needs be done which doesn't just mean nukes.
DTMB, Regardless, your solution to the problem is more killing. World government's have been killing since before Adam and Steve. Precious Word: Killing don't work Archie. If so, then why still no peace?
Oh so now u switch from accusing me of something I never said to gee don't kill anyone?BTW yeah I said "Wow..."a true criticism of ur answer,no 1 commented on your answer but me because it was so ludicrous.That's what drugs do to ur brain.
Murder rates and armed robbery rates didn't go down after those laws were passed.
"Australian Institute of Criminology (AIC) reveals that the overall homicide rate in Australia has changed little over the past decade and actually dipped slightly after the 1997 gun buy-back program." - Snopes.com
"what the world has become"?You think this incident is what the world has become?If everyone has participated in what the world has become,this incident, I suppose everyone who ever lived is responsible?Tell me how have you participated?
By blaming society, you deny the individuals who acted responsibility while indirectly blaming the victims and totally uninvolved. And that is immoral. It is like blaming the battered wife for triggering him instead of the man for beating her.
This incident is not new. The world has been violent since the fall. If not one sort of violence, then another. Individuals in incidents like this one are responsible for their actions. There is a bigger picture, but I am not responsible for this.
Wow, and I thought radical Islamists were off their rocker but I think your answer makes them look almost sane.
Apparently it is beyond your grasp to make an intelligent reply, and so you resort to making childish insults. The Wizard of Oz was just a movie. Sorry 'bout that! You'll have to make do with what you've got.
Obviously you can't tell the difference between an intelligent reply &childish insults but that is to be expected from someone who thinks"ISIS" "AL QAEDA" etc, (etc.?) are functionaries of the US government.Voices in your head tell u this?
Still no sign of intelligent life. I suppose you also believe that Osama Bin Laden was killed as televised. Just curious. Do you also believe in the tooth fairy?
Bin Laden's death was televised?maybe on the planet u are from but not on earth.SO besides "ISIS"&"AL QAEDA" who are your "etceteras"? Really what other "simply functionaries of the US.gov'nm't."r there or don't voices in your head.know?lol
You have a problem with reading comprehension. I never said his death was televised.The voices in my head tell me that you will insist on having the last derogatory word. Also, that it won't be long before you are pushing up daisies. Hafa Adai !
Hard to tell what you mean, u don't even know what you meant by "etc."? Sounds like you meant every terrorist group in the world of which there are hundreds. My, my, the US gov't has really been at work creating "functionaries", Bad USA.
I'm an atheist so I don't agree but I thought I'd let you know left-wing-Nazi-hubpages is hiding your comment. NO ONE SHOULD BE SILENCED HUBPAGES! QUIT ERODING FREE SPEECH ON THE INTERNET!
No amount of gun control laws will stop terrorist or criminals from these shootings.
Obviously.But Obama says we can make it harder for"someone to get their hands on a weapon that lets them shoot people"What do u think he means by that?Isn't he blaming Orlando on America for not making it harder?He just lovesAmericadoesn't he.
It is clear to all thinking Americans that Obama's war on terrorism is a big failure. His policy of appeasement, leading from behind, and containment of ISIS is not working. His spying on all Americans instead of profiling is also not working.
You can't tame a rattlesnake and that is exactly what Obama has tried to do. It is a rattlesnake's nature to bite and given the opportunity that is what they will do.
Well said in so few words Jack, it is clear to all thinking Americans. But then it is also clear that when Obama has a better than 50% approval rating the majority of Americans are not "thinking Americans". Welcome to the Obama Zombie Apocalypse.
I stopped trusting those polls long ago. Obama's approval rating is as good as the phony 4.7% unemployment rate...
You can't win a war when you can't name the enemy. And blaming "extremists" lets him lump the Tea Party in with Muslim fundamentalists killing people.
OMG This morning my hammer just let me hit my thumb, bad hammer. Could Obama be right? inanimate things are controlling us? Hackers should know their computers might be letting them break the law, bad computers. Is he a sick man?
I'm glad the president waited. More information is now out that the shooter may have been closeted gay. Possible motivation for ISIS pledge was to trick those easy to be fooled into making him a martyr for a cause instead of troubled identify issues.
KS,U make no sense at all.His father was a Taliban sympathizer, ISIS has already claimed responsibility,closeted gay people (?really?in gay bars,even his wife knew he was gay)don't commit mass murder because of of troubled identify issues.