Illinois Dems violate flag code on Independence Day.

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   JSChamsposted 12 years ago

   Here's the story:
   
   http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government … ndence-Day
   
   Are we really surprised given the President and First Lady had already publicly shown their derision for the flag?

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      JaxsonRaineposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The American Bumper-Flag!
      
      I was a boy scout, and developed a strong sense of patriotism at a young age. Now, seeing elected officials not show respect for the flag just drives me crazy.

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         JSChamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Well I have already been informed in another forum that we place too much importance on flags.

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            JaxsonRaineposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Yeah, I've heard that before, but the simple fact is that the flag is a symbol. How you feel about the symbol is how you feel about the thing.
            
            Another simple fact is that when people stop caring about or being proud of their country, they lose control of it.

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               JSChamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Oh I agree. Did you ever see the video of Barack and Michelle discussing a flag ceremony when they didn't know they were being taped?
               
               Check it out:
               
               http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJgWMI0hch8

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         Onusonusposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I was a scout and they taught me some basics about the flag that have stuck with me through my life, especially the way it should be folded. I always cringe when I see Navy guys screwing that one up at work.

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            JaxsonRaineposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Yeah, I know. I was never taught 'You shouldn't use the flag as a bumper on your car' in scouts, but I can still tell that it's the wrong thing to do.
            
            Not that it surprises me, respect is disappearing.

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      Josakposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      This is seriously the dumbest thing I have read today, I get respecting the flag but following a set of obscure rules has nothing to do with patriotism I didn't even know about the glad being draped over the vehicle rule, there was obviously no harm or disrespect intended and an effort was made to fix it when they found out, no big deal.

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         JaxsonRaineposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Come on. Yes, there are obscure rules, but taping the flag to your bumper? Have some common sense. I knew how to treat the flag with respect when I was 7.
         
         Maybe if you loved America more you would care more about its symbols.

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            Josakposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            HAHAHA that's a very even measure isn't it? it's completely meaningless as to how much you like America, it's the kind of blind patriotism that has led to so many evil acts in the name of a country. Patriotism is shown through acts and how one treats their fellow citizens not by blind wrote obedience of obscure rules.
            
            You have no idea how I feel about the US nor do you have ANY right to comment on it, a US backed government with US support and operatives killed my entire family and most of my best friends even my adopted father was tortured by being strapped to a steel bed and electrocuted for so long that the grill marks of the bed were still on his back when he died decades later and he had to learn to walk all over again, that was done by a CIA agent. His fiance was kidnapped, gang raped for weeks, tortured and then drowned in a barrel of human feces, then her body was dumped from a helicopter at sea so her family would never have a chance to bury her properly, that was done with the aid of several American operatives, and it was done because she was handing out anti governemnt leaflets.
            
            I forgave the US for all that and moved here to be with my wife, I had a family here and I pay my taxes, I have every reason to hate this country and I don't, I love it and it's people, that is what makes a good citizen, in fact it makes me a better American then you will ever be.

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               Will Apseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Every country has its share of evil. The US has a better record of checking the worst abuses than most but whenever this 'my country right or wrong' attitude gains ascendancy, evil is rampant.
               
               I am saddened to hear of your experiences.

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               Manly Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Just curious, where did you live before coming to the U.S.?

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      Quilligrapherposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Hi there, JSC. Great link! Thanks for posting.
      
      Ignorance about flag courtesy is hardly treason and the OP statement comes across as a petty jab at what is certainly not intentional disrespect. But, ignorance is not limited to Democrats, JSC, is it? Take, for example, the Texas Republican Party's 2012 Platform approved and adapted in Fort Worth on June 8, 2012. On page 13, under “Educating our Children,” the Texas GOP attacks the teaching of critical thinking skills. “We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.” (1)
      
      It seems, in Texas, Republicans favor dumbing down students. This position is being taken at a time when a national science assessment suggests that most U.S. students struggle with the reasoning skills needed to investigate multiple variables, make strategic decisions, and explain experimental results. (2)
      
      I think this country would be better off if all students knew more about flag etiquette and a lot more about analytical thinking. What do you think?
      
      (1) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/2 … 32097.html
      (2) http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsid … tml?ref=hp

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         JSChamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks for the info:
         
         You  know I have been taken to task for using sites like The Blaze for links.
         I feel the same way about the Huffington Post.

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            Quilligrapherposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Hi again, JSC. I am somewhat confused by your reply. 
            
            I did not mention The Blaze and The Huffington Post did not come out against teaching critical thinking in Texas schools. (1) The quotation opposing higher order thinking skills and similar programs was taken from page 12 of the Texas Republican Party's 2012 Platform approved and adapted at the state convention in Fort Worth on June 8, 2012.
            
            I wanted to provide other links to media outlets with a conservative bent but I could not find one that covered the story.
            
            (1) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/2 … 32097.html

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               JSChamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               What does that have to do with my forum?

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      twosheds1posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      You're also not supposed to fly it after dark, but that doesn't stop the vast majority of flag-displayers. But perhaps if we gave up the flag fetish people wouldn't feel compelled to violate flag etiquette.

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   bn9900posted 12 years ago

   Im originally from Illinois and honestly am not surprised.  Democrats violate everything.

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      Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The Republicans are not any better.

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   knolyourselfposted 12 years ago

   I remember when the Democratic Party actually represented the people. They displayed no flags. The flag was always the Republican Party, like flags every twenty feet on used car lots. I have noticed the more the flag is displayed, like lapels and whatnot, the more fascist the country becomes. Kind of like the bible, heaven or hell.

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      JSChamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Oh....
      So burning them all would be a good idea???

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      Ralph Deedsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Very true.

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      Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      14 Steps to Fascism
      
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke9WfWoSKlc

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         JSChamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         You know it has nothing to do with a desire to see flags everywhere.. it has to do with respect, which apparently no one here right or left any longer has.

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            Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I maintain a U.S. flag on private property, it is actually a big responsibility.  I pull it down every night and run out there in the rain to do the same.
            
            My vid post was just to show that this nation is heading down the fascist path!

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            Wizard Of Whimsyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Your assumptions are just incorrect.  I'm a veteran and I display the American flag proudly on all of the appropriate days.  Nevertheless, there have been awful things done under this banner and not everyone feels nationalistic jingoism has anything to do with wanting to keep America from making those same mistakes. 
            
            Stop the simplistic assumptions and you might grow in your awareness.

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               JSChamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Ah.....you know I myself am a veteran an display the flag.
               
               Am i supposed to be ashamed of my country?

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                  Wizard Of Whimsyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  No, that's not what I implied.  You can be proud of your country when it does good and still be critical of it when it doesn't.  You can love it and support it, but you can't mindlessly accept all of its actions as just and good just  because you love it. In fact, if you love it you should strive to improve it.
                  
                  It's not either you  love it or you hate it.

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   knolyourselfposted 12 years ago

   Personally I am glad the flag does not tell me how to think. If it did I would have loved the Nazi flag.

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   colpolbearposted 12 years ago

   As an Eagle Scout, I've been a part of numerous parades and ceremonies involving the flag.  I have always been surprised at one specific observation:  veterans mishandle the flag all the time.  Of course, they do not mean to do it, but it still happens.  My point is that as long as a person's intentions and actions are good, they should be able to make a few unintentional and harmless mistakes.  Just as a veteran mishandling the flag does not negate his service, a politician mishandling does not negate his policies and resume.

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      Ron Montgomeryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      A very thoughtful, even handed response....
      
      Now get out of here!!! 

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   SpanStarposted 12 years ago

   I can understand the symbolism of patriotism and pride regarding those elements or emblems which reflects how a country, nation views itself. Yet and still the symbol such as the flag is a reflection of the people.
   
   We concern ourselves about this or about that regarding the flag when I see a lack of patriotism on American's roadways. Tailgating Americans down the road, road rage on the roads, acting like the ugly American at having to wait in line, complaining of political figures while doing nothing else.
   
   If the American flag is to have a place of pride in our country than those of us who live under that flag should be providing the status that makes the statement for all to see why this flag is so endearing to it people.

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   bn9900posted 12 years ago

   Why do you feel that way about Huffington Post?  I couldn't find "the blaze" you are speaking of? If it anything like the Huffington, then you shouldn't have a problem with Huffington as they are both the same.  I feel that the only conservative news TRUE conservative news is on the web any more. I can't trust mainstream Media as that is 100% liberal spin and cater to the liberal agenda, maybe that is why you had a problem, because people are just tired the liberal fodder thats being put out over the airwaves.
   Media is so lopsided it's plain scary, and when Obama tells a business to turn off Fox News, the only conservative network, then it tells me that he doesn't want to hear the truth. If it had been CNN obama would not have said word one.

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      MelissaBarrettposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      There really shouldn't be a conservative news and a liberal news.  The fact that you acknowledge such a difference yet still consider one side to be "true" indicates that you likely are being propagandized willingly.  True news shouldn't have an opinion.

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   junksellerposted 12 years ago

   

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      bn9900posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Wonder if that was a misstep or planned?

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         JSChamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Ever hear of Photoshop?

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            junksellerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Ever hear of Getty Images?
            http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news- … o/97346832
            
            

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   bn9900posted 12 years ago

   You are correct there shouldn't be a bias one way or another, but  there is.  I never said that I believe, one side or another, (media wise)I just said that there is no decent conservative news on mainstream media.  If only CNN would be non bias, I would believe them more, but because I do not, and I do not trust FOX either, then I have to go online.  And if I watch CNN then Huffington post is the other I have to read.
   I am not being "propagandized willingly" I have my own feelings, and do lean towards conservative thoughts, always have, even as a child.

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    junksellerposted 12 years ago

    Here's another classic:
    
    

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    phionposted 12 years ago

    This picture of Sarah is definitely more repulsive than the types of images gathered from OWS.

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    bn9900posted 12 years ago

    What do you think of american flag bikini clad women then?

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       bn9900posted 12 years agoin reply to this

       
       
       Need I say more?

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          JaxsonRaineposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Whoa, I thought that was just a photoshop job...
          
          That definitely takes the cake. My favorite part of the story is this:
          
          "It leads me to believe that it's not about the flag," she told FoxNews.com. "Certain elements cannot accept Barack Obama as president."
          
          Yeah, I'm sure racism is the only reason anyone would be upset with putting someone's face on the flag and displaying it. Heck, that's why all us white folk have been flying Bush flags for the last 4 years...

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             Josakposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             

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                JaxsonRaineposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                And what exactly is that supposed to be? That's not an actual flag.

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             bn9900posted 12 years agoin reply to this

             flying "bush" flags never seen one of those care to post a pic?

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                JaxsonRaineposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                I haven't either, I was being sarcastic.

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          junksellerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          

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             JaxsonRaineposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             Yup, that's a stupid thing to do too.

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    Wayne Brownposted 12 years ago

    The lower flag says it all, sadly.

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       bn9900posted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Agreed  notice how we don't see this on the news?  Thats because the liberal media is covering up for obama and the Democrats.

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    MelissaBarrettposted 12 years ago

    This has downgraded to possibly the dumbest argument I've ever seen on these boards... so here is a woman in a bikini to top it off...
    
    I wonder whether she is a liberal or a conservative... I'm sure either way it's fine for her to have part of the flag barely covering her crotch.
    
    

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       Manly Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Works for me!
       
       

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    bn9900posted 12 years ago

    Melissa-I only even brought that up because Sarah Palin was only leaning on it and there was a big stink about it, so I was just curious about what people would think about the flag bikini clad women, since the flag is only touching her womanly parts.

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    Wizard Of Whimsyposted 12 years ago

    Petty thoughts occupy petty minds.
    
    

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       bn9900posted 12 years agoin reply to this

       I wonder how many americans these companies employ , Millions I assume

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          Wizard Of Whimsyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          And I wonder how many people in the world they exploit—billions I would assume.

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    Wizard Of Whimsyposted 12 years ago

    The Cowardly Lions of Free Speech . . .
    
    http://billmoyers.com/segment/bill-moye … ee-speech/

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       Quilligrapherposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       http://billmoyers.com/segment/bill-moye … ee-speech/
       A great link, Wiz. Thanks for sharing it with us.
       Q.

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          Wizard Of Whimsyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          

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