A view of the hypocrisy of the left. Denise Rich.

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   JSChamsposted 10 years ago

   Here's the story:
   
   http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/20 … tizenship/
   
   Here we have the wife of Marc Rich who was pardoned in the last hours of the Clinton presidency. A known tax cheat, his wife has now dropped her citizenship, as have some other wealthy liberals, to avoid her President's taxes.
   The wealthiest are the hypocritical liberals.

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      Josakposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      So wait you are taking the misdeeds of one person and expanding them to the whole left? I swear it was less than an hour ago you where whining that people were equivocating conservatives with racists because some conservatives are racist... Wow I think the notable hypocrisy here is yours (and also hers because seriously that is low move)

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         JSChamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         She's not the only one Josak. The only reporting has been on the notable ones.

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            MelissaBarrettposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            And unless you can prove that ALL liberals are like this then Josak is correct.  In light of your previous posts these posts are indeed hypocritical... On the bright side even without the former posts they would be stereotypical and bigoted.
            
            Well played oh persecuted one.  Well played.

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               JSChamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               Ok.....these guys bail and I am being hypocritical?????????????
               Sorry folks if those were CEO's or something their would be howls of anger and you know it.

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                  MelissaBarrettposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  Um... yes.  Your statements are hypocritical.  When you complain about the treatment of a group to which you belong then turn around and treat another group the same way then that is pretty much the textbook definition of hypocritical.
                  
                  Sorry.

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                     JSChamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     I didn't say they were all doing that.

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                     JSChamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     Melissa if that was a group of Republican donators or CEO's or the like it would be on front pages and MSNBC tonight. They would be called every kind of creep for not wanting to pay higher taxes. Tell me with a straight face and a clear conscience that is not so.

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                        Cody Hodgeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                        Actually, one of the founders of Facebook pulled this same tactic. He was called a traitor for doing so. I'm not sure what his personal political affiliation was, but I can't imagine the founders of Facebook being members of the GOP.

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                        MelissaBarrettposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                        Sure... as soon as you prove every liberal is like that.  Which is the point that I am making.  You can try to move away from the fact that your statements are hypocritical but I've got teenagers.  I know diversion by righteous indignation when I see it.

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                           JSChamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                           Melissa.....where did I say ALL were like that?
                           I showed wealthy liberals doing that...and not all of them right?

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      Ralph Deedsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      You're overlooking Romney's Cayman, Swiss, and Bermuda accounts, and his $101 million IRA. How did Romney's IRA get so big??? Where are his tax returns? What's he hiding?
      
      http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/ … 4E20120124

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         JSChamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Ralph.....Mitt didn't renounce his citizenship to get away now did he?
         But of course that does not matter does it?

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      Cagsilposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Yet again, another thread about one side calling out the other side and using wealth as the division tool.

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         JSChamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Ah yes Cagsil but these are the folks who proport to wish to pay more. Not leave the country in order not to.

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            Cagsilposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Are you talking about the people in the forums or are you talking about liberals in general?
            People leave and come in everyday and you're going to make a big deal out of this one person?

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               JSChamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               It's not just one.
               
               It's not all of them. Not like it would be if we were talking about Conservatives.
               
               They wish to tax the rich......all but themselves. So they leave.

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                  Cagsilposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes, a lot of people leave America and just as many come in. Which probably be one factor of why there's a huge gap in poverty and wealth.
                  I'm sure it's not.
                  And exactly what would you do if conservatives were doing the same thing? I'm not saying they are because I don't find it important enough to look into, but just for the sake of saying it.
                  This statement isn't worthy of a reply, I hope you do realize the ridiculousness of saying it.

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                     JSChamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     No understand me here.
                     Is not one of the liberal Democrat assertions that we must tax the rich?
                     So what does it look like if those same liberal Democrats begin leaving the country right as they know that larger taxation on the wealthy is imminent?

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                        Cagsilposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                        I understand you.
                        Yes, some have done so.
                        I guess it would mean they are not stupid about their money. The more wealth that leaves the country will only prove that government is actually ignorant. Not to mention, with more leaving and renouncing their citizenship, then the collective value of society will drop and the leveraging power the present government uses and depends on is going to collapse.
                        
                        On top of that, it will also prove beyond any shadow of any doubt that taxation was never the answer.

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                           JSChamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                           Yes. I agree. That taxation was never the answer. It is mathematically impossible for it to be.

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                     JSChamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     The reason I get like this on these events is I believe in the concept that the proof is in the pudding.
                     It goes for Republican or Democrat...Liberal or Conservative.
                     It has to do with their behavior in direct relation to what they say we must do and whether they follow what they say.
                     Example: Michelle Obama gives us dietary guidelines her and her husband do not openly follow.
                     Climate Change leaders scream about carbon footprint and jet all over the world when they could teleconference. Oh and they collect large sums unlikely to effect the climate.
                     
                     Just a couple of examples. So when people who claim the rich should be taxed more start sneaking out the back door I pay attention.

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                        Cagsilposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                        Yes, history is for lesson learning. Actions are the same way.
                        It should, yes.
                        There's no true leadership in office on either side. That's what citizens should truly be ashamed about and outraged about.

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                           JSChamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                           This is why when you see me debate on here I will more often talk about what these folks are actually doing or trying to actually bring about as opposed to all the onerous loads of numbers and graphs you are supposed to be amazed by.
                           If the people ain't doing it, it's bull.

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                              Cody Hodgeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                              You make it sound like those on the left want to tax the rich into oblivion. I believe it's more about the rich not being able to live off of investment income that causes them to pay less than those who live in the middle class.
                              
                              It's about large corporations not being able to get away with paying no income tax. Simply saying "they just want to tax the rich..." is a gross over simplification of the issue.

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                                 JSChamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                 Not really. Lot's of them think exactly that way.
                                 How much do you think the marginal tax rate on the wealthy would have to be raised in order to wipe out the deficit?

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                                    Cody Hodgeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                    It's not about wiping out the deficit. Its about closing loopholes in the system. Keep in mind that the highest tax rate was at one point 90 percent. That didn't stop growth in the past.

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                                       JSChamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                       So why is one of the big arguments that the deficit is so high because there is not enough tax revenue?

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                                          Cody Hodgeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                          Well, you're asking how high would the tax rate have to be in order to get rid of the deficit. Technically, a 100 percent tax rate on everybody wouldn't wipe out the deficit. You're probably trying to get me to say something along the lines of tax increases aren't the answer.
                                          
                                          So I'm going to cut you off right there before we can down a road that allows you to continue with your propaganda.
                                          
                                          Tax revenues are low. However, you want to claim that the left says "tax the rich" as if that's there comprehensive strategy. If you bother to look into what the Democrats want, you would see that the rich are simply being taxed at the same level that they were back in 2000.

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                                             Mighty Momposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                             Not to mention the fact that there is disagreement even within the party about who is "rich" and who should have their tax "relief" extended vs. sunsetted.
                                             Obama wants to extend the Bush era tax cuts for those making $250K and below.
                                             But the party elite (Ms. Nancy et al) want them extended for those under $1 million.
                                             
                                             Honestly, I don't know why we even bother talking about taxes for rich people (and corporations).
                                             If you're making anywhere like that kind of dough and you don't have a good accountant/tax attorney, you deserve to fork your earnings over to Uncle Sam.
                                             
                                             
                                             Surely there are more REAL issues we can focus on. Oh right. Divide and distract, distract and divide -- soyou can get stupid poor people to vote against their own best interests.
                                             
                                             

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                                                Cody Hodgeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                                You know what would be the easiest thing would be? Stop taxing income. Start taxing people a flat rate based on what they spend. One flat rate can apply to everyone. That way, you could put 100 percent of your income in the bank if you wanted to. There would be no exceptions to the rule.

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                                                   JSChamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                                   I could deal with that.

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                                                      Cody Hodgeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                                      Awww....maybe we CAN all live together

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                                                   Reality Bytesposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                                   
                                                   
                                                   Taxes on wages is not only immoral, it is theft.  When a human being uses his labor sweat and time to earn a wage, NOBODY has a right to expect some of it.  If the income is derived from investments, rents, etc...  than taxation is not a theft of a human's very life.
                                                   
                                                   Taxes should be voluntary,  if someone does not want to pay property tax, do not own property.

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                                                      Cagsilposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                                      +1

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   JSChamsposted 10 years ago

   http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=10100

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   Mighty Momposted 10 years ago

   Where does it say that this lady is or ever was a Democrat?
   The closest we get is that she is thought to have influenced her EX-husband's pardon by donating to the Clinton library.
   Where does it say she is renouncing her US citizenship specifically to avoid paying taxes?
   She handed over her passport in November.
   
   And from this flimsy argument you extrapolate to "all lefties are hypocrites."
   That's a wee bit of a stretch, mate.

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      JSChamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I said a view of the hypocrisy of the left...not all left.

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      JSChamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denise_Eisenberg_Rich

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