America not real target of Middle East rioting?

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   Mighty Momposted 12 years ago

   We've seen a lot of threads on the uprisings in Egypt and Libya that have spread throughout the Middle East/Asian Muslim population.
   There has been speculation: Is all this violence really about some schlocky, tasteless anti-Islam movie?
   Is it an indemnification of failed Obama administration polices?
   Did the US "apologize" thus inviting more attacks?
   
   Here's a view from FORBES magazine.
   It basically asserts it's not about the US. It's about dismal living conditions that have not changed sufficiently or sufficiently quickly after Arab Spring installed new leaders.
   
   If that's the "real" cause, I cannot help but see a parallel with US and the rabid disaffection with President Obama's ability to transform our lives quickly enough.
   True, Americans are not rioting in the streets. They are not storming buildings and destroying property.
   However, there's definitely an angry. angry, verbally violent mob mentality happening here.
   
   Agree? Disagree? Why?
   
   
   http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/20 … -they-are/

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      JSChamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      So they are killing US ambassadors and burning US flags from Libya to London because change hasn't happened quick enough?
      Why in the world would we swallow such obvious silliness?
      What are the people at the riots saying and doing and who is it directed towards? They didn't go storm there own governmental facilities they demolished the US embassy.
      Lewis Carroll might disagree but I think it's us that's the target.

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      Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I was reading something very similar myself just the other day:
      http://motherboard.vice.com/2012/9/10/w … orists-say
      
      Broadly, I agree. At least, there certainly appears to be some correlation between rioting and hunger. The situation is perhaps too complex to assert that just one factor is responsible for the unrest, but I'm sure hunger and poverty can be quite powerful drivers.

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         JSChamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         If they are hungry it still stands to reason they should be going after their own people who after all are strangling us with oil prices. There are hungry people here too.

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            Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Indeed there are, and if you read the link I've provided you'll see that theorists are suggesting global riots within the next 12 months, I doubt this is *just* going to be a Mid East issue.
            
            The banks have also profited handsomely from the food crisis.
            
            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin … 00011.html

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               JSChamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               You know I see hunger as a problem.
               That however is not what has been going on the past several days in the Middle East. If that's the case they have been dealing with hunger pangs since at least 1979 in various places over there and destroying American embassies and killing Americans must satiate them somehow. Don't you think?

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                  Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  That however is not what has been going on the past several days in the Middle East.
                  
                  How, exactly, do you know that is not at least part of what's going on in the Mid East? Arabs/Muslims are human beings just like us, the people that killed the US ambassador are extremists. People may have been hungry for decades, but recently they fought for some kind of freedom, and hope. It's not happened fast enough and they are frightened, largely uneducated and vulnerable to terrorists groups.
                  
                  How would you react? You're reacting now, clearly. Are you starving, have you lived in a totalitarian state? Are all 1.2 billion Muslims protesting? If you were a Muslim that didn't protest but heard the US calling you an animal, a misogynist, what would you do? How would you react? Do you think about this?

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                     JSChamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Lot's of assumptions there.
                     I never said 1.2 billion Muslims now did I?
                     Secondly you don't what i have ever done in my life, whether I have faced starvation or not.
                     Thirdly is there no act that the ones who do feel the need to do will ever be responsible for.
                     I mean we are The Great Satan after all. You believe that too don't you?

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      Shinkickerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Why blame Obama? This goes back decades, at least to the Israeli ethnic cleansing of Palestine in 1948, the destruction of democracy in Iran by the CIA and Mi6 in 1953 and most Presidents ever since have supported violent, repressive Arab regimes against their own people

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         Mighty Momposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         But it's not an Arab thing.
         The rioting goes well beyond the Arab world. Protests continue and are growing in Asia and North Africa, too.
         
         Just saw there's a new death threat out against Salman Rushdie who incited similar reaction with his book "The Satanic Verses."

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   taburkettposted 12 years ago

   The biased media will babble about anything to get the heat off the failure of current leadership.
   The truth is that failure at the top has led to this chaos.
   Otherwise, they would be attacking their own leaders and buildings not those of the USA.
   This chaos will only stop when we quit pandering the terrorists.
   By the way, terrorists do not have any trouble getting food and shelter - they steal it from those who do not riot.

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      Mighty Momposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Biased liberal media.
      The motto of Forbes magazine is "The Capitalist Tool."
      Hmmm.

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         Ralph Deedsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Maybe Forbes is liberal compared to ta??

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            Mighty Momposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I don't normally agree with syndicated columnist Kathleen Parker, but yesterday's column rang true.
            Lots of news coverage today on Romney campaign's claim that "This wouldn't have happened under President Romney."
            I'll find a clip of him being interviewed about Egypt. He sounds a lot like Sarah Palin claiming North Korea is our ally.
            
            
            Meanwhile, Kathleen Parker link + excerpt:
            http://lacrossetribune.com/news/opinion … 963f4.html
            
            "... Mitt Romney decided to enter the fray .... His comments condemning President Obama’s “apologist” foreign policy were premature, inappropriate and too politically motivated to be effective either as proper criticism or as a campaign maneuver.
            
            Romney’s foreign policy adviser, Rich Williamson, subsequently asserted that events would have been different under a President Romney. Perhaps, but might we use the same powers of extrapolation to infer that 9/11 wouldn’t have occurred if George W. Bush hadn’t been president?
            
            Obama critics have long held that his post-exceptionalist, lead-from-behind model only invites contempt in the Middle East.
            Since no policy thus far seems to have been very effective, we’ll have to rely on history for more information."

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      Ralph Deedsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      That's a very superficial comment. Both parties have recently supported the overthrow of dictators in the Middle East although in the name of stability both parties supported 
      U.S. aid and comfort to them in the past, especially Mubarak. Have you heard that differences over U.S. foreign policy stops at the water's edge? Apparently not.

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   Repairguy47posted 12 years ago

   Oh goody they're not mad at us I don't have to cancel my vacation to Libya! Jeeeeeeeeeesus

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   Teddletonmrposted 12 years ago

   Interesting argument, I wonder how much food stuff they were able to lute from the school, consulate and bodies of our fallen countrymen and women.

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   Reality Bytesposted 12 years ago

   Egypt Protesters Paid to Riot Embassy  SOURCE: CNN!
   
   
   http://youtu.be/xmoCoKkY-Rk

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      Teddletonmrposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Imagine that, someone actually paying folks to kill Americans. Soldiers for fortune, terrorist, or just poor starving people better yet all the above.

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      Mighty Momposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Hi RB,
      1. Wonder where that money trail stops?
      Hmm. Probably an offshore bank account somewhere. Untraceable.
      2. Did you notice in the column on the right there is a YouTube video urging people to burn the Q'ran -- a Q'ran burning contest.
      I am not going to post a link here and inadvertently increase traffic to the site.
      Dismaying.

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   Xenonlitposted 12 years ago

   Al Qaeda is notorious for exploiting any news headline or rumor to excuse their activity. I stopped taking that mess seriously two days ago.  My worry is the jihadists who are in America and who can't be found. How did we let that happen, post 911?

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   peoplepower73posted 12 years ago

   In my humble opinion, it is two fold.  It started out being about the movie which is just an excuse for them to riot about our preferential treatment of Israel compared to the Palestinians. Then it morphed into the movie being an insult to certain factions of the muslim world.  Don't forget, Islam is a world wide religion.  Therefore, the rioting is not confined just to the mid-eastern region, but has now spread world wide. Is the entire muslim world angry at Americans, I don't think so.  I think it is just certain radical factions.

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   knolyourselfposted 12 years ago

   Forbes - Ask a billionaire the reason for riots in middle east?

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      Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      And he'll be rubbing his hands together, on the way to deposit his loot into his off shore account.

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   50 Caliberposted 12 years ago

   I'm in the no news zone, no TV or phone, No news paper, just this box since 2008 so I'm a bit slow catching on to whats going on.
   Is this the movie in part:
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
   If so it's the stupidest production imaginable and the inter dubbing of words that are clearly not what the person appearing. I've heard that many who played part are claiming they didn't know they would have their lines changed with voice overs would not have taken part.
   I don't believe that to be truth, I believe they are trying to escape any blame for death in a riot no matter where the violence bursts to rampant killing.
   I do agree that it was an excuse in the beginning but is morphing into wholesale violence world wide with other issues, like hunger and other things that keep them a bit primitive, butt some one had to have a computer to see it.
   I'm glad to be out of the world for the most part, a trip to town every 3 months and I think my next trip will be to stock up for enough time to stick it out until February to see what the election brings.

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    Dame Scribeposted 12 years ago

    I think the nations that help with providing aid to these muslim nations - should cut off that aid we are not the one's going beyond our borders 'warring' against 'non-believers' or murdering their 'ambassadors'. I think it's time for us to get tough too and show that we don't appreciate the murder of our citizens nor accept blame, for their current state of affairs. I am so tired of their violence.

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       Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Good point.  Using the concepts of President Obama, these protesters did not form a protest on their own, United States foreign aid helped build the roads and bridges used to travel to the point of the protests!

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